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Title: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Wrath2X on June 07, 2011, 05:51:00 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UenSK6rQBMc[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aJY828-wns&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Everything I hear about this game sounds refreshing, last console Nintendo game I care about :bow
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on June 07, 2011, 05:51:51 PM
From something awful

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-Skyloft is the "hub" and is like WW's Great Sea, but with flying
-Hyrule is one giant dungeon, and the actual temples are like dungeons-within-dungeons
-Giant birds replace the horse/boat
-You will be required to revisit dungeons you've already beaten, a la Metroid
-Items will be upgradeable, but you'll have to find the necessary materials
-Dungeons have warp points like the cauldrons in WW, but they warp you back to Skyloft
-Zelda is a Saria/Malon/Ilia-type character and does not start the game as royalty
-There is orchestrated music, and it's awesome
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Post by: Himu on June 07, 2011, 06:02:04 PM
Dude, DAT NOSE
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Post by: Robo on June 07, 2011, 06:06:48 PM
I'm down if the Wii is at $99 before the Holiday season.
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Post by: etiolate on June 07, 2011, 07:00:33 PM
I liked the big town they showed. Zelda towns :rock

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Post by: Bildi on June 07, 2011, 07:17:09 PM
Looks cool.  This needs Motionplus, doesn't it?

Link's face looks very girly in some shots.  They should man him up just a bit.
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Post by: Barry Egan on June 07, 2011, 07:24:11 PM
when is this coming out?
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Post by: Robo on June 07, 2011, 07:25:58 PM
Why is back tracking considered a positive? Excuse me if I don't feel like wasting half an hour to pick up some item.

It implies artificial non-linear gameplay.  I suppose some folks see that as still being superior to the strictly linear approach.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2011, 07:27:39 PM
Zelda's face  :-\
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Post by: Bildi on June 07, 2011, 07:30:44 PM
I don't mind backtracking if it's interesting like in Metroid Prime.  Seeing something you can't get and coming back for it with new abilities can be enjoyable.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 07, 2011, 08:14:43 PM
sounds like minish cap's design
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Post by: Oblivion on June 07, 2011, 10:51:54 PM
Zelda's hair cut.  :-\

sounds like minish cap's design

Wouldn't be surprising. It's from the same director.
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Post by: cool breeze on June 07, 2011, 11:27:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/z6BUP.jpg)

love the fashion in this game
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 08, 2011, 12:05:37 AM
This shit looks HOT HOT HOT.  Cannot WAIT.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 08, 2011, 12:15:37 AM
(http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/e3_2011/04/zelda_skyward_sword/img/07.jpg)
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110503050746/zelda/images/thumb/3/39/Princess_Zelda_%28A_Link_to_the_Past%29.png/269px-Princess_Zelda_%28A_Link_to_the_Past%29.png)

I like the art style for this game a lot.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 08, 2011, 12:21:16 AM
Terrible.
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Post by: Oblivion on June 08, 2011, 12:22:30 AM
Word.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 08, 2011, 12:25:18 AM
oh you people suck  >:(
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 08, 2011, 12:26:35 AM
oh you people suck  >:(

Says the guy gushing over a character with downs syndrome.
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Post by: cool breeze on June 08, 2011, 12:28:29 AM
I like the style.  If she had red hair, she'd look Irish.  Probably gets bad sunburn too.  Ima write some fanfiction.

The comparison to old art is a weird justification for why it's not bad or something like that on gaf.  Because nothing else in this game looks like old art.  Link's nose is not a penis.


edit: I wasn't joking earlier about liking the David Bowie antagonist.  I want a nightmare level where you have to waggle to clench Link's butthole.
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Post by: cool breeze on June 08, 2011, 12:58:01 AM
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-zelda-skyward/715357

(http://i.imgur.com/CKAR5.jpg)

deeper...wider...

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Post by: etiolate on June 08, 2011, 01:12:54 AM
I like how the Skip button is emphasized
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on June 08, 2011, 01:26:12 AM
Skippable cutscenes?!?  Told you this was gonna be a great game.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Bildi on June 08, 2011, 01:42:18 AM
Oh, I skipped the cinematic bit so didn't see Zelda.  This post makes sense now:

Dude, DAT NOSE
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Post by: Himu on June 08, 2011, 01:44:17 AM
man, that is one ugly zelda design
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on June 08, 2011, 02:02:26 AM
Man, I was so looking forward to masturbating to Zelda's ingame model but now I gue...  Oh wait this line of discussion is STOOPID.  Skippable cutscenes!  Alternate stealth dimensions!  Dungeons within dungeons!  The overworld is a dungeon!  FLIGHT!  Better collectibles and rewards!  Every enemy is like a mini punchout character! SKIPPABLE CUTSCENES!  Stop nitpicking.
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Post by: Himu on June 08, 2011, 02:03:05 AM
It does sound pretty good. Shame almost all of the game footage looks boring.
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Post by: Bildi on June 08, 2011, 02:11:40 AM
Man, I was so looking forward to masturbating to Zelda's ingame model but now I gue...  Oh wait this line of discussion is STOOPID.  Skippable cutscenes!  Alternate stealth dimensions!  Dungeons within dungeons!  The overworld is a dungeon!  FLIGHT!  Better collectibles and rewards!  Every enemy is like a mini punchout character! SKIPPABLE CUTSCENES!  Stop nitpicking.

It's a pretty big nose. 
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Post by: Bildi on June 08, 2011, 02:12:18 AM
Link is really pretty though.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on June 08, 2011, 02:29:25 AM
Oh sky monstro is wicked sick too...yum.  Maybe the windfish will show up at some point.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: T-Short on June 08, 2011, 03:20:36 AM
What's so special about the bird flying? It's going to be like the sailing in Windwaker, but with motionwaggle and a slight z axis of movement added
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Post by: Trent Dole on June 08, 2011, 03:23:39 AM
So this is Zelda Skies of Arcadia then? I suppose I'm up for that. Just fucking release it already,  it's the same thing ad infitium so the delays are baffling.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 08, 2011, 03:23:56 AM
What's so special about the bird flying? It's going to be like the sailing in Windwaker, but with motionwaggle and a slight z axis of movement added

The fact that you can jump from the bird at any moment and land in a second "underworld" overworld?
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Post by: Purple Filth on June 08, 2011, 03:24:36 AM
oh another Zelda  game

meh
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Post by: T-Short on June 08, 2011, 04:10:27 AM
What's so special about the bird flying? It's going to be like the sailing in Windwaker, but with motionwaggle and a slight z axis of movement added

The fact that you can jump from the bird at any moment and land in a second "underworld" overworld?

But that's not the flying, that's the part that's NOT the flying. hehe
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 08, 2011, 05:05:22 AM
oh another Zelda  game

meh

.
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Post by: magus on June 08, 2011, 06:04:25 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/z6BUP.jpg)

love the fashion in this game

:rofl

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDKyj35ew0E&playnext=1&list=PL1871B2114735FD9B[/youtube]

i don't ever want to hear anybody else complain about something something final fantasy

EVER!
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Post by: magus on June 08, 2011, 07:15:25 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/zztHM.jpg)

quick quick! someone photoshop the wii u tablet in the pic!
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Post by: magus on June 08, 2011, 07:54:18 AM
i don't have any problem with it too but if this was final fantasy there would be a gazillions of "IS THAT A GUY?" comment,but alas when you are the holy zelda everything is magical

do-uble-stan-dards-do-uble-stan-dards
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on June 08, 2011, 11:08:11 AM
The problem with final fantasy is they expect me to take effeminate ladymen seriously as threats.  This villians contrast in that respect actually seems to work.
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Post by: magus on June 08, 2011, 11:33:34 AM
but he's licking link!
that's not the face of someone scared,that's the face of someone that says "ewwwww :-\"

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maybe he gets to lick zelda too :o
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Post by: tiesto on June 08, 2011, 11:41:27 AM
I like the style.  If she had red hair, she'd look Irish.  Probably gets bad sunburn too.  Ima write some fanfiction.

Irish redheads :drool

I am warming up a bit more to the style of the game now, seems like it's got some of that Ghibli whimsy in it that I love so much. As long as the level/world map design is on point (since that's what Zelda is always about - not the combat, not the story), I'm good.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 08, 2011, 11:49:40 AM
i don't have any problem with it too but if this was final fantasy there would be a gazillions of "IS THAT A GUY?" comment,but alas when you are the holy zelda everything is magical

do-uble-stan-dards-do-uble-stan-dards


You gotta let the anger go someday, magus.
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Post by: magus on June 08, 2011, 11:57:20 AM
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You gotta let the anger go someday, magus.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bwtASychGQ[/youtube]
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Post by: iconoclast on June 08, 2011, 12:07:11 PM
I like the style a lot. Gonna buy a motion+ for this game, and maybe I'll even try to finish TP before this is out.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 08, 2011, 01:10:34 PM
Zelda definitely looks better in the art than in the actual game.
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Post by: Himu on June 08, 2011, 01:14:52 PM
I'd say the art looks better than the actual game.
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Post by: Oblivion on June 08, 2011, 02:30:55 PM
Zelda definitely looks better in the art than in the actual game.

Was just gonna say that.
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Post by: Himu on June 08, 2011, 02:34:20 PM
Why is all the media for this game so boring? Compare OoT 3ds official trailer to the Skyward Sword official trailer. Boresville.
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Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on June 08, 2011, 02:36:30 PM
Because Zelda is boring.

This is just like Twilight.  The last gasp of a dead system.
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Post by: SantaC on June 08, 2011, 03:34:02 PM
Because Zelda is boring.

This is just like Twilight.  The last gasp of a dead system.

so it hasnt been moved to wii u?
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Post by: T-Short on June 08, 2011, 03:34:57 PM
not according to release lists
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Post by: etiolate on June 08, 2011, 04:21:12 PM
The problem with final fantasy is they expect me to take effeminate ladymen seriously as threats.  This villians contrast in that respect actually seems to work.

That pervo tongue is saving his ass as a villain.
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Post by: cool breeze on June 08, 2011, 08:27:41 PM
only thing I've read and dislike is the bird flying is handled like in Wii Sports Resort  :-\

I'm into the sword combat and aiming with the bow and stuff like that using motion controls because those actions required the increased fidelity of motion controls.  If anything, flying with motion controls is a lot more limiting.  Flying the plane in Pilotwings is better than in WSR...better is relative here.


[youtube=560,345]89kq-R_GF1Y[/youtube]

so unnecessary
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Post by: Himu on June 09, 2011, 11:55:27 AM
http://www.zeldauniverse.net/zelda-news/warnings-of-a-future-with-no-zelda/

holy shit
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Post by: Himu on June 09, 2011, 12:25:30 PM
gamespot e3 demo had me impressed. beautiful looking game.

http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6318368/the-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword-e3-2011-stage-demo?hd=1&tag=top_stories%3Bplay_btn%3B2
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Post by: Oblivion on June 09, 2011, 03:37:06 PM
http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6318374/

Okay, THAT video makes the game seem pretty awesome. Direct feed footage.
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Post by: Oblivion on June 09, 2011, 03:48:18 PM
Also too, Gamespy's not too hot on the game:

http://wii.gamespy.com/wii/the-legend-of-zelda-wii/1171797p1.html
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Post by: Himu on June 09, 2011, 03:52:17 PM
Ah yes, games journalism, the only type of journalism where it's professional to cuss in an article for a product.
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Post by: magus on June 09, 2011, 04:42:24 PM
Ah yes, games journalism, the only type of journalism where it's professional to cuss in an article for a product.

i was going to come here and say that if someone is cussing zelda that's a good thing but the article mainly cuss about motion controls so i have to change my policy

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some David Bowie-looking demon with a sword -- was some arrogant I'm-gonna-act-like-the-real-villain-until-Ganon-comes-along kind of guy.

:lol
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Post by: magus on June 09, 2011, 05:21:28 PM
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z2/teasels/zelda.jpg)

looks like the tears of light are back!
the game is not even out and i can already see all the bullshit they are going to put to pad the shit out of it
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Post by: naff on June 09, 2011, 11:56:55 PM
Zelda definitely looks better in the art than in the actual game.

This applies to 99.9% of games
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 10, 2011, 12:10:35 AM
Zelda definitely looks better in the art than in the actual game.

This applies to 99.9% of games

True, but there's a pretty huge disparity in this case.
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Post by: naff on June 10, 2011, 12:20:44 AM
Relative to what? :lol
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Post by: Himu on June 10, 2011, 12:26:24 AM
well, zelda looks like a butterface in the game. in the art she looks normal. that's a pretty big disparity.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 29, 2011, 04:10:01 PM
Zelsona
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 29, 2011, 04:18:34 PM
Zelsona

:rock
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Post by: BlueTsunami on June 29, 2011, 04:26:16 PM
lol Zelda in school. No bueno.
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Post by: Herr Mafflard on June 29, 2011, 04:31:28 PM
Zelsona

lol can't be that bad
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Post by: Himu on June 29, 2011, 04:31:57 PM
Zelsona

bonertown
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Post by: cool breeze on June 29, 2011, 04:42:21 PM
Sounds great.  Really excited for it after replaying OoT 3DS. 

and the school stuff sounds more like harry potter...coming from someone who doesn't read/watch harry potter.
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Post by: Barry Egan on June 29, 2011, 07:52:11 PM
Zelsona

bonertown

.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on June 29, 2011, 09:02:37 PM
So the skys are like the wind waker ocean spotted with floating islands, the city is like the Majora's Mask sidequests, and the mainland is an interconnected Metroid esque world.  This sounds better and better the more they talk about it.  Unfortuneatly it will get shunted in goty considerations cuz of wagglez and not measuring up to whatever narratively bloated flavor of the month the enthusiast press are sperging over.
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Post by: magus on June 29, 2011, 09:05:56 PM
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Unfortuneatly it will get shunted in goty considerations cuz of wagglez and not measuring up to whatever narratively bloated flavor of the month the enthusiast press are sperging over.

THE FIGHT OF THE CENTURY

THE HATE OF PRESS FOR WAGGLE VS THEIR DICK-WAVING OBSSESION TO GIVE 10/10 TO EVERYTHING ZELDA

WHO WILL WIN???

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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on June 29, 2011, 09:14:12 PM
Game journos aren't as big on zelda as they used to be.  The coverage of Skyward Sword at e3 was verrrrrrry subdued and considering it only was nominated for the best of "motion simulation" category suggests many straight up ignored it.  Now after the superinflated hype for that turd twilight princess, I guess I understand a little.  It reminds me though of how the Galaxy games often got marginalised because they dared to be great games instead of whatever "dramatic" bs Bioshock and Mass Effect 2/RedDead were pulling.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on June 29, 2011, 09:40:43 PM
No
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 29, 2011, 09:56:11 PM
Unfortuneatly it will get shunted in goty considerations cuz of wagglez and not measuring up to whatever narratively bloated flavor of the month the enthusiast press are sperging over.

