USA Politics Thread |OT| Son of a bitch!

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1473337579936301061

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/sarahnferris/status/1473012775538597894

 

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/GloriaPazmino/status/1473394432057745414

 

[Great Rumbler]

Putting prisoners who are already in jail into solitary confinement will certainly stop crime and bring back order to this lawless city!

[Himu]

Lmfao

[Propagandhim]

Solitary confinement is a really tough one.  On the one hand, Adams is right - there has to be another level of punitive measure for inmates who can't stop attacking others.  On the other, I can't think of a worse kind of torture.  I'd rather bear physical beatings as long as I knew it would end soon, than be stuck in solitary for extended periods of time.  They seem to use solitary too often, too, like as a tool to extract non-violent inmates from a violent population, etc.   I don't envy anyone who has to figure this one out.

[Himu]

Open back up asylums but make them more humane. Often these people have nowhere to go. Homeless dude went and stabbed a woman to death for no reason just the other day.

[Great Rumbler]

Open back up asylums but make them more humane.

Thanks, Reagan!

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/MazMHussain/status/1474033369361141762

  (French, not Hussain. Wait... Hussain!)

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/1474056840594006019

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1474157273652109317

 

[Himu]

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/bidens-approval-dips-to-new-low-as-independents-sour-on-his-leadership

Down 8 points in a week with my bloc (independent). Get fucked, vote red.

[Himu]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/30/us/politics/latinos-republicans-conservative-vote-gop.html

https://www.thedailybeast.com/republicans-arent-winning-latino-votersdems-are-losing-them

Not Latino but sway me.

[benjipwns]

Things are going well with the LP I see:
https://twitter.com/LPMisesCaucusMO/status/1474174513793359872

[Himu]

From a few weeks back.

[benjipwns]

[Himu]

"I told you Joe! I told ya!"

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

https://mobile.twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1474452335980019716

[Himu]

Lmao

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1474079028130852868

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1473856547411349509

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1473852459370037249

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1473746502518546437

[Himu]

https://mobile.twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1474452335980019716

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1474519354444242951

[Himu]

https://twitter.com/CommissBratton/status/1473666832460513280

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1474129460177903622

Agreed with Bratton. Before living here I would have agreed with AOC. Interacting with the homeless in person is way different than only seeing them wave a sign from your car. When you see the same guy for months, to the point where you know his name, buy him food regularly, and is as part of your neighborhood as the local park or local hardware shop you start to realize some of them don't want help. Oh, you'll still help them out. But when they try to take advantage of your kindness and boundaries by asking to take a shower in your apartment and they refuse when you suggest they go to a shelter, you start to see the cyclical nature. Sometimes if you say no to a homeless guy he might whip his weiner out and piss in your direction right at you. in Flatbush for a year. Same dudes, same spots. The wheelchair man I have more empathy for and I try to do what I can but it never changes I never feel safe when I get on a train car full of homeless people sleeping on my way to work at 5 am or when I'm harassed on the train by a crazy person. I highly doubt AOC *has* to or even uses the subway on regular basis.

AOC and the leftists are living in an utopia not on planet Earth most likely because they don't have to deal with it.

[Uncle]

it's a complicated problem that shouldn't be boiled down to memes, but I can't help but picture an unarmed holistic wellness counselor forced to approach these guys and say "sirs? you need to move on, you're scaring the other riders, come with me," being told to fuck off or even getting attacked, and then needing actual police support anyway (who are slow to respond because to them the wellness counselors represent an attack on their livelihood)

[Himu]

Not as a congresswoman. So she will bring up "they need medical care and shelter" (they do) as if that's relevant to them sleeping on the train, which isn't its goal nor point. I pay $127 a month to ride the train in comparison.

[Himu]

If you agree that they need shelter then why is it so appalling that they'd end up on the train, away from the weather?

Aside, I thought NYC was very good about providing shelter, which is why the proportion of housing insecure in NY that rough sleep is extremely small compared to other places. People fall through the cracks though.

