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« Reply #1620 on: January 10, 2021, 07:41:30 PM »
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I thought that the model wouldn’t be Richie Rich—the complaining, lying, doesn’t-take-responsibility-for-anything type of figure.

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« Reply #1621 on: January 10, 2021, 07:41:49 PM »
Trump epitomises American culture which has always been about winning at all costs, the ends justifying the means, and using wealth and power to bully others into submission.

The myth of American manhood in that quote is entirely a construct of Hollywood and never existed. The reality is more Gordon Gekko than Clint Eastwood.
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« Reply #1622 on: January 10, 2021, 08:16:18 PM »
I have to admit that when I imagined what it would look like if a right-wing populist was ever elected as president of the United States, I didn't picture someone so atheistic they didn't know a single bible verse or someone who would show contempt for dead american soldiers. If you listen to Republicans speak, that's not who they claim they want.

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« Reply #1625 on: January 10, 2021, 08:38:34 PM »
Jesus why the fucking music

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« Reply #1626 on: January 10, 2021, 08:42:39 PM »
Now he's holding a sword

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« Reply #1627 on: January 10, 2021, 09:40:38 PM »
The nice thing about restricting brainwashed anti-deep staters to snail mail, Fox News, and in-person gatherings is we currently don’t have bots that can attend them as rapidly as twitter threads.

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« Reply #1628 on: January 10, 2021, 10:20:43 PM »
Now he's holding a sword
That's not just any sword. That's his sword from Conan the Barbarian.
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« Reply #1630 on: January 10, 2021, 11:22:29 PM »
Popcorn and minecraft on tap boys
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« Reply #1632 on: January 11, 2021, 12:14:30 AM »
it's a little alarming that the mere idea of being pro free speech is now going to be considered an alt right dogwhistle

like imagine you start a new social media service of some kind, like a reddit alternative, you don't have a specific political target audience in mind you're just kind of frustrated with the way reddit deals with things and you think you can do better

you have decent moderation policies in place and don't allow conspiracy theories or planning for violence, but in general you want to allow people to be themselves and speak their mind, ideally without being hateful

you can't list among your features that you aim to be a "free speech" platform anymore, because "everybody knows" what you're actually doing and who you're actually catering towards, even if you're not
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« Reply #1633 on: January 11, 2021, 01:19:08 AM »

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« Reply #1634 on: January 11, 2021, 01:24:35 AM »
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1348458140258488322

too bad the qanon shaman didn't get ahold of this bish :pacspit
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« Reply #1635 on: January 11, 2021, 01:27:15 AM »
it's a little alarming that the mere idea of being pro free speech is now going to be considered an alt right dogwhistle

like imagine you start a new social media service of some kind, like a reddit alternative, you don't have a specific political target audience in mind you're just kind of frustrated with the way reddit deals with things and you think you can do better

you have decent moderation policies in place and don't allow conspiracy theories or planning for violence, but in general you want to allow people to be themselves and speak their mind, ideally without being hateful

you can't list among your features that you aim to be a "free speech" platform anymore, because "everybody knows" what you're actually doing and who you're actually catering towards, even if you're not

You should also blame Republicans for that one.

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« Reply #1637 on: January 11, 2021, 01:33:00 AM »
she had over 50k followers?

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« Reply #1639 on: January 11, 2021, 02:18:09 AM »
I like how the political class are complains about free speech and twitter followers. Only if the left were willing to call them out of their BS without the laziness  “HURR HURR PRIVATE COMPANY”.

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« Reply #1640 on: January 11, 2021, 04:22:10 AM »
Jesus why the fucking music

At first I was thinking the same, but then remembered that Arnold is a man who unashamedly embraces his corny side.

What a legend.