You mean, just like Twilight Princess did?

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TP got GOTY 2006 awards from EGM, Game Informer, Games Master, GamesRadar UK, GameSpy, GameTrailers, X-Play, 1Up, Spacey Awards, Game Critics Awards, GameRankings, Metacritic, Eurogamer Reader's, GameFAQs, GamePro Readers, and IGN Readers Choice.
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For additional enlightenment, Super Mario Galaxy got GOTY 2007 awards from Edge, Games Master, Yahoo! Games, Gamespot, GameTrailers, IGN, Kotaku, GameRankings, Metacritic, GameFAQS, British Academy Video Game Awards, Academy of Interactive Arts and Sciences, and IGN Reader's Choice.
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Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on June 29, 2011, 10:19:41 PM
I'm allowed to be irrationaly butthurt sometimes mang.
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Post by: Himu on June 29, 2011, 10:27:45 PM
This game won't be goty anyways. Who gives a fuck? I'm going to play the fuck out of Saints Row The Third.
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Post by: Trent Dole on June 29, 2011, 10:39:26 PM
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Unfortuneatly it will get shunted in goty considerations cuz of wagglez and not measuring up to whatever narratively bloated flavor of the month the enthusiast press are sperging over.

THE FIGHT OF THE CENTURY

THE HATE OF PRESS FOR WAGGLE VS THEIR DICK-WAVING OBSSESION TO GIVE 10/10 TO EVERYTHING ZELDA

WHO WILL WIN???


:bow 8.8 :bow2
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Post by: cool breeze on June 29, 2011, 11:20:52 PM
It's a 99.9% certainty that Skyrim will clean up any awards

or Batman, but probably Skyrim, or Uncharted 3, but probably Skyrim, or Dark Race, but probably Skyrim
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Post by: naff on June 29, 2011, 11:55:36 PM
It's a 99.9% certainty that Skyrim will clean up any awards

Or Dark Souls.... But probably Skyrim
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 30, 2011, 12:07:06 AM
Skyrim's gonna clean house.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 30, 2011, 12:20:00 AM
I haven't followed anything regarding Skyim, is it just Oblivion with new shit or something?  If so, meh.  Gimme a brand new Fallout instead.

Or just Batman, because it's going to shit on everything this year.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 30, 2011, 12:24:49 AM
[youtube=560,345]K9hJMxw126A[/youtube]

skip to around 3:00 for some fucking awesome
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 30, 2011, 12:26:10 AM
I haven't followed anything regarding Skyim, is it just Oblivion with new shit or something?  If so, meh.  Gimme a brand new Fallout instead.

It's Oblivion but bigger, better, more awesome, and with NPCs that don't look like they have Down syndrome.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 30, 2011, 12:40:21 AM
I mean, it looks pretty cool I guess.  But I never really got invested in Oblivion that much, so I don't know if I'd do this game any justice unlike some other people here.  Fallout 3 was my shit though, I played that thing for almost my entire freshman year of college.
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Post by: naff on June 30, 2011, 01:58:57 AM
Oblivion was alright, I liked it but a lot of people had issues with its levelling system, Fallout 3 was a lot better.
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Post by: Oblivion on June 30, 2011, 02:26:11 AM
Normally, a mainline Zelda would be a shoe-in for GotY, but the anticipation for SS seems really tepid. There's a galaxy size gap between the hype that TP had and the hype for SS.
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Post by: Himu on June 30, 2011, 02:59:12 AM
Normally, a mainline Zelda would be a shoe-in for GotY, but the anticipation for SS seems really tepid. There's a galaxy size gap between the hype that TP had and the hype for SS.

Well, TP had that whole "Realistic Link returns!  Like Ocarina only bigger, badder, more amazing!  Look we even got that Conan music again holy shit!" thing going for it.

Still, the hype is real low for a Zelda. Even Wind Waker, had a ton of media footage pre-release at E3. This game, however, seemed like it had barely any exposure from sites.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 30, 2011, 03:40:56 AM
Yeah but it had that badass commercial.
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Post by: Barry Egan on June 30, 2011, 08:18:04 PM
I think it's because the leap in graphics isn't pronounced enough.  The game looks like TP+.
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Post by: naff on June 30, 2011, 09:03:16 PM
??? Who expected major technical leaps? It's on a Wii..... The art style is wholly different though.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on June 30, 2011, 09:09:49 PM
I think it's because the leap in graphics isn't pronounced enough.  The game looks like TP+.

The whimsy quotient is off the charts this time.

Full circle.
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Post by: tiesto on June 30, 2011, 09:59:49 PM
More gimmicky waggle + a company who I'm fed up with + shitty Wii graphics + the last 2 original Zelda games (the DS games) being absolute horseshit = no hype for me
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Post by: tiesto on June 30, 2011, 10:01:34 PM
[youtube=560,345]K9hJMxw126A[/youtube]

skip to around 3:00 for some fucking awesome

Skipped to the 3:00, where was the fucking awesome  ???
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 30, 2011, 10:17:18 PM
[youtube=560,345]K9hJMxw126A[/youtube]

skip to around 3:00 for some fucking awesome

Skipped to the 3:00, where was the fucking awesome  ???

So, did you just skip to 3:00, watch for a few seconds, and then close out the video?
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 30, 2011, 10:26:43 PM
More gimmicky waggle + a company who I'm fed up with + shitty Wii graphics + the last 2 original Zelda games (the DS games) being absolute horseshit = no hype for me


This makes me sad  :(
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Post by: cool breeze on June 30, 2011, 10:38:50 PM
??? Who expected major technical leaps? It's on a Wii..... The art style is wholly different though.

to be fair, this is the first Zelda made for the Wii...so I guess 2x as good as Twilight Princess and Crossbow training I guess

I think it looks nice.  Has a lot of character, especially the animations.
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Post by: MCD on June 30, 2011, 10:47:17 PM
Do not trust Bethesda's lies!
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 30, 2011, 10:48:27 PM
Do not trust Bethesda's lies!

The gameplay they showed off is a lie? ???
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Post by: MCD on June 30, 2011, 10:51:05 PM
Everything Bethesda is a lie.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 30, 2011, 10:51:30 PM
Everything Bethesda is a lie.


wat
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Post by: naff on June 30, 2011, 10:55:33 PM
??? Who expected major technical leaps? It's on a Wii..... The art style is wholly different though.

to be fair, this is the first Zelda made for the Wii...so I guess 2x as good as Twilight Princess and Crossbow training I guess

I think it looks nice.  Has a lot of character, especially the animations.

Yeah, I think the game looks really great, as usual with Nintendo games. Doesn't change the fact that Wii is quite literally an overclocked gamecube

Everything Bethesda is a lie.


Disgusting
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Post by: cool breeze on June 30, 2011, 11:27:05 PM
yeah, the problem with the good looking Wii games is really the low resolution.  The emulator shots of Galaxy, Sin&Punishment 2, Donkey Kong, Smash Bros, etc all look great.  A lot of the niceness is hidden by that low res blur  (except NSMB Wii, and Mario Kart, and Wii ______, and things like that.  Those games are lazy).  At least with Nintendo, you know they'll recycle old games.  3D3S needs launch titles!

also, showing that Zelda tech demo for the Wiiuuu probably jaded a few people.  It's weird.  I think people thought it was a game or something? Even Nintendo was being stupidly coy in their "A Zelda game? no, that's the HD Experience Demo  :teehee" way.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on June 30, 2011, 11:48:12 PM
They just need to bring back the Boots of Blinding speed
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 30, 2011, 11:50:27 PM
if you think a dragon randomly swooping down and snatching up a mammoth-herding, club-wielding giant by the head as he's attacking you is boring, i dunno what to tell you man
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Post by: cool breeze on June 30, 2011, 11:52:09 PM
yeah, Oblivion took away all the cool spells from Morrowind.  I miss levitation, super jump scrolls, and things like that.  Especially when you combine them and jump halfway across the world map.

The one thing I wish Skyrim had more of was really cool and outlandish areas.  I want places like Vivec.  Oblivion was too grounded.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 01, 2011, 12:15:00 AM
if you think a dragon randomly swooping down and snatching up a mammoth-herding, club-wielding giant by the head as he's attacking you is boring, i dunno what to tell you man

yawwwwn

MAD homo
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Post by: Himu on July 01, 2011, 12:24:52 AM
Agreed
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 01, 2011, 12:40:15 AM
screw this shit, I wanted to be spoon-fed tit-cumming looking scripted scenes.  Hello Skyoshock!
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Post by: Tasty on July 01, 2011, 01:44:42 AM
screw this shit, I wanted to be spoon-fed tit-cumming looking scripted scenes.  Hello Skyoshock!

Is Bioshock Infinite coming out this year? I would think that would be a strong contender for GOTY as well. It pretty much won E3 single-handedly.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 01, 2011, 02:10:24 AM
screw this shit, I wanted to be spoon-fed tit-cumming looking scripted scenes.  Hello Skyoshock!

Is Bioshock Infinite coming out this year?

No.
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Post by: Oblivion on July 01, 2011, 02:18:51 AM
also, showing that Zelda tech demo for the Wiiuuu probably jaded a few people.  It's weird.  I think people thought it was a game or something? Even Nintendo was being stupidly coy in their "A Zelda game? no, that's the HD Experience Demo  :teehee" way.

I'll be honest, the demo really took much of the wind out of SS's sails for me. Going from an HD Zelda to SS actually seemed pretty jarring. And it's strange cause it's not like SS is an ugly game, but at the same time it doesn't seem that pleasing to the eyes. Part of it is cause it's in SD, but then again, I feel WW looks much better, but possibly cause it's more vibrant.
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Post by: Oblivion on July 01, 2011, 02:21:20 AM
Quote
Zelda HD Wii U E3 demo not possible on other consoles
29/06/2011
Satoru Iwata has said what was shown at E3 cannot be replicated on other machines.


Nintendo has assured shareholders that Nintendo is perfectly able to create competitive high definition content, stating the Zelda HD demo shown at E3 would not be possible on other consoles.

According to translations from Andriasang, Japanese developers have said the demo cannot be replicated on other hardware, despite only being made in a relatively short period.


This, says Nintendo CEO Satoru Iwata, is reason to believe Nintendo will have no issues creating top end high definition games for the Wii U.

The Wii U is scheduled to launch in 2012

http://www.videogamer.com/news/zelda_hd_wii_u_e3_demo_not_possible_on_other_consoles.html


Not possible on any other hardware.  :o

Skyrim destroyed.

:bow Nintendo
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Post by: Tasty on July 01, 2011, 02:33:27 AM
Quote
Zelda HD Wii U E3 demo not possible on other consoles
29/06/2011
Satoru Iwata has said what was shown at E3 cannot be replicated on other machines.


Nintendo has assured shareholders that Nintendo is perfectly able to create competitive high definition content, stating the Zelda HD demo shown at E3 would not be possible on other consoles.

According to translations from Andriasang, Japanese developers have said the demo cannot be replicated on other hardware, despite only being made in a relatively short period.


This, says Nintendo CEO Satoru Iwata, is reason to believe Nintendo will have no issues creating top end high definition games for the Wii U.

The Wii U is scheduled to launch in 2012

http://www.videogamer.com/news/zelda_hd_wii_u_e3_demo_not_possible_on_other_consoles.html


Not possible on any other hardware.  :o

Skyrim destroyed.

:bow Nintendo

Probably meant the second screen, and probably not counting PC.

Besides that, the demo itself was very impressive. The AA was so good I don't think it could have been done on PS3, or 360 at least.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 01, 2011, 02:55:12 AM
MAD homo

hey man, i'm not the one getting off on scenes from dragonlance

are you still buying sonic games :teehee
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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 01, 2011, 02:56:12 AM
:lol
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Post by: Himu on July 01, 2011, 02:59:58 AM
MAD homo

hey man, i'm not the one getting off on scenes from dragonlance

are you still buying sonic games :teehee

Oscar hates Sonic.
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Post by: Tasty on July 01, 2011, 03:02:29 AM
MAD homo

hey man, i'm not the one getting off on scenes from dragonlance

are you still buying sonic games :teehee

Oscar hates Sonic.

For some reason this surprises me.
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Post by: Himu on July 01, 2011, 03:03:29 AM
Being a Sega fan has nothing to do with being a Sonic fan.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on July 01, 2011, 03:41:59 AM
God WTF is up with those screenshots

(Goes back to playing N64 OOT on the motherfucking Gamecube)
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Post by: Barry Egan on July 01, 2011, 04:56:26 AM
??? Who expected major technical leaps? It's on a Wii..... The art style is wholly different though.

Well I know Nintendo has been pretty successful at putting a mortar and pestle to our expectations, but the leap between Super Mario Water Squirt and SMG was much more pronounced.  This is a full blown next gen Zelda but it's receiving the media attention of a one off, like Majoras Mask.    Or maybe no one gives a shit about zelda anymore I don't know.
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Post by: Herr Mafflard on July 01, 2011, 05:49:21 AM
People are surprised Skyward Sword didn't get more buzz at E3?

That's like asking why no one's pumped for your VHS copy of the Neverending Story when there are blu-rays of Avatar whizzing about the place.
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Post by: naff on July 01, 2011, 11:54:18 AM
yawwwwn
  /
/
(http://i.imgur.com/LPZnW.jpg)
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Post by: Tasty on July 01, 2011, 01:48:01 PM
are you still buying sonic games :teehee

dude i don't even like *genesis* sonic

I thought they were OK but they were kinda sucky platformers compared to Mario. Running was fun but the platforming felt off for some reason. But I just played them a few years ago so maybe that's the reason. Haven't played 3/K/CD though.
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Post by: Himu on July 01, 2011, 01:56:39 PM
Sonic 3 and Knuckles is the best overall Sonic next to the original.
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Post by: Diunx on July 01, 2011, 02:13:11 PM
That's not really saying much.
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Post by: magus on July 01, 2011, 02:17:00 PM
oh oh? can i join team "classic sonic sucks" ?

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Post by: Himu on July 01, 2011, 02:18:25 PM
Sonic 3 and Knuckles is a great game. Sonic the Hedgehog, the original, is also a fantastic game mostly because it's strictly a platformer and not a stupid speedfest. Sonic 2 is average. Sonic 3 is great but too short by itself, which is why the Knuckles add on makes it a more complete and awesome game.