The subway, a public utility, is not a hotel room or dormitory. New Yorkers have a right to not have to step in human poop or deal with homeless people assaulting us. It is not the job of the MTA to take care of the homeless as the trains are not a bedroom. In the year of 2019 New York City invested over 3.2 billion dollars into homeless care. A lot has been invested and whether for good reasons or bad, many homeless people do not want to take advantage of these facilities. Allowing homeless people to fester and live aboard the train where working people commute, children go to school, others literally work unfair to New Yorkers and more than that, isn't an actual solution. It is a band-aid. Police should be used to force homeless off trains and hopefully into shelters where they can get care. Billions are thrown at this and what's happening? Very little. What is happening to all that money? And your solution is to throw more money? More facilities? More medical care? In NY I have medicaid and haven't paid a medical bill all year. What's being done isn't enough.

To crib from a comment thread on Reddit:

"Shelters are often drug-infested, dirty and hostile environments." You people are truly amazing.

If the shelters are unsafe, dirty, and hostile - that's the fault of the elected official. Not the retiree being attacked for apparently asking that people be murdered for lacking a home. More than that - you realize people who make shelters "drug-infested, dirty and hostile" might also impose that behavior in this public space, yes?

None of you seem up in arms about cops enforcing mask rules, but you're ok with this?

"Shelter case workers are extremely underpaid." Indeed, and yet CEOs & lobbyists like Jim Coughlin from Westhab probably make millions. Not my fault. Not my choice. I have no control over this, even with my vote for candidates I hope will work harder against corruption and misuse of funds. The city gives out contracts to these people. It's their problem.

You're giving incompetent, corrupt governance, and the thing people really have a problem with - dudes camping out and doing far worse on subways - a pass.

Nobody gives a shit about the homeless riding the subways, or even dozing off.

"There are often underlying co-occurring substance use or mental health disorders and little to no family support." Yes, and so they can work that out on riders, got it.

It is not riders' fault there's lack of safe shelter.

Stop making excuses. That's all you're doing. That's all people who are entrusted with billions of dollars to deal with this and whose constituents who deserve a feces/assault-free subway ride are doing. It's criminal. I'm sick and tired of people who take my money moralizing and gaslighting me with bullshit. They get away with it because people like you uncritically swallow the tropes you've posted and have been raised to expect nothing of elected officials who campaign on "idealistic" half-truths and sloganeered bullshit, nor to consider the working/middle class people who have no other way to get around as "privileged". And AOC likes it that way, because she doesn't have to do dickshit but tweet.

This is not an acceptable solution and all the babbling about unsafe shelter and the reasons I'm supposed to pity someone shooting up and telling me to get out of his house while I'm trapped underground doesn't really change that.

[Himu]

Registered independent but I need to take steps to reg Republican asap.

Liked the flips that happened last election but I didn't vote then.

https://nyti.ms/3wdzU15

Thank you Democratic Party for making an apathetic non-voter register R just to tell you to f off.

[Himu]

Ah, so you'd go with it if you didn't have staff shortages.

https://www.silive.com/coronavirus/2021/12/hochul-no-plans-for-mta-covid-vaccine-mandate-due-to-crew-shortages.html?utm_source=reddit.com

Yes, I'd very much like to whip out my vaxx card every fucking time I ride the train. Or how about you go fuck yourself and I vote red? Let's go Brandon.

All of this hysteria over a virus that is significantly weaker. Yes, taking out a vaxx card in the city that doesn't sleep, in the city of hustle, in the city of I need to run two blocks within two minutes to catch my train this would absolutely save lives and not make you hated. Keep digging.

The Democrats are completely batshit.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2021/12/27/mta-to-reduce-subway-service-this-week-due-to--covid-surge-

Their policies are utterly ineffectual and the definition of navel gazing. Yes, let's reduce subway services due to Omicron which will result in more packed cars. Of course, that's not the actual reason. It's due to staff shortages. But the constant blaming on Omicron, a novel variant so weak scientists no longer think it's worth studying, is what gets me. The endless fear gymnastics has gotten tiring.

