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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4621 on: December 31, 2021, 09:43:15 AM »
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« Reply #4623 on: December 31, 2021, 11:45:14 AM »
It's gotta be tough having to see rainbow flag and a sign on how to correctly wear a mask every day.
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« Reply #4624 on: December 31, 2021, 11:57:45 AM »
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-2022-reckoning/?utm_source=recirc-mobile&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=hero&utm_content=related&utm_term=first

It's gotta be tough having to see rainbow flag and a sign on how to correctly wear a mask every day.

It's about layers. This is one layer. But controlling speech is another. Liberals tell what is and isn't right to say. Controlling thought is another. It's fine if you're pro-vax but if you're anti-mandate then you're obviously a Nazi, which leads to control through shame and guilt tripping through emotional appeal - the final layer. It's all done for one solitary reason: control. We're right. You're wrong. Control. We control what's permissable and what's okay in society and if you disagree you're a bigot. Control. We control the language and what can and can't be said and if you don't like it you're a bigot. Control. So they lose their shit about Dave Chappelle talking about racist progressive LGBT people and try to cancel him. They find out Chris Pratt is conservative and Christian so they turn on him too. It may seem an innoceous sign about public health but imagine seeing it every day for a fucking year. Control through capitalism and ideology.

The left are the greater evil. The only options are to go further left, into leftism, which isn't an option because they support this type of thought, speech, and action policing. The only option is conservatism because they're the only people in society fighting it.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4625 on: December 31, 2021, 12:15:00 PM »
Everywhere I go is some agenda.

Treating every single part of life as a fucking ad.


The MAGA hat.

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Went back to my apartment wearing my hat.

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As Stan Evans says, whatever liberals disapprove of, they want banned (smoking, guns, practicing Christianity, ROTC, the Pledge of Allegiance) and whatever they approve of, they make mandatory (abortion-on-demand, gay marriage, pornography, condom distribution in public schools, screenings of “An Inconvenient Truth”).

When liberals say, “nothing is sacrosanct,” they mean “nothing other Americans consider sacrosanct is sacrosanct.” They demonstrate their open-mindedness by ridiculing other people’s dogma, but will not brook the most trifling criticism of their own dogmas.

Surely you can see that this is, as they call it, false equivalency?
Just as you can - and should - apply cui bono to statements, you can also apply cui malo to ask 'what is the harm'?
The liberalism you profess to despise recognises the rights of people up to the point it infringes on someone elses rights.

Who is harmed by, to use one of those examples, abortion being legal (and sidenote: it's not fucking mandatory)? How are they harmed?
People who believe it is morally wrong cannot enforce that belief onto others who may not share that belief.

Who benefits? How do they benefit?
People unwilling or incapable of supporting a life they will be responsible for for the next 18+ years. They won't be risking their life in a backstreet abortion clinic. They won't be forced into a marriage of convenience, or give up their career, or add to the welfare debt, or add another unwanted child to the thousands already in care, or bring an unloved child into the world.

As a society, which of these actually accrues harm? Someones fee-fees are hurt, versus the state picking up another mouth to feed?

Can you not see the difference?
Christian Scientists believe all medicine is immoral, because sickness comes from God and God alone should cure it.
Do you see the difference between;
Allowing Christian Scientists to refuse medical treatment, even where they may die as a result, because to impose that treatment upon them infringes on their right to believe what they want?
and
Enforcing Christian Scientists belief that medical treatment is immoral on all citizens and making doctors and hospitals illegal, because allowing anyone to be treated goes against those beliefs?

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4626 on: December 31, 2021, 12:27:06 PM »
The left are the greater evil. The only options are to go further left, into leftism, which isn't an option because they support this type of thought, speech, and action policing. The only option is conservatism because they're the only people in society fighting it.
Still a false choice.

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« Reply #4627 on: December 31, 2021, 12:28:24 PM »
The left are the greater evil. The only options are to go further left, into leftism, which isn't an option because they support this type of thought, speech, and action policing. The only option is conservatism because they're the only people in society fighting it.
Still a false choice.

What are the choices? Name them please.

Leftism isn't a choice. They support vaccine mandates at the expense of workers and treat workers just as expendable as the capitalists they criticize.

Libertarians are anti mandate and the most sensible people in the room besides MAGAts and since so many libertarians vote Republican for ideological reasons you might as well go MAGA.

Not voting against such tyranny isn't an option either. What are my options, Green? I'm pro-vaccine.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4628 on: December 31, 2021, 01:40:50 PM »
There are Marxists who are opposed to social studies warriors and COVID hysteria. Nothing precludes them from voting Republican for a cycle, especially in a local race, if they determine these are the dominant issues of the moment and a Republican candidate has the best take on them.

It is nonsense for libertarians to "might as well go MAGA" considering they oppose most of the MAGA agenda like its founding principle of complete opposition to free trade and freedom of movement. Its increasing hostility to liberal principles like the rule of law, freedom of speech and the press, etc. are also troublesome to where they weigh heavily against, not for, "might as well go MAGA."

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« Reply #4629 on: December 31, 2021, 01:54:41 PM »
There are Marxists who are opposed to social studies warriors and COVID hysteria. Nothing precludes them from voting Republican for a cycle, especially in a local race, if they determine these are the dominant issues of the moment and a Republican candidate has the best take on them.

It is nonsense for libertarians to "might as well go MAGA" considering they oppose most of the MAGA agenda like its founding principle of complete opposition to free trade and freedom of movement. Its increasing hostility to liberal principles like the rule of law, freedom of speech and the press, etc. are also troublesome to where they weigh heavily against, not for, "might as well go MAGA."

