Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[MMaRsu]

geez it's already hard to search the internet for ellen page, within 3 hours the deadname is scrubbed from nearly everywhere except right wing sources like daily mail

you search for ellen page, every result says elliot already

So wait, what do you mean she's trans? Is she getting dick surgury? Are they gonna put a dick on her?

 

Or is she just gay and wants to fuck women but still identify as a man (without the man parts)

whuh which of these is true???

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

As someone who is still pretty keen to play the game, and has the luxury of being able to legally play it without myself or anybody having payed CDPR for it (long story, and not piracy or in a marketing position like reviews), I've put my money where my mouth is and donated the price I'd have otherwise spent on the game to this charity. 12 years running and looking like they've made substantial groundwork in Polish politics where many others have not. I'd rather use my money to stick it to CDPR from this angle.

Thank you for the link.

 

yeah, stick it to them by supporting a charity they almost certainly support themselves, take that shitlords.
Maybe rub salt in the wound by leaving cyberpunk a glowing user review as a follow up

[Averon]

Orb's been on PoliERA's shit list for a awhile for being too openly critical of Democrats on the regular. No other reason to explain why making that thread lead to a perm ban.

[Boredfrom]

I dunno, that Obama thread is seeing a lot of people getting mad a Obama for saying the obvious so dunno if it was “to lefty”.

[Boredfrom]

  I’ll never understand this forum’s obsession with Twitter and posting random tweets. As if using the words from some random person on Twitter as some sort of gotcha makes any sense.

. It's about giving credit for a thought instead of passing it off as your own.

. If someone makes a good point should it not be shared? Or rather, how would you share it? It's not much different from quoting someone else's post.

"This forum's obsession" too like a ton of the world or other forums aren't on twitter lol

The twitter posts that you guys usually post are, more often than not, terrible. The fact they shape your ideas is all kinds of terrible.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Orb's been on PoliERA's shit list for a awhile for being too openly critical of Democrats on the regular. No other reason to explain why making that thread lead to a perm ban.

simple answer is simple; glaxy brain era literally only read a thread title before dropping their steaming take

[Don Rumata]

geez it's already hard to search the internet for ellen page, within 3 hours the deadname is scrubbed from nearly everywhere except right wing sources like daily mail

you search for ellen page, every result says elliot already

So wait, what do you mean she's trans? Is she getting dick surgury? Are they gonna put a dick on her?

 

Or is she just gay and wants to fuck women but still identify as a man (without the man parts)

whuh which of these is true???

You don't need a genitals sex change op to transition gender.

[Boredfrom]

So let's say police from the city were going to the countryside and murdering cows. It got so bad and blatant, with video footage of city cops killing cows on purpose, with no way of holding them accountable, for decades, that eventually farmers started suggesting that "defunding the police" was the only way to prevent their cows from being murdered. The people in the city then tell all the farmers what words to use when they start to bubble over?

Think your midwesterners would think the city folk should have the right to tell them what words to use? Think your Midwestern neighbors value a cow life or a black life more?   

Don't take this the wrong way, but who gives a fuck what you or people in rural area think about this? Police funding is a local issue, and most of the calls for defunding the police are coming from people in cities to deal with the police forces in said cities. If you live in small town with a 5 man sheriffs department why care if Minneapolis or NYC decides to cut police funding? It literally doesn't affect you. 

Is this social elitism?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html
Let's say that study is highly flawed and its only 10% of their lowest estimate, at about 25,000.

That's still about 25x as many as people killed annually by the US police.

So the bigger issue here is DEFUND HEALTHCARE

...or maybe that's a dumbfuck solution to a more nuanced problem, and if you actually want to fix something thats broken automatically vetoing a possible solution that may actually be the best solution, especially if you look at other first world countries that don't have that problem, is nonsensical

[MMaRsu]

geez it's already hard to search the internet for ellen page, within 3 hours the deadname is scrubbed from nearly everywhere except right wing sources like daily mail

you search for ellen page, every result says elliot already

So wait, what do you mean she's trans? Is she getting dick surgury? Are they gonna put a dick on her?

 

Or is she just gay and wants to fuck women but still identify as a man (without the man parts)

whuh which of these is true???

You don't need a genitals sex change op to transition gender.