Liberals!!!!!

[Himu]

Hahahahaha I so wish I voted for Trump. Months of screeching how there's no federal plan for COVID. How Trump isn't providing leadership. And this?!

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1475539059032395780

I should have voted for Trump. Oh my GOD. I'm buying a MAGA hat from Amazon right this second. I'm tired.

[benjipwns]

Throwing yourself wholeheartedly into MAGA is not a solution to Democrats and the media being bad.

[Great Rumbler]

Hahahahaha I so wish I voted for Trump. Months of screeching how there's no federal plan for COVID. How Trump isn't providing leadership. And this?!

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1475539059032395780

I should have voted for Trump. Oh my GOD. I'm buying a MAGA hat from Amazon right this second. I'm tired.

“My message to the governors is simple: if you need something, say something,” he said. “We’re going to have your back any way we can.”

The administration plans to distribute the tests free to Americans, support more vaccination and testing sites, and deploy 1,000 military medical professionals to augment hospital staff nationwide.

[Himu]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/florida-democrats-stung-in-2020-are-slipping-even-further-behind-gop-in-2022-vote/ar-AASb5lt?ocid=BingNewsSearch

TALLAHASSEE — Many prominent Florida Democrats sought a reckoning after their losses in 2020. They wanted a change within the party structure and a rejuvenated party to take on Republicans in 2022.

There were changes at the Florida Democratic Party, as Manny Diaz was elected chairman in January after Terrie Rizzo resigned, but by some measures, their prospects for 2022 have only worsened.

“It’s going to be rough,” said Matt Isbell, a Tallahassee-based Democratic consultant. “It’s going to be pretty bad.”

https://www.niagara-gazette.com/news/local_news/gop-turnout-effort-plays-big-role-in-niagara-elections/article_d4c2eef2-ce38-50f1-9ca0-d1a91ceba138.html

“The proof is in the pudding,” Niagara County GOP Chairman Rich Andres responded when asked about the success of his party’s efforts in the 2021 local elections.

That “pudding” got a bit sweeter for Republicans with this week’s court ruling over disputed ballots resulting in Chris Voccio being elected legislator in the Sixth District. Of the 15 legislative districts in Niagara County, 12 were won by Republicans, 3 by Democrats.

An analysis of balloting for the 2021 elections here indicates heavy turnout in Republican areas, coupled with low interest in Democratic districts, led to the strong showings by Republicans, who continue to dominate the Niagara County Legislature.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/21/gop-tidal-wave-voter-suppression-set-intensify-2022-analysis-warns

Republican state lawmakers are showing no signs of slowing down the "tidal wave of restrictive voting legislation" that ramped up across the country in 2021, according to a new analysis by the Brennan Center for Justice on Tuesday that warns such attacks are set to continue or even escalate in the New Year.

Oh no, someone stop the Republicans. I have never in my life had trouble voting and I'm from a red Texas. Liberals truly do think black people are incompetents who can't even get a drivers license. But when you put your head together to come up with a thought you realize that in the south, you can't do shit without driving, especially in oil industry Texas where politicians love to slobber all over Big Oil's knob. Everyone and their dog has a DL in the south because it's a basic necessity. But the Democrats point to VoTeRR sUPpreSzion while trying to make it easy for illegal immigrants, people who aren't even citizens to legally vote all in a twisted gamble to maintain power on the misguided assumption - assumption - that illegal immigrants will vote D. lmao Oh, those poor darkies. They can't save themselves. They can't even get a DL to vote! Let me hold your hand and save you darkie.

All this talk of lines while ignoring there were lines in NYC in 2020 too. It's almost as if, Americans want to vote therefore there's lines. It's almost as if a sizable amount of voters want their voices heard. I agree! Let's go Brandon!

As for the Republican gains...Masha'Allah.

