Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I tried to make this metaphor more on the money but nah that’s about 100% - I will say that I very much doubt resetera would clown on Musk dying or being seriously hurt because he’s more of a clumsy occasional jerk than a deliberately disingenuous liar and grifter. And musk actually makes stuff and accelerated an essential public good with negative short term elements.

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[Tripon]

That posters from the UK based on his use of £ for his debt, and amex are a pretty bad choice over here

I see. Yeah, the differences by country would explain it. In the U.S. the large credit card companies  are Visa, Mastercard, American Express and Discovery. Of those 4, AmEx gives the most generous terms, but are used less by Visa and Mastercard because of it.

[Mr Gilhaney]

i know you are lurking stoning mason, so here

It's pretty funny how often mainstream media portrays nazis as bumbling idiots and never soulless, violent monsters.

Like imagine telling a holocaust survivor they were almost wiped out by the historical equivalent of the droids from the prequels

oh yeah, we barely had any of those movies showing nazi's as bad people. 

[Nintex]

The Nazi's weren't as smart as often portrayed in the movies. Most of them were really fucking stupid and believed in fairy tales actually.
If it wasn't for some great generals early on in the war (most of whom had nothing to do with the Nazi party) they would've lost way earlier.

Notice how, when the Nazi's take over more decision making from the military after '41 everything quickly unravels.
They didn't move to a full war economy until right before the Allies landed in Normandy. Not wanting to sacrifice their living standards for the troops in the East.
Which meant sending their best troops with no winter clothing into the Russian winter.

Instead of producing one reliable type of tank like the Russians and Americans their 'Panzers' where all specialized vehicles which were hard to repair in the field and broke down easily.
The Nazi's were good at crushing smaller countries weaker than them. But once they had to fight the Russians/US or hell, even the RAF. They couldn't win because of their own stupidity.

Besides, who commits a genocide and documents the whole operation. 

[HaughtyFrank]

Besides, who commits a genocide and documents the whole operation. 

You can take the Nazi out of the German but you can't take the German out of the Nazi

[Joe Molotov]

I tried to make this metaphor more on the money but nah that’s about 100% - I will say that I very much doubt resetera would clown on Musk dying or being seriously hurt because he’s more of a clumsy occasional jerk than a deliberately disingenuous liar and grifter. And musk actually makes stuff and accelerated an essential public good with negative short term elements.

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RIP Total Biscuit

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

It's a problem with the language and what it implies. The person who is physically dependent on the drug given to them for treatment is abusing it. The doctor who has the knowledge, training, and clarity to know the dangers of the drug is simply over prescribing.

You are making very little sense it this point. This is one of those case where someone on an internet forum is simply arguing for the sake of arguing. You don't magically become physically dependant on a drug. You cannot assume that the doctor was over prescribing a drug that is rather safe to prescribe. I am going to lay this out for you step by step.

Doctor prescribes a drug as a treatment for a medical problem. The prescription comes with instructions about dosage of the drug.
Patient takes the drug as prescribed.
Patient notices that the drug gives him a high. Patient takes more of the drug than needed for therapy.
Patient becomes psychologically addicted to the drug. He takes more of the drug due to addiction.
Patient becomes physically dependant on the drug due to long term abuse of the drug.
Peterson was not physically dependant on benzos from the onset. I would also like to point out the fact that it is very easy to get access to benzos without a prescription.

its basically your own fault, victims of the opioid crisis.
Shoulda had more bootstraps resilience self control.

[Joe Molotov]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/disney-ceo-bob-iger-apologizes-after-licensing-agent-demanded-250-from-an-elementary-school-that-showed-the-lion-king-at-fundraising-event.169134/#post-28957572

billionaires are generally benevolent and will do their best to fix injustices in society.

[OnlyRegret]

mans just thinking about the future
suck up to the billionaires now and get first round drafted by one as the pampered human pet

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/has-era-had-an-impact-in-your-life.169235/

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poll included!

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/first-look-at-kristen-wiig-as-cheetah.169080/#post-28949178

I wonder if she’ll flash her big ole untrimmed James Corden in a gruesome dance routine?

Reported to my local mod captains, thanks for the head-up.  This kind of filth cannot stand on ResetEra.

Had that been about a MAHVEL!!! movie, somebody who posted something like that would've been banned and the account deleted.

Account is still unbanned.

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/has-era-had-an-impact-in-your-life.169235/

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poll included!