Mind expounding about Marxists against social studies warriors?

Also do you have libertarian literature I can read? What are some libertarians thoughts on the liberal tendency to throw money at social ills and force their creedo on the entire populace?
 
All of this I've communicated are things I've had in my head for months so I've had no filter.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4630 on: December 31, 2021, 01:59:00 PM »
Also do you have libertarian literature I can read?

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« Reply #4631 on: December 31, 2021, 02:02:57 PM »
Also do you have libertarian literature I can read?

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I have my copy at home! Always ready to peruse his amazing English diction.

Who knew you liked classic lit, Bionic? Proud of you.
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« Reply #4632 on: December 31, 2021, 02:22:22 PM »
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4634 on: December 31, 2021, 04:23:41 PM »
Okay, hypocritical commie.
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« Reply #4635 on: December 31, 2021, 05:25:05 PM »
I started talking to libertarians to see how they think and reading their literature, Benji. 😒 So far they talk a lot more sense than liberals and progressives while also not being as crazy as Republicans.

Benji trying to save me with reason and logic and not finger pointing :rejoice

https://np.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/rt3iji/im_coming_here_as_a_friend_to_try_to_understand/
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« Reply #4636 on: December 31, 2021, 05:48:27 PM »
Do I see a himu/Benji libertarian love in blossoming on the battlefield?

The bore was not ready for this level of power!

We need Nintex back to balance out the streams, stat!
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« Reply #4637 on: December 31, 2021, 06:24:31 PM »
Do I see a himu/Benji libertarian love in blossoming on the battlefield?

The bore was not ready for this level of power!

We need Nintex back to balance out the streams, stat!

I'm ready

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4638 on: December 31, 2021, 06:29:27 PM »
don't stand so close to me
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« Reply #4639 on: December 31, 2021, 08:39:43 PM »
SIX.

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« Reply #4640 on: December 31, 2021, 09:53:11 PM »
Okay, hypocritical commie.

She dining outside with her boyfriend, sitting about six feet away from each other and not near anyone else, so I dunno why so many right wingers are freaking out.
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« Reply #4641 on: December 31, 2021, 11:25:15 PM »
Okay, hypocritical commie.

She dining outside with her boyfriend, sitting about six feet away from each other and not near anyone else, so I dunno why so many right wingers are freaking out.

Same difference as Cruz bailing on Texas during crisis. I see no difference. Two rich fucks that virtue signal and talk about this, that but when push comes to shove Cruz is flying to the Bahamas like an elitist shithead during Texas snowstorms and AOC is in Miami during the Age of Omicron and NYC is getting ravaged with cases. Even if Omicron is weak as shit it's still a local emergency. I waited an hour in the cold for a COVID test only for them to close while I was in it as she dines in luxury because she's a rat bitch. Same shit, different team.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4642 on: December 31, 2021, 11:39:15 PM »
Same difference as Cruz bailing on Texas during crisis. I see no difference. Two rich fucks that virtue signal and talk about this, that but when push comes to shove Cruz is flying to the Bahamas like an elitist shithead during Texas snowstorms and AOC is in Miami during the Age of Omicron and NYC is getting ravaged with cases. Even if Omicron is weak as shit it's still a local emergency. I waited an hour in the cold for a COVID test only for them to close while I was in it as she dines in luxury because she's a rat bitch. Same shit, different team.
What are Ted Cruz and AOC, a Senator and a Congresswoman respectively, supposed to be doing about ongoing local emergencies? Especially when their bodies are not in session?

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« Reply #4643 on: December 31, 2021, 11:49:04 PM »
Same difference as Cruz bailing on Texas during crisis. I see no difference. Two rich fucks that virtue signal and talk about this, that but when push comes to shove Cruz is flying to the Bahamas like an elitist shithead during Texas snowstorms and AOC is in Miami during the Age of Omicron and NYC is getting ravaged with cases. Even if Omicron is weak as shit it's still a local emergency. I waited an hour in the cold for a COVID test only for them to close while I was in it as she dines in luxury because she's a rat bitch. Same shit, different team.
What are Ted Cruz and AOC, a Senator and a Congresswoman respectively, supposed to be doing about ongoing local emergencies? Especially when their bodies are not in session?

I completely agree. However AOC herself shamed Cruz. Hence the criticism. She's doing the exact same thing and going by her own standards has earned the same critique.

By liberal virtue signaling she managed to get pants caught on fire. 😔
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4644 on: January 01, 2022, 12:27:50 AM »
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« Reply #4645 on: January 01, 2022, 01:06:06 AM »
Benji, query:

One of my biggest  niggles against libertarians has been their anti-tax rhetoric. I understand it but what do they suggest we replace taxes with? After all they fund important things such as public transport, bridges, healthcare. What's their alternative? I'm currently on state funded healthcare and I receive very good services. Is the anti-tax rhetoric not similar to leftists utopian ideals? A problem with liberalism/progressivism is that so much of it is hope based. "Wouldn't it be nice if....?" is basically their platform. I'm reading the Libertarian Party website now and taxes are the first issue listed on the platform. In what way is this not "wouldn't it be nice if there were no taxes?" Are libertarians going off of real world examples to produce results for their arguments or are they like the leftists and basing everything off of laughable emotions, and theory, and what ifs, and envisioning a future, and the political equivalent of being a LARPer?
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« Reply #4646 on: January 01, 2022, 01:19:04 AM »
Benji, query:

One of my biggest  niggles against libertarians has been their anti-tax rhetoric. I understand it but what do they suggest we replace taxes with? After all they fund important things such as public transport, bridges, healthcare. What's their alternative? I'm currently on state funded healthcare and I receive very good services. Is the anti-tax rhetoric not similar to leftists utopian ideals? A problem with liberalism/progressivism is that so much of it is hope based. "Wouldn't it be nice if....?" is basically their platform. I'm reading the Libertarian Party website now and taxes are the first issue listed on the platform. In what way is this not "wouldn't it be nice if there were no taxes?" Are libertarians going off of real world examples to produce results for their arguments or are they like the leftists and basing everything off of laughable emotions, and theory, and what ifs, and invisioning a future, and the political equivalent of being a LARPer?

one of my friends claims to be libertarian and was talking about it a lot at new years tonight

he said he gets annoyed that everyone immediately jumps to the conclusion that he must be a right wing nut; he is a left-leaning libertarian (which is clearly valid based on the political compass) and he said he has absolutely no issue with tax, he just wants it to be put toward more worthwhile causes

for example he hates that so much of his tax dollars go towards incarceration for minor marijuana possession offenses, hundreds of thousands of dollars per person per year without accomplishing anything but ruining a person's life further

depending on the state and the legality of marijuana, you move across a state line and suddenly your tax dollars are going to much more productive causes

now maybe this perspective valuing the role of taxes is unique among libertarians, I just mention it due to the synchronicity of the question with the conversation we just had
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« Reply #4647 on: January 01, 2022, 04:27:39 AM »
As I wait for the train to go to work at 4 am on New Years Day I am perusing some very interesting thoughts posted on r/libertarian that challenge many views and thoughts I have on libertarians.

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Governor Jared Polis (D) of Colorado is the most libertarian governor in the country

That's right, the Democrat Jared Polis is the most libertarian. Not Greg Abbott, not Ron Desantis. Search Abbott and Desantis on this sub, the headlines are always about expanding government, taking away freedom. Now search Jared Polis, he's always on this sub for something libertarian he did wether it's related to drugs, criminal justice or pandemic restrictions. He's also a frequent poster of r/neoliberal because he's a capitalist, he donated to the primary challenger of Ilhan Omar. He supported shontel Brown over democratic socialist Nina Turner in the primary. He is always supporting the capitalist Democrats over the socialist Democrats. When he was in Congress he was the only Democrat member of the Liberty Caucus, the libertarian caucus founded by Justin Amash.

Conclusion: after study, the OP is correct. His record speaks for itself. Another consideration is that fervently campaigns against socialists and leftists. Good.

In a thread about Libertarian attitudes towards Lincoln:

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The fact there are a ton of people in this comment section saying that Lincoln overstepped his bounds because the south would've outlawed slavery at some point "peacefully"(what a joke), or that it was infringing on the constitution basically confirms OPs title for this discussion thread.

Basically the epitome of 'don't tread on me, but tread on them all you like that's ok with me.'

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In my experience a strong majority of people who identify as libertarian don't give a flying fuck about protecting the liberties of others and of stopping persecution of oppressed groups. For a big group its nothing more than 'don't touch my paycheck, don't touch my guns, don't touch my property' and they'll happily sign up for oppression of others if they get their demands me.

Freedom for me, not freedom for thee.

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It is truly unfortunate that for too many libertarians, that in the face of bondage, the adage is often “do nothing, it will eventually work itself out, freedom.”

I believe libertarians inability to use pragmatism in the face of mass societal strife shows an inability to actually help solve or improve issues, resulting in a passive acceptance. It is hard to convince someone to be a libertarian once you dig past the weed and gay marriage talking points and see the responses to issues like slavery or pandemics. People want to know how their individual lives can improve under certain systems, not know if they were unlucky enough to be born into bondage their fate would be left up to if their master decides to be peaceful.

Conclusion: I'm really impressed so far by, although this is just Reddit, but also people like Benji's, ability to discuss and not shame other viewpoints. Also I'm impressed that libertarians are able to self critique in a way Democrats or Republicans often don't. With them it's always the other side and not themselves. I would or could attribute this to party lines and it's because Libertarian Party lacks real power but that doesn't change that Progressives and Leftists don't have power and still are entirely unable to self critique.

Libertarianism also appears to have lots of room for diversity. Some don't even place taxes as a priority, factoring into the above Uncle post.

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I hate people who become libertarian because they don’t want taxes. That has nothing to do with libertarianism. Low taxes is a side effect of libertarian policy over time, not a policy itself.

Libertarians still can accept taxes because we still want government that works for us. Libertarians can also acknowledge the few times the other side got it right with a social program and there’s lots of evidence to support its working.

Government isn’t one size fits all. I just want to start from a libertarian perspective. That way the burden of proof is on the aggressor. In this case I think Lincoln more than proved he was justified.

So far I'm impressed by libertarianism literature and views. Unlike liberalism or progressivism it also appears to be intellectially cogent (i.e liberalism is about pushing society. How much is too much?) while lacking conservatisms social rigidity (I.e. I agree being LGBT is a sin but I have no desire to discriminate against LGBT people by law). I'm intrigued. I'll keep reading Stoic philosophy while considering these revelations. Honestly, the libertarians are making the most sense in the room. It appears just because you believe in Libertarianism that you don't need to support the party either.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4648 on: January 01, 2022, 06:09:16 AM »
https://news.yahoo.com/york-says-prioritize-non-white-171224095.html

Identity politics :lol

Liberals and progressives :lol

Liberals: we need to get more incentive to and concentrate on getting black and Latino populations vaccinated by making certain races more eligible to the vaccine!