[Himu]

https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-losing-latinos-gop-no-095344285.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr

Keeping Latino voters: Latino voters have different interests because they come from different cultures. However, as a rule, be the exact opposite of the Democratic Party and promote family values over purple haired dysfunction. Let's Go Brandon is a great way to do it, because it's clean while also sending a clear message. Remain clean and family friendly. Don't give in to deviance. Find incentives towards nuclear family building. Say Latino and never say Latinx. In fact, mock LatinX. Point to how ineffectual Democrats are and how they wallow in dysfunction, victimhood, and their own form of fear. Express realistic solutions sans gil tossing like it's Final Fantasy. Make serious attempts to reverse and apologize for any mistreatment or miscommunication of illegal latinos under the Trump administration and how you can curb illegal immigration without being inhumane in the future. Sell Latinos on the promise of America: that the only one stopping us are ourselves, nor our race, gender, or whatever. Be positive and sell a dream. Live up to that dream.

By the same token the Democratic party no longer serves the interests of the middle class black.

https://www.ocregister.com/2021/11/14/black-republicans-lead-political-poll-reversal/

Target the middle class Latinos and those who desire to be middle class through sheer effort.



Show them the poverty of left-ward solutions.

edit:

https://twitter.com/lawindsor/status/1457837943201189895?

It won't be 50% but definitely over 25%. In the long run the main strategy is to dismantle the Democratic Party with any shred of power given their poor uses of it. Kill them at the ballot box. I want to make you weak and beg for scraps. I will do anything possible to make this happen.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

you're gross

[jorma]

I was in Manhattan for a week and had to show my vax card almost everywhere I went. It was not a hassle in the fucking least. You just pull it out. Almost no where even really looked at it. My uncle was using his wife's card while with his wife and no place even noticed.

so what's even the point of that thing? this might be the most distinguished mentally-challenged argument FOR the passports i've ever seen 

[Himu]

Yeah, just use a fake card.
.
I resent vaccine card passports. So much. This last summer in NYC was amazing. We were so free and lived like it. Not one restaurant asked for a vax card because the common assumption was that because you're a New Yorker you were likely vaxxed. I like shit like that, good assumptions in fellow man rather than mandating a bunch of rules.  For a goddamn year I couldn't enjoy the small things in life. I couldn't drink coffee in a coffee shop for instance but now I have to whip out a vaxx card just to drink coffee. What if I forget my card? In NY I use cash a lot and often don't even bring my wallet with me because I'll just bring a few dollars. Now I might forget my damn wallet. Then what? No coffee? No lunch? No dinner? No arcade? All of these places have requested a vaxx pass. Never mind some of the most vulnerable populations are racial minorities that aren't vaxx. Think of the implications. Even with a mask you can't go in and enjoy a coffee. I'm sorry but it goes against my morals and speaks to the highly ineffectual virtue signaling of crappy liberal policies. We enjoyed freedom for months. WHY NOW? Moreover, vaccinated people can catch and spread the disease anyways which is precisely we have the (highly logical) mask rule while on trains and buses. Therefore a vaxx mandate for inside dining is re re to begin with.

Telling someone you'll be fired unless you take a vaccination less than a year old is highly immoral. You cannot change my mind on that. It is wrong.

Liberals!!!

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Jfc

[Cauliflower Of Love]

At least nintex was entertaining

[Potato]

So this thread is going well...

[Himu]

The reality of living with the effects of progressive policy and whistling away, sucking the teet of their golden promise is night and day and more people are waking up thankfully to their dystopian failure. Masha'Allah.

You get it. The problem is progressivism and liberalism. End their rule. White liberals and progressives and leftists are the most racist people I've met in my life and they have a lifestyle that will only lead you to the fire. You too have found the hole behind the veil: progressivism is shit. Kill it. Stab it in the belly and shoot it in the head NOW before it becomes too late.


https://twitter.com/michelletandler/status/1475143652942893056

https://twitter.com/michelletandler/status/1475143998268346369

https://twitter.com/michelletandler/status/1475144602151632899

https://twitter.com/michelletandler/status/1475145718482432000

https://twitter.com/michelletandler/status/1475146006752755712

https://twitter.com/michelletandler/status/1475146704617803776

https://twitter.com/michelletandler/status/1475147656682872839

https://twitter.com/michelletandler/status/1475154737251061762

https://twitter.com/michelletandler/status/1475155614107979779

Since this is America and the only viable party that isn't democratic is Republican voting red is your only real choice to affect change.