I do agree that many Genesis Sonic fans are obnoxious.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 01, 2011, 04:25:49 PM
What made Sonic amazing too was the insanely good music and atmosphere, the zones felt really unique and real.
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Post by: magus on July 01, 2011, 05:10:04 PM
super mario world

duh!

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76Mzb2PuIDI[/youtube]

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Post by: Tasty on July 01, 2011, 06:26:30 PM
super mario world

duh!

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76Mzb2PuIDI[/youtube]



One of my favorite VG music pieces. Always hum along.

Yes cause honestly what non-SMB1 2D Mario game had memorable music?

To add to it, SMB3 had a couple tracks I thought were very memorable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmmx9EMtXP8 (Favorite version of that song.)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 02, 2011, 12:13:34 AM
Yes cause honestly what non-SMB1 2D Mario game had memorable music?

Bow before your Lord:

[youtube=560,345]6lhbYWbPmkE[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]EmD9WnLYR5I[/youtube]
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 02, 2011, 12:16:35 AM
wrath cannot be fucking serious.  good christ  :-\
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Post by: Tasty on July 02, 2011, 12:29:31 AM
Oh gooooooosh SML2 nostalgasm.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Still the only great handheld Mario game.
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Post by: Tasty on July 02, 2011, 02:19:20 AM
sonic sucks and if you like his games you are a furfag

I wouldn't go that far but I try to shy away from anthropomorphized animals in any case. They can be done right, but odds are someone is going to turn furry because of it.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 02, 2011, 02:31:16 AM
sonic sucks and if you like his games you are a furfag

blahblahblahblah
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 02, 2011, 02:38:15 AM
sonic sucks and if you like his games you are a furfag

I wouldn't go that far but I try to shy away from anthropomorphized animals in any case. They can be done right, but odds are someone is going to turn furry because of it.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://yiffy.tk/file/image/3272/1269951988954571661.jpg)
[close]
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Post by: Tasty on July 02, 2011, 02:49:56 AM
I think I'm going to like it here.
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Post by: DarknessTear on July 02, 2011, 03:03:42 AM
Figures Andrex is into yiffing.  :o
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Post by: Tasty on July 02, 2011, 03:20:05 AM
Figures Andrex is into yiffing.  :o

Figures you can't get a joke.  :P
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Post by: DarknessTear on July 02, 2011, 03:20:35 AM
y u take me srs??  :yuck
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Post by: Tasty on July 02, 2011, 03:29:27 AM
y u take me srs??  :yuck

y u take me srs??   :-\
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 02, 2011, 11:24:23 AM
sonic sucks and if you like his games you are a furfag

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=32098.msg1333611#msg1333611

 :teehee
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 02, 2011, 04:30:51 PM
whatever, furfag :teehee
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Post by: Trent Dole on July 02, 2011, 04:40:07 PM
...says The Dog Island enthusiast.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on July 02, 2011, 05:04:28 PM
Sonic only started veering into furrygasm territory with the satam show and archie comics.  Its not really equatable with pre-adventure sonic games.  Its like you guys are suggesting we can't enjoy Looney Tunes, early Disney cartoons, or half of the don bluth animated movies.  Starfox can die in a fire though.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 02, 2011, 05:46:14 PM
Sonic only started veering into furrygasm territory with the satam show and archie comics.  Its not really equatable with pre-adventure sonic games.  Its like you guys are suggesting we can't enjoy Looney Tunes, early Disney cartoons, or half of the don bluth animated movies.  Starfox can die in a fire though.

asperfur
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on July 02, 2011, 05:48:54 PM
Assfurgrrrs.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on July 03, 2011, 02:25:10 AM
Sonic only started veering into furrygasm territory with the satam show and archie comics.  Its not really equatable with pre-adventure sonic games.  Its like you guys are suggesting we can't enjoy Looney Tunes, early Disney cartoons, or half of the don bluth animated movies.  Starfox can die in a fire though.

(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kz3btm8tGG1qae7w2o1_400.jpg)

Mrs. Brisby and Jonathan Brisby agree
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2011, 05:21:47 PM
Starfox>>>>Sonic
Krystal>>>Tails
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2011, 03:35:29 PM
Sorry but that fight looked boring as hell. Looked more like a tutorial than a boss fight
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Post by: Himu on July 18, 2011, 03:44:20 PM
Sorry but that fight looked boring as hell. Looked more like a tutorial than a boss fight

Agreed.

What they're hyping the game as sounds nice, but every time I watch a vid it looks boring as hell. Looks like some crappy third party Zelda knock off.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 18, 2011, 08:18:09 PM
Of course it looks like a tutorial, that's because it is  :lol

it's the absolute first boss you face.  what do you expect.
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Post by: Himu on July 18, 2011, 08:19:41 PM
I really dislike the lag between the user and the sword but it's probably because he's a dumbass and is using his arm instead of his wrist to play.
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Post by: Himu on July 20, 2011, 11:20:28 PM
I'm really disliking the canned sword animations. Yeah, I'm going to stab someone and then raise my sword up like a douche! Ugh.

[youtube=560,345]-Lh9LBJgYVY[/youtube]

Loving the art style, though.
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Post by: cool breeze on July 20, 2011, 11:45:56 PM
I don't think I've ever see a douche raise his sword, unless it's innuendo.
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Post by: Oblivion on July 21, 2011, 02:57:45 AM
I have no idea why they even bothered releasing that trailer.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on July 21, 2011, 03:09:24 AM
First Zelda game with black people?
*turns on zelda fan asperger's*
This being the first game in the illustrious timeline implies that although black people were regular members of skyloft society, politically motivated genocide must have occured at some point.  Most likely opportunistic politicians taking advantage of conflicts resulting from territorial disputes that arose while settling the land of hyrule proper.
*Takes off assper...*
Oh god its stuck.
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Post by: Oblivion on July 21, 2011, 05:16:11 AM
First Zelda game with black people?

Zelda's had black people before:

(http://images.wikia.com/zelda/images/2/24/Dark_Link_%28Ocarina_of_Time%29.png)
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Post by: Herr Mafflard on July 21, 2011, 07:18:12 AM
Sold on most everything except the combat controls. If it doesn't win me over soon I'm gonna cry.

First Zelda game with black people?
*turns on zelda fan asperger's*
This being the first game in the illustrious timeline implies that although black people were regular members of skyloft society, politically motivated genocide must have occured at some point.  Most likely opportunistic politicians taking advantage of conflicts resulting from territorial disputes that arose while settling the land of hyrule proper.
*Takes off assper...*
Oh god its stuck.

they got turned into Gorons
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Post by: Beezy on July 21, 2011, 09:41:48 AM
I have no idea why they even bothered releasing that trailer.
That's the first trailer to get me excited for this game. The artstyle and environments look great. I really like the song also.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 21, 2011, 10:51:59 AM
Oblivion, it was for Comic-Con.
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Post by: Oblivion on July 21, 2011, 08:03:19 PM
I have no idea why they even bothered releasing that trailer.
That's the first trailer to get me excited for this game. The artstyle and environments look great. I really like the song also.

Wait, what? Is this the first trailer you've seen of the game period?
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Post by: Beezy on July 22, 2011, 02:17:57 AM
no
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Post by: Oblivion on July 22, 2011, 04:34:40 AM
Then what possibly could have excited you? There is literally 14 seconds of new footage, none of which is particularly interesting or impressive.
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Post by: Beezy on July 22, 2011, 09:54:34 AM
Maybe I haven't seen every trailer related to the game. Honestly though, this is the least hype I've ever been for a console Zelda.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 22, 2011, 11:04:14 AM
It looked kind of ok. Until they showed gameplay footage where the fighting is the same as in OOT.
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Post by: Trent Dole on July 22, 2011, 01:19:08 PM
Man, Zelda really does look like she has downs syndrome or some shit. Oh well. Does anyone else think Skies of Arcadia when they see this game?
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Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2011, 09:01:07 PM
Mark Bozon just tweeted this: http://twitter.com/MarkBozon/status/95642557698150400

The general feeling I've seen is that people aren't hyped at all for Skyward Sword. Which is fine. I no longer need games to "win" over people or GOTY awards to validate it to myself. I just think it's sort of odd. People aren't feeling the art style, or some other detail.

But it's like, Twilight Princess's hype had nothing to do with its gameplay. Or even the parts that ended up being great about it (dungeon design.) It was all centered around the fact it was a "gritty dark mature LOTR-like adventure." The final game turned out amazing but then there was some backlash that it was too much like OoT, and other miscellaneous nitpicks. It's like, did you actually pay attention during the trailers or were you just blinded over your love for the art style?

Personally I looooooove SS's style. Impressionist art is some of my favorite, and SS nails it.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2011, 09:02:22 PM
art style looks fine. but something always feels off about it, whether it's a canned sword animation or whatever. It feels like a third party game. It doesn't look like it has the Zelda polish at all.

Also, the media for the game has been 100% atrocious. TP was hyped up because its pre-release media was AMAZING and worth getting excited about.

Nintendo hasn't even released one trailer that feels exciting and we're how many months away from release?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2011, 09:16:42 PM
art style looks fine. but something always feels off about it, whether it's a canned sword animation or whatever. It feels like a third party game. It doesn't look like it has the Zelda polish at all.

Also, the media for the game has been 100% atrocious. TP was hyped up because its pre-release media was AMAZING and worth getting excited about.

Nintendo hasn't even released one trailer that feels exciting and we're how many months away from release?

Well let's take a look at the trailers for TP.

E3 2004 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h73I-S49NFI): Was only exciting because it was a new Zelda game, and it had a "grown up" art style after Wind Waker. Used some music jacked from Conan the Barbarian (and originally used in an American OoT commercial), and otherwise only showed some super early gameplay and character designs.
GDC 2005 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV3lH9qWmks): Showed some interesting things, but nothing too exciting. Well, if you're not excited for SS you wouldn't find it exciting.
E3 2005 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3v_-LPVm2E): Showed off an exciting new world with an intriguing art style, more story, new character (Midna), all coupled with some very exciting music. TP's best trailer.
E3 2006 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djt-w7LrDJg): Almost 100% gameplay, and not shown during the conference. Wasn't too exciting.
Launch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqUqxVKd5q0): Mostly gameplay but some story, and set to the E3 2005 music. So it was also exciting, but IMO not as well put together as E3 2005's.

The only thing SS is missing is a "story"-based trailer, but everyone always makes fun of people for being excited about the story in Zelda games, so why want that?

I'll admit SS's trailers aren't up to TP's best yet, but people aren't really thinking this through. If you care about the gameplay in the series, and the promise of fantastically designed dungeons, and like the art style, and have heard of the changes they're making, I don't know why you wouldn't be excited.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: cool breeze on July 25, 2011, 09:46:23 PM
Skyward Sword looks like the best Zelda game full stop.  The overall design decisions, large and small, seem to nail everything I like about Zelda game and fix everything I don't.  I can understand apathy coming off of the poor DS games, but any video playthough quells that concern.

I saw this extended playthrough of a dungeon the other day and it got me even more excited.  It has some Tomb Raider-platforming draw in the dungeon layout.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sdcc-11-zelda-skyward/717906 (unfortunately, it's only on gametrailers)

Only real problem is that it's on the Wii


as for why people aren't as hyped for it? who knows.  it's pretty different from other Zelda games, and contrary to what people say, they don't actually want new things.  Twilight Princess was firmly in that nostalgia comfort zone where there was empathy with their younger, less cynical selves.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2011, 09:47:52 PM
art style looks fine. but something always feels off about it, whether it's a canned sword animation or whatever. It feels like a third party game. It doesn't look like it has the Zelda polish at all.

Also, the media for the game has been 100% atrocious. TP was hyped up because its pre-release media was AMAZING and worth getting excited about.

Nintendo hasn't even released one trailer that feels exciting and we're how many months away from release?

Well let's take a look at the trailers for TP.

E3 2004 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h73I-S49NFI): Was only exciting because it was a new Zelda game, and it had a "grown up" art style after Wind Waker. Used some music jacked from Conan the Barbarian (and originally used in an American OoT commercial), and otherwise only showed some super early gameplay and character designs.
GDC 2005 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV3lH9qWmks): Showed some interesting things, but nothing too exciting. Well, if you're not excited for SS you wouldn't find it exciting.
E3 2005 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3v_-LPVm2E): Showed off an exciting new world with an intriguing art style, more story, new character (Midna), all coupled with some very exciting music. TP's best trailer.
E3 2006 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djt-w7LrDJg): Almost 100% gameplay, and not shown during the conference. Wasn't too exciting.
Launch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqUqxVKd5q0): Mostly gameplay but some story, and set to the E3 2005 music. So it was also exciting, but IMO not as well put together as E3 2005's.

The only thing SS is missing is a "story"-based trailer, but everyone always makes fun of people for being excited about the story in Zelda games, so why want that?

I'll admit SS's trailers aren't up to TP's best yet, but people aren't really thinking this through. If you care about the gameplay in the series, and the promise of fantastically designed dungeons, and like the art style, and have heard of the changes they're making, I don't know why you wouldn't be excited.

Because all we've seen so far is a bunch of talk. The dungeons we have seen look like standard Zelda.

TP's trailers are better cut, show more exciting footage. SS' media is fucking boring.

Sure, they promise it won't be the same old shit, but we haven't seen anything indicates it AIN'T the same old shit. Hence the general apathy.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2011, 10:05:12 PM
Because all we've seen so far is a bunch of talk. The dungeons we have seen look like standard Zelda.

TP's trailers are better cut, show more exciting footage. SS' media is fucking boring.

SS's trailers (E3 2010, GDC 2011, E3 2011, and Comic-Con 2011) are of exactly the same primarily gameplay-with-music mold as TP's E3 2004, GDC 2005, and E3 2006 trailers. They're all pretty much cut exactly the same way. The only ones that don't fall into this mold are the story-focused E3 2005 and launch trailers, and those are only great because of the trailer-exclusive music made for them. Mark my words, a few weeks before SS comes out it will be given a launch trailer's like TP's. And then everyone will pull a 180 and say "OMG I can't believe how exciting this looks" even though it'll be the same gameplay and art style we're seeing now, just with more cutscenes and more exciting music thrown in.

Me personally, I've gotten above being swayed by trailers for games. I now look at the facts as to why I should be excited, not overwrought commercials. And everything I know about SS sounds amazing. I'm 90% sure this game will at least be as good as TP, if not much better.

Sure, they promise it won't be the same old shit, but we haven't seen anything indicates it AIN'T the same old shit. Hence the general apathy.