First three responses:

Often quite negative. OT Era can give the impression life is just doom and gloom and there’s no point in trying to live a nice Life or make things better.

im pretty sure this place is responsible for my recent anxiety problems.

I would say I'm worse because of the forum, because it wastes a lot of time and creates a very small information bubble that's easy to over-rely on without actually being informed about things.

That said it's not that dramatic of an impact, and it's a simple pleasure to browse when I'm bored, even if there are more productive things I could be doing.

 

[bork]

This is a miserable place so no lol

Yeah, OT does a good job dampening my spirits the rest of the day quite often.

No, thankfully. This is the most depressing, negative community I've ever been part of.

Its made me see how uninformed people that think they’re informed can be. Also taught me to ignore the chicken littles in life that see the end of the world in every minor event.

It’s definitely contributed towards my distaste for video games

Waste too much time on here and becoming increasingly anti-social...

SO POSITIVE

[bork]

I certainly have less time but I enjoy being part of this community and I've learned a lot so yes, I think this site has made me a better person.

 

[bork]

Yeah from GAF to here I feel I’m a lot more “woke” fir a lack of a better term

Can kinda filter thoughts a bit more logically too

you can filter thoughts? logically?

 

[VomKriege]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jordan-peterson-destroys-intellectual-brain-by-seeking-quack-therapy-in-russia-for-benzodiazepines.169210/post-28971620

I don't really understand why they hate Peterson that much. Has he done legit bad shit? With RE you can't tell because they'd say the same shit if this was about someone like Colin Moriarty

His whole "enforced monogamy is the answer" just in the wake of a mass murder carried by an incel was pretty bad on its own and as far as I can tell he has a whole catalog of stances I can only qualify as reactionary.

I think ERA's rejection is proportional to how omnipresent he was at some point in Internet discourse and the company he kept at that time. Not to go all guilt by association but when you're knee deep in that cesspool clique of Rubin / Crowder / Kirk / Shapiro... it's hard to believe you're not aware of the political bent you're serving and the sort of audiences you're pandering to.

[bork]

https://twitter.com/kelsoscotty/status/1226586243926020096

The reactions from the three people at the end
  

[thisismyusername]

That's not very Hella Money of you.

[clothedmacuser]

Delphine went to town

Not being able to laugh at yourself or even groups you are a part of is unfortunate. That's a great joke, but if it crosses the line for you, I can't dispute that.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pics-that-make-you-laugh-ot-2020-nobody-else-volunteered.162321/post-28956609

User Banned (2 Weeks): Dismissive Commentary Surrounding Sexism

Are the "karen" jokes about "i want to speak to your manager" stereotyping white women? And how much of a quorum is needed to decide if that has a racist interpretation? And what academic authority has the legitimacy to claim so?

Personally, that joke is "ok" (lazy). Its "women be shopping" levels of effort.

User Banned (2 Weeks): Dismissive Commentary Surrounding Sexism

That's a lot to unpack my dear, but first let's just give you a star for mansplaining to a woman what a sexist joke should or shouldn't look like, congratz: ⭐

How the fuck can you complain about mansplaining right after you dismissed the guy's wife's opinion?

 

She wandered into the "funny pics" thread just to shit it up.  What a depressing person.

[BrokenEchelon]

BLM BHM thread has 2 pages.

[HaughtyFrank]

BLM BHM thread has 2 pages.

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That's already more than the one from last year.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/black-history-month-ot-say-it-loud-im-black-and-im-proud.97045/

Yikes. Not a good look. Oof.

[who is ted danson?]

How are these rÉtards such complete failures at everything?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/it-is-scary-easy-to-get-into-debt.169196/

This is just depressing levels of stupidity. Its 2020 and people are still buying stuff they cant afford on CC's. Its not even like they lost their job and needed food or whatever. A macbook and airpods. SMH

[Nintex]

How are these rÉtards such complete failures at everything?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/it-is-scary-easy-to-get-into-debt.169196/

This is just depressing levels of stupidity. Its 2020 and people are still buying stuff they cant afford on CC's. Its not even like they lost their job and needed food or whatever. A macbook and airpods. SMH

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

There is an invite only thread going for the bcc folk get the forum even more moderated.

[Coffee Dog]

Black Summit 

[BrokenEchelon]

A dark day in black excellence 

[samir]

We now have more leeway to ban first and ask questions later.

What could possibly go wrong?

[Boredfrom]

Holy shit, don’t tell me this is because Kobe drama  .

At this point I think is fair game to bring his rape allegations, a week already passed.

