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[Nintex]

Somehow I don’t think pseudoscience is the only or even most prominent thing to worry about, especially when bigotry and Facism are involved.

But fascism is based on pseudoscience my boy, that and anime.

ACAB

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[Snoopycat_]

These divs must be off their meds

And let's call a spade a spade here. Even if unintended, we don't have to use flowery language. It was a racist joke.

Doesn't calling a spade a spade have racist connotations?

Oh wow, I did not know that. Thanks for the heads up, will amend my post now.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-deathloop-really-a-masterpiece-girlfriend-reviews.491625/page-5#post-74117736

[Nintex]

The pot calls the kettle black

[Switters]

Meanwhile, Messianicego is sweating because he's not sure who's twitter to send a snitch link to and the time to capitalize on it before someone else proudly declares they've snitched on twitters is running out!!!

Michelle Obama?... no..
Whole Foods?... no...
Kevin Feige?....no...
CVS?....no...

Dammit!!

[Don Rumata]

It's so funny how worked up they got about some random name joke (that they do for every person in their videos anyway, not just people with "foreign names"). 

"Is there someone we can call? Have they already addressed the possibility of a presidential pardon?! ANY UPDATES?!"

They seem to be dragging the dude more than the girl though, maybe if she splits up with him, she can still be redeemed. 

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/DBakaba/status/1442092398343901187

[Switters]

Holy shit! Just snitched right at the world and was told I DON'T CARE.

 

[HaughtyFrank]

They seem to be dragging the dude more than the girl though, maybe if she splits up with him, she can still be redeemed. 

I feel sorry for her. This dude is pathetic

 

[M]

I don't understand why that idiot with the Labrador profile pic is not banned. He just goes in threads making unfunny posts that are off topic and dumb. Fuck him. This is annoying me. Somebody report him.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

era's dinkycrough?

[benjipwns]

I don't understand why that idiot with the Labrador profile pic is not banned. He just goes in threads making unfunny posts that are off topic and dumb. Fuck him. This is annoying me. Somebody report him.

You can't ban dogs. It's in the Constitution.

[HaughtyFrank]

Girlfriends reviews is back on the menu boys!

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-deathloop-really-a-masterpiece-girlfriend-reviews.491625/page-3

Tomi Lahren?

Benedict Cumberpatch?

Oh wait, they were different.

They've already decided that girlfriend reviews doing this with a number of white people in their previous videos doesn't matter

[remy]

Glad to see Crossing Eden made some time out of his busy schedule of astroturfing to write multiple diatribes on why Bayonetta Needs To Fuck Like In The Last Of Us in the slut shaming thread

fucking bizarre

[ShutUp]

The grown man so insecure his parents finally had enough of him and arranged a marriage for him to get him off their back wants to talk about others being insecure, in a video series where they always mock someone’s name, regardless of skin color. Cancel culture totally, totally, please believe us, does NOT exist.

[Pissy F Benny]

messy is a such a snitch loser

god i feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with this wet blanket irl, i imagine he has no mates

[ShutUp]

Guy is married and still seems to spend all his free time on Era 

[Pissy F Benny]

i imagine his wife (very nice!) tries to spend as little time as possible with him.

hopefully shes being satisfied by a real man

[HaughtyFrank]

Glad to see Crossing Eden made some time out of his busy schedule of astroturfing to write multiple diatribes on why Bayonetta Needs To Fuck Like In The Last Of Us in the slut shaming thread

fucking bizarre

 I don't even know where to begin about how deranged this rant is. Maybe the part where he post pictures of a fully clothed Bayonetta and claims that it horribly objectifies her

[BIONIC]

Constructive thread dump:

User banned (duration pending review): Highly inflammatory comparison to police shootings, prior serious infractions

This happens because moderators on Era don't follow the stated mod policy on Era.

I rarely see posters get warnings, or nudges to get back on track ([USER=16]Hecht[/USER] is a notable exception here). Instead it's just straight to a ban.

Moderation policy as written is good. In practice, the mods act more like American cops, "shoot first, and sort it all out later."

User banned (duration pending): Excessive vitriol and personal attacks

Honestly, I’m disgusted Morrigan was ever a mod in the first place. Their history of islamophobic bullshit on Gaf wasn’t exactly secret so I’m confused as to how we even got to this point in the first place.

And to have someone RIGHTFULLY pull their card and eat a PERMANENT ban is exactly what I’d expect from the  staff of this site tbh. What a fucking joke

Edit: you know, I would actually like to know how mods are vouched. Because who is responsible for shit like this power trip?

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.resetera.com/threads/in-an-attempt-to-look-like-good-guys-blizzard-changes-nude-portrait-into-a-still-life-of-fruit.487471/[/URL]

how are we expected to trust the staff when we’re not sure the staff won’t appoint another janky ass moderator who has no business in that role.

We don't like to make a habit of putting former staff in the spotlight when they're actively being targeted by hate groups, so we're only going to address this once: Before this site existed Morrigan used to be critical of Islam in the same way she was critical of Christianity, from a feminist point of view. Since then she's gained a much greater understanding of intersectionality and Islam today, and has understood for years now that Islam deserves more sensitivity because of how Muslims are marginalized in the west. Muslim staff who actually worked with her were consulted about this and made it clear that they did not believe she was Islamophobic or biased in her moderation.