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« Reply #1643 on: January 11, 2021, 06:40:21 AM »
it's a little alarming that the mere idea of being pro free speech is now going to be considered an alt right dogwhistle

like imagine you start a new social media service of some kind, like a reddit alternative, you don't have a specific political target audience in mind you're just kind of frustrated with the way reddit deals with things and you think you can do better

you have decent moderation policies in place and don't allow conspiracy theories or planning for violence, but in general you want to allow people to be themselves and speak their mind, ideally without being hateful

you can't list among your features that you aim to be a "free speech" platform anymore, because "everybody knows" what you're actually doing and who you're actually catering towards, even if you're not

You should also blame Republicans for that one.

in general it always takes two to tango, the left is the side constantly focusing on whether what you've said means you're secretly X or Y, using the idea of dogwhistles and implications to come to absolutely definitely true conclusions about anything

but besides that it doesn't matter whose fault anything is

like I don't know what you're trying to say here, it's republicans' fault we lost free speech therefore I should be in favor of silencing all their speech and obliterating them?  it goes back to what was being discussed earlier, it's not about giving someone what they "deserve," it's about taking the best action, and this is a tenet that needs to be defended, especially when it's most under attack

there was a time when the left were the free speech advocates and it was an issue that needed to cut across party lines then, and it still should now
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« Reply #1644 on: January 11, 2021, 07:35:29 AM »
Save all the free speech shit for when the government is cracking down on people because it doesn't apply to companies of any kind silencing voices or types of rhetoric. Being deplatformed by big tech companies isn't a free speech issue, nor is various companies saying they won't do business with Republicans who pushed the election fraud stories, or companies saying we won't work with you if you hire Trump press secretaries. They're suffering from the consequences of what their governmental free speech rights allowed them to put out into the world.

it kind of is

at some point you have to evaluate what it actually means to have speech

"b-but private companies making their own private decisions" only goes so far until you're saying that for ALL types of speech, often even including what can be said in the real world

the refrain is "if you don't like that you got banned then make your own company where you're allowed to say what you want," but now payment processors and web hosts are private companies making their own private decisions to prevent your company from even getting off the ground

it doesn't matter what your policies are, it matters what they say your policies ought to be, or you're not going to be able to establish and maintain that private company



and this isn't about lamenting that republicans are getting their shit kicked in for being assholes, this is about the precedent it sets moving forward, which is that all that exists now is all that should ever exist wrt "speech" online

you have reddit, you have twitter, and any new forums are implicit attempts to circumvent the things they don't let you say, painting a massive target on your back
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« Reply #1645 on: January 11, 2021, 07:43:53 AM »
I know americans get hung up on 'free speech' as a constitutional issue relating specifically to government oversight, rather than the underlying principle of free speech and powerful entities being able to silence individuals, so don't look at it as a free speech issue.

Look at it as a net neutrality issue.
Are you for net neutrality, for all the reasoning behind it, or are you against it and happy to allow corporations to decide for you what does and doesn't get bandwidth?

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« Reply #1646 on: January 11, 2021, 07:43:56 AM »
That still isn't a free speech issue, which is specifically related to the government's ability to silence citizens.

then define the issue

the semantics of what you choose to call it matter less than what it is
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« Reply #1647 on: January 11, 2021, 07:50:13 AM »


like imagine you start a new social media service of some kind...

you have decent moderation policies in place and don't allow conspiracy theories or planning for violence...

No you don't.
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« Reply #1648 on: January 11, 2021, 07:51:48 AM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/BirdRespecter/status/1348557067351519234
wait you had to show you license to get 'verified'? and 'terk er jerbs' nutjobs still signed up for this? beginning to think these guys just like being owned.  :brain
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« Reply #1649 on: January 11, 2021, 07:57:53 AM »
I think some of y'all are addicted to gay dog porn or something with how hard this freedom of speech discussion is going.
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« Reply #1650 on: January 11, 2021, 08:02:00 AM »
I think some of y'all are addicted to gay dog porn or something with how hard this freedom of speech discussion is going.
no laws against barking FIRE in a crowded cum dungeon :drool



also some rando on my facebook posted this and told everyone to follow suit:



hang your phone's ass out to own the libs
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« Reply #1651 on: January 11, 2021, 08:04:57 AM »
i wish i had insane american yahoo maga rubes as friends on facebook, maybe i'd actually open that shit for once :doge
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« Reply #1652 on: January 11, 2021, 08:28:41 AM »
Save all the free speech shit for when the government is cracking down on people because it doesn't apply to companies of any kind silencing voices or types of rhetoric. Being deplatformed by big tech companies isn't a free speech issue, nor is various companies saying they won't do business with Republicans who pushed the election fraud stories, or companies saying we won't work with you if you hire Trump press secretaries. They're suffering from the consequences of what their governmental free speech rights allowed them to put out into the world.