What

so how do you transition gender without genital sex change? Just identify as a different gender and you're good? I seriously dont understand this so please explain

[Boredfrom]

I mean, I cannot say I didn’t start to agreeing with the sentiment of ACAB after the shit it was pulled this past years. Is just that people usually prefer having police to not having it even in places where they are extremely corrupt. People coming around to BLM feels incidental of Trump years and police brutality over hammering the slogan until it sticks.

. This is ahistorical. "Burn Baby Burn" didn't kill any movement or Black rights momentum... The FBI and J.Edgar Hoover did! Clyburn is giving a false recollection of the Civil Rights and Black Power Movements in order to stifle progressives in 2020. It's frankly disgusting. 

[Transhuman]

It sounds like you understand mmarsu

[cosmicblizzard]

What gets me is the "we don't need to explain shit to you and your lame electoral politics!" mindset, as if anything would actually get done without, you know, electing people that would enact change.  If the electorate gets turned off by snappy slogans and puts people in office that will straight up ignore those concerns rather than paying lip service and getting some incremental improvements done, well congratulations, you're worse off than when you started.

If BLM started under Trump, I am 80% sure America would have had their own Tiananmen Square event by now.

Also, people ignoring the parallels between Defund the Police and Defund Planned Parenthood are dumb as shit.  Low information voters are the norm, and those that have been fighting against the latter for decades aren't going to suddenly think "defund" doesn't mean "abolish".

[Raist]

Will we have a separate screenshot thread for Cyberpunk?

If mods allow this we'll need another summit.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Will we have a separate screenshot thread for Cyberpunk?

If mods allow this we'll need another summit.

Create a screenshot thread, then have every other post be the chromanticore poster

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://twitter.com/dril/status/1333817949623263232

dril going for an entry for eras motto

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/people-lord-of-the-rings-cast-reunites-for-epic-quest-to-buy-6-million-home-of-author-j-r-r-tolkien.337035/

Some of the stars of LOTR team up to promote a crowdfunded charitable bid to buy an authors house and turn it into a literary centre

I would've thought the stars could fund it themselves.

Why don’t they just buy it themselves? They have the Money.

Just...buy it yourselves...

Never pay for something when you can get others to do it for you

I'm normally not a fan of this type of reasoning, but when you read stuff like this: "We cannot achieve this without the support of the worldwide community of Tolkien fans, our fellowship of funders", and we're in the middle of a huge financial crisis, then it makes me wonder how much of their own money are they actually putting into this? They're old and have more money than most Tolkien fans.

Like fuck off. You're telling me between the two of you you can't buy it in your own. Fuck I hate the rich

Rich people spend their own money?

fun fact: 60 is both the age at which I will finish paying my one-bedroom mortgage without enough savings to retire, and the net worth of Ian McKellen in millions.

Thought they were buying it themselves, which would have been cool. As much as I love Ian, hard pass on these guys asking normies for help paying for non-essential things during these times.

As much as I love the movies, any one of them can probably buy it themselves, and there's a whole cast of them.

Yep. Hard pass on paying for something they could easily combine to donate themselves.

I thought so as well, the title is a little misleading. Don't see why they just can't do this themselves, they have the cash

you utterly miserable shower of cunts

[Uncle]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html
Let's say that study is highly flawed and its only 10% of their lowest estimate, at about 25,000.

That's still about 25x as many as people killed annually by the US police.

So the bigger issue here is DEFUND HEALTHCARE

...or maybe that's a dumbfuck solution to a more nuanced problem, and if you actually want to fix something thats broken automatically vetoing a possible solution that may actually be the best solution, especially if you look at other first world countries that don't have that problem, is nonsensical

one real world example of police change in the US is what Camden, NJ did

the narrative surrounding them is primarily that they dismantled their police department, which is technically true

but they rebuilt it, and rehired back most of the same police if they were able to pass the interview process, and now has doubled their police presence

far from "defunding," they are actually spending more now, and both crime and complaints about the police have plummeted

so, I don't know...re-fund the police?

I mean, I cannot say I didn’t start to agreeing with the sentiment of ACAB after the shit it was pulled this past years. Is just that people usually prefer having police to not having it even in places where they are extremely corrupt. People coming around to BLM feels incidental of Trump years and police brutality over hammering the slogan until it sticks.

this is true, studies have shown that actually speaking to people in low income urban areas, most of them would like increased police presence, because it really does stop some of the casual crime that takes place there, they feel forgotten and abandoned by officers who won't set foot in those areas

[killamajig]

I'm not a fan of three strikes laws.