This is something we've received questions about privately in the past and have always been happy to answer. It's not lost on us that the people going after her now have never bothered to bring it up with us before. At any rate, she's no longer on staff and this isn't a topic that we're going to dwell on.

Sticking with the Hitler Morrigan did nothing wrong stance.

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Probably because she has discord receipts on all their asses 

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[clothedmacuser]

i imagine his wife (very nice!) tries to spend as little time as possible with him.

hopefully shes being satisfied by a real man

I Imagine their together time is him showing her hours of YouTube Explains videos about how racism is the root the of the 1791 Whiskey Rebellion.  She has to pretend to watch as he perches nearby studying her body language to make sure she "gets it."

I don't like shit shitting on Mess because it seems like he figured a way out of ERA and with time will be able to leave the toxic landscape.   But when he gets high and mighty he is such an easy target one  doesn't feel bad for mocking.

[Uncle]

Before this site existed Morrigan used to be critical of Islam in the same way she was critical of Christianity, from a feminist point of view. Since then she's gained a much greater understanding of intersectionality and Islam today, and has understood for years now that Islam deserves more sensitivity because of how Muslims are marginalized in the west.

 

this is basically saying that if muslims become less marginalized in the coming years, and everyone starts to accept them for who they are and says "eh your religion is alright, bub," ONLY THEN can you criticize their horrible backwards views

everyone criticizing their horrible backwards views RIGHT NOW is problematic, you have to wait until everyone stops and then you can start again

 

[Uncle]

in the past Morrigan was highly critical of Epstein for being a pedophile who enabled other pedophiles, but Morrigan has since learned that he deserves some respect and consideration for his humanity, due to how many people currently hate him and say mean things about him

 

[Don Rumata]

i imagine his wife (very nice!) tries to spend as little time as possible with him.

hopefully shes being satisfied by a real man

As per contract obligations. 

[nobody of note]

Mods using the opinion of other mods to justify not holding history against another mod is an interesting defense tactic amid accusations of staff defaulting to defending their own. Likewise, when being “abusive” to mods in PMs or reports is insta permaban, and abuse has a very loose definition, it’s probably dumb to think it makes sense to only explain your position in private and it won’t keep popping up from new people forever.

Even when they’re actually publicly explaining, it’s crammed with reminders of how insular the staff can behave and how much they hate being on the record for anything messy. But at least now they have a post to link when she’s inevitably reinstated.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Look, it's really very simple;

Morrigan gets a pass because her cronies said it's fine for her to say what she wants about Islam, in exactly the same way you plebs will get banned if you say that your girlfriend doesn't find an image sexualised or degrading, your chinese wife doesn't agree something is sinophobic or your black friends bought a Cypress Hill album back in the day even though it has a white guy singing "a nicca like me is going insane"

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

👏 MINORITIES 👏 ARE 👏 NOT 👏 A 👏 MONOLITH 👏 UNLESS 👏 WE 👏 CHOOSE 👏 TO 👏 PRETEND 👏 THEY 👏 ARE 👏

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

[HaughtyFrank]

Also love the conclusion that this won't be discussed further because she isn't a mod anymore.

Can't critic staff, can't critic former staff. Just shut up pleb

[Straight Edge]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-best-selling-vehicles-in-america-by-state.491931/

Sedans are dead basically.

Automakers love this too. Higher profit margins on SUV/Trucks.

Also the rise of 7 year car notes as a result.

Shots fired!
 :nepenthe

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-i-just-came-across-an-anti-biden-sign-that-said-impeach-the-bastard-.491910/

Every time I go to the Gamer Club on Friday, I

Hold up 

[Nintex]

[Pissy F Benny]

i imagine his wife (very nice!) tries to spend as little time as possible with him.

hopefully shes being satisfied by a real man

As per contract obligations. 

let's face it, going by his online persona the man seems like he'd be more than willing to get cucked

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-best-selling-vehicles-in-america-by-state.491931/

Sedans are dead basically.

Automakers love this too. Higher profit margins on SUV/Trucks.

Also the rise of 7 year car notes as a result.

Shots fired!
 :nepenthe

Incoming ban   

[HaughtyFrank]

To be fair to Messi, at least he didn't tag the guy. Looks more like he happened to see it because if the deathloop hashtag. Messi including a picture of the two is pretty  though

[Don Rumata]

To be fair, making fun of names is so low brow, John Oliver does it. 

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Hide your kids everyone! Guess who’s a free man again.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Incoming "who?" era mod!

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

"We would like to welcome our new moderator, xorima! They have always publicly held the right kind of opinions, and have a wealth of experience as a forum moderator, and as such are perfect for the role"

[BisMarckie]

At 5‘8 250, he would be a good fit for the Bore mod team.

[HaughtyFrank]

Just because you don't believe in it, doesn't mean its stupid. Let folks live their lives.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/im-pretty-baffled-by-how-mainstream-astrology-etc-has-become.491449/post-74147547


The witch strikes again

[CHOW CHOW]

The Nintendie spin-off forum name:

http://www.famiboards.com/

[Potato]

Just because you don't believe in it, doesn't mean its stupid. Let folks live their lives.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/im-pretty-baffled-by-how-mainstream-astrology-etc-has-become.491449/post-74147547


The witch strikes again

I wonder if she feels the same about Mormons?

