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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #540 on: December 03, 2019, 12:35:36 AM »
It is incredible level design and has no frame problems on PS4 :yeshrug
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« Reply #541 on: December 03, 2019, 01:13:00 AM »
I always said Blightown was a good level.

The horrible framerate on last gen consoles (and even the original PC version) left a really bad taste in peoples mouths. Although I do acknowledge some of the enemy placement in that area is just bs lol

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #542 on: December 03, 2019, 02:22:50 AM »
Sen's :stahp

Hardcore dungeon crawl shit. Oh my GOD.

I'm both :gladbron and :stahp right now. This is glorious. Haven't played a good dungeon this tight in a long ass time. DAMN.

It's truly godlike. The resource management is :delicious

Bruh. 5 estus and this long ass dungeon, you better make good choices. This is incredible. :lawd OMG I never imagined Souls would go full jrpg and here we are. :gladbron
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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #543 on: December 03, 2019, 02:40:38 AM »
This is like an action rpg version of traditional SMT or Wizardry.

OMG this is a faithful translation from turn based dungeon crawl design with traps, obstacles, risk-reward, item/resource management. I've never seen an action rpg fully replicate the feeling of trekking through a hard dungeon in an action rpg and these fuckers have gone and done it.

I always knew Dark Souls is something I would potentially like because I'm a dungeon crawl/roguelike fan. But bah gawd. This tickles all my buttons. And the bonfire is nowhere in sight. The sheer amount of adversity. :rejoice It's like they've gone full Wizardrylike.

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Bebpo

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« Reply #544 on: December 03, 2019, 02:47:40 AM »
yeah, Sen's is tough and cool.

Don Rumata

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« Reply #545 on: December 03, 2019, 07:07:16 AM »
Sen has nothing on Tower of Latria from Demon's.

BTW I did not found the bonfire nor the elevator in Sen only after killing the boss. Yeah, that was fun running ALL THE FUCKING WAY to the boss at least a couple of times. I had that shit memorized to a tee.
They're not that similar, design wise.
Latria is way cooler in terms of atmosphere, but the level design of Sen is more intricate.

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #546 on: December 03, 2019, 10:15:35 AM »
Yes, knights and shit :rejoice

Sekiro's enemy variety was very poor. Very weird criticism especially in defense of sekiro. And even more especially when samurai are basically Japanese knights and you fight plenty of them. Lmao
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Don Rumata

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« Reply #547 on: December 03, 2019, 11:35:50 AM »
Sekiro had fucking APES!
2 apes.
Being bosses.
The rest were mere monkeys.

Also like Cindi said, Souls have plenty more creatures than just knights, lol, especially if you're counting bosses.

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #548 on: December 03, 2019, 12:27:54 PM »
Made it to Anor Londo. HOLY SHIT!!!
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« Reply #549 on: December 03, 2019, 02:55:10 PM »

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #550 on: December 03, 2019, 03:43:22 PM »
I'm surprisingly finding the story in Dark Souls more resonant than BB's. As someone with a lot of struggles and been fighting them bit by bit it really speaks to me how this character just keeps going despite it all. It's really well done speaking to other adventurers who have given up and how I keep trying. The tone is totally different than Demons or Bloodborne and I'm loving it.
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Svejk

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« Reply #551 on: December 03, 2019, 11:29:16 PM »
Soooo... I'm gonna take a stab here and guess that I should probably just go back to Bloodborne instead of play Shenmue 3... ??
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« Reply #552 on: December 04, 2019, 09:29:01 AM »
Man Sekiro sure had great imaginery................ I miss it already. It was just different barring Nioh.

I probably appreciate Sekiro mostly for its appetizing vignettes even if some aren't as layered as they have the potential to be. Things like the first time ascent to and up the outer side of Ashina Castle were a wonderful experience. In that sense I agree it would be nice to see more games with such an eye for periods like that.