A registered D for 18 years? I assume we are nearly the same age with the same wakeup call.

[Himu]

https://notthebee.com/article/check-out-this-thread-from-a-lefty-in-san-fran-who-is-starting-to-question-this-whole-progressivism-thing

Oh my God yesss

[Uncle]

https://notthebee.com/article/check-out-this-thread-from-a-lefty-in-san-fran-who-is-starting-to-question-this-whole-progressivism-thing

Oh my God yesss

she doesn't sound like the kind of person who would go right wing, though, she apparently cares about fixing the homeless problem, being charitable and kind etc. and that doesn't seem to be the republican platform

seems like someone who would go leftist rather than liberal

I was in Manhattan for a week and had to show my vax card almost everywhere I went. It was not a hassle in the fucking least. You just pull it out. Almost no where even really looked at it. My uncle was using his wife's card while with his wife and no place even noticed.

so what's even the point of that thing? this might be the most distinguished mentally-challenged argument FOR the passports i've ever seen 

It is dumb when you know places aren't really checking them with any scrutiny, I agree. My point was it isn't some oppressive, major inconvenience at all. You literally just have to flash a card or your phone for less than 2 seconds. Himu gonna Himu, though.

"it's easy to ignore" is the worst possible argument for anything like this, that's how things get worse and worse without you recognizing it like the frog in the boiling pot

I recognize that the vaccine is a good thing, I recognize that everyone should be vaccinated, and the card is probably even innocuous and ok, I will just never back any argument on the basis of "what's the problem, it's easy to show them your papers"

"just wear the star it literally takes 2 seconds to pin it on"

[VomKriege]

Have the police detain the homeless and "force them into appropriate care" (I guess ?), this Shellenberger guy has good points !
 

Having to flash a QR code, I am a human, not a number !

[Himu]

Hahahahaha

https://twitter.com/katewillett/status/1475564991503687685

https://notthebee.com/article/check-out-this-thread-from-a-lefty-in-san-fran-who-is-starting-to-question-this-whole-progressivism-thing

Oh my God yesss

she doesn't sound like the kind of person who would go right wing, though, she apparently cares about fixing the homeless problem, being charitable and kind etc. and that doesn't seem to be the republican platform

seems like someone who would go leftist rather than liberal

I was in Manhattan for a week and had to show my vax card almost everywhere I went. It was not a hassle in the fucking least. You just pull it out. Almost no where even really looked at it. My uncle was using his wife's card while with his wife and no place even noticed.

so what's even the point of that thing? this might be the most distinguished mentally-challenged argument FOR the passports i've ever seen 

It is dumb when you know places aren't really checking them with any scrutiny, I agree. My point was it isn't some oppressive, major inconvenience at all. You literally just have to flash a card or your phone for less than 2 seconds. Himu gonna Himu, though.

"it's easy to ignore" is the worst possible argument for anything like this, that's how things get worse and worse without you recognizing it like the frog in the boiling pot

I recognize that the vaccine is a good thing, I recognize that everyone should be vaccinated, and the card is probably even innocuous and ok, I will just never back any argument on the basis of "what's the problem, it's easy to show them your papers"

"just wear the star it literally takes 2 seconds to pin it on"

Or how all of a sudden the government thinks it's worth spying on its people or airports giving flyers anal checks after 9/11. Liberal ok with tyranny?! Say it ain't so!

[Uncle]

I haven't gotten a government anal check in years 

[Himu]

Don't worry. It's coming.