It's a bit more complicated than that. Sure, in theory, social media can allow or ban whatever they want, but they also claim to be "platforms" as a means to protect themselves from legal responsibility. If they ban people based on content that isn't clearly and obviously illegal, they stop being neutral, which means they can no longer claim to be a communication platform - they'll become a publication. So they'll have to take responsibility for any and all content on their platform. Which essentially means the end of social media as we know it. That might also apply to hosting companies like AWS or store fronts like the Play Store. Now whether that's a net positive or negative I don't know, nor does it really matter. At the end of the day, the reason postal services don't get blamed for mail bombs is that they don't know, and aren't supposed to know, what they deliver.

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« Reply #1653 on: January 11, 2021, 09:45:08 AM »

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« Reply #1654 on: January 11, 2021, 10:04:24 AM »
I think some of y'all are addicted to gay dog porn or something with how hard this freedom of speech discussion is going.
no laws against barking FIRE in a crowded cum dungeon :drool



also some rando on my facebook posted this and told everyone to follow suit:

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hang your phone's ass out to own the libs

This is just like when Nazi Germany updated everyone's cell phones in 1938. George Orwell warned us about this!. :rage
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« Reply #1655 on: January 11, 2021, 10:07:07 AM »
if you think this is tyranny, wait until america's first dictator takes over next week :heh
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« Reply #1656 on: January 11, 2021, 10:17:06 AM »
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« Reply #1658 on: January 11, 2021, 10:58:14 AM »
it's a little alarming that the mere idea of being pro free speech is now going to be considered an alt right dogwhistle

like imagine you start a new social media service of some kind, like a reddit alternative, you don't have a specific political target audience in mind you're just kind of frustrated with the way reddit deals with things and you think you can do better

you have decent moderation policies in place and don't allow conspiracy theories or planning for violence, but in general you want to allow people to be themselves and speak their mind, ideally without being hateful

you can't list among your features that you aim to be a "free speech" platform anymore, because "everybody knows" what you're actually doing and who you're actually catering towards, even if you're not

What are you alarmed about exactly?

that the mere idea of being pro free speech is now going to be considered an alt right dogwhistle
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« Reply #1659 on: January 11, 2021, 11:01:16 AM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/BirdRespecter/status/1348557067351519234

This is just utter BS BTW.

Scroll down a bit and people link to what is actually going on.   Someone created a tool to archive Parler; meaning it's just web scraping the public content.

edit: It's possible the archiving found some accidentally public data.. but that seems unlikely, and the Reddit post is almost certainly just a bunch of BS.. the archive site is just a hobby thing for some programmers who list their names publicly, what's described in the reddit post would be highly illegal, so would be unlikely to be something people would be advertising with their real names

my faith in Bird Respecter has been irreparably damaged :fbm
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« Reply #1660 on: January 11, 2021, 11:40:17 AM »
it's a little alarming that the mere idea of being pro free speech is now going to be considered an alt right dogwhistle

like imagine you start a new social media service of some kind, like a reddit alternative, you don't have a specific political target audience in mind you're just kind of frustrated with the way reddit deals with things and you think you can do better

you have decent moderation policies in place and don't allow conspiracy theories or planning for violence, but in general you want to allow people to be themselves and speak their mind, ideally without being hateful

you can't list among your features that you aim to be a "free speech" platform anymore, because "everybody knows" what you're actually doing and who you're actually catering towards, even if you're not

What are you alarmed about exactly?

that the mere idea of being pro free speech is now going to be considered an alt right dogwhistle

Of things to be concerned about, this ranks close to the bottom  :lol

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« Reply #1661 on: January 11, 2021, 11:55:24 AM »
it's a little alarming that the mere idea of being pro free speech is now going to be considered an alt right dogwhistle

like imagine you start a new social media service of some kind, like a reddit alternative, you don't have a specific political target audience in mind you're just kind of frustrated with the way reddit deals with things and you think you can do better

you have decent moderation policies in place and don't allow conspiracy theories or planning for violence, but in general you want to allow people to be themselves and speak their mind, ideally without being hateful

you can't list among your features that you aim to be a "free speech" platform anymore, because "everybody knows" what you're actually doing and who you're actually catering towards, even if you're not

What are you alarmed about exactly?

that the mere idea of being pro free speech is now going to be considered an alt right dogwhistle

That's the way it's always been. If defending free speech were easy, it wouldn't need defending.