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Svejk

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« Reply #553 on: December 04, 2019, 02:17:21 PM »
Even though I got turned off from DS2 (hollowing.. fucking hated it), the title music still reigns supreme in mood setting, imho...  freakin chills every time I hear it. 
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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #554 on: December 04, 2019, 02:26:18 PM »
You go hollow in DS2?!
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Svejk

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« Reply #555 on: December 04, 2019, 02:58:32 PM »
I'm not too familiar what with all hollowing entails (the lore) in the souls games, but in DS2, when you start to hollow out from dying more often, you start to look hollowed; undead like.  Which also drops your HP cap too; up to half...  But that didn't bother me as much as appearance though.   :doge  I want to look beautiful while covered in blood and darkness.  FashionSouls for me.

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #556 on: December 04, 2019, 03:15:04 PM »
:o

I noticed something similar in DS1.

Hollow means to become truly dead. A hollow is all the monsters you fight in game. They're undead people that have since gone hollow.

I look much different than I did at the beginning of the game. Reminds me of SotC where the Wanderer starts to look sick and dying the more he kills the giants. That video game minimalist storytelling. :bow
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Don Rumata

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« Reply #557 on: December 04, 2019, 03:28:40 PM »
I'm not too familiar what with all hollowing entails (the lore) in the souls games, but in DS2, when you start to hollow out from dying more often, you start to look hollowed; undead like.  Which also drops your HP cap too; up to half...  But that didn't bother me as much as appearance though.   :doge  I want to look beautiful while covered in blood and darkness.  FashionSouls for me.
I modded that out on PC.

Svejk

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« Reply #558 on: December 04, 2019, 03:42:42 PM »
I'm not too familiar what with all hollowing entails (the lore) in the souls games, but in DS2, when you start to hollow out from dying more often, you start to look hollowed; undead like.  Which also drops your HP cap too; up to half...  But that didn't bother me as much as appearance though.   :doge  I want to look beautiful while covered in blood and darkness.  FashionSouls for me.
I modded that out on PC.
:thinking hmmmm.. didn't even think about that.   I may pick up SOTFS again if it goes on the cheap. 

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #559 on: December 08, 2019, 11:47:21 PM »
Damn Anor Londo has tricky bits
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« Reply #560 on: December 09, 2019, 01:07:24 AM »
Damn Anor Londo has tricky bits

Those moments when I feel like I can finally casually get through all the stuff I had a rough time with at the beginning -- and then misstepping and still getting my ass handed to me.

Bebpo

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« Reply #561 on: December 09, 2019, 02:30:50 AM »
Damn Anor Londo has tricky bits

The part with the archers  :maf

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #562 on: December 09, 2019, 02:36:16 AM »
Damn Anor Londo has tricky bits

The part with the archers  :maf

I'm at a part where you fight these lightning  weapon dragons and there's an archer. Tough scenario.
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« Reply #563 on: December 15, 2019, 01:59:10 AM »
I've been playing DS2: SOTFS

It's the weakest of the 3 imo (since it doesn't have the amazing world design of DS1 or the level of boss fights in DS3), but I'm having a ton of fun anyway. I think one of the biggest things that turned people off from it was the game gives no indication at all how important agility is, or even what it is doing, so unless you look up detailed testing players did you can't build a reasonable character.

I like how different the game is. All 3 are quite different, which makes them all worth playing. DS2 is the slowest and most methodical, there are many places where you will be killed almost instantly if you rush in. Bonfire ascetics are a nice feature. Some bosses are up there with the best
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Magic is probably the best of the series. I never used much magic in the others, but this time spells give you more options. There are the basic damage dealing projectiles, as well as AOE, but there are also defensive spells of various ranges (Focus Souls is a fun one to put up when something is charging at you), spells intended to stun rather than damage (Soul Vortex is great at this), the greatsword spells for wider hits and going through obstacles, etc. This is the first time I've really liked a mage character as much as melee.


Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #564 on: December 16, 2019, 12:42:44 AM »
Anor Londo is hard as shit. Still haven't gotten past the archers on the ledges. (Almost though)
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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #565 on: December 16, 2019, 01:00:15 AM »
Holy fuck I did it
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Bebpo

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« Reply #566 on: December 16, 2019, 02:14:28 AM »
Anor Londo is hard as shit. Still haven't gotten past the archers on the ledges. (Almost though)

Holy fuck I did it

Yeah, this is the spot I was talking about. Probably hardest spot in the DS1 for me!