[Himu]

HAHAHAHA

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1475507614821892099

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1475547050557284353

[bork]

HAHAHAHA

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1475507614821892099

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1475588179378024460

[Himu]

I'm not listening to him. He's the blue loser who tried to put his hounds on the poor Oregon dad because he teased Brandon!

CNBC reports this

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/27/biden-says-covid-surge-needs-to-be-solved-at-state-level-vows-full-federal-support.html

I don't give a fuck about the clip. The point is Brandon says there's no federal solution after campaining on that exact promise. In fact, it's why he was elected to begin with. And if he's so anti federal solution will he please rescind his vaccine mandate?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

biden's tan suit brought to you by, jfc

[bork]

The president may be concerned that federal initiatives to contain the virus can’t be effective without states’ help. The comments could also be an attempt to put added pressure on governors to take a greater role in trying to control the disease.

The omicron variant poses a multifaceted threat to Biden, who campaigned on the federal government’s ability to curb the pandemic. The president on Monday reiterated some of the promises he made last week, including the federal government’s purchase of 500 million rapid coronavirus tests.

“My message to the governors is simple: if you need something, say something,” he said. “We’re going to have your back any way we can.”

The administration plans to distribute the tests free to Americans, support more vaccination and testing sites, and deploy 1,000 military medical professionals to augment hospital staff nationwide.

[bork]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/27/politics/biden-covid-governors/index.html

On Monday, Biden, citing the Stafford Act, directed federal funding via FEMA to assist in the deployment of Covid testing.

"It is the policy of my Administration to combat and respond to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic with the full capacity and capability of the Federal Government to protect and support our families, schools, and businesses, and to assist State, local, Tribal, and territorial governments to do the same," Biden writes. "This policy includes the use of emergency and disaster assistance available from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to get COVID-19 testing to the places that need it most."

The order directs the Department of Health and Human Services "on a fully reimbursable basis, to provide testing sites, launched and operated by HHS in close coordination with State, local, Tribal, and territorial public health departments," using FEMA funding.

[Himu]

https://notthebee.com/article/check-out-this-thread-from-a-lefty-in-san-fran-who-is-starting-to-question-this-whole-progressivism-thing

Oh my God yesss

she doesn't sound like the kind of person who would go right wing, though, she apparently cares about fixing the homeless problem, being charitable and kind etc. and that doesn't seem to be the republican platform

seems like someone who would go leftist rather than liberal

Agreed. When faced with the philosophical and moralistic failures of liberalism, outside of deciding to not participate altogether, one is finally faced with only two real choices: leftism or conservatism. Unfortunately due to my experiences with the left I am not sold on leftism as they appear more interested in credo and identity politics and oppression Olympics over results. I'm far more convinced by conservatism. Leftism in comparison is in many ways laughable.

[VomKriege]

it's a complicated problem that shouldn't be boiled down to memes, but I can't help but picture an unarmed holistic wellness counselor forced to approach these guys and say "sirs? you need to move on, you're scaring the other riders, come with me," being told to fuck off or even getting attacked, and then needing actual police support anyway (who are slow to respond because to them the wellness counselors represent an attack on their livelihood)

We have social emergency workers & association volunteers (Red Cross and such) doing exactly that here, patrols at night to offer coffee, soup and try to convince homeless people to come with them to a shelter. They don't always agree to and I'm certain some of them may get aggressive or violent and this periodically means the police has to be involved. But practice and experience is that safety is not so much an issue you can't do exactly that.

I'd be pretty surprised it's not exactly the same in NYC or any major city ? Popular soups, volunteers, city social services, etc

Yes it's a complicated issue and making it more of a policing issue, to my knowledge, generally has not proven to address it (unless it's for moving it out of sight, out of mind).

[VomKriege]

I'm definitely not solving this issue by myself.

Just found the juxtaposition of calling for the police to forcibly remove people for safety and public health motives & protect a public utility then ranting about a rather mild inconvenience from a larger mandate designed to protect a public utility & public health to be a bit confusing.