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« Reply #1663 on: January 11, 2021, 12:00:10 PM »
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« Reply #1664 on: January 11, 2021, 12:06:16 PM »
And yet it's certainly the left that gets the hardest crackdowns and push back on their usage of free speech throughout the history of this country. Conservatives talk a big game about free speech but never do shit to actually defend it and in fact abuse it and use it as a pretense to deny minorities, well, just about anything.

You shouldn't forget that the biggest shame of that history isn't that progressive people were denied the opportunity to speak, it's the fact that conservatives were denied the chance to listen.

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« Reply #1665 on: January 11, 2021, 12:16:42 PM »
How is a racist supposed to change their opinion if every single person they hear speaking about racism is a racist?  Or someone born into a religious family before the 20th century? Or born in China today? Free speech is much more valuable to the objectionable than to the objector.

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« Reply #1666 on: January 11, 2021, 12:17:18 PM »
https://twitter.com/nycjim/status/1348615076534738945

https://twitter.com/nycjim/status/1348616372423712771


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« Reply #1667 on: January 11, 2021, 12:21:41 PM »
And yet it's certainly the left that gets the hardest crackdowns and push back on their usage of free speech throughout the history of this country. Conservatives talk a big game about free speech but never do shit to actually defend it and in fact abuse it and use it as a pretense to deny minorities, well, just about anything.

right, that's why it needs defending, the left is always getting pushed back on for their use of it but suddenly we don't care about something that mattered for so long, just because it's expedient in the moment, or just because we get to give someone else what they "deserve"

as usual it's the short-sightedness that comes back to bite later when the same thing is eventually wielded against us from another angle
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« Reply #1668 on: January 11, 2021, 12:23:33 PM »
User: Uncle sticking up for racist uncles

sure, it's always about divining someone's secret evil motivations than examining an issue on its face, for what it is
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« Reply #1669 on: January 11, 2021, 12:26:38 PM »
You do not reason a racist out of being a racist.  No racist ever said, I have read your essay from thesis statement to the conclusion and you know, maybe I was wrong about black people.  What you do is shame them into silence, marginalize their view, and normalize whatever they are afraid of to the point where they can look back and go well I guess X group is fine.  Look at gay rights.  The bigots were not reasoned into acceptance.  They were silenced, and then, once LGB people were given the freedom to be out after 10-20 years of seeing gay people on TV, and in the streets, and being their coworkers and neighbors they can then give up their fears.  This has been how we have expunged bigoted views for all of recent history.  And before, people jump in, obviously this will not work for all bigots, no shit but that's not the point. 

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« Reply #1670 on: January 11, 2021, 12:28:51 PM »
imagine being an mil officer making $100K+ a year, basically being unfireable for poor job performance, only to throw it away cuz you don't want to wear a mask.  :lol :lol :lol
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« Reply #1671 on: January 11, 2021, 12:34:47 PM »
You do not reason a racist out of being a racist.  No racist ever said, I have read your essay from thesis statement to the conclusion and you know, maybe I was wrong about black people.

...but there are literally documented examples of exactly this happening?

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« Reply #1672 on: January 11, 2021, 12:34:52 PM »
You do not reason a racist out of being a racist.  No racist ever said, I have read your essay from thesis statement to the conclusion and you know, maybe I was wrong about black people.  What you do is shame them into silence, marginalize their view, and normalize whatever they are afraid of to the point where they can look back and go well I guess X group is fine.  Look at gay rights.  The bigots were not reasoned into acceptance.  They were silenced, and then, once LGB people were given the freedom to be out after 10-20 years of seeing gay people on TV, and in the streets, and being their coworkers and neighbors they can then give up their fears.  This has been how we have expunged bigoted views for all of recent history.  And before, people jump in, obviously this will not work for all bigots, no shit but that's not the point.