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #567 on: December 16, 2019, 03:07:25 AM »
Lmao gotta play this


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« Reply #568 on: December 16, 2019, 04:37:37 AM »
Lmao gotta play this



IT BROKE NEW GROUUUNNNNDDD

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Don Rumata

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« Reply #569 on: December 16, 2019, 08:49:46 AM »
Lmao gotta play this



The game is basically copied homework with Sekiro and some more classic Soul elements, yes.
It actually makes you appreciate how good those games are, in comparison, since this is one is so unfun to actually play.

Random example:
It has the stance meter, like Sekiro, but in this one once you break the enemy's, you don't just kill them outright, you just get the opportunity to land a couple of hits to their actual health bar (removing, like, 10% at best) as their stance quickly replenishes, making that mechanic actually an incredible chore.

It's like they played the game, but didn't understand what made it fun and satisfying.  :yeshrug

Svejk

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« Reply #570 on: December 16, 2019, 09:18:58 AM »
I like how the Blight town scene pops up and the frame rate drops all of a sudden.  :lol

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #571 on: December 17, 2019, 12:39:10 PM »
Smough and Ornstein :o
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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #572 on: December 19, 2019, 02:18:10 AM »
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Don Rumata

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« Reply #573 on: December 19, 2019, 10:15:54 AM »
Smough and Ornstein :o

Omfg :stahp
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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #574 on: December 19, 2019, 12:10:54 PM »
Struggled chipping Ornstein's life so I checked my weapon level and turns out it was only +4. Went to fight em again and got him to half life.  :doge

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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #575 on: December 20, 2019, 09:47:16 AM »
Ornstein is BS. The attack he has that tracks and he glides is BULLSHIT. He has fast recovery on every single move. Dude will glide across the screen and immediately do a backdash distancing himself from attack space. FUCKING BULLSHIT.
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Don Rumata

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« Reply #576 on: December 20, 2019, 11:07:01 AM »
Ornstein is BS. The attack he has that tracks and he glides is BULLSHIT. He has fast recovery on every single move. Dude will glide across the screen and immediately do a backdash distancing himself from attack space. FUCKING BULLSHIT.
What weapon are you using for the fight? Something too slow? Kite him away from Smough, use the pillars (even just the stumps work fine) to block his attacks, and roll into his lunges and immediately strike.
That strategy usually works for me.

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #577 on: December 20, 2019, 11:09:29 AM »
Ornstein is BS. The attack he has that tracks and he glides is BULLSHIT. He has fast recovery on every single move. Dude will glide across the screen and immediately do a backdash distancing himself from attack space. FUCKING BULLSHIT.
What weapon are you using for the fight? Something too slow? Kite him away from Smough, use the pillars (even just the stumps work fine) to block his attacks, and roll into his lunges and immediately strike.
That strategy usually works for me.

A katana. The range is limited so I cannot punish when he back steps.
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Don Rumata

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« Reply #578 on: December 20, 2019, 11:24:52 AM »
I don't remember, does DkS1 have the out-of-a-roll attack? (Pressing R1 while rolling).
There was a Katana who had a good horizontal slash with that move, that should help if you roll into his thrusts (using iframes to survive it).

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #579 on: December 20, 2019, 11:40:52 AM »
I'd like a lance but I need a dex based lance. I'll also have to level it +5. Hopefully I have something. :(

I do have the silver knight spear so maybe that's a possibility. I feel like I could poke Orny to death with something long, but the katana just handicaps me. I think I might also need Str to wield the silver knight spear.
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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #580 on: December 20, 2019, 11:49:50 AM »
Already have but iirc I have low str for it. We'll see.
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Don Rumata

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« Reply #581 on: December 20, 2019, 12:00:51 PM »
Uchigatana is perfectly fine for them, i did the whole game with it a bunch of times.

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #582 on: December 23, 2019, 03:25:15 AM »
Bruh, I leveled up my iaito to like +10 and can take out ornstein with a breeze almost not getting hit now. And then the super electric Smough can kill with one hit (butt slam). Crazy.
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« Reply #583 on: December 23, 2019, 03:27:33 AM »
I beat them with uchi but it took me an embarrassing amount of tries, then second time around it was ez.