[Rufus]

I recognize that the vaccine is a good thing, I recognize that everyone should be vaccinated, and the card is probably even innocuous and ok, I will just never back any argument on the basis of "what's the problem, it's easy to show them your papers"

"just wear the star it literally takes 2 seconds to pin it on"

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I'm definitely not solving this issue by myself.

Just found the juxtaposition of calling for the police to forcibly remove people for safety and public health motives & protect a public utility then ranting about a rather mild inconvenience from a larger mandate designed to protect a public utility & public health to be a bit confusing.

it's called anarchy.

When people can't reconcile the fact you have to sacrifice for your idealized goal of being selfless, they just turn to hating the "system".


you look at people like nintenx of himu, most of era and whats left of gaf. That's what these contradictory opinions are.

[Himu]

I'm definitely not solving this issue by myself.

Just found the juxtaposition of calling for the police to forcibly remove people for safety and public health motives & protect a public utility then ranting about a rather mild inconvenience from a larger mandate designed to protect a public utility & public health to be a bit confusing.

Because allowing people using a public utility and making it their home to use drugs is not a solution. It merely turns its head away from the problem. If we continue in that manner NY will look like SF and I and others refuse to let that happen. Therefore, they must be removed and put in shelters where they can get help.

Versus

A culture of increasing goal posts. Where people need to get vaccinated with a vaccine less than a year old or face being terminated. Forced vaccination mandates. Forced vaccine cards. Shaming people for not being vaxxed. A culture of corporate shilling of vaccination. Fourth shots, fifth shots. When does it end? What's the end goal? All in the name of safety and security. Weeks and weeks of fear an looking down the gun barrel of disease. Omicron Omicron omicron reeeee I'm scarrreddd

You try to equate but one is fair. The other results in endless purity checks in the name of safety. I am tired of the fear tactics. Omicron lockdowns when Omicron is weak as shit. Why do you trust Big Pharma so much? Why do you trust governance forcing citizens so much?

What's your solution to the homeless epidemic and people living in the subway trains? You could say more services but NYC already provides 3.9 billion towards these services trying to assist nearly 80k people. You want to waffle about ideals. I don't give a shit. I care about results. What's the result of one? Less freedom. The other? Better public safety.

One is not the other. I bet you also support governments spying on citizens and the TSA. Same shit. But no, the real bad guys are putting people that shoot up heroin in the public space where they belong so they can get help.

LOL this is the perfect approximation of the leftist ideal and its soft feelings based cacophany of failure without thinking about results and intended consequences.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

vaccine less than a year old

Imagine thinking that major vaccines developed after sequencing the human genome still need to be tested through old processes.

I can fucking charge my phone literally wirelessly from the power source, and there are still people who think vaccines are ominous. 

[VomKriege]

One is fair ?
Yeah I'd say one of those has a lot more scientific backing, objective known benefits than the other.

Anyhow no one ever convinced you to not go down what particular way you're exploring so safe travel.

[Uncle]

I recognize that the vaccine is a good thing, I recognize that everyone should be vaccinated, and the card is probably even innocuous and ok, I will just never back any argument on the basis of "what's the problem, it's easy to show them your papers"

"just wear the star it literally takes 2 seconds to pin it on"

the argument that everyone should do something (anything) just because it is easy is never compelling

say that everyone should do it because it's important for public health and for managing the virus over the long term, I have absolutely nothing against that, but then you will also need to demonstrate that it does indeed succeed at those functions

[Himu]

You really can't point fingers at me Cauliflower. I believe in vaccines. I got all three shots. However, I take issue with mandating and forcing others to get them. Morally it is wrong. Whatever happened to my body my choice?

Yes, it is fair. New Yorkers face the most dense public in America. We interact in daily life because we lack cars and transport. Trains are something millions use a day and we have no reason to suffer from being harassed by people high  on H when trying to get the morning commute

In what way are mandates keeping new yorkers safe? We are over 70% vaxxed by at least one shot. As usual with liberals it is virtue signaling just like how they are with racists. You know what will keep new yorkers safe? Not having people harass us on our commute.