USA Politics Thread |OT| Son of a bitch!

[nudemacusers]

we just need a band of BIPOC porn wenches to suck the racism out of everyone's dick in america.

[Boredfrom]

I see we're on the hunky dory/kumbaya level of pseudo-intellectualism stage regarding change and positivity.  Some of you live in very curated bubbles and perspectives. If someone spends decades believing in hateful and fantastical narratives for decades, the chance of that person changing is incredibly slim.

Of course, but in the end you also don’t exactly know the background of most people. And for better or worse, in history  is not like people just woke up one day and just said “being racist is bad”.

I don’t think is exactly wrong shame racist or calling them out but this past 6-7 years have also been Kind of worrying in what people consider racist and whiling to marginalize.

I did not argue that people don't change with life experience or that people can't change.  In fact, that was actually my very argument - that they can change their views after having a different life experience which often comes from the normalization of whatever they were against, and not because they were reasoned into changing their mind.

I kind of agree with this notion, but I suspect it probably helps way more that you think pointing out is entirely irrational being racist.

[thetylerrob]

Why not just support censorship of hate speech while also keeping it in mind that it's not good that huge corporations have this much power to dictate the conversation online? Do yall really not see how this stuff could set a dangerous precedent?   

[team filler]

Anytime I hear psyops I think

I always think of the one guy we had here who kept going on about psyops. loved that guy 

[james]

Guys help, Twitter has deleted at least 10k of my followers.

Im not sure how many I had, but my current number says 62 followers and thats clearly not accurate since Ive been active on Twitter for years. 

[Boredfrom]

Why not just support censorship of hate speech while also keeping it in mind that it's not good that huge corporations have this much power to dictate the conversation online? Do yall really not see how this stuff could set a dangerous precedent?   

Probably because many people actually wish their side could control the online discourse. How many times in this forum we pointed and laugh in how much ERA wants to have China Internet laws?

Is not like Trumptards are talking in good faith about “Free speech” either given Trump demands of loyalty and the republican push to “moderate social media”.

[Madrun Badrun]

I trust Twitter and Google way more than the US government.   I'm all for stronger government regulation of social/regular media in terms of discourse and fack checking but the issue is half the US government is the problem.  Ted Cruz and Fox News are the problem.  Currently, I think it's easier to force Twitter, through money and social pressure, to be a good regulating body than it is for the government to be one.   In any other western country, you'd be right though.  And you can talk about dangerous precedent but this is a dangerous time now and action needs to be taken.  If Twitter is the one to step up, well that's just how crap the situation is.  Honestly, the leeway social media companies get to act like this is going to run out is a few months so I'm happy for them to push left while they can. 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I see we're on the hunky dory/kumbaya level of pseudo-intellectualism stage regarding change and positivity.  Some of you live in very curated bubbles and perspectives. If someone spends decades believing in hateful and fantastical narratives for decades, the chance of that person changing is incredibly slim.

Right, but if you're being that reductionist about anti-social mentalities and behaviours anyway, you can extend that to what is the point in providing education in prison, because recidivism is never going to be 100% solvable as there will always be career criminals who enjoy that life, or what is the point of having drug rehabilitation centres because addiction is never going to be 100% solvable because there will always be unrepentant junkies.

Sure, its much cheaper and easier to just sack off portions of society that display aberrant behaviours, but that's pretty much the right wing approach to fixing society and helping those who can still be helped.
Fuck 'em if they can't bootstrap their own rehabilitation.

[Boredfrom]

I trust Twitter and Google way more than the US government.   I'm all for stronger government regulation of social/regular media in terms of discourse and fack checking but the issue is half the US government is the problem.  Ted Cruz and Fox News are the problem.  Currently, I think it's easier to force Twitter, through money and social pressure, to be a good regulating body than it is for the government to be one.   In any other western country, you'd be right though.  And you can talk about dangerous precedent but this is a dangerous time now and action needs to be taken.  If Twitter is the one to step up, well that's just how crap the situation is.  Honestly, the leeway social media companies get to act like this is going to run out is a few months so I'm happy for them to push left while they can.

Man, what a weird twist of American exceptionalism.

Is too bad the we, the World, tend to follow suit regardless of your unique situations. Especially given most tech giants are US companies.

[Madrun Badrun]

I see we're on the hunky dory/kumbaya level of pseudo-intellectualism stage regarding change and positivity.  Some of you live in very curated bubbles and perspectives. If someone spends decades believing in hateful and fantastical narratives for decades, the chance of that person changing is incredibly slim.

Right, but if you're being that reductionist about anti-social mentalities and behaviours anyway, you can extend that to what is the point in providing education in prison, because recidivism is never going to be 100% solvable as there will always be career criminals who enjoy that life, or what is the point of having drug rehabilitation centres because addiction is never going to be 100% solvable because there will always be unrepentant junkies.