Don Rumata

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« Reply #584 on: December 23, 2019, 08:53:30 AM »
 :nope Iaito


 :ohyeah Uchi

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #585 on: December 23, 2019, 09:24:19 AM »
Uchigatana has shit durability tho
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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #586 on: December 23, 2019, 01:46:04 PM »
Almost. Went to bed last night. I'll likely get them today.
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Don Rumata

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« Reply #587 on: December 23, 2019, 02:29:13 PM »
Uchigatana has shit durability tho
durability is only really a factor in DkS2 though, except for crystal weapons. as long as you buy the tool box.

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #588 on: December 23, 2019, 02:47:16 PM »
Still annoying af though. My Uchigatana almost broke in the middle of a boss fight in the depths.
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« Reply #589 on: December 23, 2019, 02:48:58 PM »
Cindi, this thread is crazy. It's a tough fight that might take 30-60 mins of retries, but not one you should be stuck at for days. Did you watch any youtube vids for strategy tips?

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #590 on: December 23, 2019, 02:54:27 PM »
I had a +4 weapon most of the time I fought them.

I googled to see what weapon level I should be at because I wasn't doing much damage to them and turns out I should have been +10.

I had been unknowingly gimping myself all of Anor Londo because the game has so many types of weapon enhancement and didn't want to fuck up my weapons permanently, so I decided to not level up my weapons past +5. So when I found out I should have a +10 weapon I leveled it up and instantly had an easier time. That was last night. I almost beat them but then was too tired and went to bed.
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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #591 on: December 23, 2019, 04:06:13 PM »
Also, tbh, this is the hardest fight in the Souls series (so far) imo. I think it's harder than Kos.

For one, Kos always has the same opener. A charge attack.

With Smough and Ornstein, Ornstein's opening decides both enemies behavior entirely. If he charges to you then you know you'll have a fine time. If he doesn't, sometimes the AI is overly aggressive and Smough will be running towards you the entire fight, making it hard to keep him away even with the pillars.

Then there's the fact that multiple hits can hurt you even if they're not a combo. Smough can hit you then Orny can. Your hit stun is fairly limited. Combine with unpredictable things like movesets, Ornstein's glide where he goes into debris, stops, and then glides again which completely messes up your dodge timing. Or Smough's charge attack which clears a massive amount of space.

It's easily the hardest Souls fight bar none when combining multiple factors.
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Bebpo

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« Reply #592 on: December 23, 2019, 04:36:33 PM »
It's a hard fight but I disagree. Other than having to deal with 2 enemies at once it's fine. Also +10 seems excessive. Isn't the max weapon lvl.+10? They aren't endgame bosses and pretty sure I didn't have max weapon level until the endgame.

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #593 on: December 23, 2019, 04:40:49 PM »
I don't know. I find them very hard and I'm using katanas and light armor. Maybe you got lucky with the RNG?

Either way, I beat them. :)
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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #594 on: December 23, 2019, 04:58:13 PM »
TITTIES :jeb

MY REWARD FOR PERSEVERANCE :rejoice

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« Reply #595 on: December 23, 2019, 05:41:34 PM »
What element katana? Thereís a busted tree that kills every boss in like 5 slashes and is most broken weapon in entire souls series, which is probably why I didnít struggle on that fight.

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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #596 on: December 23, 2019, 06:12:33 PM »
I have no element on my sword.

Though it does create bleed.
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Bebpo

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« Reply #597 on: December 23, 2019, 09:43:24 PM »
Hmm, maybe all Katanas cause bleed. Don't remember.

Svejk

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« Reply #598 on: December 25, 2019, 11:58:50 AM »
Finally finished Death Stranding, so I've jumped back into BB.  Not sure how far I'm in it... Did a part where I died by some sack carrying guy and woke in some prison area??  Forgot the name already.. some Hidden village or something? 

On a side note, really tempted to scoop up Sekiro on sale right now..

Don Rumata

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« Reply #599 on: December 25, 2019, 12:51:23 PM »
Hmm, maybe all Katanas cause bleed. Don't remember.
Many dex weapons do, i think.