But........

When you lock up a person for life after their third violent felony it does reduce crime.

 

[NekoFever]

So let's say police from the city were going to the countryside and murdering cows. It got so bad and blatant, with video footage of city cops killing cows on purpose, with no way of holding them accountable, for decades, that eventually farmers started suggesting that "defunding the police" was the only way to prevent their cows from being murdered. The people in the city then tell all the farmers what words to use when they start to bubble over?

Think your midwesterners would think the city folk should have the right to tell them what words to use? Think your Midwestern neighbors value a cow life or a black life more?   

Don't take this the wrong way, but who gives a fuck what you or people in rural area think about this? Police funding is a local issue, and most of the calls for defunding the police are coming from people in cities to deal with the police forces in said cities. If you live in small town with a 5 man sheriffs department why care if Minneapolis or NYC decides to cut police funding? It literally doesn't affect you. 

Is this social elitism?

It’s particularly funny in light of the thread they had about why Democrats keep losing rural counties.

[ShutUp]

From the Night City Wire thread:

Anyone is free to do and think whatever they want, as long as they respect others.

I'm free to buy and love this game. Any subjects around CDPR about other matters, i don't even care. I also have my own problems in my life that i need to think about, we all have.

Responses to this perfectly reasonable post are as you'd expect, even a "report them, posting in bad faith" response.

"Why are they ignoring us!?" Kyuuji and co. continue to wonder.

[MMaRsu]

It sounds like you understand mmarsu

I mean if thats how it works, then its basically you just stating you are a man now and other should believe that fact. Man that is some stupid shit. At least get a dick if you wanna pretend to be a man

[nudemacusers]

lmao watching resetera grapple with the reality that they're not as woke as they'd like to imagine

[Nintex]

It sounds like you understand mmarsu

I mean if thats how it works, then its basically you just stating you are a man now and other should believe that fact. Man that is some stupid shit. At least get a dick if you wanna pretend to be a man

Welcome to the brave new world my friend. That's how it works now

[nudemacusers]

kinda fun to roll back the clock and check out poliera reactions to blm

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-democratic-national-convention-ot-2016-the-one-with-the-policy.1251945/page-93

We know Black Lives Matter. No need to chant it.

Oh jesus, shut up you petty kids, adult is making a glorious speech.

the fucking bernie bros are now chanting black lives matter? wtf

ruffians!!
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/black-lives-matter-disrupts-martin-o%C2%92malley-bernie-sanders-town-hall.1082108/


https://www.neogaf.com/threads/blm-activists-interrupt-hillary-at-private-event-in-south-carolina.1189898/

not QUEEN!!! my brunches!!

[Snoopycat_]

I mean if thats how it works, then its basically you just stating you are a man now and other should believe that fact. Man that is some stupid shit. At least get a dick if you wanna pretend to be a man

If he gets a dick the Ree trans will just accuse him of being a unicorn or whatever it is chicks with dicks are called now

[benjipwns]

User banned (2 weeks): misrepresenting previous ban ( https://www.resetera.com/posts/29693655/ )

I agree.

i took a week ban for suggesting that over 1000 people per day may get infected.

it seems right that anyone spouting anti vax sentiment should receive the same

Alright, let's go to the tape!

User banned (1 week): Fearmongering

it always was, as I’ve been saying throughout this thread.

exponential growth.

in a week, numbers raising in the “hundreds per day” will become thousands and then tens of thousands.

Judges?

[Transhuman]

It sounds like you understand mmarsu

I mean if thats how it works, then its basically you just stating you are a man now and other should believe that fact. Man that is some stupid shit. At least get a dick if you wanna pretend to be a man

Is it that hard to just live and let live? Maybe it's something you have to go through to understand.

[team filler]

[BIONIC]

filler, please stop being a TERF. All of Xenu’s children deserve love 

[team filler]

[clothedmacuser]

Let's just all agree that All Lives Matter.

[team filler]

[joeboy101]

User banned (2 weeks): misrepresenting previous ban ( https://www.resetera.com/posts/29693655/ )

I agree.

i took a week ban for suggesting that over 1000 people per day may get infected.

it seems right that anyone spouting anti vax sentiment should receive the same

Alright, let's go to the tape!

User banned (1 week): Fearmongering

it always was, as I’ve been saying throughout this thread.

exponential growth.

in a week, numbers raising in the “hundreds per day” will become thousands and then tens of thousands.