Black and Latino populations that are vaccine skeptical and see it as a big science experiment on minorities: Wait we are being deliberately targeted?!

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4649 on: January 01, 2022, 08:24:58 AM »
https://news.yahoo.com/york-says-prioritize-non-white-171224095.html

Identity politics :lol

Liberals and progressives :lol

Liberals: we need to get more incentive to and concentrate on getting black and Latino populations vaccinated by making certain races more eligible to the vaccine!

Black and Latino populations that are vaccine skeptical and see it as a big science experiment on minorities: Wait we are being deliberately targeted?!

:dead Reset Era in real life :dead

It's about the treatments, not the vaccine. Those are in scarce supplies and I think eligibility is treated on demand from a patient/their consulting MD. I don't think a general hesitancy from some demographics is really relevant. Actually it might be a way to counterbalance hesitancy (alongside a studied, established trend of worst health outcomes for minorities in the US) to at least make sure they get access to post treatments in priority.

Those exact same guidelines exist in other states and that controversy about anti white racism is weeks old at that point. I guess you can take exception to that though it really reads more like a weighted variable in whatever formula they use to triage demands.
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« Reply #4650 on: January 01, 2022, 01:27:55 PM »
You know what really pisses of libruls? Nazis.
This what you should get next:
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Lots of camaraderie, too.
With this, your new friends will love you even more!


....but I thought Himu was trying to step away from socialism, not embrace it?
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« Reply #4651 on: January 01, 2022, 01:44:46 PM »
https://news.yahoo.com/york-says-prioritize-non-white-171224095.html

Identity politics :lol

Liberals and progressives :lol

Liberals: we need to get more incentive to and concentrate on getting black and Latino populations vaccinated by making certain races more eligible to the vaccine!

Black and Latino populations that are vaccine skeptical and see it as a big science experiment on minorities: Wait we are being deliberately targeted?!

:dead Reset Era in real life :dead

Okay, I read the memo and I'm with you on this one: this is absurd.  A risk factor defined simply on the basis of race is complete lunacy.    A multivariate risk score to prioritize individuals by risk on multiple characteristics is what you'd think they'd do to apportion a finite amount of resources.  It seems wrong to make white people meet a higher threshhold req simply on the basis of their race.   Unless there are biological differences between the races that affect how they respond to this virus, I don't see how this is even constitutional.   I'm open to having my mind changed, but...yeah.
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« Reply #4652 on: January 01, 2022, 02:27:05 PM »
https://news.yahoo.com/york-says-prioritize-non-white-171224095.html

Identity politics :lol

Liberals and progressives :lol

Liberals: we need to get more incentive to and concentrate on getting black and Latino populations vaccinated by making certain races more eligible to the vaccine!

Black and Latino populations that are vaccine skeptical and see it as a big science experiment on minorities: Wait we are being deliberately targeted?!

:dead Reset Era in real life :dead

It's about the treatments, not the vaccine. Those are in scarce supplies and I think eligibility is treated on demand from a patient/their consulting MD. I don't think a general hesitancy from some demographics is really relevant. Actually it might be a way to counterbalance hesitancy (alongside a studied, established trend of worst health outcomes for minorities in the US) to at least make sure they get access to post treatments in priority.

Those exact same guidelines exist in other states and that controversy about anti white racism is weeks old at that point. I guess you can take exception to that though it really reads more like a weighted variable in whatever formula they use to triage demands.

Prioritizing medical acts via race is absurd.
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« Reply #4653 on: January 01, 2022, 02:40:49 PM »
https://news.yahoo.com/york-says-prioritize-non-white-171224095.html

Identity politics :lol

Liberals and progressives :lol

Liberals: we need to get more incentive to and concentrate on getting black and Latino populations vaccinated by making certain races more eligible to the vaccine!

Black and Latino populations that are vaccine skeptical and see it as a big science experiment on minorities: Wait we are being deliberately targeted?!

:dead Reset Era in real life :dead

Okay, I read the memo and I'm with you on this one: this is absurd.  A risk factor defined simply on the basis of race is complete lunacy.    A multivariate risk score to prioritize individuals by risk on multiple characteristics is what you'd think they'd do to apportion a finite amount of resources.  It seems wrong to make white people meet a higher threshhold req simply on the basis of their race.   Unless there are biological differences between the races that affect how they respond to this virus, I don't see how this is even constitutional.   I'm open to having my mind changed, but...yeah.

Imagine laws like that.

Then you see this every goddamn day on your commute every day for a year.



Watch these videos. Look how many are black people or latinos. Minorities are being specifically targeted. You see this on some video display next to a bus stop.

Notice how they're almost all black.













After months and months and months it might start to seem like an agenda. Rumbler dismisses it as "oh it's just a sign about masks!" NO. THAT'S ONE LAYER OF IT. And that's just one law I posted. Imagine you saw this daily for almost two years. What would you think? What would your opinion of liberalism be?

Someone please vote the Democrats out.



This is why I said being a liberal in a red state is pretty easy. You do not have regular acts that make you question your viewpoints. It's pretty easy to see how someone would become a Communist in this environment, right? Or a conservative for that matter.
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« Reply #4654 on: January 01, 2022, 03:18:36 PM »
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« Reply #4655 on: January 01, 2022, 08:04:21 PM »
I will say on the matter of ads all featuring black people/minorities: that is the majority of media/ads now

and I'm not complaining about it like "omg bring back the nuclear hetero white family to my advertising," I'm just saying, that's how things are now, and it's not surprising that these ads would follow the same trend
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« Reply #4656 on: January 01, 2022, 09:21:46 PM »
Watch these videos. Look how many are black people or latinos. Minorities are being specifically targeted. You see this on some video display next to a bus stop.