[samir]

Before this site existed Morrigan used to be critical of Islam in the same way she was critical of Christianity, from a feminist point of view. Since then she's gained a much greater understanding of intersectionality and Islam today, and has understood for years now that Islam deserves more sensitivity because of how Muslims are marginalized in the west.

Fuck this bullshit and fuck you America for exporting this way of thinking to the rest of the world.

[Lonewulfeus]

Just because you don't believe in it, doesn't mean its stupid. Let folks live their lives.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/im-pretty-baffled-by-how-mainstream-astrology-etc-has-become.491449/post-74147547


The witch strikes again

She used the power of 3(mods) to lock that thread

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Yup that’s a charmed joke in 2021 and I’m going to go commit toaster bath now

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[HaughtyFrank]

[Pissy F Benny]

spoiler alert: everyone else in those pics is male

[D3RANG3D]

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[Taco Bell Tower]

spoiler alert: everyone else in those pics is male

https://www.resetera.com/threads/terfs-are-targeting-bottoms-now.491994/#post-74149914

[Lonewulfeus]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fuck-it-i’ll-take-the-ban-admins-seriously-both-siding-pseudoscience-in-the-middle-of-a-pandemic.492006/

He ain’t wrong, but

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fuck-it-i’ll-take-the-ban-admins-seriously-both-siding-pseudoscience-in-the-middle-of-a-pandemic.492006/

He ain’t wrong, but

Cringeworthy lock message, tbh. Astrology is stupid. It's not anyone's job to coddle people who believe in asinine things.

 

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fuck-it-i’ll-take-the-ban-admins-seriously-both-siding-pseudoscience-in-the-middle-of-a-pandemic.492006/

He ain’t wrong, but

Cringeworthy lock message, tbh. Astrology is stupid. It's not anyone's job to coddle people who believe in asinine things.

 

Mhhh

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vaccine-hesitancy-among-black-athletes-and-celebrities-educate-me.491997/

Historical context aside, a year has been passed for the rich privileged athletes and celebrities to stop thinking they are going to get a small dick after their shoot.

[Boredfrom]

. Because the Government and America in general still treats black people like shit?

Okay, but we are taking about black celebrities and athletes...

[nobody of note]

Constructive thread popping off about the Astrology thread already:

i cannot believe it's 2021 and apparently this forum does not want anyone to call ASTROLOGY silly nonsense because it hurts some people's feefees. if y'all want to close the thread, fine, but "just because you don't believe in it, doesn't mean its stupid. Let folks live their lives." is not how this forum has ever operated on any principled level. let people have civil disagreements ffs. I swear this forum is full of enormous babies who cannot handle seeing someone express an opinion they disagree with.

Overall, it seemed like it was going okay.  I'm not sure why the astrology thread was locked while the "Mormon soaking" thread remains open.

I know religion and spirituality can lead to awkward and heated discussions but I don't understand the logic behind this one.

If the idea is that astrology is so contentious that constructive and civil discussion about it is basically impossible, and so the official stance is that it's one of those topics that we just can't do here, then so be it, but the official lock message was explicitly taking one side of the discussion and chastising the other side, which is decidedly more heavy handed and prescriptive, so that would lead me to wonder what the acceptable range of opinions about astrology here is.

this one is even sillier than closing the thread on witches.

Made funnier because Hecht has an unrelated post about conflicts of interest that appears immediately after the first astrology post:

The rule you quoted was meant as an example (to be fair, it should be "e.g.," not "i.e."). It's there to quell conspiracy theories about creators (any creators, not just the one listed) having some sort of platform bias and derailing sales threads.

cvx doesn't moderate anything Limited Run Games-related.  We also have a policy of multiple moderators concurring and discussing reports in order to prevent that sort of thing - no one moderator's bias should be the basis for taking action on a report.  And on the off chance someone did do that, we can look at the logs and figure out what happened.

We also follow the forum's rules of self-promotion.  If anyone on staff works somewhere in the gaming industry, whether a developer, a journalist, reviewer, or what-have-you, they won't be creating any threads or making any posts promoting their "product." It's as simple as that. These people may have valuable knowledge and experience that helps us understand aspects of the industry that aren't completely obvious, but we make sure that there isn't any conflict of interest when it comes to moderation.

I would think it's obvious by now that we aren't beholden to any company here, nor do we really care about "protecting" people or companies that are receiving criticism.  Even after media outlets have moved on from any sort of criticism, we still have OTs and threads open for people to discuss it.

It's mostly funny to take this big long statement about how they preserve the integrity of gaming moderation in the face of potential bias/conflicts of interest, up against "which beliefs are valid to make fun of and which aren't depends mostly on which ones hurt mod feelings."

[Don Rumata]

Idk, if this is about the astrology thread i'm gonna need some concrete examples of astrology ruining peoples lives beyond "oh no i tried to date someone and they were super into astrology".

It's full of charlatans that target dumb (usually old) people with tarots, astrology, fortune telling and all sorts of related bullshit, sometimes leaving them in financial ruin.
If you read the horoscope in the morning and that's it, it's not harming anyone, but to claim it's all completely harmless fun, it's bollocks. 
Also, it's fucking stupid and you're a moron if you believe it. 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/marenaltman/status/1442087416869830658

[BisMarckie]

I wanted to include the rest of the transcript from this Twitch live stream in case it gets deleted or people don't want to watch it.