Judges?

i took a week ban for suggesting that over 1000 people per day may get infected.

I hope that mod has given an apology in the meantime.

Mods communicate only through bans there. A 2 week ban is equivalent to a soft hug with a bit of awkward silence.

[HaughtyFrank]

The mods are hilariously authoritative. They don't mind if the communities maul each other but don't you ever fucking dare to touch one of them.

[Don Rumata]

It sounds like you understand mmarsu

I mean if thats how it works, then its basically you just stating you are a man now and other should believe that fact. Man that is some stupid shit. At least get a dick if you wanna pretend to be a man

No, it's not stupid shit.
You think every transwoman out there got their genital reassignment surgery and is post op? I'd assume the vast majority of trans people are pre-op.
Requiring someone to undergo surgery to be considered their preferred gender (especially if we accept that gender and sex aren't the same thing) is absurd, since said surgery is extremely costly, irreversible, invasive and in some cases risky (also some may just not be able to get it based on specific health reasons).

You can make an argument about being "femme presenting" or not, but even that i think is not anybody's business, you can identify as woman without having to dress up as a stereotype of an "hyper female" (and vice versa), and the ability to pass is not just inherently about the amount of effort put in, especially if you started transitioning later in life.

Sure if you make zero effort to present yourself as your gender of choice, you can't reasonably expect others to identify you as such on first contact, but that is a far cry from requiring surgery before you can update the gender on your ID.

[Don Rumata]

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PLEASE EVERY VOTE HELPS.

https://www.change.org/p/david-lynch-demand-david-lynch-change-his-racist-surname?source_location=topic_page

If you cant vote, at least help by sharing this with your friends and family!

[Switters]

The mods are hilariously authoritative. They don't mind if the communities maul each other but don't you ever fucking dare to touch one of them.

But Roy giving a pound of flesh only to have Ket Kat permed over tiddies is like one of the greatest anime betrayals of all time.

[MMaRsu]

It sounds like you understand mmarsu

I mean if thats how it works, then its basically you just stating you are a man now and other should believe that fact. Man that is some stupid shit. At least get a dick if you wanna pretend to be a man

Is it that hard to just live and let live? Maybe it's something you have to go through to understand.

What

If he/she's happy I dont care, good for him/her.

but if thats all it takes to be trans now? 😂 Yeah I now identify as a woman guys, not gonna get my dick cut off or anything similar, I just want people to adress me as a female.

That shit is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged man

How does one transition from a female to a male without any form of surgery? Hormone pills? How is that going to make you any more of a man?

It sounds like you understand mmarsu

I mean if thats how it works, then its basically you just stating you are a man now and other should believe that fact. Man that is some stupid shit. At least get a dick if you wanna pretend to be a man

No, it's not stupid shit.
You think every transwoman out there got their genital reassignment surgery and is post op? I'd assume the vast majority of trans people are pre-op.
Requiring someone to undergo surgery to be considered their preferred gender (especially if we accept that gender and sex aren't the same thing) is absurd, since said surgery is extremely costly, irreversible, invasive and in some cases risky (also some may just not be able to get it based on specific health reasons).

You can make an argument about being "femme presenting" or not, but even that i think is not anybody's business, you can identify as woman without having to dress up as a stereotype of an "hyper female" (and vice versa), and the ability to pass is not just inherently about the amount of effort put in, especially if you started transitioning later in life.

Sure if you make zero effort to present yourself as your gender of choice, you can't reasonably expect others to identify you as such on first contact, but that is a far cry from requiring surgery before you can update the gender on your ID.

I think it is stupid shit, but maybe thats my closemindedness talking.

You think every transwoman out there got their genital reassignment surgery and is post op? I'd assume the vast majority of trans people are pre-op.

I dont, but I assume if you want to identify and feel like another gender, why not go all the way and get that dick you've been dreaming of having? Or that pussy that you always wanted?

First of all I make a huge difference between women turning men, then men turning women.

Men who transition into women make up for a vast majority of trans people, women transitioning to men is a very low percentage. I feel that that has something to do with not only taboo, but also because for men I think its more a fetish in some cases. I also did some research into this and found that men are more prone to transition into women than the other way around.

I have respect for a trans women who transitions to a man (and getting surgury for it).