Sure, its much cheaper and easier to just sack off portions of society that display aberrant behaviours, but that's pretty much the right wing approach to fixing society and helping those who can still be helped.
Fuck 'em if they can't bootstrap their own rehabilitation.

That is a wild extrapolation

[Madrun Badrun]

I trust Twitter and Google way more than the US government.   I'm all for stronger government regulation of social/regular media in terms of discourse and fack checking but the issue is half the US government is the problem.  Ted Cruz and Fox News are the problem.  Currently, I think it's easier to force Twitter, through money and social pressure, to be a good regulating body than it is for the government to be one.   In any other western country, you'd be right though.  And you can talk about dangerous precedent but this is a dangerous time now and action needs to be taken.  If Twitter is the one to step up, well that's just how crap the situation is.  Honestly, the leeway social media companies get to act like this is going to run out is a few months so I'm happy for them to push left while they can.

Man, what a weird twist of American exceptionalism.

Is too bad the we, the World, tend to follow suit regardless of your unique situations. Especially given most tech giants are US companies.

It's not American Exceptionalism, it's exceptional that the US government is in the state it is in.  I literally said I approve of stronger government regulations of social media in lieu of them monitoring themselves when I have more trust in the government than the company.  If Twitter, Google, and Facebook, sat down with the Dems in the next few months and hashed out regulations I'd be all for it.   

[Boredfrom]

I think you guys should start first with having anti hate speech laws and set in stone before demanding Tech giants stuff just that we can finally separate Free Speech and Hate Speech and people stop using as an excuse/scapegoat at social media.

[thetylerrob]

Just want to say I don't disagree with the current move to censor the Trump faction, as I think the terrorist attack is a pretty clear line that has been crossed. You're right that desperate times call for desperate measures.

I also think that Facebook/Zuckerberg is largely to blame for the radicalization of most of the struggling middle-class Trump folks and big tech going out of their way to censor this stuff is about equivalent to the recent Trump cabinet resignations 2 weeks before he's out anyway.

[headwalk]

people putting their trust in publicly traded corporations to protect their freedoms is the natural progression of america.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

The internet war has begun.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CopingMAGA/status/1348676046728605700

Save us from this tyranny Comcast and Time Warner.

[EchoRin]

People will be pissed when they can't use Google Maps.

[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/pence-impeachment.html

[zomgee]

https://www.state.gov/biographies/donald-j-trump/

 :'(

[james]

https://www.state.gov/biographies/donald-j-trump/

 :'(

F

[Joe Molotov]

[EchoRin]

As far as Trump is concerned on his ban from Twitter. Too bad. Being on Twitter and tweeting isn't a right. There are rules on Twitter that he broke, constantly. Luckily for him for the longest time he was afforded more leeway because he was in a position of power, that being the US President. Even if nothing had happened in the last week he was still going to be held to private citizen standards on Twitter after his presidency concluded.

Due to his complete recklessness in terms of how he used Twitter he got the boot. Probably a choice that they wouldn't have taken a year or two ago? Sure. I can believe that if he was to be president again, he would not have been banned. Inciting violence through Twitter as his presidency comes to an end. Well yeah it's easier to accumulate all those fractions from before and on top of that point to the attack on the Capitol Building to say that this is the end for Trump's Twitter account.

If there is some law in the future that says "massive social media companies must allow all governmental officials a platform regardless of how they use it", then fine. For now they have their own private rules. So I'm not sorry for Donald Trump losing access to Twitter, nor do I see this as a slippery slope. It took so so many strikes to get to this point. You struck out.

[zomgee]

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1348725601335717889

 

[nudemacusers]

The internet war has begun.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CopingMAGA/status/1348676046728605700

Save us from this tyranny Comcast and Time Warner.

oh, north idaho? surprised they don't office KKK discounts.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/BeschlossDC/status/1348723955096580097

I sure hope this pilot isn't part of #teamdisgruntled

[zomgee]

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1348725601335717889

 

the bore scooped them

[T-Short]

This was a nice write-up, I thought

https://newrepublic.com/article/160846/die-laughing-capitol

Any attempt to use some kind of a checklist to determine if all of this should be taken seriously as either a coup or some stable definition of fascism runs the risk of obscuring the incoherence, dynamism, and fundamental danger of these movements. It was “inchoate fascism, fascism in its experimental, speculative phase,” the writer Richard Seymour observed last week. This sense of process—that fascism is a living thing and not some page copied out of a history book—is useful. A lot is happening at once, and not always intentionally.

...