This is very long because they keep repeating the same points. I'm sorry. But this is to make sure they can't be taken out of context or whatever Matt moans about. Matt keeps saying he gets what Shelby is saying but he really doesn't, dozens of times. They keep going back to it and Shelby had to keep repeating her points because Matt didn't get it and was overly defensive all the way through. Matt is at peak white fragility here and then goes quite grandiose and very performative ally by saying how progressive they are and for changing 10,000 peoples' lives about women and LGBTQ *head hurts*. Yet he straight up says Dinga's name is silly. He says anyone saying they did a racist action is the real racist, yes he really went for the reverse racism card. ResetEra is brought up a few times. Basically, Shelby understands microaggressions by the very end and I ain't ever trusting Matt on whatever he says if he can't even get what his girlfriend is putting down...

Matt: "And I think Dinga Bakaba has had his fair share of whatever and he's totally fine with it. He's a grown man and his feelings aren't hurt."
Shelby: "It didn't even cross my mind so I obviously don't - [inaudible] no, I want to acknowledge something..."
Matt: "These people don't need to be acknowledged. It's not ok to go around- I disagree. Going around, claiming what someone is doing is racist when they're clearly not is -"
Shelby: "I'm trying to be sympathetic to it."
Matt: "You're making accusations that are SO hurtful. Putting thoughts and intentions into our words. I don't think it's ok to get away with doing that in the culture we're living in. Looking for something to be mad about. Everyone's tip-toeing around all the time. It's stupid."
Shelby: "But it's not our place to decide if it's ok or not. People with foreign names that are - that have had that their whole lives, that have been bothered by it, that's not cool."
Matt: "But people make fun of names that aren't foreign."
Shelby: "I know that."
Matt: "Just nothing to do with it being foreign."
Shelby: "I didn't even think about it. Didn't even cross my mind. I don't know if I would go so far as to call it as being racist but I can see it being tone-deaf. I understand that a bit better. But it definitely wasn't intentional. Just ignorance, I guess."
Matt: "I'm not giving it any of my energy or thoughts."
Shelby: "But it bothers me."
Matt: "I get it. I'm just trying to say don't let them get to you. What they're trying to do. What they're doing, calling you racist, the most unracist person ever is worse than us saying Dinky Baklava. We're just being silly. Schoolyard stupid humour that no one should take seriously. Race doesn't have anything to do with it. They're making you feel worse than we could ever have made Geoff Keighley by calling him Geoff Keeblar."
Shelby: "It's different. The intent behind it, historically."
Matt: "We are going to stop all this fucking stupid racism talk now. I understand you can be racist without intent but I don't think playfully changing someone's name a bit is in any way related to race. And saying as much is HARMFUL."
Shelby: "It's not silly though! I want to know if we did something stupid and we're not the ones who can decide that."
Matt: "Neither is one random person on Twitter!"
Shelby: "It's not just one random person on Twitter. There's a consensus behind it. It's a handful of people. It's something that's been brought to my attention. We didn't intend to do something insensitive. It's silly always but it doesn't matter. I feel shitty about it. I don't want to get mad at people for trying to be 'hey that's not cool'.
Matt: "I think people are being all like opportunists. There's like standards. How come no one has done this when we've done it to other people's names. YOU'RE THE ONE bringing race into it now. You don't say anything, it's crickets, until someone has a different skin colour than white, and now you're trying to claim we're racist. And that's NOT COOL. What those people are doing is like, almost like THEY'RE THE ONE BEING RACISTS OR SOMETHING?!"
Shelby: "My thought when I read that was like 'why'. Do you think that 'baklava' is racist because it's a middle eastern food? I was really confused so I don't-"
Matt: "It's still not crossing my mind. If we called him a slur or something. There's nothing racial about it."
Shelby: "I get it now. It's not about that. Just the ignorance. It's not like we did something horribly mean."
Matt: "Don't feel bad, baby. I'm sure that his feelings are not hurt."
Shelby: "It's not about that."
Matt: "I'm sorry you felt sad at the end of the stream."
Shelby: "What I don't want is to put any more negativity or bad feelings for anyone in a minority or marginalised group. I don't want to put any more of that into the gaming community. When someone comes with concerns, I want to be receptive and I want to make a nice time. If this conversation truly bothers you, MrCoconut (someone in chat), you're welcome to leave. I'm allowed to say what I want in my stream. I don't want anyone to feel they can't come and express their concerns to us because I want it to be a nice time and I want to be receptive and whatever."
Matt: "I'm just going to say I don't want you to feel like you can do that if you have some sort of malicious intent behind it."
Shelby: "It doesn't matter if you intended to hurt someone's feelings or not. If you still hurt their feelings-"
Matt: "If there's an actual concern."
Shelby: "It doesn't matter in any situation."
Matt: "I feel like people weaponise that sort of thing."
Shelby: "Even with the people I disagree with the most, I don't want them to feel their feelings aren't valid. We have nothing but love for everyone. If you want to bring concerns up to us, I'll listen."
Matt: "Before you go on Twitter and call a content creator or public figure racist or that they did something racist, the internet is a dangerous place where your comment, with no evidence or proof whatsoever or context, could convince lots of lots of people that 'oh they did something really bad'. Think for a second before you make those claims. I don't know how anyone could look at our channel and look at all the jokes we made and then come to the conclusion that we're racist because did a play on words of someone's name and said words that their name sounds like."
Shelby: "I don't think racist is the right word. That's a big claim. I don't agree with it but I do agree it was probably in poor taste. Blissfully ignorant of any connotations."
Matt: "Saying that making fun of someone's name, which we do all the time, is 'extremely racist', that's weaponised accusations that are just- there's nothing behind that!"
Shelby: "A misstep is a good way to put it. I don't want to bring any attention to it."
Matt: "No, definitely not!"
Shelby: "I just want everyone to have a nice time."
Matt: "I don't think I am being defensive! I'm being rational. It's really bothering you. We're not what they're saying at all. I don't think what we did is what they're saying at all. We're not stupid people. We're not very tone-deaf. Going on Twitter and calling my girlfriend 'extremely racist' because we did a silly play on words with someone's name, which we do all the time, I think that's WORSE than calling him Dinky Baklava. It's a huge leap. It's a huge difference. I'm defending my girlfriend and I'm defending us."