Oh well. I guess im just not very open minded about guys transitioning into women. In some cases its because its honestly they feel like they were born in the wrong body. In many other cases I feel like its more a fetish thing, or acceptance thing. They want to be accepted, never did when they were a boy and now they want to be a woman. A lot of assumptions, probably baseless and stupid but its how i feel.

I have more respect for a woman transitioning to a man then the other way around.

But yeah I have nothing against trans women or trans men, as long as they are happy im happy for them. That doesnt mean I dont have my own opinions on it..

[Nintex]

The surgery wasn't and isn't accessible to many people who identify as trans MMaRsu. That's basically why the whole thing is so controversial.

I'm in the camp that thinks it 'escalated quickly' with the 200 different genders of which most are basically the same thing and some are just completely made up like people who think they are a moon or love Sonic and stuff.
But I don't think it's necessary to cut off your dick if you want to identify yourself differently 

With your communication style I think you should try your hand at politics tho 

[Ghoul]

You guys are acting like cocks grow on trees.

Whatever the hell Elliot wants to do is down to them. I do however find it fucking stupid when it’s like oh hey I’m also non binary? Like how the fuck does that even work? But with that said is anyone truly shocked that she came out as trans? Like seriously ask yourself that after looking at pictures of him..

You either die an Ellie or live long enough to become a Joel.

[Pissy F Benny]

mmTERFsu

[Joe Molotov]

but if thats all it takes to be trans now? 😂 Yeah I now identify as a woman guys, not gonna get my dick cut off or anything similar, I just want people to adress me as a female.

You should start identifying as an attack helicopter, that's always a good one. 

[Pissy F Benny]

there i was thinking the dutch were the open minded liberals of yurrp

[SmokyDave]

At the end of the day, does it affect any of your lives at all?

Who cares?

This is where I land. I don't need to understand it, any more than I need someone to understand why I collect old scale models. If it ain't hurting you, don't fret.

That said, if someone wants to use their status to bolster their opinions, I might be inclined to be a little more critical and questioning. Just don't be a dick, and the rest is none of my business.

[Lonewulfeus]

That’ll be an unironic at Mmarsu from me dawg. 

[Uncle]

At the end of the day, does it affect any of your lives at all?

Who cares?

you could make an argument about what era likes to go on about all the time, normalizing it, aka slippery slope

it's like asking "why do you care if people support trump and wear maga hats, how does that actually affect your lives at all, who cares, let them do what they want as long as they aren't antagonizing you personally, it's not like their private hopes for america will have a real effect"

you care because enough of them create a wave of sentiment that leads to certain behaviors and cultural change, including their opinions being considered on the legislative level

same applies to this stuff

maybe you don't want to get to the point where you have to hyper scrutinize every person you see to try to judge how tf to refer to them because they're going to jump down your throat if you happen to choose the wrong pronoun

you don't want to risk losing your job every time you refer to a customer because if you call them the wrong thing it's going on twitter and you're getting fired

it's not prevalent enough yet that it's a major concern, but it could be

if someone just presents as what they want to be referred to, there's no confusion (this doesn't apply to the decision to get a dick or not), and if all this enables aerogender and floragender and fler/flim which you CAN'T present as and yet still throw public fits about, fuck that



sure, maybe this idea of normalization is unrealistic, but if one such slippery slope should be considered unrealistic then I guess all the others are too

[Lonewulfeus]

At the end of the day, does it affect any of your lives at all?

Who cares?

you could make an argument about what era likes to go on about all the time, normalizing it, aka slippery slope

it's like asking "why do you care if people support trump and wear maga hats, how does that actually affect your lives at all, who cares, let them do what they want as long as they aren't antagonizing you personally, it's not like their private hopes for america will have a real effect"

you care because enough of them create a wave of sentiment that leads to certain behaviors and cultural change, including their opinions being considered on the legislative level

same applies to this stuff

maybe you don't want to get to the point where you have to hyper scrutinize every person you see to try to judge how tf to refer to them because they're going to jump down your throat if you happen to choose the wrong pronoun

you don't want to risk losing your job every time you refer to a customer because if you call them the wrong thing it's going on twitter and you're getting fired

it's not prevalent enough yet that it's a major concern, but it could be


sure, maybe that's unrealistic, but if one such slippery slope should be considered unrealistic then I guess all the others are too

If being trans is so common that you have to scrutinize every person you meet just use nongendered pronouns.  It’s not rocket science