The stuff they're talking about (more integrated dungeons, upgrading items, loot, re-visitable dungeons) are not something you can really demonstrate in a demo or two minute trailer. The other changes that people SHOULD be excited about (better maneuverability like flips and jumps, gorgeous art style, stamina bar, 1:1 motion combat) are not things they are excited about for whatever dumb reason. And as TP's dungeons were the best in the series, I'm highly anticipating what SS will manage to pull off.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2011, 10:08:49 PM
You're not going to go convince me that SS' media is as good as TP's media. Saying that any of SS' media is cut the same exact way as TP's 04 trailer is flat out wrong. The only bad trailer for TP is the GDC 05 trailer. The E3 06 trailer is new to me.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: cool breeze on July 25, 2011, 10:14:06 PM
I'm assuming you mean the waggle-intensive combat for the latter
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Post by: Himu on July 25, 2011, 10:16:12 PM
Waggle extensive everything. Great, now I have to balance my wiimote to get across a rope.

Not impressed with that footage, Link.
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Post by: Himu on July 25, 2011, 10:25:00 PM
Still watching the footage link posted.

Ahahaha I have waggle to leap while climbing a bunch of leaves?

How "refreshing"
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2011, 10:27:05 PM
ahahahahah You have to use the wiimote to swing on a rope?!

:rofl

Fuck this game
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 25, 2011, 10:43:43 PM
complaining about motion gaming was cool back in 2005

oh and himu we've seen one dungeon.  the first dungeon of the game.  one that is already not nearly as linear as ANY of the dungeons we've seen in 3D zeldas :-|

keep fucking that butthurt chicken, himu
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2011, 10:49:44 PM
Not really. Nothing wrong with waggle so long as it doesn't try to substitute legitimate creative game design. Conservative use of waggle ala Twilight Princess wii turns out nicely. It improves things that need improving (aiming) while enhancing other things (sword fighting). By the end of TP, I forgot the game had waggle. That's how well implemented it was and that's how natural it felt to me, because it didn't really rely on it.

At this point, I'll gamefly Skyward Sword. If they release something that doesn't prove itself to be a canned waggle fest, maybe I'll buy it.

If it's anywhere close to Saints Row The Third's release I won't buy it anyways.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Trent Dole on July 25, 2011, 10:55:54 PM
It's kind of hard to get it up for a Gamecube game in 2011 even if it is Zelda.
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Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2011, 10:58:12 PM
It's kind of hard to get it up for a Gamecube game in 2011 even if it is Zelda.

2/10
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2011, 10:59:01 PM
It does look outdated and I'm not talking about visuals in the least bit, purely from a gameplay standpoint.
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Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2011, 11:12:52 PM
It does look outdated and I'm not talking about visuals in the least bit, purely from a gameplay standpoint.

Howso?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2011, 11:18:27 PM
You kidding? Balancing across ropes? I haven't seen that before! Swinging on vines? Original! Lock-on combat? Oh man, I totally loved that back in 1998.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 25, 2011, 11:23:43 PM
what the fuck else are you going to do in a 3D zelda

looks to me that it's not zelda's fault anymore, it just sounds that you're ready to move onto more hardcore franchises.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2011, 11:26:52 PM
Or I expect it to evolve with the times and reinvent shit like it used to.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 25, 2011, 11:27:48 PM
zelda was hardly ever a series of reinvention.  it was always more like "remember this shit?  here it is in more depth/better pixels/3d/cel-shaded."
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2011, 11:30:28 PM
what the fuck else are you going to do in a 3D zelda

looks to me that it's not zelda's fault anymore, it just sounds that you're ready to move onto more hardcore franchises.

People just want Uncharted with Link, Ganon, and Zelda.  :yuck
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2011, 11:31:35 PM
When I say reinvent, I mean reinvent a whole genre.

Original Zelda -> innovation
Link to the Past -> something new altogether
Ocarina of Time -> 3d action adventure done right

This looks like the same shit its been since 1998, and not in a Dragon Quest "perfect the formula" way either. Even Zelda 2 is something fucking crazy. And this is without bringing up Majora's Mask!
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2011, 11:31:52 PM
what the fuck else are you going to do in a 3D zelda

looks to me that it's not zelda's fault anymore, it just sounds that you're ready to move onto more hardcore franchises.

People just want Uncharted with Link, Ganon, and Zelda.  :yuck

 :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 25, 2011, 11:36:40 PM
When I say reinvent, I mean reinvent a whole genre.

Original Zelda -> innovation
Link to the Past -> something new altogether
Ocarina of Time -> 3d action adventure done right

This looks like the same shit its been since 1998, and not in a Dragon Quest "perfect the formula" way either. Even Zelda 2 is something fucking crazy. And this is without bringing up Majora's Mask!

I'm sorry, I don't find anything innovative gameplay wise in the zelda series other than zelda I, II, and majora's mask.  everything else has been a re-imagination of the zelda formula with respect to its current generation's strengths and restraints.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2011, 11:39:25 PM
what the fuck else are you going to do in a 3D zelda

looks to me that it's not zelda's fault anymore, it just sounds that you're ready to move onto more hardcore franchises.

People just want Uncharted with Link, Ganon, and Zelda.  :yuck

 :-X :-X :-X

I knew it.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 26, 2011, 12:12:12 AM
just the thought of that makes me SICK, andrex
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on July 26, 2011, 12:14:18 AM
Complaining about the waggle applications in this game and claiming TP had a somehow better application is disingenuous doomsaying.  A vertical motion or diagonal motion actually translating into the expected result is so obviously superior for achieving intuitive interaction within the game.  The pointing elements themselves don't require the sensor bar in Skyward Sword, further streamlining the use of pointing controls by removing the necessity of having to orient your person towards the screen.

And anyone saying this is the same old shit since 98 has not been paying attention to the cascade of game information we got at E3.  The upgrade system provides more rewards for exploring beyond arbitrary rupees.  Dungeons must be returned to and open new areas in Metroid fashion.  In addition we gots a siren pacman stealth dimension. Aaaaannnnd enemies have distinctive attack and defensive patterns that essentially makes them their own unique puzzle as opposed to : jump attack spin attack jump attack shenanigans that have dumbed down 3d zeldas forever.  The stalfos shown has ways to break your guard and devastate Link during stun.  The item selection system has been revamped into a quick realtime selection process that ,again, further streamlines your actions.  Oh, and there's a dash function finally, which is a boon to people like me who find older 3d zeldas the equivalent of maneuvering a geriatric through a briarpatch.  Skyloft has been slated as the spiritual successor to Clocktown with all of its sidequest baggage, and the skies are dotted with floating isles to explore ala Wind Waker.

You want to know the source of the apathy?  Its SD, it requires flicks of the wrist and won't inflate a gamerscore.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on July 26, 2011, 12:26:36 AM
just the thought of that makes me SICK, andrex

Then what do you want? Because it sure as hell ain't Zelda.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 26, 2011, 12:28:11 AM
I assure you I want Zelda. But not the same Zelda I've been playing since 1998. Thankfully they're PROMISING it's different enough and that's what gives me hope.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on July 26, 2011, 12:33:28 AM
you know what *is* the same old shit though, is a nintendo fan climbing on the cross

Isn't climbing on the cross more of a "me" thing?  I'm pretty sure what I said would be interpreted as poor poor nintendo is on the cross.  I think I may be a little mad at them though because I just remembered Advance Wars used to exist, but shhhhh don't tell anyone.
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Post by: cool breeze on July 26, 2011, 12:38:35 AM
that dash/sprint ability does look great.  also how Link runs up the wall and transitions into climbing.  every actions looks quicker and smoother, right down to opening chests.
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Post by: Tasty on July 26, 2011, 12:45:30 AM
that dash/sprint ability does look great.  also how Link runs up the wall and transitions into climbing.  every actions looks quicker and smoother, right down to opening chests.

Yuppers. Even the basic controls have been revamped in SS for the first time since OoT. Looks great.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 26, 2011, 12:48:11 AM
bububu dudes link's been runnin since a link to the past  :hans1
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on July 26, 2011, 12:48:27 AM
that dash/sprint ability does look great.  also how Link runs up the wall and transitions into climbing.  every actions looks quicker and smoother, right down to opening chests.

Exactly.  I think one of the main cornerstones that will be reminisced upon about Skyward Sword is how they made a 3d zelda that plays as fluid if not moreso than the 2d stuff.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 26, 2011, 01:35:24 AM
i love the sprint/dash
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on July 26, 2011, 01:37:51 AM
One thing I also want to comment on is the color scheme and enemy design (and environment design.) It's good looking obviously, but other than that I have to say it looks really "out there." Like, watching the posted dungeon footage, I kept thinking "this is like something that would have been in the manual to NES games, like Zelda 1 and 2." There's a boss that looks like a Hindu deity (many armed, like Kali), and it just evokes memories of what American artists would have created to evoke a feel of grand adventure in the 80s and early 90s.

Even stuff like Link slashing through the spiderweb at a specific angle, and subsequently getting stuck in it, seems to evoke that same feeling somehow. For me at least. The color scheme, as mentioned, helps all this. It's not all a certain blend of colors, the colors seem at first to conflict but end up creating a great style from the chaos. And this compliments that old 80's adventure feeling as well, I think.
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Post by: Himu on July 26, 2011, 02:36:06 AM
I'm not getting 80s or 90s vibe. What the fuck
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Post by: Tasty on July 26, 2011, 02:46:51 AM
I'm not getting 80s or 90s vibe. What the fuck

Probably just me then. But that's definitely the vibe I get.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on July 26, 2011, 06:18:38 AM
wow you guys are talking about zelda being always the same shit? what's next? the sky is blue? the water is wet? nintendo announce another pokemon sequel?

Quote
waggle fest

i think i might be the only man on the planet who's more excited that he's getting some use out of his motion+ than the fact that "OMG ZERUDA!!1!"
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on July 26, 2011, 06:27:46 AM
i also got myself red steel 2 and flingsmash just to use the thing....

RED STEEL 2
AND FLINGSMASH

:-\

you know the thing that pisses me to death is how the motion+ goes totaly out of synch everytime you give it 3-4 good consecutive swings yet there are a lot of games where they expect me to waggle like a champ
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 26, 2011, 06:46:38 AM
Did all creative people that love to make hardcore games leave Nintendo?

so this is what it's like for my parents when i talk about the 60s and 70s

:bow :bow2
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Herr Mafflard on July 26, 2011, 08:37:25 AM
I'm liking the art style and color palette a lot; enemy designs and environments look more interesting. Conversely, TP looks dreary and downright boring in comparison.

Smoother animation transitions aren't innovation, it's the norm now and should be expected from all third-person games with a budget. The motion plus combat stuff looks interesting, if only for swapping out one arbitrary combat model for another slightly less so.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on July 26, 2011, 08:55:22 AM
:lol

you own a motion plus

Not all of us are Big Gimping, sir.

I own two Wii+ controllers myself.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 26, 2011, 09:21:58 AM
wow you guys are talking about zelda being always the same shit? what's next? the sky is blue? the water is wet? nintendo announce another pokemon sequel?

Quote
waggle fest

i think i might be the only man on the planet who's more excited that he's getting some use out of his motion+ than the fact that "OMG ZERUDA!!1!"


The problem isn't Zelda being the same shit. The problem is Zelda not evolving while at the same time shoving waggle in our faces.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2011, 01:13:15 PM
zelda was hardly ever a series of reinvention.  it was always more like "remember this shit?  here it is in more depth/better pixels/3d/cel-shaded."

Real talk.

I've never seen a Zelda game with less hype. Even Wind Waker garnered a host of awards, good reviews, etc alongside the criticism/backlash.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 26, 2011, 01:36:04 PM
If you don't think the Zelda has never been about reinvention or innovation of the action adventure genre you're probably the same age as Andrex or haven't played many games.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 26, 2011, 02:12:29 PM
Himu, this is me you're talking to. 
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Post by: demi on July 26, 2011, 02:17:18 PM
Who wants to donate?

http://toledo.craigslist.org/vgm/2514232796.html
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 26, 2011, 02:21:30 PM
I personally found at one point that Zelda was THE action adventure series. Its influence is vast. Every time Zelda did something neat, someone did something similar and soon, everyone was doing it. It happened with the original Zelda. It happened with Zelda 2 and rpg side scrollers. It happened with Link to the Past and its vast dungeons and puzzle solving. It happened with OoT and its 3d world that no 3d game before ever saw. When I think of Zelda, I think of a franchise that yes, sticks to a familiar formula, but very often comes up with new ways to solve old problems or new ways to play them period, games like LttP, Zelda 2, OoT.

I look at Zelda SS and it just looks...so safe. And then I look at games like Fallout: New Vegas with huge sprawling worlds with tons of shit to do and see with a keen attention to detail, and it's like, when did Zelda start feeling this underwhelming?

I was fine with it when I played Twilight Princess, because Twilight Princess felt like a swan song in many ways, a tribute so to speak. Even by the end of that game I found myself growing tired of the same old.

I'll be playing it no doubt, but it's kinda disappointing after Mario Galaxy that, as far as I've seen, Nintendo seems to be hamming it up with this new Zelda.
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Post by: Oblivion on July 26, 2011, 02:26:20 PM
zelda was hardly ever a series of reinvention.  it was always more like "remember this shit?  here it is in more depth/better pixels/3d/cel-shaded."

Real talk.

I've never seen a Zelda game with less hype. Even Wind Waker garnered a host of awards, good reviews, etc alongside the criticism/backlash.

SS ain't out yet, PD. ;)

But I agree that the hype for it is abysmal for Zelda standards. Hell, even I'M not that excited for it, and I'm a Zelda taco par excellance. For me it isn't even that I share the complaints that people have about Zelda not evolving enough or whatever the fuck, but after TP, I just don't have much confidence in Nintendo making a well rounded Zelda experience anymore. Now, mind you I'll still get it day 1, but this is probably the lowest level of hype I've had for a presumably GOOD Zelda game ever.

Also, I know the game's going for an impressionist art style, but does anyone else think it looks blurry as fuck?
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Post by: magus on July 26, 2011, 02:54:22 PM
himuro is sounding like the biggest ndork ever,like bigger than brandnew :-X
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 26, 2011, 03:08:57 PM
I'm glad I'm not super hyped about this: hype almost always results in disappointment.
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Post by: Tasty on July 26, 2011, 03:17:12 PM
himu are you there

it's me margaret

I actually read that book.

Had a good laugh with my friends. We did like dramatic readings, was awesome.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 26, 2011, 03:32:36 PM
looks awesome to me, music in the trailers is booooooring though. they need to make a bunch of clones of Masashi Hamauzu and get them to compose everything ever.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on July 26, 2011, 04:17:12 PM
looks awesome to me, music in the trailers is booooooring though. they need to make a bunch of clones of Masashi Hamauzu and get them to compose everything ever.