Notice how they're almost all black.

You left one out from that "why I got vaccinated" series:



And then this one has people of different races in it.



It's almost as if NYC is a giant melting pot, with a lot of minorities, and they're putting out videos featuring people of different races and ethnic groups. I see they put out videos in multiple languages, too.  Perhaps there is a larger focus on minorities here because they have data showing that some groups are less vaccinated than others?  I dunno. 
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4657 on: January 01, 2022, 09:24:15 PM »
I will say on the matter of ads all featuring black people/minorities: that is the majority of media/ads now

and I'm not complaining about it like "omg bring back the nuclear hetero white family to my advertising," I'm just saying, that's how things are now, and it's not surprising that these ads would follow the same trend

these ads are about under represented and vulnerable sectors of society. Not a trend but a focused demo

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4658 on: January 01, 2022, 10:47:18 PM »
Liberals are making me do a MAGA because ads
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4659 on: January 02, 2022, 02:53:28 AM »
If himu (he-mu lol) was being serious he'd talk about

you can have whatever you like

i want joe biden, give me joe biden,

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« Reply #4660 on: January 02, 2022, 04:44:44 AM »
Liberals are making me do a MAGA because ads

If you think that's the summation of my points I will not be addressing you further. You aren't worth engaging with.

I will say on the matter of ads all featuring black people/minorities: that is the majority of media/ads now

and I'm not complaining about it like "omg bring back the nuclear hetero white family to my advertising," I'm just saying, that's how things are now, and it's not surprising that these ads would follow the same trend

This is a focused demographic.
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« Reply #4661 on: January 02, 2022, 04:51:10 AM »
Watch these videos. Look how many are black people or latinos. Minorities are being specifically targeted. You see this on some video display next to a bus stop.

Notice how they're almost all black.

You left one out from that "why I got vaccinated" series:



And then this one has people of different races in it.



It's almost as if NYC is a giant melting pot, with a lot of minorities, and they're putting out videos featuring people of different races and ethnic groups. I see they put out videos in multiple languages, too.  Perhaps there is a larger focus on minorities here because they have data showing that some groups are less vaccinated than others?  I dunno.

Have you read a damn thing I said? Of course they have data some groups are less vaccinated. You would do well to make less arguments and try to understand. You don't take my points made as a whole. You, like Rumbler, think this is just about ads because you're both fools.

It's about liberalism. Wokism to an extent as well, as per the Department of Health race ruling. My conclusion and argument made for pages? Liberalism does not work. Liberal solutions do not work. Throwing money at problems do not work. Forcing your narrative definitely doesn't work. Think this is about ads all you want. It's a critique on liberal approaches to the pandemic, their inability to respect individual rights, their endless virtue signaling and identification of the virus as an identity through capitalistic processes, their endless forcing of their narrative onto the rest of society, the failed promises, the lack of leadership, the woke policies. As said, the ads are just one layer. Put together and I have much reason to seek outside solutions whether it's communism or conservatism. Thankfully Benji has thrown in Libertarianisms hat.

Frankly, upon reflection, I realize that the main reason I'm pushed towards Republicans now is that they are opposition to the Democrats. But if the Republicans get in office and do jack shit it will force me to run to the Democrats. This cycle is ever repeating because I'm not a liberal and I'm not a conservative. On further extrapolation, this is also how MAGA likely got started. Democrats are so fucking bad that you have  to seek alternatives. Many naturally think Republicans are that alternative and because Democrats are so bad you end up digging your heels into the Republican position which forces going down a MAGA rabbit hole since what's the mainstream alternative besides supporting the Democratic Party? Benji is correct that there are options besides the ones I listed. The two party system needs to be abolished.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4662 on: January 02, 2022, 05:42:29 AM »
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/hillary-clinton-the-squad-demoncrats-midterms-b1984861.html

:dead You have more problems to worry about than the Squad. The Democrats are doing this to themselves, H-dawg.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4663 on: January 02, 2022, 09:50:31 AM »
It's about liberalism. Wokism to an extent as well, as per the Department of Health race ruling. My conclusion and argument made for pages? Liberalism does not work. Liberal solutions do not work.

What do you think liberalism is? As an ideological position, not as a Fox News strawman catch all.
Because you keep describing things that are fundamentally against most flavours of liberalisms core tenets as examples of why 'liberalism' is bad and doesn't work.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4664 on: January 02, 2022, 11:32:42 AM »
It's about liberalism. Wokism to an extent as well, as per the Department of Health race ruling. My conclusion and argument made for pages? Liberalism does not work. Liberal solutions do not work.

What do you think liberalism is? As an ideological position, not as a Fox News strawman catch all.
Because you keep describing things that are fundamentally against most flavours of liberalisms core tenets as examples of why 'liberalism' is bad and doesn't work.

Fair enough and well met.

I'm currently on my phone now and can't explain this in-depth in a comfortable manner without access to a keyboard. However, in short, to me, I'm defining liberalism as a capitalistic, economic, and socio phenomenon interpretation of "more". More regulation, more laws, more red tape, more government, more social programs, more spending, more taxes. Although I lived in NYC briefly before for the majority of my life I've lived in red states and I was born and raised in Texas. Being a black American I've voted for Democrats my whole life even when I started to loathe them. I voted green party in 2012 election against Obama so my issues with the donkeys has been over a decade in the running. However, being from the south I've been insulated from the reality of Democratic policy making on a state and local level, being that my home rep. district is middle class and Republican.