Shelby: "I'm more concerned with how we contribute to it. How we respond to it. It's important to ME that we respond gracefully and nicely and make people feel comfortable. Rather than pushing people away and saying 'no we are the victims' because we obviously are not right now."
Matt: "I'm not saying we're a victim or anything. Calling us 'extremely racist' is really harsh. I don't think that's necessary!"
Shelby: "It's a micro-aggression. You're right. I want to be aware of things like that because that's how you learn and you correct yourself and you change things. Microaggressions are something I hear people talk a lot about and I don't want to contribute to that. It's important for ME to personally learn. I didn't even think about it that way. My ignorance. I'm just working through it in my head."
Matt: "I just don't want you to feel bad. I never said the word that someone is overly sensitive but that person saying we're 'extremely racist' isn't sensitive but they're attacking me and your feelings, which they DID do."
Shelby: "But I don't want to be make myself the victim in this situation. I'm just triyng to cover all bases."
Matt: "I just want to you know that you didn't do anything wrong."
Shelby: "Well, I did, but not on purpose and that's ok."
Matt: "No more Geoff Keeblar!"
Shelby: "I think that's a good idea, just to be safe."
Matt: "We'll stop showing Tim Cook's picture when we say Bill Gates."
Shelby: "Just show Halo guy."
Matt: "Even calling him Halo guy is a joke on our channel. We mispronounce things because she's the outsider girlfriend and she's not THAT familiar with gaming. It's an ongoing joke for 2 years that Shelby says the wrong thing! Because it gets people going and leaving comments. People legit thought that Shelby thought Master Chief's name was Halo guy. That man has a very unique and interesting name that the girlfriend might have a hard time remembering. And so she would associate it with things that she knows- baklava. That's how she hears it. It's so simple and stupid. I hate that someone has gone to you and made you feel so stupid. To avoid it in the future we'll just not- we'll be careful with anyone with a foreign name. Anyone with a complicated name. A name that isn't straight up American. Some people will take that and ignore all the other times we do it."
Shelby: "I don't think they're ignoring the other times. I think the circumstances have changed."
Matt: "But we won't do it in the future."
Shelby: "I think it's just the historical context. Well I'm definitely not going into ResetEra and trying to defend us. I definitely won't engage there. It's just going to make me feel very bad."
Matt: "Dude, ResetEra is the last place you want to go to get any sort of meter on your tone or how you're coming across cause they jumped that we were secret alt-right dogwhistlers because we mentioned PewDiePie one time and all kinds of nonsense."
Shelby: "The thing that sucks is they won't forget it in a day. For months. A year. We were recovering from people on ResetEra calling us alt-right dogwhistlers because they hadn't even watched the video but had seen others talking about it in the comments. It snowballed."
Matt: "It was just like the Last Of Us situation. They think we said anyone who didn't like TLOU is a bigot! We never said that shit! But they believed it because after months of that being in the conversation, same thing at ResetEra they were convinced- We are not alt-right, dude! They had all these really loose, such crazy evidence to support that and that was the conversation about us for a year. They were LOOKING through our videos and trying to find proof. Dude we're not alt-right dogwhistling. What are you talking about. And that's how I feel about this situation. We are not racist. First you said we were alt-right and now we're racist apparently. Is it Reset Era or ResetEra? Am I being racist by calling it ResetEra?!"
Shelby: "Oh my god please don't say that! I'm just trying to nip it in the bud and have an open conversation."
Matt: "We have been SO progressive! Let's remind ourselves, Shelby and chat, let's remind everyone how progressive we ACTUALLY are as a gaming channel! You are THE BIGGEST FEMALE VIDEOGAME REVIEWER that exists RIGHT NOW and you've CHANGED things! People can say I'm being egotistical or delusions of grandeur all they want. I've SEEN the change! I've seen how Shelby's changed the way that other women and other girlfriends and also their boyfriends approach videogames, including their significant other in videogames. Even if it's 10,000 peoples' lives we've improved and brought to the wonderful of gaming, that's enough for me. We've never ever been on the side of the Quartering or any of that 'there's too many politics'. We don't care about that or see that at all. We want more diversity in our games and we've promoted it. We've not been quiet about it. And for someone now to come along because we made a SILLY name sound silly and start going on ResetEra and claim that we're racist is just fucking bananas! It's bonkers. We've done nothing but-"
Shelby: "It's really cool that we have a female voice in the gaming industry. It's just so bad for content creators who are just white dudes."
Matt: "Yeah and a lot of them capitalise on that whole alt-right market by doing drama videos about TLOU 2 leaks and it's too diverse or too political. We don't touch that stuff. We appreciate games for being more diverse and we're very vocal about that. That's what we want from our games, is to be more inclusive and that goes right to the theme of the channel which is stop excluding your girlfriend from your videogames. Stop being mad that your boyfriend is playing videogames. Everyone can enjoy gaming! It's not just boys and girls and people in relationships, it's everyone. And that goes for representation in videogames."
Shelby: "And that's why it's so important to me that we make it a welcoming place for them."
Matt: "I think we do, though."
Shelby: "Not if we're making micro-aggressions and ignorant jokes and then getting called out on it and getting defensive about it. That's not a comfy place for them to be."
Matt: "Yeah but if you look at your history and what we stand for and things we've said, have substance, just a silly one-off joke. Saying we're 'extremely racist' because we're making fun of someone's name, we're just changing it. It sounds funny to have the script have funnier sounds throughout it and be like 'does she actually think that's her name'. And the shit we've got for standing up for it."
Shelby: "And women!"
Matt: "And LGBTQ stuff! We've got all kinds of shit for saying stuff like that!"
Shelby: "It doesn't matter, our intentions."
Matt: "I think it matters a little bit!"
Shelby: "I want to know when we've done something extremely dumb and why it's dumb."
Matt: "I'm having a hard time understanding why it's racist in any way."
Shelby: "Because historically, Geoff Keighleys didn't have to change their names to fly under the radar or to not get made fun of or not be obviously a certain race or obviously a foreigner. Because it was safer for them that way. After that, here comes the foreign kid with the crazy name. I don't want to contribute to that. And I DID by accident!"
Matt: "I understand what you're saying."
Shelby: "I'm explaining because you said you didn't understand. (Matt gives example of white kids' names being made fun of in school) I don't want you to justify it. You are. You're talking it down. We did something that hurt peoples' feelings. It doesn't matter if we were right or wrong."