Well it's Zelda's Lullaby backwards, kind of an odd choice but I think the latest version (in the Comic Con trailer) sounds pretty good, if unexciting as you said.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 26, 2011, 04:38:02 PM
I don't have many fears regarding the music.  Kondo with a few tracks, but Mahito Yokota is the main composer and they're following a similar route they had with the Galaxy games: collaborative compositions with most of the tracks a hybrid with orchestral instruments and MIDI instruments.  If we got something as quality as these:

[youtube=560,345]keeM4wFRJWk[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]u9oRXhtotuc[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]Y54ZzfZ0udo[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]tzVVlxriIcU[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]Gadk8EFVUkI#movie_player[/youtube]

Or Kondo's best work since, well, he started:
[youtube=560,345]qW7pdX7pDM0[/youtube]

...then, I'm not really worried.  Yokota is I'd wager one of the strongest composers the industry, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 26, 2011, 04:43:24 PM
[youtube=560,345]vLXL3NY3uBo[/youtube]
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 26, 2011, 05:42:41 PM
Recursive, watch this video (start at around 1:47)

[youtube=560,345]2gZzD9FnWlY&feature=view_all&list=PLDA9833CFCDA8F275&index=88[/youtube]

The music there is pretty tits, don't you think?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on July 26, 2011, 06:19:09 PM
I looove that they added the combo chimes (back?) in.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 26, 2011, 06:19:59 PM
They've been in every Zelda game since Wind Waker.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on July 26, 2011, 06:38:13 PM
They've been in every Zelda game since Wind Waker.

Right right, my memory is failing me. Still sound great though.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on July 26, 2011, 08:04:40 PM
Not all of us are Big Gimping, sir.

I own two Wii+ controllers myself.

you owning them surprises me not a little

i just have to wonder what a normal gamer would buy them for

Many sports games support it.  Its not that hard to imagine what one owner would do with multiples.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on July 27, 2011, 01:25:28 AM
I don't have a M+ yet... probably gonna get the gold Wiimote bundle.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Bildi on July 27, 2011, 02:50:18 AM
Fuck if I want to get another stupid accessory just to play Zelda.

If the Wii U comes with a M+ controller I'll pickup a Wii U cheap one day and catch up on all the Zelda games to that point.  First console Zelda game I won't play at launch. :-\
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: cool breeze on July 27, 2011, 03:00:11 AM
I bought wii sports resort so I have one of the motion plus things.  Worked well in that and Red Steel 2, except for the damn wire.  I don't know if I'll buy a new remote with it built in unless there is like a Zelda bundle or a wireless nunchuck.

wii sports resort oddly tests a lot of the waggle concepts that appear in skyward sword.  I just noticed using the bow even requires you to pull back the nunchuck, which is just superfluous and dumb and goes against what has been exciting me. 

I'm ok with waggle when it's an action that cannot be replicated with standard controls.  The precise sword combat sounds great, and I know it plays great from wii sports resort.  The bow pull back, flying the bird and beetle-item through tilt, and crap like that are waggle for the sake of waggle.  It detracts from the experience.  Again, I know that stuff plays poorly from wii sports resort.

really, though, who prefers holding c and pulling back on the nunchuck to just pressing c? it's against the otherwise streamlined design they seem to be going for. 
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on July 27, 2011, 03:09:55 AM
I think the bird flying sounds like it did in TP, which worked pretty well and was only mildly annoying because of the enclosed space. With more polish, being made with motion in mind, and better fidelity, it should play pretty well.

The beetle sounds good to me, would not prefer to control it with an analog stick.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: T-Short on July 27, 2011, 03:34:05 AM
Recursive, watch this video (start at around 1:47)

[youtube=560,345]2gZzD9FnWlY&feature=view_all&list=PLDA9833CFCDA8F275&index=88[/youtube]

The music there is pretty tits, don't you think?

Gameplay looks pretty awful here. Super jerky, mis-registered swordwaggles breaking the action up all the time. That music is overly dramatic and pompous for what is a 30sec battle with a distinguished mentally-challenged Stalfos. Also mixed too low so it gets drowned out by the dumb battle sounds. What a waste. lol
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on July 27, 2011, 05:33:06 AM
see, the issue is that i don't imagine a normal gamer spends much time doing waggle sports with his or her friends

that seems to be the sole province of the yellow-breasted nintard, and i didn't think magoose was a nintard

waggle equal whimsy

and i love whimsy
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Herr Mafflard on July 27, 2011, 06:52:05 AM
^ I was about to say, that sounds like every 3D Zelda ever.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: T-Short on July 27, 2011, 06:56:28 AM
yeah, but even worse with the lame-o Motion+ failing to register sword swings
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Herr Mafflard on July 27, 2011, 07:15:19 AM
Gotta say, it's embarrassing the way Link holds his sword out like a forked stick when running about.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2011, 08:51:44 AM
it really is. it looks beyond distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 27, 2011, 01:40:48 PM
Oh how the mighty have fallen.

If you told me in that I wouldn't even want to play a Zelda game a few years back I would have laughed.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on July 27, 2011, 02:02:48 PM
Link running around with his sword out animates the way it does due to the fact they programmed it to correspond with how the player is holding it.  Certain puzzles have been shown to use this feature such as making eye doors dizzy by twirling the sword around. 

There were no visually misregistered sword swings in that vid, unless you think the overhead slashes bouncing off of the armored spider are an indication of this.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on July 27, 2011, 02:06:14 PM
see, the issue is that i don't imagine a normal gamer spends much time doing waggle sports with his or her friends

that seems to be the sole province of the yellow-breasted nintard, and i didn't think magoose was a nintard

You say this as if the 20 million people who bought Wii Sports resort never happened.  The first Tiger Woods motionplus game did alright, and most of the 2k wii sports catalogue supports the peripheral.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on July 27, 2011, 02:26:31 PM
I think there was a semantical issue.  I think of normal gamers as normal people that happen to play games.  Not saying people who identify as gamers aren't normal per se, but I don't think of them as having some kind of legitimacy that CoD dudebros or Farmville peeps don't.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Herr Mafflard on July 27, 2011, 02:41:21 PM
Link running around with his sword out animates the way it does due to the fact they programmed it to correspond with how the player is holding it.  Certain puzzles have been shown to use this feature such as making eye doors dizzy by twirling the sword around.

I know this. That is why my sword will always be sheathed; only to be pulled out when necessary, so that I produce the undulated gestures that make use of the much, (so far  ;)), propitious Motion+. Thus, I look like a tit only when the occasions present themselves. And in the game.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2011, 02:50:03 PM
Link running around with his sword out animates the way it does due to the fact they programmed it to correspond with how the player is holding it.  Certain puzzles have been shown to use this feature such as making eye doors dizzy by twirling the sword around. 

There were no visually misregistered sword swings in that vid, unless you think the overhead slashes bouncing off of the armored spider are an indication of this.

it looks gay
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on July 27, 2011, 03:12:39 PM
Link running around with his sword out animates the way it does due to the fact they programmed it to correspond with how the player is holding it.  Certain puzzles have been shown to use this feature such as making eye doors dizzy by twirling the sword around. 

There were no visually misregistered sword swings in that vid, unless you think the overhead slashes bouncing off of the armored spider are an indication of this.

it looks gay

It's a necessary byproduct of the control mechanism.  I don't think vaginas are that attractive by themselves, but they are what they are for many goooood reasons.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2011, 03:24:23 PM
why not just do it TP way then so it doesn't look like he's holding his sword like he does when he's stroking cock on saturday evenings at the lon lon ranch bar?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on July 27, 2011, 03:33:10 PM
I've already explained that.  Twilight Princess read waggle, not positioning.  Skyward Sword uses the positioning in various situationd.  The sword beam mechanic requires a charge state by pointing your sword upwards.  Eye doors (and I imagine many other puzzles!) want the player to use the way the sword is being held in the puzzle solving process.  The way Link holds his sword is a constant connection to how the player holds the remote.  Its a necessary function to better facilitate how to interact with the game.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2011, 03:35:59 PM
I understand. That doesn't mean I have to like the way it looks. It looks so unnatural.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on July 27, 2011, 03:41:52 PM
If you don't like the way it looks then you can like , uh, conciously contort your irl arm to whatever is acceptable.  I don't see what the alternative there is when attempting 1:1 tracking.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: cool breeze on July 27, 2011, 03:59:58 PM
yeah, it's an oversight but not really a complaint.

it maps the sword to the wii remote but they forgot most people hold it kinda like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/gU3Zk.jpg)
so Link is pointing his sword forward because it's relative to your hand position.  You can hold your hand to your side for it to look more natural, but it wouldn't be more comfortable for the player.

the other solution would be to make the advanced sword moves require the Z button to be held down.  we've more or less seen the same dungeon over and over, so there could be a reason for why they didn't do that. 
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2011, 04:02:35 PM
well when i play wii, my wiimote is mostly pointed down or in the middle, rarely ever up.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2011, 04:10:48 PM
don't blame us for calling the facts
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on July 27, 2011, 04:33:43 PM
The facts being you weren't inspired by prerelease trailers and you don't like how they chose to animate the 1:1 sword controls.  Yeah I'm sure that will make or break the game.

The zelda cycle is its own beast apart from the sonic cycle to be sure.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2011, 04:42:36 PM
There is no cycle. I'm usually pumped for console Zelda's. Don't bring up that alarmist "they don't agree with me so let's pigeonhole them" claptrap into this thread.

About as bullshit as saying "the latest zelda is the worst zelda ever until the next game comes out when it's suddenly good" bullshit.

Only tools fall for that line of bullshit.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Beezy on July 27, 2011, 07:20:54 PM
...Zelda cycle? Wtf. I don't even wanna know.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: naff on July 27, 2011, 07:33:35 PM
they forgot most people hold it kinda like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/gU3Zk.jpg)

0.o really? I always hold the remote and nunchuk with my arms chillin on armrests or at my sides. Never seen anyone who holds it so directly in front of them. Looks tiring lol
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 27, 2011, 07:35:41 PM
qq more himu, good lord

the zelda cycle is something a lot of people have stressed is self-fulfilling, and I once believed in it as well.  It started ever since Majora's Mask: people immediately hate the new game and tell themselves they miss the "better" game that came before it.  It got a lot of weight when TP came out.

Personally, I just think Zelda fans are fucking morons and don't know what the fuck they want/like (himu is great evidence for this), and I've learned to just enjoy whatever the team puts out, no matter its faults.  I've had varying enjoyment of every Zelda game, even the DS ones.  The less bitching, the more I genuinely like a game
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: naff on July 27, 2011, 07:42:05 PM
Personally, I just think Zelda fans are fucking morons and don't know what the fuck they want/like (himu is great evidence for this) .... -> I've learned to just enjoy whatever the team puts out, no matter its faults.  

:lol
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2011, 07:44:44 PM
Yes, I don't know what I like, which is why I like every Zelda I've played except 2.

Okay.

Typical fanboy garbage. Get outta here with that shit.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 27, 2011, 07:45:12 PM
eh, that was worded pretty terribly.  I meant that I don't really actively bitch about a trend that I hate in the games lately; I just try to find enjoyment with whatever the game offers.  The DS games are pretty awful Zelda games, but they offered a new experience and I enjoyed the dungeon design for the most part.  But just because it was less than great, I'm not going to suddenly distrust the Zelda team

fuck I'm just digging my own grave.  nevermind, I'm dumb too

edit: himu you're going to play this game and then praise the hell out of it.  your constant wah-wahing will prove useless once it comes out
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2011, 07:48:09 PM
You know what? You're probably right. I more than likely will. I even like PH to some degree.

But that doesn't mean I can't comment on the direction of the series, which, as far as the media we've seen, is as gimmicky as it gets and saying that what we've been saying in this thread goes without merit is grade A cat poop, especially - ESPECIALLY - after the release of PH and ST.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 27, 2011, 07:51:37 PM
and like I've said, if you're sick of gimmicks -- things that have been a staple of the zelda series since forever -- then maybe you just need to move onto a franchise that does something different with a zelda-like formula.  it's not a bad thing.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2011, 07:53:51 PM
There's gimmicks, and then there's vapid waggle thrown in for the sake of being "unique" or "refreshing" parading as game design. Why the hell do I have to wave my wiimote like a penis to swing on a rope? That's distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: naff on July 27, 2011, 07:55:05 PM
eh, that was worded pretty terribly.  I meant that I don't really actively bitch about a trend that I hate in the games lately; I just try to find enjoyment with whatever the game offers

Yeah I got that ;) still funny though. I'll agree that it's an exercise in futility turning a critical eye to stoically repetitious series like Zelda, I know what I'm getting, and if I'm likely to be pissed off it'll be about things like stupid ass 5 hour tutorials
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 27, 2011, 08:04:03 PM
There's gimmicks, and then there's vapid waggle thrown in for the sake of being "unique" or "refreshing" parading as game design. Why the hell do I have to wave my wiimote like a penis to swing on a rope? That's distinguished mentally-challenged.

stop blaming the game and start blaming the hardware.  the zelda team aren't the hardware guys at Nintendo -- they're probably as annoyed as you are with the shit they have to work with.  But work with the hardware they must, and they are trying to get the most out of what they're given.  Blame Iwata and Miyamoto, not Aonuma.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: cool breeze on July 27, 2011, 08:38:02 PM
they forgot most people hold it kinda like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/gU3Zk.jpg)

0.o really? I always hold the remote and nunchuk with my arms chillin on armrests or at my sides. Never seen anyone who holds it so directly in front of them. Looks tiring lol

no no not literally like that.  I play it with my arms on the armrest too.  I just meant with the controller pointing towards the screen
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Barry Egan on July 27, 2011, 08:42:37 PM
I just feel like they dropped by the ball when choosing the add-on to hitch this game behind.  They would have more of my attention if they had used the biofeedback sensor, and focused the game around Links intense fear of heights while at the same time living in the sky.  He then learns all about his own physiological rhythms in order to defeat his inhibiting phobia.  I don't think Nintendo realizes that this is what people mean when they clamor for a more adult Zelda.     
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2011, 09:21:12 PM
I just feel like they dropped by the ball when choosing the add-on to hitch this game behind.  They would have more of my attention if they had used the biofeedback sensor, and focused the game around Links intense fear of heights while at the same time living in the sky.  He than learns all about his own physiological rhythms in order to defeat his inhibiting phobia.  I don't think Nintendo realizes that this is what people mean when they clamor for a more adult Zelda.     