I love New York to death I plan on dying in the Northeast however seeing the reality of liberal/progressive spending combined with their reactions to the pandemic reveal I've been voting outside of my actual viewpoints because of tradition and demographic pressure (being a black American). NYC is full of red tape. Property taxes are insane. Property codes are insane. Everything is regulated to a ridiculous degree as people struggle to afford housing. Yet the government gaslights us into thinking it cares. As said pages back, NYC spends 3.9 billion on homeless care and yet we have a crisis. Is all of the money truly going to homeless support? So many of liberal policies means simply throwing money at a problem and hoping it fixes itself. Then we look at the federal level. Joe Biden administration has been putting us in severe inflation.

Last summer was probably the best summer I've had as an adult. It was dreamlike and the NYC I love and remember the most. Most of us were vaxxed, the pandemic numbers were low, we were free and fucking lived like it. And then September rolled around that fuck Sleepy Joe announced vaccine mandates. Suddenly New York state follows his line despite stable COVID numbers and some of the highest vax rates in the country and starts firing healthcare workers for not being vaccinated during a time when we have a healthcare worker shortage in the middle of a pandemic. Governments making mandates that private businesses force customers and employees to be vaccinated. More, more, more. It's never enough for the liberals. Granted, a private business or whatever can fire whoever it wants. But when the government gets involved and mandates what businesses have to do is when I have a problem.

Then we have the Department of Health racial justice vaccine policy posted this page. More, more, more. It's always more.

If there's any evidence it works I'd like to see it but having lived in two states of ideological opposites I learned what politics I like and it's leaving me the fuck alone to choose my own choices while also not harming the public. The conservatives in Texas are just as problematic. Dan Patrick shoving shit down our throats in a pandemic and telling us to sacrifice grandma and grandpa was heinous. The governor opened up Texas for memorial day during a pandemic for nothing more than cash flow. The conservatives are making their own mandates which are anti-mandate mandates and not allowing businesses to do whatever the fuck they want. It's the opposite extreme of the liberals and just as barbaric.

What I miss is my country and state and city allowing me to choose my own goddamn decisions to get vaxxed on my own fucking time and letting us live our lives without endless moralization of a health choice. I CHOSE to get vaxxed and now it's no longer a choice. I really miss the world from last summer!

More, more, more.

It never ends. Granted, there are some cases when more is necessary. The COVID checks were necessary for example given the context. But there has to come to a point where we stop with more.

I ended up saying fuck it and writing it now instead of waiting for a keyboard. :lol
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4665 on: January 02, 2022, 11:36:13 AM »
It's about liberalism. Wokism to an extent as well, as per the Department of Health race ruling. My conclusion and argument made for pages? Liberalism does not work. Liberal solutions do not work.

What do you think liberalism is? As an ideological position, not as a Fox News strawman catch all.
Because you keep describing things that are fundamentally against most flavours of liberalisms core tenets as examples of why 'liberalism' is bad and doesn't work.

Fair enough and well met.

I'm currently on my phone now and can't explain this in-depth in a comfortable manner without access to a keyboard. However, in short, to me, I'm defining liberalism as a capitalistic, economic, and socio phenomenon interpretation of "more". More regulation, more laws, more red tape, more government, more social programs, more spending, more taxes.

I'm watching american history x right now.

This is like almost the verbatim scene of connor filming his sister and spouting off about "hillary rodham clinton" and z i o n nation and liberal media.


This joke character is on point.

If not, you're fucking lost out of you mind.

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« Reply #4666 on: January 02, 2022, 11:37:24 AM »
It's about liberalism. Wokism to an extent as well, as per the Department of Health race ruling. My conclusion and argument made for pages? Liberalism does not work. Liberal solutions do not work.

What do you think liberalism is? As an ideological position, not as a Fox News strawman catch all.
Because you keep describing things that are fundamentally against most flavours of liberalisms core tenets as examples of why 'liberalism' is bad and doesn't work.

Fair enough and well met.

I'm currently on my phone now and can't explain this in-depth in a comfortable manner without access to a keyboard. However, in short, to me, I'm defining liberalism as a capitalistic, economic, and socio phenomenon interpretation of "more". More regulation, more laws, more red tape, more government, more social programs, more spending, more taxes.

I'm watching american history x right now.

This is like almost the verbatim scene of connor filming his sister and spouting off about "hillary rodham clinton".


This joke character is on point.

This is another case against liberalism. Liberals are dicks. Especially white liberals. Good Lord they're the fucking worst. Cauliflower is the gay equivalent of a Karen.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4667 on: January 02, 2022, 11:45:46 AM »
I am not endorsing libertarianism. I am libertarian as much as I am liberal. I am simply endorsing not-MAGA. Along with the idea that there are more than three choices and that you don't have to align yourself lockstep with any single one. (I also think that equating MAGA and conservatism is a misstep.)
Benji, query:

One of my biggest  niggles against libertarians has been their anti-tax rhetoric. I understand it but what do they suggest we replace taxes with? After all they fund important things such as public transport, bridges, healthcare. What's their alternative? I'm currently on state funded healthcare and I receive very good services. Is the anti-tax rhetoric not similar to leftists utopian ideals? A problem with liberalism/progressivism is that so much of it is hope based. "Wouldn't it be nice if....?" is basically their platform. I'm reading the Libertarian Party website now and taxes are the first issue listed on the platform. In what way is this not "wouldn't it be nice if there were no taxes?" Are libertarians going off of real world examples to produce results for their arguments or are they like the leftists and basing everything off of laughable emotions, and theory, and what ifs, and envisioning a future, and the political equivalent of being a LARPer?
Libertarians are not anarchists. That said, many are minarchists. Police, courts, military and minimal taxes. But this isn't a requirement. Hayek argued for a strong safety net. Milton Friedman was one of the earliest advocates of UBI. (And convinced the decidedly non-libertarian Nixon.) Ancaps are allies of libertarians for many reasons and they hold a strong position within the movement but they aren't even a plurality. Mises was more of an ancap. Nozick and Hess were all over the place. Some libertarians consider a VAT to be more libertarian than income taxes, arguably the opposite of the US status quo.