An off-duty police officer from Pennsylvania, who identified himself only as Jeff, told The New York Times that he went to the Capitol last week without a clear sense of what would happen or what he would do when he got there. He intended to be adaptable. “There’s a lot of people here willing to take orders,” he said. “If the orders are given, the people will rise up.”

[Boredfrom]

While I fault leftist stupid way that let the alt right co-opt terms, at this point is kind of difficult to argue that republicans claiming “free speech” is not a dog whistle and not actually care.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Can we really say we live in a free society if Lin Wood can’t post death threats against elected officials?

[james]

Nintex, Im hearing from my Dutch contacts that martial law was declared in the US and we're under a communications block.

Can you confirm?

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/1348694943905308672

 

[Madrun Badrun]

Good.  I hope this will act as a signal for other social media companies to ban other GOP persons.

[Tuckers Law]

TIL that free speech wasn’t a thing until social media was created.

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/marenaltman/status/1346925368238739456


https://twitter.com/marenaltman/status/1348744212074934274

 

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/MelissaBlasius/status/1348740338827939841


 

[zomgee]

i mean if he was a real republican he would be eating big macs and other hamberders and shrimps


so therefore antifa

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/JoshWTSP/status/1348755992981467138

[james]

A better lawyer would acuse the photographer of being antifa

[Madrun Badrun]

Did he un-ginger himself?

edit: Oh that's the attorney derp

TBF his attorney looks like his mug shot.  ...Actually, I think I have an idea for an alt-right dating app.  Better late than never to get in on the fleece. 

[Madrun Badrun]

Maybe I can call it No Fly Friends  TM. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Pretty Fly for a No Fly Guy didn't work but I like it.

[close]

[Nintex]

Chad resigned
https://twitter.com/saraecook/status/1348755003272523776

[zomgee]

"I'm proud we've accomplished so much in... (looks at calendar) 14 months. Truly in that limited amount of time I was able to accomplish so much to make this country markedly and demonstrably safer. I will remember all of you so fondly from the first day I met you to 60 days later when you all were sent to work from home. I'll never forget you overbite, forehead, nose whistle, beardo, black guy, sniffles, and the rest."

[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/qanon-lauren-boebert-nancy-pelosi-capitol-riot-b1785663.html

[Tasty]

EXCLUSIVE: Failed Screenwriter from New Jersey Behind One of QAnon’s Most Influential Personas



Damn competition is heating up.

[Tasty]

[Joe Molotov]

The Qanon orbit seems to be made entirely of failed screenwriters, movie producers (sup, Steve Bannon!), reality TV stars, and of course failsons.

[Nintex]

Qanon reminds me of that movie Memento.
"You can be my John G"

The protagonist deliberately keeps creating new rabbit holes for himself to chase despite knowing it will only lead to more rabbit holes.
Qanon works the same way, if you're convinced a tweet or timestamps contain hidden codes, then you can read 'anything' in such tweets or posts.

[zomgee]

Wow Belichick turned down the Presidential Medal of Freedom because of the riots. Trump is not taking it well:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump

[nudemacusers]

The Qanon orbit seems to be made entirely of failed screenwriters, movie producers (sup, Steve Bannon!), reality TV stars, and of course failsons.

i was trying to think of chud movie ppl and the only one i could think of was james wood and sure enough

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what a pussy ass bitch

[BIONIC]

The Qanon orbit seems to be made entirely of failed screenwriters, movie producers (sup, Steve Bannon!), reality TV stars, and of course failsons.

Nintex is a successful small-business owner 

[james]

I'm hearing the pope has been arrested and there taking down the internet soon

God speed everyone

 

(read up on the latest Q stuff guys they're in Jonestown territory)

[james]

I'm hearing Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton have been arrested as well.

When Trump speaks tomorrow, pay attention.

He will either be real and declare martial law or be a deep fake and not declare martial law.

If he's fake he's dead and someone else has taken over. Possibly Nintex?

[BIONIC]

https://twitter.com/mcgarnical/status/1348623088485744641

[Uncle]

I grew up watching sesame street and it seemed like every other character on that show had the same last name as robert, what does that tell us

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

https://mobile.twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1348979515796688896

 

[Joe Molotov]

fillerfillerrellif

[Cauliflower Of Love]

heh

Asked by reporters on Tuesday about whether he held any "personal responsibility" over the tragedy that beset the Capitol last week, Trump replied, "If you read my speech, and many people have done it and I've seen it both in the papers and in the media, on television, it's been analyzed and people thought that what I said was totally appropriate."

"Everybody to a 'T' thought it was totally appropriate," Trump said.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1349018312471179264

He's back
 

[HaughtyFrank]

https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1348854246662426625


"Second term"

[team filler]

https://mobile.twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1348979515796688896