[Uncle]

If being trans is so common that you have to scrutinize every person you meet just use nongendered pronouns.  It’s not rocket science

we're at the point where some people get upset about calling someone "them/their," it's a dogwhistle that you refuse to call them by the correct gender which is clearly identified in their user profile if you'd take the 2 seconds to look at it

like what, does the word "her" turn to ash in your mouth?  what's this third person dodgy crap

[Lonewulfeus]

I can kind of understand that on a forum like resetera where your pronouns are listed, but people don’t go around with a name tag that says hi my pronouns are x/y.  No one reasonable is gonna jump down your throat for using genderless pronouns in an attempt not to offend.  I still think resetera assumes intentional misgendering when it’s mostly just ignorance and ignorance can be educated.

Your scenario also assumes that trans people are created by seeing other trans people rather than just being born that way.  I’m pretty sure early on during the push for gay civil rights people made the exact same arguments that the whole world would turn gay if it became acceptable and that humanity would die off from lack of procreation.

[Uncle]

I firmly believe in live and let live, none of any of this matters until it gets to the point where it actually affects you...and someone actively getting angry at you and seeking to do you harm counts as it affecting you, which is a step too far

it's your responsibility to try to generally be an affable accepting person, and it's everyone else's responsibility to not jump to the worst possible conclusion about you if you make an innocent mistake

if I see elliot coming out and I say "hey good for them" and that puts me on the societal the track to being cancelled for not saying "him," the people judging me for that are not also participating in good faith live-and-let-live

Your scenario also assumes that trans people are created by seeing other trans people rather than just being born that way.

well, let's go down this road:

the ability to simply say you're whatever gender you want opened the door to things like graygender, I think most people would agree that a lot of those are either made up or at least very performative

but along those lines, you could also argue that our ideas of male and female gender are just as made up

so how can someone be born with a gender whose expression is fully manufactured by society?

are you arguing for "male brains" and "female brains?"

[Lonewulfeus]

I firmly believe in live and let live, none of any of this matters until it gets to the point where it actually affects you...and someone actively getting angry at you and seeking to do you harm counts as it affecting you, which is a step too far

it's your responsibility to try to generally be an affable accepting person, and it's everyone else's responsibility to not jump to the worst possible conclusion about you if you make an innocent mistake

if I see elliot coming out and I say "hey good for them" and that puts me on the societal the track to being cancelled for not saying "him," the people judging me for that are not also participating in good faith live-and-let-live

Your scenario also assumes that trans people are created by seeing other trans people rather than just being born that way.

well, let's go down this road:

the ability to simply say you're whatever gender you want opened the door to things like graygender, I think most people would agree that a lot of those are either made up or at least very performative

but along those lines, you could also argue that our ideas of male and female gender are just as made up

so how can someone be born with a gender whose expression is fully manufactured by society?

are you arguing for "male brains" and "female brains?"

There is ample scientific evidence that male and female brains have subtle differences and work differently.  That’s not to say one is better than the other because it’s not.  I’m certainly not advocating for people who identify as animals or an alien or things like that.  Every movement has it’s wackos but I’m not gonna condemn everyone based on a few crazy people.  No employer is going to recognize furry as a gender and fire you because you refused to use the name of someone’s fursona.

What genders are fully manufactured by society?  Who’s being actively harmed by unintentional misgendering?  Your scenario feels like something your seeing happen on resetera or twitter and not in the real world.

[Coffee Dog]

I don't really think a trans person going pronoun police on you in a casual interaction or service position will really happen in the real world. Resetera histrionics become "xir this is a Wendy's" quite fast in an environment that is not specifically catering to them  Even if you fuck up their pronouns, they will likely just deal with it themselves, silently, like they always have.

[joeboy101]

On topic:

No, I wouldn't cast my money at CDPR at this point. I have been vocal about my disappointment in having been hyped for the game and wishing there weren't the issues there are with it, so that I could be as excited by it as most here though. Since the main post went up and blew up a tad I've had a couple of people extend existing codes to be able to see the game for myself, and whether there's any justification for it on top of giving a trans perspective on what is there to some comprehensive degree. Good or bad; the latter including whether the game is as lacking in said justification as the concern currently is. So obviously there's a curiosity to be able to see for myself whether that 1% I held out for it to be grounded in some sense is validated in any way, or the extent of how far they run with any trans related themes. There's a reason why I've wanted CDPR to actually showcase how they're handling the themes with nuance and tact in a way they clearly haven't bothered to. The scope and potential for a game reaching such a broad audience to actually do right by themes that would be a natural fit is huge, which is why it's, in part, so irritating to see that not only potentially squandered, but actively opposed.