Imagine spending a considerable amount of time on typing up a full transcript of some youtube bullshit

[Nintex]

Thanks for typing up that whole transcript.

I’ll just say again - fuck this dude forever.

[Propagandhim]

"Matt is at peak white fragility here.." *proceeds to write a 70 page Capstone term paper on some YouTube chud hurting my feelings*

[Uncle]

https://www.aldvingomes.com/funny-benedict-cumberbatch-names/

[D3RANG3D]

I wanted to include the rest of the transcript from this Twitch live stream in case it gets deleted or people don't want to watch it.

This is very long because they keep repeating the same points. I'm sorry. But this is to make sure they can't be taken out of context or whatever Matt moans about. Matt keeps saying he gets what Shelby is saying but he really doesn't, dozens of times. They keep going back to it and Shelby had to keep repeating her points because Matt didn't get it and was overly defensive all the way through. Matt is at peak white fragility here and then goes quite grandiose and very performative ally by saying how progressive they are and for changing 10,000 peoples' lives about women and LGBTQ *head hurts*. Yet he straight up says Dinga's name is silly. He says anyone saying they did a racist action is the real racist, yes he really went for the reverse racism card. ResetEra is brought up a few times. Basically, Shelby understands microaggressions by the very end and I ain't ever trusting Matt on whatever he says if he can't even get what his girlfriend is putting down...