[Boredfrom]

Hello everyone, and welcome. The purpose of the meeting today is for ResetEra staff and BCC members to meet and discuss concerns and issues that the BCC has so that staff can work to create a more welcoming and safe environment for you all.

A few things, though. We ask that no one uses this meeting to air grievances against specific individuals. The purpose of this meeting is to discuss general concerns, and come up with solutions with you all to address them. It's more than fine to bring up examples of the kind of posts you'd like to see moderated more harshly or that you see as a problem that isn't currently addressed, but we'd kindly ask that you do not attach names to these posts. More specific concerns about users can be brought directly to staff, or reported. This also has the benefit of not bringing unwanted off-site attention to said users, as well as yourselves.

Secondly, we ask that no one bring up generic staff actions they disagree with if they have nothing to do with the issue of handling black-specific issues (i.e. don't try to relitigate unrelated bans).

With that said, we're here to listen and have a constructive dialogue, and we're hopeful that this meeting will lead to positive change. Thank you to everyone attending today.

As of late, I feel like we haven't been doing enough to push back against racism on ResetEra. We've banned the more blatant examples, but there have been threads where I look back on and feel we could have done better. The reason I wanted to speak with all of you in this, or any, setting is so that we can better figure out how to improve and what exactly we should be looking for.

I recognize a lot of you from threads where we have discussed things in the past. I came away from those threads with a lot of respect and do want to know what you all think and what more we can do to be responsive and address your issues.

Appologies for the delay, I need to work out the posting permissions for those taking part and then we can get started.

[Boredfrom]

Tell me this. Why are you policing our language?

We never bump people from our community, but we get bumped all day long when we aren't in our section.

[BrokenEchelon]

It must be so nice to be able to blame all your shortcomings in life on your skin color.

[Boredfrom]

I dunno if that thread is supposed to be able to be seen by lurkers, so:

We now have more leeway to ban first and ask questions later. It's bit us in the ass a few times but I honestly prefer that because it allows us to better keep up with the speed of heated threads, versus pre Trans-Week where it was the opposite. Sometimes (assuming mitigating circumstances aren't a thing, like if mods are just away or there's other threads requiring attention), a hold-up can be because we're trying to establish clearly what we're banning for and who is crossing the line before we go in. Like, we can know when shit deserves a ban on sight immediately, but we can't have the banner be "Being a piece of shit." We gotta refer back to the books and precedent.

We look at post history, infraction history, and notes, and try to escalate from there. So that's why infractions might seem a little weird. Like, someone who posts something racist the first time is going to get a smaller infraction than the asshole who can't keep from going on and on about Blue Lives Matter shit by default. And we do know when members have a history of aggravating behavior. 

[Nintex]

So you maybe wondering what am I asking? Get stricter bans for racism. I also ask that the mods (the white ones especially) learn to recognize with someone is throwing thinly veiled racism like its confetti because jesus people throw that stuff around like snow here.

What a horrible racist forum

[Boredfrom]

It must be so nice to be able to blame all your shortcomings in life on your skin color.

Nah, fuck this line of thinking too.

BCT insanity is independent of skin color.

[BrokenEchelon]

It must be so nice to be able to blame all your shortcomings in life on your skin color.

Nah, fuck this line of thinking too.

BCT insanity is independent of skin color.

Yeah, you're right. I wouldn't want to be that soft of a whiny bitch.

[samir]

BCT really are a bunch of thin-skinned little bitches 

[Nintex]

What I like most is that they're basically saying the mods are a bunch of racists but that seems to fly over the heads of the mod team  .

[Coffee Dog]

I’m not black, should I be able to post here?

 

[Boredfrom]

. Are we aware of our own biases? Absolutely. That is why we are trying to have more meetings like this, so that we hear your concerns, understand what you'd like to see changed, and address other problems the community may have. As Mist said, we are actively looking for more black staff so that they can add their voice to bans and reports and help us change this community in a way that benefits all.

That question is also one that we get asked during our interviews for the position. As an ancedote.

[Nintex]

So, in that respect, I'll take responsibility for site-wide failures to address y'alls concerns. I apologize. But you should know as well as anyone urban I'm aware of how annoyingly banal and suffocating this place can be the moment you want to talk about black issues and goings-on. What I want to do is to be able to more carve out more space for us to breathe, yanno? How I'm going to that policy-wise is what I want to figure out asap.