 :lol
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on August 09, 2011, 08:19:48 PM
No Ganon in this game, a bit late on this but whatever:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/118/1184014p1.html (http://wii.ign.com/articles/118/1184014p1.html)

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on August 09, 2011, 08:26:32 PM
Quote
When asked if Ghirahim reminded him of David Bowie Aonuma agreed that there were similarities

http://www.videogamelookalikes.com/david-bowie.html
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on August 09, 2011, 08:30:43 PM
Wrong. Games like Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening are refreshing and a huge reason is because there IS no Ganon.

Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 09, 2011, 08:33:40 PM
Ganon was annoying in Twilight Princess because he got shoe-horned in for the last hour or so.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on August 09, 2011, 08:34:12 PM
Exactly. Fuck that shit.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on August 09, 2011, 08:53:20 PM
You cite story, and yet Ganon is a part of the story...so..

Query: outside of wind waker when was ganon EVER a good villain? I mean, truly? He's dispensable. Ganon sucks.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 09, 2011, 09:03:22 PM
Guys ganon is the blue pig monster.  GanonDORF is the big nosed red haired duder.
ahem
This is really non news though. I don't give a shit about story and it doesn't really matter if the Dorf shows up or not.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: cool breeze on August 10, 2011, 12:32:58 AM
uh Ganon wasn't in Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass and those games ain't good.  It's a good thing his inclusion/exclusion has nothing to do with game quality!
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on August 10, 2011, 12:47:18 AM
I think the No Ganon thing is a good indicator for the risks they're taking with Skyward Sword. Game's shaping up to be great.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: cool breeze on August 29, 2011, 01:40:43 PM
game is getting a special release with a gold wii remote plus and soundtrack for $70

(http://i.imgur.com/VfqY2.jpg)

nintendo got lazy with the buttons
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Trent Dole on August 29, 2011, 04:59:04 PM
Soundtrack is with just the first pressing and will come with the first round of the standard $50 game only version as well. Box art is cooler looking than expected.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2011, 05:00:22 PM
I may get that if only for the wiimote plus because my wiimote plus that came with my wii has some stupid add on thing you have to put the wiimote inside.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 29, 2011, 05:26:59 PM
damn sexy boxart
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 29, 2011, 05:35:33 PM
game is getting a special release with a gold wii remote plus and soundtrack for $70

(http://i.imgur.com/VfqY2.jpg)

nintendo got lazy with the buttons

iiiiiiiiit's the Legend of Zelda and the gameplay's old
the good news is ninfags are fond of gold
waggle wand and soundtrack; the box art, too
but 3DS makes debt accrue
yeah, go Reg, yeah, get Shiggy
wicky wicky wick
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Raban on August 29, 2011, 05:41:44 PM
iiiiiiiiit's the Legend of Zelda and the gameplay's old
the good news is ninfags are fond of gold
waggle wand and soundtrack; the box art, too
but 3DS makes debt accrue
yeah, go Reg, yeah, get Shiggy
wicky wicky wick

8.8
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on August 29, 2011, 05:46:51 PM
i'm buying it. will be super rare like Zelda TP Cube.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Positive Touch on August 29, 2011, 05:49:08 PM
I think the No Ganon thing is a good indicator for the risks they're taking with Skyward Sword.

so very lol
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2011, 07:00:25 PM
I think the No Ganon thing is a good indicator for the risks they're taking with Skyward Sword.

so very lol


totally lol
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on August 29, 2011, 07:34:42 PM
iiiiiiiiit's the Legend of Zelda and the gameplay's old
the good news is ninfags are fond of gold
waggle wand and soundtrack; the box art, too
but 3DS makes debt accrue
yeah, go Reg, yeah, get Shiggy
wicky wicky wick

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHyaSSNimGc[/youtube]
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on August 29, 2011, 10:43:36 PM
i'm buying it. will be super rare like Zelda TP Cube.

TP Cube is rare? It was like one of the last GameCube games I still saw on shelves, right alongside Melee. It was also like $40 and I could still see it in like 2008-2009... Hrm.

Anyways yeah, love the boxart, and will definitely get the bundle since I don't have WM+ already.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on August 29, 2011, 11:09:03 PM
It fetches more than the Wii version, and will hold steady value, since Gamecube is the hotness (and the best Nintendo console)

Look at Pikmin 2...

http://www.ebay.com/ccg/Pikmin-2-Nintendo-GameCube-2004-/10938?rt=nc&LH_Complete=1&_dmpt=Video_Games_Games&_fln=1&_pcategid=139973&_pcatid=2&_pdpal=1&_trksid=p5360.c0.m283

wtf? Gamecube is awesome.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 29, 2011, 11:22:31 PM
I came in here to see why jd want this game and i see convos that should be nuked.

I wish I had Zelda on cube because waggle sucks.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on August 30, 2011, 04:24:01 AM
Wrong. Games like Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening are refreshing and a huge reason is because there IS no Ganon.



Sorry Himu, but LA does not deserve much credit for being unique. MM at least had the 3-day time system to affect the gameplay, but LA is nearly friggin identical in gameplay with LttP (in fact, dumbed down in many aspects even). The ONLY distinguishing feature is the story.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 30, 2011, 04:24:50 AM
Is the soundtrack cd midi?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on August 30, 2011, 06:37:51 AM
iiiiiiiiit's the Legend of Zelda and the gameplay's old
the good news is ninfags are fond of gold
waggle wand and soundtrack; the box art, too
but 3DS makes debt accrue
yeah, go Reg, yeah, get Shiggy
wicky wicky wick

no no no wait i had a much better joke!

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI3rO3PbYOo&feature=relmfu[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeL9cJ5khHU[/youtube]
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on August 30, 2011, 10:13:30 AM
Wrong. Games like Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening are refreshing and a huge reason is because there IS no Ganon.



Sorry Himu, but LA does not deserve much credit for being unique. MM at least had the 3-day time system to affect the gameplay, but LA is nearly friggin identical in gameplay with LttP (in fact, dumbed down in many aspects even). The ONLY distinguishing feature is the story.

uhhh, they're similar but not entirely identical. LttP doesn't use items like LA does. LA is weird sometimes. Being able to jump, for instance? Also, the world is more connected than LttP's in a way in the sense that it's just one big puzzle and you have to find ways to navigate and traverse it. LttP isn't in the same way.

That said I prefer LttP.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Raban on August 30, 2011, 12:41:00 PM
I went back and played some Majora's Mask only to find it's yet another game that Nintendo fans mindlessly cherish out of nostalgia.

If you actually handed that game to a human being, I have a hard time believing they'd be able to complete even half the content in the game without a FAQ. There is no information given about the sidequests, or even where to go! Is there something I'm missing?

Also, that people complained about the 3-day system is stupid. The game gives you at least three different songs to change time to your liking. Slow it down, restart the cycle, or speed it up. But time management is not a problem that MM has. It's how needlessly cryptic the game is at communicating goals to you.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Beezy on August 30, 2011, 12:46:34 PM
If you actually handed that game to a human being, I have a hard time believing they'd be able to complete even half the content in the game without a FAQ. There is no information given about the sidequests, or even where to go! Is there something I'm missing?
The 12 year old me who got all the masks and beat the final boss as Oni Link laughs at you.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on August 30, 2011, 12:48:14 PM
I used to not really like MM when it came out because it wasn't OoT part 2. I played it for real like three years ago, no nostalgia, no faq and it's now my favorite Zelda.

An faq isn't really needed. You look at the schedule the bombers give you and apply that to your own schedule, do the sidequests and repeat.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Raban on August 30, 2011, 12:56:11 PM
Well my save's still there, so I'll probably head back to it at some point.

The 12 year old me who got all the masks and beat the final boss as Oni Link laughs at you.

:'(
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on August 30, 2011, 12:57:57 PM
what are you having trouble with? anything and everythign is hinted at in the game you just gotta explore and check your journal and know where every character is, and how to get to them (example: romani ranch)
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Raban on August 30, 2011, 01:06:09 PM
Just the sidequests in general. I tried getting the bomb mask and some other stuff and could not remember how and didn't want to look it up. I talked to most of the NPCs, but it was just info I knew. "The shipment of bombs is late today, wonder why!", shit like that.

(http://i.imgur.com/lQDgj.jpg)

So, I'm guessing if I talk to the people in this book around where that blue square is, I'll get somewhere in their sidequest?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on August 30, 2011, 01:23:57 PM
First you have to find the character, then go to the time period where their blue is marked, see what's up. You'll probably get a clue. Sometimes you can't finish sidequests without certain masks already obtained, sometimes like in the Anju/Kafei quest you have to do quests in sequential order.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Raban on August 30, 2011, 01:26:06 PM
Okay, I'll give it another shot then.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on August 30, 2011, 06:27:13 PM
I preordered this shit on Amazon. Gonna wrap it in a condom and leave it in my closet. Not like I was ever gonna use those condoms anyway.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: tiesto on September 12, 2011, 09:51:01 PM
I preordered this shit on Amazon. Gonna wrap it in a condom and leave it in my closet. Not like I was ever gonna use those condoms anyway.

Are they magnums? If so, you can give them to me, I've been banging a lot of girls lately...
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on September 12, 2011, 11:49:22 PM
that map is very wind wakerish

like
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 12, 2011, 11:51:40 PM
if you didn't watch the beginning of the nintendo conference, you missed out on some amazing skyward sword gameplay videos.  looks incredible.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Damian79 on September 13, 2011, 01:10:18 AM
Man this game will give me a workout physically.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2011, 01:56:22 AM
Very very good video preview. Now THAT gets me excited.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2011, 02:40:50 AM
Miyamoto announced a second quest in SS :o

Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Raban on September 13, 2011, 02:49:00 AM
At least it seems like Nintendo's trying. Too bad you gotta fight the waggle for all 100 hours.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2011, 02:50:19 AM
Finally. footage of SS that doesn't look like DOGSHIT.

[youtube=560,345]z_MQYAbJ_1k[/youtube]

(http://i56.tinypic.com/fn71ch.jpg)

also:

(http://i.imgur.com/wCoNf.png)
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on September 13, 2011, 03:43:15 AM
Quote
- mixes tear collecting of Twilight Princess and stealth of Phantom Hourglass

Sound like a winning combination!
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Beezy on September 13, 2011, 03:46:38 AM
Godfuckindammit. I'm not buying another Wii. Someone is lending me theirs or I'm living with them for a week.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: brob on September 13, 2011, 03:53:39 AM
50-100 hours of waving myself around my living room. yay.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: BlueTsunami on September 13, 2011, 04:00:36 AM
I read that they've extended gameplay by having heart containers only upgrade 1/4th of a full heart

I'm joking of course

teehee

I want this game
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Beezy on September 13, 2011, 04:29:57 AM
Godfuckindammit. I'm not buying another Wii. Someone is lending me theirs or I'm living with them for a week.

Dolphin, mang.
That's another option, but I'm on a 3 year old laptop right now.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 13, 2011, 07:01:25 AM
Didnt miyamoto say TP was 100 hours?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on September 13, 2011, 07:51:29 AM
so... first we don't like the game

then we like the game

seriously pick one bore? ???
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on September 13, 2011, 08:11:21 AM
Quote
yeah it's almost like we don't rigidly make up our mind beforehand and refuse to back down from that stance no matter what evidence to the contrary comes our way

so you guys are a bunch of easily swayed wussies got it :smug
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: BlueTsunami on September 13, 2011, 08:42:36 AM
Just read there's a Second Quest mode

aaaaaAaAA HNGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: archie4208 on September 13, 2011, 08:59:56 AM
Maybe Miyamoto-san will include a mode that turns all the characters into lolis so magus can enjoy it.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on September 13, 2011, 09:30:42 AM
being reasonable is overrated!
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2011, 09:41:58 AM
so... first we don't like the game

then we like the game

seriously pick one bore? ???


Game shows shit BORING footage for over a year with not ONE decent trailer. Of course people thinks it looks fuckin GAY. Hype is dependent on media. There was NOTHING to be excited prior to yesterday's media onslaught. Especially since trailer shows A LOT of new shit for Zelda.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on September 13, 2011, 09:46:32 AM
the only trailer in this thread is that one you posted and it spends 4 minute dicking itself

you know i should blame himuro for doing an awful job and he's the zelda fanboy

worst fanboy ever,good thing i'm here :smug

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StXfwq4GU3g&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2011, 09:56:01 AM
Uhhhh, that was already posted and what convinced us the game wouldnt suck
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: cool breeze on September 13, 2011, 10:09:10 AM
the main waggle actions like sword fighting and aiming the bow look fine to me.  whereas Twilight Princess had waggle for a button input and requires successive waggles for repeated strikes, Skyward Sword videos show enemies who take less damage.  It's more like one or two well placed waggles instead of seizuring at one.

the smaller stuff like bird and beetle flying using the Wii Sports Resort tilt flying bothers me because it doesn't make sense and is less intuitive than the analog stick.  still, the other items in the trailer are almost Ape Escape-ish and I like that.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on September 13, 2011, 10:11:34 AM
Uhhhh, that was already posted and what convinced us the game wouldnt suck

no youtube link = no link at all

EDIT: oh? i get to collect bug in zelda to power up potion? dang i'm a sucker for that kind of shit,whole reason i played unlimited adventure

i still don't see what's make this video more amazing than the other video
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2011, 10:34:39 AM
new trailer

http://nintendoeverything.com/73789/
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 02:02:33 PM
Godfuckindammit. I'm not buying another Wii. Someone is lending me theirs or I'm living with them for a week.

Dolphin, mang.

You don't need a Wii or controller to use Dolphin?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2011, 02:03:21 PM
you need a wiimote
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: tiesto on September 13, 2011, 03:43:03 PM
Quote
- gain a new musical item that uses the MotionPlus to play

 :-\ nightmares of playing the pan flute in Spirit Tracks  :-\
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on September 13, 2011, 03:52:44 PM
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- gain a new musical item that uses the MotionPlus to play

 :-\ nightmares of playing the pan flute in Spirit Tracks  :-\

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml0AhCc6M6I[/youtube]
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Trent Dole on September 13, 2011, 03:56:24 PM
Uh, it's been known for ages that this game requires motion+. :miyamoto
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 13, 2011, 09:03:35 PM
This game is soooo ghibli its awesome.  I'm talking bout he way that lava spider walks, the scope of skyworld with sky whales, the cyoot little forest penguin things.  All of it.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on September 20, 2011, 03:38:40 AM
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/the_legend_of_zelda_skyward_sword/b/wii/archive/2011/09/16/exclusive-video-using-wii-motion-plus-in-skyward-sword.aspx
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 20, 2011, 09:05:01 AM
Wrath lil joker on your birthday huh :lol
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on September 20, 2011, 04:50:34 PM
I'm amazed that ZELDA of all games now has a loot system for upgrades.