I'm also genuinely curious as to the performance in general as I think it'd be kind of shitty to sell a product that has glaring flaws just because it's been delayed for so long we've now crossed into a new generation. I think aspects like a lack of crowd density significantly take from whatever environment they've been touting too, so it would be kind of wild to have versions that were just dead of life in an alleged "megalopolis".

Thank you for the response as I was also caught off guard by your comments in this thread.

However, I still feel like this reasoning comes off half-hearted and does a disservice to the stance you have staunchly taken elsewhere on Era. In fact, I actually canceled my pre-order based on the information shared so I am very much surprised you are still considering playing the game. The justification of you receiving a free code so you're money does not go to CDPR is a poor excuse - how many of your fellow members would love to be in that situation (especially those with canceled orders)? If you truly want to see how the game plays and case judgements, there will be plenty of reviews and streams to make your discernment, after all?

Further, what do you expect to get out of actually experiencing the game? Are you hoping to change your mind? If so, will you edit the mega thread after the call outs and initial blowback has already been done? We certainly did not give them the benefit of the date prior to release and I have a hard time believing anything in the game itself would erase previous insensitivity from CDPR.

I also bring this up based on a back and forth you are still having with another user in the stickied thread; I have a hard time seeing how both of your dialogues can come from the same point of view.

Kyuuji cancelled?

[MMaRsu]

That’ll be an unironic at Mmarsu from me dawg.

Im still in the position where if it makes people happy, let them do whatever they want

but on the other hand I dont 'get' how you can just call yourself a dude and bam you're supposed to be a dude.

Like hmmk that doesnt make any sense to me whatsoever.

[Uncle]

There is ample scientific evidence that male and female brains have subtle differences and work differently.  That’s not to say one is better than the other because it’s not.  I’m certainly not advocating for people who identify as animals or an alien or things like that.  Every movement has it’s wackos but I’m not gonna condemn everyone based on a few crazy people.  No employer is going to recognize furry as a gender and fire you because you refused to use the name of someone’s fursona.

but they can and do already recognize the genders of trans people and fire because of intentional or unintentional misgendering and deadnaming, regardless of how that person chooses to outwardly present

I am not arguing that they shouldn't do this, just for the well being of all their employees, but when asking the question "how does this actually affect you, who cares," this counts as it actually affecting people in real life

as far as employers recognizing furry as a gender, james damore's google lawsuit referred to an employee running an internal identity seminar who sexually identified as a wingless dragonkin and another who identified as an ornate building, so I guess they're on board

What genders are fully manufactured by society?  Who’s being actively harmed by unintentional misgendering?  Your scenario feels like something your seeing happen on resetera or twitter and not in the real world.

twitter affects the real world

granted, this woman was more-or-less stating her intent to misgender, but reading what she said doesn't give the impression she had actually done the deed toward anyone, nor that she was being abusive toward a specific person

she just held an "absolutist view not worthy of respect in democratic society"

[jorma]

angry kyuuji: fuck cdpr, fuck cyberpunk, fuck mike pondsmith, fuck everyone who is hyped for this game, fuck anyone who doesn't cancel their preorder and especially FUCK YOU

BASED kyuuji: yeah, i have a key so i'll be playing cyberpunk when it releases 

[thetylerrob]

She really went on a crusade about how you could definitely pre judge the game and even the people that made the game and now she's saying she'll wait and see?
Was it all a grift to get a free code for the game? 

What an absolute fuckin legend, that's what I call a pro gamer move.

[BIONIC]

I think some people really understimate the crushing sense of frustration there is around things like this. It fucking sucks honestly and I'll iterate again that it's all so needless. People think I don't see the collectors edition pictures and think the book cover looks awesome, that the signature strip a nice touch. That feeling an onus to highlight the issues with the game belies a total hatred of it instead of a fermenting irritation that it would be much easier – and better for literally everyone; you all, me and others with concerns, and even CDPR – to just not have this bullshit and to post about how cool elements look and have cause to pay no more mind to it than most other games.

https://twitter.com/tylerthecreator/status/285670822264307712

[Pissy F Benny]