[Boredfrom]

If those people haven't been banned already, that's definitely an error. It's something we have definitely been banning for. If some posts haven't been banned for that, it either was not reported, or there was an error on our side.

Racism is absolutely a thing in Europe, as many of our own mods from there can personally attest (as a French, I definitely agree that it absolutely exists). Mist has been a long time mod captain, and is a Black British woman, and has therefore weighed in on the moderation of such threads, as have our other European and PoC staff.

If a poster is saying as such they can, and should, be actioned as if they were dismissing the existence of racism itself. If you see it, please report it, because it is definitely something that violates our rules.

How long until they throw Mist under the bus?

[Coffee Dog]

They...bother holding interviews for mod positions? 

[samir]

Why don't they create their own forum? What's the point of keep coming to a site where you mostly stick to a single thread because all other threads are full of racists?

[Boredfrom]

Kind of feel like you all aren't listening. So MY community is going to keep eating it for the sake of others.

[Nintex]

They...bother holding interviews for mod positions? 

So tell me, where do you see yourself in 5 years?

Can we trust you to do the right thing when Nintendo is offended?

How many times have you been to Disney land this year?

Can you tell me the current Box Office take of Frozen 2?

[BrokenEchelon]

Why don't they create their own forum? What's the point of keep coming to a site where you mostly stick to a single thread because all other threads are full of racists?

Because the pathetic fucks thrive on the drama. All they have in their lives is LARPing against the evil white man on a video game forum.

[Boredfrom]

When it comes to racism there isn't much room for a grey area or any kind of nuance. You either are or you're not. You're either against or for it regardless of your background. You either perpetuate it and tolerate it on some level or you shoot that shit down on-site.

If someone says something kinda racist it's still racist and I'm sure they probably have plenty more to say. I'm not asking for a witch hunt or for new rules, just more understanding, more awareness, and some empathy for black uses/issues. I generally enjoy using ERA but I'm just kind of over it in regards to racial issues.

Also, for the love of God, not voting Trump doesn't exempt apparent blindspots and I feel like that's an issue with how the site carries itself when it comes to racially sensitive issues. Neither does living in Europe which apparently (based off personal anecdotes on here) is the least racist place on the planet .

It's cool to dogpile racist assholes who lose their job after racist shit, but ask anyone to look into the mirror that is white liberalism, white privilege, or even white feminism on here and you're kind of dismissed on here or end up in a room full of crickets. It's like, "oh hey bud, I'm not Republican/live in Siberia so my work here is done!" What kind of bar is that?

It's all good though, I know it's not high on people's priority but yeah, I'm not really sure what else to do or say at this point. Guess I'll just keep speaking up when I can.

Anyway, thanks for the thread.

Is not BCT the first group to mock the idea that labeling people as racist is not big deal or not live changing event?

[Boredfrom]

Yo, most of us would get booted for repeat offenses simply because of language. We've already lost so much. 

 

[Boredfrom]

I know I'm black but I'll respond anyway.

We're aware we have biases. That was the point in hiring a diverse staff in the first place. If I'm around, black issues are deferred to me and other black mods. If it's something LGBT related that I can't easily parse, I hand it off to LGBT staff, and so on and do forth. Just know that internally we defer to the relevant staffers' judgement and go from there.

So, in that respect, I'll take responsibility for site-wide failures to address y'alls concerns. I apologize. But you should know as well as anyone urban I'm aware of how annoyingly banal and suffocating this place can be the moment you want to talk about black issues and goings-on. What I want to do is to be able to more carve out more space for us to breathe, yanno? How I'm going to that policy-wise is what I want to figure out asap.

Maybe the reason why are you so inefficient in moderating black issues is that you require specialized mods to deal with those threads?

[Boredfrom]

. One suggestion we've had recently was to include something in the General Guide about being careful about posting personally identifiable information. And putting out a site-wide alert to let users know that the General Guide was updated.   

HOLY SHIT ARE YOU THIS CLUELESS?

[Boredfrom]

The last staffer to leave left by their own choice, not as a group decision, despite none of us wanting them to go.

I personally agree that we should rally around our staff when people are wanting their head (unless it's some real egregious bullshit), especially minority staff because we're having to contend with bad faith on and off-site. But that can be impossible to do when the act of rallying is seen as "protecting problematic people," or "covering up" some grand conspiracy, or "making it all about you," and you're just trying to put the fire out and get people to calm down.