:bow
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 20, 2011, 05:18:30 PM
Game loosk amazing
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Bildi on September 20, 2011, 11:30:25 PM
Just saw the package with the gold controller.

I had already decided I would pass on the game because it needs that dumb add-on but...ALL THAT GOLD.  I think I want it. :'(
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Bildi on September 20, 2011, 11:37:56 PM
Treasure Hunting:

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/the_legend_of_zelda_skyward_sword/b/wii/archive/2011/09/19/exclusive-video-treasure-hunting-in-skyward-swordeq23324d.aspx (http://www.gameinformer.com/games/the_legend_of_zelda_skyward_sword/b/wii/archive/2011/09/19/exclusive-video-treasure-hunting-in-skyward-swordeq23324d.aspx)

I notice the video ended just before you find 20 useless rupees. >:(

Just kidding - Zelda loot is pretty good on the whole, unlike Fable.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 21, 2011, 02:02:37 AM
Worthless rupees are fine, the shitty part about how TP handled them was:

a) giving that stupid "lol can't fit in your wallet!" message
b) having rupees be a major treasure in the overworld after having spent 10 minutes on an overworld puzzle.  Gimme a heart piece or something useful, niccas
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on September 21, 2011, 03:11:51 AM
It really looks like the most creative and different Zelda yet, I'm pretty excited!

Nope.

The first two dungeons are forest and fire, in that order.  :violin
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on September 21, 2011, 05:01:02 AM
Oh I forgot about Zelda fanboys whining about TP not being creative enough cause the dungeon order is the same as OOT.

Who honestly fucking cares as long as the dungeons themselves are designed right?

TP had arguably the best dungeons in the series.

Yet we all know how much that helped. :smug
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 21, 2011, 05:49:52 AM
TP is shit.

No game should make you play for 8+ hours to get any good.

I'm sorry if the rest of the game is amazing, if you have to spend a whole working day trying to get to anything good, the game is really not that good to begin with.

I can't believe you say the beginning of Gears 3 is slow but think Tp is good.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 21, 2011, 11:41:52 PM
arguably? tp has the BEST dungeons of the 3D zeldas by a country mile
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on September 21, 2011, 11:44:55 PM
I liked TP's intro once you learned the wii controls. *shrug*

I also didn't mind the light seeds.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: tiesto on September 22, 2011, 02:16:36 PM
TP's dungeons were amazing, aside from the Twilight Realm one, it seemed like they ran out of ideas at that point... It's a shame the game had such a slow start, it's still my favorite 3D Zelda.

Majora's Mask also had awesome dungeons, but there were too few of them!
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on September 22, 2011, 04:00:19 PM
arguably? tp has the BEST dungeons of the 3D zeldas by a country mile

If the dungeons are so well designed, then why is there still a master sword after the third one? :smug
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 22, 2011, 04:51:46 PM
oblivion is running out of clever things to say about zelda
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on September 22, 2011, 04:54:19 PM
He's trolling dude, that's so obvious.

In any case, I've always liked Zelda dungeons but my favorite parts of Zelda are always outside of the dungeons. This is why I like Majora's Mask so much, because you have puzzles outside the dungeon to solve, an adventure to conquer, a land to explore. It's not just about GO TO DUNGEON AND GET THIS KEY ITEM.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Raban on September 22, 2011, 06:54:21 PM
More like this game is being designed with those folks in mind, so they'll be fooled into buying, praising, and fooling other impressionable jerks into buying what is ultimately a pretty dull adventure game.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on September 22, 2011, 07:12:57 PM
rofl wrath
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Bildi on September 22, 2011, 11:05:47 PM
So what you're saying is that you'll love Skyward Sword.

So this Zelda is less about the dungeons and more about the overworld?  That'd be good for me - dungeons are cool and all, but I like the overworld more.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Trent Dole on September 22, 2011, 11:16:58 PM
I just fucking want to play it already.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on September 24, 2011, 02:40:21 PM
I like the item upgrade system (reminds me of LttP for some reason) but I don't know about the whole loot/collectathon/item synthesis. I'm sure it'll be fine though. Still hyped as hell, everything looks so frigging good.

I liked TP's intro once you learned the wii controls. *shrug*

I also didn't mind the light seeds.

I really didn't mind the Wii controls... except for when playing as a wolf. Never felt very good.

But the sword swings were decent, and the bow/clawshots were awesome with it.

I never felt the opening was very long either but I have a skewed sense of time when playing Zelda. I did get frustrated a couple times though, like sending the hawk into the cat a couple times. Some things weren't made clear enough.

TP's dungeons were amazing, aside from the Twilight Realm one, it seemed like they ran out of ideas at that point... It's a shame the game had such a slow start, it's still my favorite 3D Zelda.

Majora's Mask also had awesome dungeons, but there were too few of them!

That one and Hyrule Castle were kind of disappointments, which left a bad taste in my mouth when I finished the game because they were the last two in the game. I really wish there was more to Hyrule Castle in particular.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on September 25, 2011, 12:17:06 AM
Oh Andrex is back.

Well my only real complaints with TP was that the wolf was wasted and the beautiful overworld could have had more to do sidequest wise. Its still a fantastic game that shows who are the dumbfucks and who aren't when it comes to the Zelda fanbase(there's a shitton of them)

Pretty much exactly agree. Oh and the ruppee thing.

Only thing that still sort of annoys me is that it was never explained why Link turned into a wolf. Hylians turned into ghosts, Zelda and Ganon retained their forms, but Link turns into an animal... because...? Was probably going to be explained in an earlier version when there was supposedly a much bigger animal focus.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: MenopauseNinja on September 29, 2011, 02:52:05 PM
^Yo.

It's awesome to see a Zelda with the animation prowess of current Nintendo. The NPC's mouths though... uhhh.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: MenopauseNinja on September 29, 2011, 03:16:40 PM
Yep. They look like someone grafted a greek statue's lips on a bunch of cartoon characters.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on September 29, 2011, 04:26:07 PM
:bow I am not worthy. :bow2

:bow Miyamoto :bow2

:bow Aonuma :bow2

:piss Himuro :piss2
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on October 07, 2011, 10:57:06 AM
WW's intro was better but I doubt anything will ever be able to top that. This one is great though. Good music, and I love the style. Sets the tone very well.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: MCD on October 07, 2011, 11:08:41 AM
This is like...the first console Zelda that I will skip playing on launch day.

Might not even play it at all.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Raban on October 07, 2011, 11:09:57 AM
This is like...the first console Zelda that I will skip playing on launch day.

Might not even play it at all.

I didn't realize until I read this, but me too!
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on October 07, 2011, 02:42:57 PM
Dowsing looks terrible. Unless the player sucks, should it really take that long to do that shit?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on October 07, 2011, 03:54:15 PM
Hopefully the wiimote vibrates to let you know if you're getting close. wait, wiimote doesn't vibrate :(
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on October 07, 2011, 04:47:12 PM
I don't remember :( I've not played a wii game in 10 months
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Barry Egan on October 07, 2011, 08:27:48 PM
Dowsing looks terrible.

You said it, and James Randi agrees.

[youtube=560,345]xOsCnX-TKIY[/youtube]
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2011, 08:32:42 PM
I'm gonna say something, then I ain't gonna say no more

spoiler (click to show/hide)
this game looks amazing  :-[ :-\
[close]
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Damian79 on October 09, 2011, 04:09:44 AM
Damn it Wrathx i am interested in thsi game now.  Reference to Zelda 2 almost sold me on this game.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2011, 11:00:01 AM
Nintendo/Zelda team was reaaaally looking hard at MH3 when making this game, and it shows. It started when Iwata said they were looking at the graphics and trying to best that, but it's sort of bled into the game design a little too. One of the screens for the intro of Eldin Volcano really looks like an intro to a MH3 mission, and now we hear about this stats stuff and drop/loot/upgrade system.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2011, 02:28:24 PM
You're gonna miss out duder. It'll probably correct any problems that SS's innovations introduce and come out polished and amazing.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Trent Dole on October 09, 2011, 02:43:49 PM
Next console Zelda is probably 5 years away anyway.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 09, 2011, 02:45:14 PM
No nintendo will go out of business~
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on October 09, 2011, 05:31:32 PM
hahahah wiuu hahhahahaha
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on October 09, 2011, 05:33:04 PM
Next console Zelda is probably 5 years away anyway.

Pretty big reason why I'm not buying a Weeeeeooooooo

















WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[youtube=560,345]-N98oF4dw14[/youtube]
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 09, 2011, 05:37:25 PM
Is the motion+ addon coming bundled with this?
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Post by: Trent Dole on October 09, 2011, 07:37:46 PM
No nintendo will go out of business~
Aww but then all us N brats won't be able to taunt the Sega kids anymore! :violin
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on October 09, 2011, 08:58:41 PM
I still can't get over how horrendously underhyped this game is. It's pretty surreal.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: tiesto on October 12, 2011, 09:06:42 AM
Next console Zelda is probably 5 years away anyway.

Pretty big reason why I'm not buying a Weeeeeooooooo

















WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They instead should make the "Wii-aboo" and have nothing out on it but Prole Panty Patrol-esque loli animu uguu RPGs. I'd buy that shit in a heartbeat :uguu
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Sho Nuff on October 12, 2011, 12:01:05 PM
What is a Wii

No idea, guess I'm not playing this game
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 14, 2011, 03:26:41 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/rKCfk.png)

 :lol :lol

I'd buy that.
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Post by: Himu on October 14, 2011, 04:46:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/rKCfk.png)

 :lol :lol

Fuck yes.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2011, 04:51:00 PM
This game is beautiful. Lake Hylia :o
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 14, 2011, 06:24:21 PM
This game is beautiful. Lake Hylia :o

Floria, dumb dumb
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Post by: Himu on October 14, 2011, 06:28:43 PM
You can't see the full name on embedded video titles, dumb dumb.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: cool breeze on October 18, 2011, 10:54:31 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/10/18/the-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword-was-originally-planned-with-button-controls/

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Aonuma then told design leader Ryuji Kobayashi the game’s direction is going to change to support Wii MotionPlus. Kobayashi, unaware of Aonuma’s plan, was finalizing the basic battle controls with buttons.

dude...
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on October 19, 2011, 07:58:08 PM
I still can't get over the fact that we have a main line Zelda being directed by a dude that's only been with Nintendo for a few years. I'd be pissed if I was working on the series for like 20 years and got set aside for some noob.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on October 20, 2011, 12:30:41 AM
I still can't get over the fact that we have a main line Zelda being directed by a dude that's only been with Nintendo for a few years. I'd be pissed if I was working on the series for like 20 years and got set aside for some noob.

Who's the director for this? I thought Miyamoto and Aonuma were just producers.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Raban on October 20, 2011, 12:46:22 AM
And Spirit Tracks! Don't forget Spirit Tracks!
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: cool breeze on October 20, 2011, 12:57:01 AM
I thought it's the guy who directed Minish Cap and the Oracle games

edit: Hidemaro Fujibayashi?

only sub-director on Phantom Hourglass.  director on the oracle games and minish cap.

Director of Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks was Daiki Iwamoto. 
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 20, 2011, 09:04:24 AM
I still can't get over the fact that we have a main line Zelda being directed by a dude that's only been with Nintendo for a few years. I'd be pissed if I was working on the series for like 20 years and got set aside for some noob.

I wouldn't be surprised if Auonoma is sick to death of the franchise.  Shockingalberto on GAF put up a damning before and after pic of the dude and he has aged terribly within the past decade, possibly due to stress.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on October 20, 2011, 02:38:13 PM
Eh, Koizumi wanted to switch and do Zelda and have Aonuma do Mario but Aonuma shot it down, he can't be too tired of the series.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on October 20, 2011, 05:20:00 PM
Aonuma possibly being tired of the series and wanting someone else to handle it isn't what's surprising. It's the fact that he and Miyamoto let a (relatively speaking) Zelda novice handle their next big main line console game. I'd imagine some of the other Zelda veterans who have probably worked on the series since LttP would be none too happy being overlooked.

And Aonuma doing Mario would of course have been a non-starter. He's been on the record several times saying that he doesn't like Mario games (not to mention he's never worked on one). But I do agree that I would have liked to see Koizumi return to the series.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on October 20, 2011, 05:47:17 PM
Supposedly Edge has given the game a 10.  :o
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on October 20, 2011, 06:09:30 PM
So I've heard, but they also gave Grand Theft Auto IV, Super Mario Galaxy and Halo 3 a 10. So who cares?

One of those is unlike the others, SIR.  :maf
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 20, 2011, 06:38:06 PM
I do know that Edge's 10s towards Nintendo games are pretty well written and belong to the games you'd think deserve them.  OoT and the Galaxies.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on October 20, 2011, 06:44:58 PM
so nfagginess trumps waggles in the top trumps of reviewing
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 20, 2011, 06:56:10 PM
Edge is still pretty good when it comes to this kind of stuff.  The GTA IV stuff...yeah, I don't know.  I never played the game, nor did I ever want to, so it's not skin off of my nose.  Most of the other ones are fine with me.  Even Halo 3, which actually is pretty awesome.

And what the fuck are you talking about magus
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on October 20, 2011, 07:02:34 PM
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=36615.msg1335933#msg1335933

i should raise a betting stand
QUICK QUICK,REVIEW SITE AND VOTE,I'M ACCEPTING ANY BETS
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 20, 2011, 07:06:57 PM
your broken grammar and overall fuckwadery has made you truly incomprehensible
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on October 20, 2011, 07:20:21 PM
your broken grammar and overall fuckwadery has made you truly incomprehensible

10 pages ago we were discussing if the game would have been slandered because of waggle controls,so now that the game is getting a 10 from edge,i guess it's not going to be

so now the question is! does ign gives it an 8 and complains about waggle as being the most horrible thing ever or does it give a 10 and calls it the greatest zelda game ever until a new zelda games comes out?

BETS ARE OPEN PEOPLE!
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on October 20, 2011, 07:30:23 PM
BrandNew's out in force now that a Zelda Nintendo game is on the horizon
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Vizzys on October 20, 2011, 07:37:00 PM
9.9
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 20, 2011, 07:39:56 PM
BrandNew's out in force now that a Zelda Nintendo game is on the horizon

damn straight yo
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on October 20, 2011, 07:47:12 PM
9.9

here you go

(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1817/ticketu.jpg)
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Trent Dole on October 20, 2011, 08:35:48 PM
I think its time to stop my senseless trolling when it comes to Galaxy, cause I love that game.