Libertarianism doesn't have a limiting principle, not even the NAP. American libertarians make lots of Constitution-based arguments because of its position within American political culture and because it provides an actual limiting principle. I'd argue that at least a plurality of libertarians (and libertarian-leaners, especially those who stay Republicans) don't like immigration. Yet for the first hundred years of the country there were no immigration laws at all. Nonetheless, many libertarians believe that the non-criminal violation of immigration law constitutes an "invasion" and justifies the creation of a military police state. Other libertarians (and especially ancaps) view the path as the eventual erasure of borders and thus support a streamlining of immigration law on the way to its eventual elimination and consider this both more libertarian and more constitutional. Many libertarians (though not the ancaps) believe in some form of what Tyler Cowen calls state capacity libertarianism on the basis that a strong state protects capitalism. But a strong state doesn't necessitate a large or highly active state either.

The joke about libertarians is the same as the one about economists, Jews, communists, etc. Put ten of them in a room and you'll get eleven opinions on what libertarianism is. Of course, all things being equal, a libertarian will usually argue for smaller government and less taxes than the status quo, whatever it is.

Most estimates are that libertarians and libertarian-leaners are about 5% of the American populace. A large chunk doesn't vote almost ever, another large chunk votes Republican, many are swing voters, many vote locally but don't care about the Presidency or Congress. Sometimes in a good year (2016 presidential race, 2013 Virginia governors race, etc.) a plurality will vote for the Libertarian Party itself based on the candidate. Sometimes Democrats even get libertarian support, see your Polis posts above but also people like Ron Wyden and the much mocked but sometimes not wrong liberaltarian which got revived as anti-Trump opposition after dormancy during the Obama presidency. There's also the left libertarian which is still not a libertarian socialist. (I think the former makes a much stronger case than the latter though it is more popular within self-described anarchists (and Yurop) than American libertarians.)

Again, I'm not suggesting you (or anyone) should be a libertarian for the views you've recently expressed, that's why I mentioned the Marxists against social studies warriors (Freddie de Boer is pretty prominent) and COVID hysteria (too many to mention) among the other choices. Not that there's anything wrong with being a libertarian inherently. More what I was expressing was that there's no need to throw yourself into the MAGA package (or any single package) over a single issue, opposition to Democrats and "liberal policies" or even a desire to vote Republican in the next local race. Instead it's fine to do all these things while being mostly libertarian, Marxist, liberal, neo-fascist, whatever.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4668 on: January 02, 2022, 11:46:24 AM »
Imagine thinking you know who others are.

Wait that's what you're doing and so vehemently wrong.

It's like watching someone wrongly correct a slide in the rain. 

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« Reply #4669 on: January 02, 2022, 11:47:34 AM »
is himu confusing liberals and libertarians?

cause

:neogaf

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4670 on: January 02, 2022, 11:53:04 AM »
I know you're a dick and that's enough for me.

Great Sage, here's more example of liberal oversight, lack of choice, and forcing their lifestyle on others.

https://www.vox.com/2021/12/16/22834653/new-york-gas-ban-buildings-climate-change-gas-stoves

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/brooklynites-could-see-property-tax-hike-under-proposed-city-reforms/ar-AASjD9l?ocid=BingNewsSearch



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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4671 on: January 02, 2022, 11:55:16 AM »
I am not endorsing libertarianism. I am libertarian as much as I am liberal. I am simply endorsing not-MAGA. Along with the idea that there are more than three choices and that you don't have to align yourself lockstep with any single one. (I also think that equating MAGA and conservatism is a misstep.)
Benji, query:

One of my biggest  niggles against libertarians has been their anti-tax rhetoric. I understand it but what do they suggest we replace taxes with? After all they fund important things such as public transport, bridges, healthcare. What's their alternative? I'm currently on state funded healthcare and I receive very good services. Is the anti-tax rhetoric not similar to leftists utopian ideals? A problem with liberalism/progressivism is that so much of it is hope based. "Wouldn't it be nice if....?" is basically their platform. I'm reading the Libertarian Party website now and taxes are the first issue listed on the platform. In what way is this not "wouldn't it be nice if there were no taxes?" Are libertarians going off of real world examples to produce results for their arguments or are they like the leftists and basing everything off of laughable emotions, and theory, and what ifs, and envisioning a future, and the political equivalent of being a LARPer?
Libertarians are not anarchists. That said, many are minarchists. Police, courts, military and minimal taxes. But this isn't a requirement. Hayek argued for a strong safety net. Milton Friedman was one of the earliest advocates of UBI. (And convinced the decidedly non-libertarian Nixon.) Ancaps are allies of libertarians for many reasons and they hold a strong position within the movement but they aren't even a plurality. Mises was more of an ancap. Nozick and Hess were all over the place. Some libertarians consider a VAT to be more libertarian than income taxes, arguably the opposite of the US status quo.