it's pretty well known that an expanded worldview often leads to greater empathy, the kind that comes from traveling to other states or countries, getting to know people you might not have otherwise, or simply from life experience, going through some hard times and maybe receiving help from somewhere or someone you didn't expect that changes your outlook

so, no, people can and do change with life experience

like seriously have you never seen anyone commenting stuff like "I used to be a racist little shit before I wised up"  "man I used to be edgy for the sake of edgy until I learned to be better"  "I really lament the state of the rest of my family, glad I learned to grow up and wish they could too"
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« Reply #1673 on: January 11, 2021, 12:39:05 PM »
You do not reason a racist out of being a racist.  No racist ever said, I have read your essay from thesis statement to the conclusion and you know, maybe I was wrong about black people.  What you do is shame them into silence, marginalize their view, and normalize whatever they are afraid of to the point where they can look back and go well I guess X group is fine.  Look at gay rights.  The bigots were not reasoned into acceptance.  They were silenced, and then, once LGB people were given the freedom to be out after 10-20 years of seeing gay people on TV, and in the streets, and being their coworkers and neighbors they can then give up their fears.  This has been how we have expunged bigoted views for all of recent history.  And before, people jump in, obviously this will not work for all bigots, no shit but that's not the point.

Are you seriously implying that...

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« Reply #1675 on: January 11, 2021, 12:44:25 PM »
You do not reason a racist out of being a racist.  No racist ever said, I have read your essay from thesis statement to the conclusion and you know, maybe I was wrong about black people.

...but there are literally documented examples of exactly this happening?

No deradicalization is not just people being reasoned too.  It is a much more social program.  And yes you can go about it with the carrot or the stick.  Also, yes people can get to the point where they are open to reasoned arguments about bigotry but that point they are not really bigots in the sense we are concerned with. 

You do not reason a racist out of being a racist.  No racist ever said, I have read your essay from thesis statement to the conclusion and you know, maybe I was wrong about black people.  What you do is shame them into silence, marginalize their view, and normalize whatever they are afraid of to the point where they can look back and go well I guess X group is fine.  Look at gay rights.  The bigots were not reasoned into acceptance.  They were silenced, and then, once LGB people were given the freedom to be out after 10-20 years of seeing gay people on TV, and in the streets, and being their coworkers and neighbors they can then give up their fears.  This has been how we have expunged bigoted views for all of recent history.  And before, people jump in, obviously this will not work for all bigots, no shit but that's not the point.

it's pretty well known that an expanded worldview often leads to greater empathy, the kind that comes from traveling to other states or countries, getting to know people you might not have otherwise, or simply from life experience, going through some hard times and maybe receiving help from somewhere or someone you didn't expect that changes your outlook

so, no, people can and do change with life experience

like seriously have you never seen anyone commenting stuff like "I used to be a racist little shit before I wised up"  "man I used to be edgy for the sake of edgy until I learned to be better"  "I really lament the state of the rest of my family, glad I learned to grow up and wish they could too"

I did not argue that people don't change with life experience or that people can't change.  In fact, that was actually my very argument - that they can change their views after having a different life experience which often comes from the normalization of whatever they were against, and not because they were reasoned into changing their mind.  And that normalization starts with marginalizing their public bigiotry. 
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« Reply #1676 on: January 11, 2021, 12:45:39 PM »
How is a racist supposed to change their opinion if every single person they hear speaking about racism is a racist?  Or someone born into a religious family before the 20th century? Or born in China today? Free speech is much more valuable to the objectionable than to the objector.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| BYE MITCH
« Reply #1677 on: January 11, 2021, 12:47:06 PM »
I see we're on the hunky dory/kumbaya level of pseudo-intellectualism stage regarding change and positivity.  Some of you live in very curated bubbles and perspectives. If someone spends decades believing in hateful and fantastical narratives for decades, the chance of that person changing is incredibly slim.

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headwalk

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| BYE MITCH
« Reply #1678 on: January 11, 2021, 12:48:00 PM »
a racist old white bloke being told why he's racist isn't going to do shit. a racist old white bloke getting chatting with a black bloke at the football and singing songs together about harry kane being a diving mong, that's where divisions crumble.

HaughtyFrank

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| BYE MITCH
« Reply #1679 on: January 11, 2021, 12:50:05 PM »
Anytime I hear psyops I think