The last row taught me when to recognize when a situation that deserves moderating, deserves speaking up, just isn't worth doing so in the grand scheme of solving the issue (the issue at the time being "how can I personally get people to understand that I care about their concerns and comfort on ERA?") because you are the one with authority, and that authority implicitly takes precedence in a conversation like this one about how that authority is being misapplied or abused. It doesn't matter that the authority is meaningless (I can't put any of this on my resume), or that an authoritative action would be entirely justified in individual circumstances in any other context.

The fact that you are a staffer means that any pushback over any undue or unjust behavior in these circumstances is going to be construed as speaking over people and shutting them out which, again, would've served the opposite purpose in that situation. If you trying to do something for a bunch of people, sometimes you really do just need to shut the fuck up, else you risk completely burning the bridge. And I'm not trying to victimize myself; merely tell you how it is.

I know that's probably bullshit to you, but honestly after going through it I can't give you a better answer regarding the issue of moderators getting attacked under the perception that they are aiding in a pertinent issue that is blowing up across the entire forum. My hope is that it simply never happens again, so I don't HAVE to deal with it again. But yeah, what you say hasn't been lost on me, or the rest of staff. If nothing else, I think that speaks to a cultural issue here that I might not necessarily be capable of sol

A lot of words just to admit they throw Royalan under the bus just to shut up TransEra and they didn’t particularly care about the reasons why...

[Coffee Dog]

The last staffer to leave left by their own choice, not as a group decision, despite none of us wanting them to go.

  is this supporting acephobia?

[Boredfrom]

The last row taught me when to recognize when a situation that deserves moderating, deserves speaking up, just isn't worth doing so in the grand scheme of solving the issue (the issue at the time being "how can I personally get people to understand that I care about their concerns and comfort on ERA?")

But you don’t care, Nephente. You never did. You care about your own comfort and the idea of Era as some sort of bastion for progress in the Internet. You don’t care about individuals or even some groups at Era.

[Snoopycat_]

"He'll always have his small core of hard core lobster boys but like most alt right grifters once your usefulness runs out or you become damaged goods they drop you like a bad habit. He's lucky he's an ok looking straight white man as that gives you a bit more rope to hang yourself with but it doesn't really do much more than delay the inevitable. When you're base is a bunch of fickle pricks who pride themselves on not giving a shit about others then you shouldn't expect them to hang around when you look weak and can't push the narrative like you used to."

Hmmm.

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/first-look-at-kristen-wiig-as-cheetah.169080/#post-28949178

I wonder if she’ll flash her big ole untrimmed James Corden in a gruesome dance routine?

Reported to my local mod captains, thanks for the head-up.  This kind of filth cannot stand on ResetEra.

Had that been about a MAHVEL!!! movie, somebody who posted something like that would've been banned and the account deleted.

Account is still unbanned.

Your recent report has been resolved: Post in thread 'First look at Kristen Wiig as cheetah' - Thank you for your report, user has now been warned. Have a nice day!

User Warned: Inappropriate Commentary

 

[Uncle]

for any era folk who might come here to look up the metacommentary surrounding the ongoing BCC staff meeting

it's increasingly concerning that administrator b-dubs has never addressed his behaviour back on gaf yet

[benjipwns]

With regards to doxxing from off site, is there any way to hide/scramble usernames for people viewing the site who aren't registered/logged in? It was still allow people to view all the discussion, although it might make it a little confusing to follow quotes and specifically who said what, but I think if they cared enough they could always make an account

Actually the more I think about it, if a user wanted to deactivate their account to end any tracking and start a fresh account, how would they go about that?

Such measures have already been taken in the past indeed, in cases where users were genuinely afraid for their safety, brought it up to us in private, talked about it and then we created a new account for them in order for them to escape harassment and doxxing. This is certainly something we can entertain should the situation be so dire that the safety of the user is severely compromised.

We also are willing to help members out with tips on how to avoid further attention from hate sites on their new account if this is something they're interested in.

[Uncle]

D i Z is ridiculously aggro 

[nachobro]

It's exhausting constantly giving a shit and feeling like nobody who can do something about it gives as much of a shit as you do.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-staff-meeting-with-the-black-community.169243/post-28982193

imagine being this melodramatic over posting about comic movies on the internet

[benita]

I know ad revenue and so on, but EtcEra shouldn't even be a publicly-viewable forum. I wanted to make this point during the dialogue about TransEra issues and I think it's appropriate to make here. The off-site targeting and doxxing of black posters (and trans posters, and minority community posters in general) has a chilling effect on posting.

So start an email chain?