Matt: "And I think Dinga Bakaba has had his fair share of whatever and he's totally fine with it. He's a grown man and his feelings aren't hurt."
Shelby: "It didn't even cross my mind so I obviously don't - [inaudible] no, I want to acknowledge something..."
Matt: "These people don't need to be acknowledged. It's not ok to go around- I disagree. Going around, claiming what someone is doing is racist when they're clearly not is -"
Shelby: "I'm trying to be sympathetic to it."
Matt: "You're making accusations that are SO hurtful. Putting thoughts and intentions into our words. I don't think it's ok to get away with doing that in the culture we're living in. Looking for something to be mad about. Everyone's tip-toeing around all the time. It's stupid."
Shelby: "But it's not our place to decide if it's ok or not. People with foreign names that are - that have had that their whole lives, that have been bothered by it, that's not cool."
Matt: "But people make fun of names that aren't foreign."
Shelby: "I know that."
Matt: "Just nothing to do with it being foreign."
Shelby: "I didn't even think about it. Didn't even cross my mind. I don't know if I would go so far as to call it as being racist but I can see it being tone-deaf. I understand that a bit better. But it definitely wasn't intentional. Just ignorance, I guess."
Matt: "I'm not giving it any of my energy or thoughts."
Shelby: "But it bothers me."
Matt: "I get it. I'm just trying to say don't let them get to you. What they're trying to do. What they're doing, calling you racist, the most unracist person ever is worse than us saying Dinky Baklava. We're just being silly. Schoolyard stupid humour that no one should take seriously. Race doesn't have anything to do with it. They're making you feel worse than we could ever have made Geoff Keighley by calling him Geoff Keeblar."
Shelby: "It's different. The intent behind it, historically."
Matt: "We are going to stop all this fucking stupid racism talk now. I understand you can be racist without intent but I don't think playfully changing someone's name a bit is in any way related to race. And saying as much is HARMFUL."
Shelby: "It's not silly though! I want to know if we did something stupid and we're not the ones who can decide that."
Matt: "Neither is one random person on Twitter!"
Shelby: "It's not just one random person on Twitter. There's a consensus behind it. It's a handful of people. It's something that's been brought to my attention. We didn't intend to do something insensitive. It's silly always but it doesn't matter. I feel shitty about it. I don't want to get mad at people for trying to be 'hey that's not cool'.
Matt: "I think people are being all like opportunists. There's like standards. How come no one has done this when we've done it to other people's names. YOU'RE THE ONE bringing race into it now. You don't say anything, it's crickets, until someone has a different skin colour than white, and now you're trying to claim we're racist. And that's NOT COOL. What those people are doing is like, almost like THEY'RE THE ONE BEING RACISTS OR SOMETHING?!"
Shelby: "My thought when I read that was like 'why'. Do you think that 'baklava' is racist because it's a middle eastern food? I was really confused so I don't-"
Matt: "It's still not crossing my mind. If we called him a slur or something. There's nothing racial about it."
Shelby: "I get it now. It's not about that. Just the ignorance. It's not like we did something horribly mean."
Matt: "Don't feel bad, baby. I'm sure that his feelings are not hurt."
Shelby: "It's not about that."
Matt: "I'm sorry you felt sad at the end of the stream."
Shelby: "What I don't want is to put any more negativity or bad feelings for anyone in a minority or marginalised group. I don't want to put any more of that into the gaming community. When someone comes with concerns, I want to be receptive and I want to make a nice time. If this conversation truly bothers you, MrCoconut (someone in chat), you're welcome to leave. I'm allowed to say what I want in my stream. I don't want anyone to feel they can't come and express their concerns to us because I want it to be a nice time and I want to be receptive and whatever."
Matt: "I'm just going to say I don't want you to feel like you can do that if you have some sort of malicious intent behind it."
Shelby: "It doesn't matter if you intended to hurt someone's feelings or not. If you still hurt their feelings-"
Matt: "If there's an actual concern."
Shelby: "It doesn't matter in any situation."
Matt: "I feel like people weaponise that sort of thing."
Shelby: "Even with the people I disagree with the most, I don't want them to feel their feelings aren't valid. We have nothing but love for everyone. If you want to bring concerns up to us, I'll listen."
Matt: "Before you go on Twitter and call a content creator or public figure racist or that they did something racist, the internet is a dangerous place where your comment, with no evidence or proof whatsoever or context, could convince lots of lots of people that 'oh they did something really bad'. Think for a second before you make those claims. I don't know how anyone could look at our channel and look at all the jokes we made and then come to the conclusion that we're racist because did a play on words of someone's name and said words that their name sounds like."
Shelby: "I don't think racist is the right word. That's a big claim. I don't agree with it but I do agree it was probably in poor taste. Blissfully ignorant of any connotations."
Matt: "Saying that making fun of someone's name, which we do all the time, is 'extremely racist', that's weaponised accusations that are just- there's nothing behind that!"
Shelby: "A misstep is a good way to put it. I don't want to bring any attention to it."
Matt: "No, definitely not!"
Shelby: "I just want everyone to have a nice time."
Matt: "I don't think I am being defensive! I'm being rational. It's really bothering you. We're not what they're saying at all. I don't think what we did is what they're saying at all. We're not stupid people. We're not very tone-deaf. Going on Twitter and calling my girlfriend 'extremely racist' because we did a silly play on words with someone's name, which we do all the time, I think that's WORSE than calling him Dinky Baklava. It's a huge leap. It's a huge difference. I'm defending my girlfriend and I'm defending us."
Shelby: "I'm more concerned with how we contribute to it. How we respond to it. It's important to ME that we respond gracefully and nicely and make people feel comfortable. Rather than pushing people away and saying 'no we are the victims' because we obviously are not right now."
Matt: "I'm not saying we're a victim or anything. Calling us 'extremely racist' is really harsh. I don't think that's necessary!"
Shelby: "It's a micro-aggression. You're right. I want to be aware of things like that because that's how you learn and you correct yourself and you change things. Microaggressions are something I hear people talk a lot about and I don't want to contribute to that. It's important for ME to personally learn. I didn't even think about it that way. My ignorance. I'm just working through it in my head."