Libertarianism doesn't have a limiting principle, not even the NAP. American libertarians make lots of Constitution-based arguments because of its position within American political culture and because it provides an actual limiting principle. I'd argue that at least a plurality of libertarians (and libertarian-leaners, especially those who stay Republicans) don't like immigration. Yet for the first hundred years of the country there were no immigration laws at all. Nonetheless, many libertarians believe that the non-criminal violation of immigration law constitutes an "invasion" and justifies the creation of a military police state. Other libertarians (and especially ancaps) view the path as the eventual erasure of borders and thus support a streamlining of immigration law on the way to its eventual elimination and consider this both more libertarian and more constitutional. Many libertarians (though not the ancaps) believe in some form of what Tyler Cowen calls state capacity libertarianism on the basis that a strong state protects capitalism. But a strong state doesn't necessitate a large or highly active state either.

The joke about libertarians is the same as the one about economists, Jews, communists, etc. Put ten of them in a room and you'll get eleven opinions on what libertarianism is. Of course, all things being equal, a libertarian will usually argue for smaller government and less taxes than the status quo, whatever it is.

Most estimates are that libertarians and libertarian-leaners are about 5% of the American populace. A large chunk doesn't vote almost ever, another large chunk votes Republican, many are swing voters, many vote locally but don't care about the Presidency or Congress. Sometimes in a good year (2016 presidential race, 2013 Virginia governors race, etc.) a plurality will vote for the Libertarian Party itself based on the candidate. Sometimes Democrats even get libertarian support, see your Polis posts above but also people like Ron Wyden and the much mocked but sometimes not wrong liberaltarian which got revived as anti-Trump opposition after dormancy during the Obama presidency. There's also the left libertarian which is still not a libertarian socialist. (I think the former makes a much stronger case than the latter though it is more popular within self-described anarchists (and Yurop) than American libertarians.)

Again, I'm not suggesting you (or anyone) should be a libertarian for the views you've recently expressed, that's why I mentioned the Marxists against social studies warriors (Freddie de Boer is pretty prominent) and COVID hysteria (too many to mention) among the other choices. Not that there's anything wrong with being a libertarian inherently. More what I was expressing was that there's no need to throw yourself into the MAGA package (or any single package) over a single issue, opposition to Democrats and "liberal policies" or even a desire to vote Republican in the next local race. Instead it's fine to do all these things while being mostly libertarian, Marxist, liberal, neo-fascist, whatever.

True enough. MAGA and Republicans aren't even true conservatives at this point.

Yeah, I've read libertarian views on taxes and they're surprisingly open minded and diverse on it despite the "lol what about roads lol" meme.
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« Reply #4672 on: January 02, 2022, 11:59:22 AM »
I know you're a dick and that's enough for me.

Great Sage, here's more example of liberal oversight, lack of choice, and forcing their lifestyle on others.

https://www.vox.com/2021/12/16/22834653/new-york-gas-ban-buildings-climate-change-gas-stoves

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/brooklynites-could-see-property-tax-hike-under-proposed-city-reforms/ar-AASjD9l?ocid=BingNewsSearch





This isn't an ideological issue.

This is fuck you I got mine, lets kick every poor out, issue. It spans the spectrum.

It's like you don't read past the headline of what you post.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4673 on: January 02, 2022, 12:00:20 PM »
https://www.vox.com/2021/12/16/22834653/new-york-gas-ban-buildings-climate-change-gas-stoves
Story oddly doesn't mention how the same climate activists and Democrats (like AOC) in New York spent much of the prior year demanding Indian Point nuclear plant be shut down immediately and replaced with natural gas. To help fight climate change of course.

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« Reply #4674 on: January 02, 2022, 12:04:42 PM »
Benji I wanted to thank you for reminding me there's a choice beyond MAGA because I've been teetering on going that way for months.

https://www.vox.com/2021/12/16/22834653/new-york-gas-ban-buildings-climate-change-gas-stoves
Story oddly doesn't mention how the same climate activists and Democrats (like AOC) in New York spent much of the prior year demanding Indian Point nuclear plant be shut down immediately and replaced with natural gas. To help fight climate change of course.

Yeah the progressives like AOC are a massive fucking joke. :lol They truly believe their solutions and only their solutions are valid and want to force it on the rest of society.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4675 on: January 02, 2022, 12:13:31 PM »
AOC getting under people's skin this early is pretty great to be honest.

trump knew this and it's what he feeded off when it queens time. and he won, because people are idiots.


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« Reply #4677 on: January 02, 2022, 12:18:59 PM »
that's the same type of bills crafted for politicians to be able to claim residency in a place that's an easy win during an election. but voting rights.


States rights deem that state residency is different from US residency. 

Are you against states rights?

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4678 on: January 02, 2022, 12:24:03 PM »
If it takes me a year to become a state resident to get in state tuition rate an illegal immigrant shouldn't have the right to vote within 30 days of arriving here. :)
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« Reply #4679 on: January 02, 2022, 12:30:53 PM »
If it takes me a year to become a state resident to get in state tuition rate an illegal immigrant shouldn't have the right to vote within 30 days of arriving here. :)

Save for a few states. Any resident who pays local taxes and physically resides in a state is a resident in the state. And has rights to vote in local elections.

Residency for state tuition in colleges is a speed stop to get students to pay higher fees. Universities and colleges have no qualms about letting illegal immigrants studying at 3x rates of in state.

There is no illegal immigration between state because that falls under federal jurisdiction of sovereign nations. And guess what, states are not sovereign nations.