Matt: "I just don't want you to feel bad. I never said the word that someone is overly sensitive but that person saying we're 'extremely racist' isn't sensitive but they're attacking me and your feelings, which they DID do."
Shelby: "But I don't want to be make myself the victim in this situation. I'm just triyng to cover all bases."
Matt: "I just want to you know that you didn't do anything wrong."
Shelby: "Well, I did, but not on purpose and that's ok."
Matt: "No more Geoff Keeblar!"
Shelby: "I think that's a good idea, just to be safe."
Matt: "We'll stop showing Tim Cook's picture when we say Bill Gates."
Shelby: "Just show Halo guy."
Matt: "Even calling him Halo guy is a joke on our channel. We mispronounce things because she's the outsider girlfriend and she's not THAT familiar with gaming. It's an ongoing joke for 2 years that Shelby says the wrong thing! Because it gets people going and leaving comments. People legit thought that Shelby thought Master Chief's name was Halo guy. That man has a very unique and interesting name that the girlfriend might have a hard time remembering. And so she would associate it with things that she knows- baklava. That's how she hears it. It's so simple and stupid. I hate that someone has gone to you and made you feel so stupid. To avoid it in the future we'll just not- we'll be careful with anyone with a foreign name. Anyone with a complicated name. A name that isn't straight up American. Some people will take that and ignore all the other times we do it."
Shelby: "I don't think they're ignoring the other times. I think the circumstances have changed."
Matt: "But we won't do it in the future."
Shelby: "I think it's just the historical context. Well I'm definitely not going into ResetEra and trying to defend us. I definitely won't engage there. It's just going to make me feel very bad."
Matt: "Dude, ResetEra is the last place you want to go to get any sort of meter on your tone or how you're coming across cause they jumped that we were secret alt-right dogwhistlers because we mentioned PewDiePie one time and all kinds of nonsense."
Shelby: "The thing that sucks is they won't forget it in a day. For months. A year. We were recovering from people on ResetEra calling us alt-right dogwhistlers because they hadn't even watched the video but had seen others talking about it in the comments. It snowballed."
Matt: "It was just like the Last Of Us situation. They think we said anyone who didn't like TLOU is a bigot! We never said that shit! But they believed it because after months of that being in the conversation, same thing at ResetEra they were convinced- We are not alt-right, dude! They had all these really loose, such crazy evidence to support that and that was the conversation about us for a year. They were LOOKING through our videos and trying to find proof. Dude we're not alt-right dogwhistling. What are you talking about. And that's how I feel about this situation. We are not racist. First you said we were alt-right and now we're racist apparently. Is it Reset Era or ResetEra? Am I being racist by calling it ResetEra?!"
Shelby: "Oh my god please don't say that! I'm just trying to nip it in the bud and have an open conversation."
Matt: "We have been SO progressive! Let's remind ourselves, Shelby and chat, let's remind everyone how progressive we ACTUALLY are as a gaming channel! You are THE BIGGEST FEMALE VIDEOGAME REVIEWER that exists RIGHT NOW and you've CHANGED things! People can say I'm being egotistical or delusions of grandeur all they want. I've SEEN the change! I've seen how Shelby's changed the way that other women and other girlfriends and also their boyfriends approach videogames, including their significant other in videogames. Even if it's 10,000 peoples' lives we've improved and brought to the wonderful of gaming, that's enough for me. We've never ever been on the side of the Quartering or any of that 'there's too many politics'. We don't care about that or see that at all. We want more diversity in our games and we've promoted it. We've not been quiet about it. And for someone now to come along because we made a SILLY name sound silly and start going on ResetEra and claim that we're racist is just fucking bananas! It's bonkers. We've done nothing but-"
Shelby: "It's really cool that we have a female voice in the gaming industry. It's just so bad for content creators who are just white dudes."
Matt: "Yeah and a lot of them capitalise on that whole alt-right market by doing drama videos about TLOU 2 leaks and it's too diverse or too political. We don't touch that stuff. We appreciate games for being more diverse and we're very vocal about that. That's what we want from our games, is to be more inclusive and that goes right to the theme of the channel which is stop excluding your girlfriend from your videogames. Stop being mad that your boyfriend is playing videogames. Everyone can enjoy gaming! It's not just boys and girls and people in relationships, it's everyone. And that goes for representation in videogames."
Shelby: "And that's why it's so important to me that we make it a welcoming place for them."
Matt: "I think we do, though."
Shelby: "Not if we're making micro-aggressions and ignorant jokes and then getting called out on it and getting defensive about it. That's not a comfy place for them to be."
Matt: "Yeah but if you look at your history and what we stand for and things we've said, have substance, just a silly one-off joke. Saying we're 'extremely racist' because we're making fun of someone's name, we're just changing it. It sounds funny to have the script have funnier sounds throughout it and be like 'does she actually think that's her name'. And the shit we've got for standing up for it."
Shelby: "And women!"
Matt: "And LGBTQ stuff! We've got all kinds of shit for saying stuff like that!"
Shelby: "It doesn't matter, our intentions."
Matt: "I think it matters a little bit!"
Shelby: "I want to know when we've done something extremely dumb and why it's dumb."
Matt: "I'm having a hard time understanding why it's racist in any way."
Shelby: "Because historically, Geoff Keighleys didn't have to change their names to fly under the radar or to not get made fun of or not be obviously a certain race or obviously a foreigner. Because it was safer for them that way. After that, here comes the foreign kid with the crazy name. I don't want to contribute to that. And I DID by accident!"
Matt: "I understand what you're saying."
Shelby: "I'm explaining because you said you didn't understand. (Matt gives example of white kids' names being made fun of in school) I don't want you to justify it. You are. You're talking it down. We did something that hurt peoples' feelings. It doesn't matter if we were right or wrong."

Imagine spending a considerable amount of time on typing up a full transcript of some youtube bullshit