Either way I don't trust non Giantbomb reviews anymore, GTA IV's scoring made me lose what little respect I had in gaming "journalism" or even the gaming community.
I don't even fully trust them. Shit on CV HD will you? :gun
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 20, 2011, 09:03:20 PM
Wasn't Aounoma just some grunt dungeon designer on Ocarina before he got to be boss on Majora's mask?  I don't see a problem with handing the reigns off to people who have good ideas for a franchise.  The brass at Nintendo is getting old and SOMEONE  gotta replace Miyamoto when his eccentric hobbies stop making bankable projects.

If anything I'm just concerned the new blood is going to try inappropriate shit.  Koizumi wants story in mario games of all things.  Sakurai is approaching nomura levels of lame lamer with the stuff I'm seeing from Kid Icarus.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 20, 2011, 09:10:20 PM
oh, and Giantbomb is shit for reviews.  You got Gerstmann giving glowing praise to piss poor gameplay because of 'compelling narrative', or Shoemaker excusing dreck like Other M for similar narrative trapping.  Most of those guys have a delusion of eloquence they associate with the hobby.  Ryan Davis, I trust though.  He actually ventures out into the non blockbuster stuff and can tell whether or not something is good on genuine merit.  I'm just afraid he's gonna eat himself to death by his forties.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 20, 2011, 10:10:46 PM
Yeah Giantbomb is horrible.  Don't know why so many people like them.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: cool breeze on October 20, 2011, 11:17:03 PM
so, I don't know if I'm thick for missing it before or for making the comparison, but some things in Skyward Sword really remind me of Avatar.  I had it playing in the background while doing some chores and the scene where the guy does that thing with the flying thing happens, and I'm like, this is Skyward Sword.  Students lining up to ride flying creatures as a test, the flying creatures in general, the floating land masses.  It's like Phantom Hourglass and Pirates of the Caribbean.


and speaking of nintendo things, Kirby wii is coming out in like three days.  it looks pretty good!
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on October 20, 2011, 11:26:28 PM
Aonuma possibly being tired of the series and wanting someone else to handle it isn't what's surprising. It's the fact that he and Miyamoto let a (relatively speaking) Zelda novice handle their next big main line console game. I'd imagine some of the other Zelda veterans who have probably worked on the series since LttP would be none too happy being overlooked.

Hrm, well, unless I'm miscounting here, Eiji Aonuma is the *only* person who has directed as many Zelda games as Fujibayashi (yes, this means with Skyward Sword, Fujibayashi has directed more Zelda games than *anyone*), and they've both directed the same number of Zelda games: 4.  Fujibayashi has held a major role in the series since 2001, and the games he's directed have all been major sales successes for Nintendo.  Granted, he hasn't been on the series since LttP or anything, but I think it's far more reasonable to hand it to him than a random artist or level designer simply because they've been hanging out longer.

Hmm...okay, when you put it that way it doesn't sound that unreasonable, I guess. And thinking about it, you're also probably right that Aonuma being in charge of Zelda was probably less warranted in a way than this dude.


Great, I built up all this outrage and now I have nothing to use it on. Wtf, Oscar?  :maf
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on October 21, 2011, 03:31:51 AM
I mean, for all the hand-wringing Oblivion is doing here on behalf of the staff who have been with the series for a long time, Aonuma was a lot more of a kick in the balls for any grunts hanging around hoping for promotion.  Miyamoto liked one low-key game the guy did and then basically brought him in and immediately started grooming him to take over the series.  That was far more shocking than giving a shot at a console title to the guy who has done all of the portable Zelda games except the first one, and the most recent one (which failed).

I also don't think it's that big of a deal because I trust Miyamoto's judgment. If somebody on the Zelda team prior to Aonuma was capable of directing the franchise to Miyamoto's standards, Miyamoto would have given him the reigns. But there wasn't, and thus Aonuma.

Koizumi has hopefully learned his lesson with regards to putting too much story in a Mario game, and will keep it to Mario Galaxy levels at a maximum in the future, but aside from that?  In my opinion, the guy out-Miyamoto'd Miyamoto with regards to 3D Mario, and I have no doubt he'll do fine in the future.

Agreed here. SMG was more Mario than Sunshine or 64 IMO.

As for what Masahiro Sakurai is doing with Kid Icarus, the IP is all but a blank slate, with just one (fucking awful) game to its mythos.

Well two really, including the GB game that no one bought.

I don't want to turn this into a debate since I agree with you for the most part, but there wasn't anything wrong with Kid Icarus. The controls were good, the difficulty was just right, it had great graphics and music, and some neat gameplay ideas. It deserved a Super Metroid-like sequel to expand on it, IMO.

I honestly think it will be good in the long run for Nintendo when Miyamoto retires.  He's done a good job grooming and choosing new employees, but I think on the whole, as a creative force, the entire company is very much constrained by what Miyamoto thinks is best.  It never used to be that way, and I think it has really narrowed Nintendo's output since the situation came about.

Agreed but I'm more cautious about it... I think Nintendo might lose something when Miyamoto leaves, same as Apple and Jobs. Miyamoto has done a much better job grooming the next generation (who in reality are still like 40/50 years old) than Jobs, but Miyamoto (and Gunpei, but he's been gone for a while) made Nintendo what it is today. (Yamauchi gets credit for wisely not interfering with either of them, and being a shrewd business guy of course.) But between Wii Music and the DKCR roll thing, my previously-unwavering faith in his judgment is in fact wavering slightly. I still think when he gets hands-on with one of his babies it's a great thing for the game, as he knows when to cut the bullshit and he does have unbelievable game design insight, but his own original ideas or tips for distant teams he's not really involved in might not be perfectly up to snuff.

So who knows. We'll find out eventually of course, what happens to a Nintendo without Miyamoto.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: The Sceneman on October 21, 2011, 06:33:43 AM
I think its time to stop my senseless trolling when it comes to Galaxy, cause I love that game.

Either way I don't trust non Giantbomb reviews anymore, GTA IV's scoring made me lose what little respect I had in gaming "journalism" or even the gaming community.
I don't even fully trust them. Shit on CV HD will you? :gun

best game ever :bow
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on October 21, 2011, 06:00:37 PM
New trailer yo

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i58tq1D_Ucg[/youtube]

I was expecting Song of the Goddess to start at any moment. First time watching it all seemed to clash, but subsequent watches make me more excited...
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Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2011, 12:03:54 AM
What? The media that they had for TP was far more than for SS. Hell, WW probably had more media as well.



Also, Edge's score confirmed:

http://www.next-gen.biz/reviews/legend-zelda-skyward-sword-review
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2011, 12:25:56 AM
http://www.next-gen.biz/reviews/legend-zelda-skyward-sword-review

:omg
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2011, 01:12:51 AM
Do what I do: take out out on himuchan.

 :'(
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2011, 01:44:24 AM
hmmmm
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Post by: Tasty on October 22, 2011, 01:55:14 AM
What's with Nintendo? The number of media out for this game is probably the highest they ever did.

Lol.

How quickly people change their tune. :P
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on October 22, 2011, 01:58:51 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDz2xlC7gu8
[/youtube]

Yet another new trailer.

Holy spoilers.

Well that's the last trailer I'm watching for this game.  :-\
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Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2011, 03:42:44 AM
What a strange trailer.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on October 24, 2011, 07:11:58 PM
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Before a sword even enters his hands we've met a uniquely athletic Link... Regions built around volcano ascents and sucking quicksand help rediscover a platforming challenge diminished in Zelda since the addition of the auto-jump.

Nintendo has been so busy elaborating on Ocarina's heroic ideal that it's forgotten to embrace it for itself. So what better way to honour 25 years of bravery than courageously striving for something new? And what opportune hardware to cut those ties? After all, hasn't the Wii hardware spent the past five years searching for the hero inside itself? Firstparty experiments have tested Wii's boundaries, deducing what does and doesn't work. Their findings resonate throughout Skyward Sword. In Wii Sports-powered bomb bowling. In skydiving and swordplay learnt on a Wuhu holiday. In the surreal beauty and orchestrated bombast beamed down from Super Mario Galaxy. In the metallic Metroid chu-chunk of a door lock. Even the opinion-dividing Wii Music is vindicated in subtle moments of auto-tuning cleverness. How apt that this ultimate tale of hero-making should see Nintendo's hardware become the console it was always meant to be.

WII MUSIC VINDICATED

(http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/217518540_JnMdY-L-2.jpg)
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Post by: Barry Egan on October 24, 2011, 07:28:00 PM
Magus I know we don't often cross paths but I just want to point out that I honestly have no idea what point you're trying to get across half the time.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on October 24, 2011, 07:58:45 PM
Magus I know we don't often cross paths but I just want to point out that I honestly have no idea what point you're trying to get across half the time.

every big AAA release is always THE GREATEST GAME EVER,perfect in every way with review that seems to be written on the whole point that the game exist and that you should go out and get it right this instant

zelda is still a month away and on the edge site there is a big ad "GUYS THE GAME YOU THINK IT'S SO AWESOME,IT'S REALLY SO AWESOME,GO BUY OUR MAGAZINE AS SOON AS YOU CAN!"

some of that tiny chunk of review is really moronic,wii music is vindicated because this game features autotuning? what the fuck...? i tought we even forgot about that piece of crap but here i am reading about it in a context that makes no sense at all only because this guy want to tell me how magnificent it's zelda and it's just a single paragraph!

i mean does this happen with movie? does roger ebert gets to see the dark knight rises a month before and then tells everybody "5/5 THE GREATEST MOVIE I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE!"

-> what a videogame reviewer sounds like

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2mZbTCqF2s[/youtube]

i'm sorry guys,everytime i get so annoyed about it and i end up annoying you guys in the process,i guess i should just shut up,roll my eyes and play the fucking game

EDIT: just to hammer the concept

(http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/CozMick-GAF/U3.png)
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 24, 2011, 08:21:54 PM
what the christ does that post even mean
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Post by: Barry Egan on October 24, 2011, 08:25:54 PM
Maybe the new Zelda is just really good though.  Ebert hyperbolizes over plenty of stuff.
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Post by: magus on October 25, 2011, 04:09:37 AM
Maybe the new Zelda is just really good though.  Ebert hyperbolizes over plenty of stuff.

i have an hard time believing that batman AC,dark souls,uncharted 3 (especialy uncharted 3),zelda and heck,let's just preventively throw skyrim in the mix are all "just really good"

oh and i was almost forgetting all the game of shooter season 2011 like gears of war 3

you guy just see me in this thread because i do actualy give a fuck about zelda unlike the rest

Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on October 25, 2011, 07:06:51 AM
Edge's review's up:

http://www.next-gen.biz/reviews/legend-zelda-skyward-sword-review

I think that's a slightly poorly written article. At least for Edge. They're usually much better.
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Post by: magus on October 25, 2011, 07:07:28 AM
Why do you have trouble believing the best games of the season are really good?  I mean, they're not all to my tastes and I'm sure they're not all to yours, but is it really that hard to concede they're all pretty freaking great games in their respective series/genres?

well let me put it in this way,do you have any idea from that small paragraph why the reviewer tought the game was so good? i absolutely have no idea,instead i see a disgusting amount of hyperbole

IT'S THE GAME THE WII HAS BEEN WAITING FOR 5 YEARS,turns out i have been playing shit on my wii since 2006

actualy pardon that still doesn't describe how stupid it sounds

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hasn't the Wii hardware spent the past five years searching for the hero inside itself?

if these guys had the same skill into writing poetry we might be seeing a new renaissance might i say
according to ign the story of uncharted 3 isn't just "good" it's "touching" and "blew away" the reviewer do we seriously believe that shit?

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Jesus, I'm telling someone to be less pissed off at the world.  That's how you know you have a problem, Magoose.  This is the drunk that rolled out of the dumpster holding a brown bag full of wild turkey telling you that you have a drinking problem.

ehy i dare you to find someone who was never pissed at videogames for a reason or another!

EDIT:

this is wii sports review
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The Swordplay Showdown mode is a singleplayer romp through tens of opponents, an energetic and magnificent extended battle, with one fairly big problem: the MotionPlus frequently loses its position. The device is somewhat self-righting, gradually sorting itself out over time, but you’ll often find yourself stopping to recalibrate the accessory. The fact that this begins automatically when the game is paused, along with the reminders that pop up telling you to do so, tells its own story.

this is the zelda review just posted
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In the wake of the one-to-one tomfoolery, limiting actual cuts to eight compass points may sound robotic. In action, it is nothing short of revelatory. MotionPlus ably registers your play-acting – its unfaltering fidelity never once let us down – which Skyward Sword translates into the clean strikes you imagine.

so i have to guess that either

1. in 2 years nintendo was able to fix every motion plus problem and now the motion plus works perfectly
2. one of these 2 article's wasn't written under the fumes of ZELDAZELDAZELDAZELDAZELDA

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The victories are ours in a way they could never be with a traditional controller.

Wii Sports = you just waggle! the player that waggle the hardest win!
Zelda = THE VICTORIES ARE OURS IN A WAY THEY COULD NEVER BE WITH A TRADITIONAL CONTROLLER!
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 25, 2011, 08:37:46 AM
I always scroll past magus posts, I'm sorry
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Post by: Barry Egan on October 25, 2011, 10:03:23 AM
vociferous laudations are vociferous. 
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Post by: maxy on October 25, 2011, 10:05:30 AM
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i have an hard time believing that batman AC,dark souls,uncharted 3 (especialy uncharted 3),zelda and heck,let's just preventively throw skyrim in the mix are all "just really good"

oh and i was almost forgetting all the game of shooter season 2011 like gears of war 3

why?seems pretty simple to me

All those games are sequels to good games and this gen is coming to an end,meaning that devs fully understand the hardware,production pipelines are at maximum and they have a good ground to build upon---none of those games deviate too much from the tested formula.

frankly,if those games are not good then fuck this lame industry

As for reviews,you can't beat the hype machine,no point in getting upset over that.Play the game and forget about this money driven business.


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Post by: magus on October 25, 2011, 10:15:14 AM
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All those games are sequels to good games and this gen is coming to an end

oh wait wait wait,i'm not saying that i don't believe that these game are good,i say i don't believe that they are la creme de la creme,that they are THAT good

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As for reviews,you can't beat the hype machine,no point in getting upset over that.

i know but it still make me pissed each time,i can't help it

Magoose, as it turns out, Edge is a magazine that has to sell to people.  As such, they tend to embellish their writing somewhat to make it more interesting to read.  I'm sure Magoose Moneyless Merriment Monthly would absolutely destroy Edge in sales with its pithy reviews in the form of "this game is good, but it could be more good, but it's still good" and "the graphics look good, but the sound does not sound as good", so by all means, go get 'em, tigoose.

ehy what you describe it's the treatment,a B (C?) rate game like kirby gets on IGN

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In terms of graphics and sound, don't get too excited. By and large, Return to Dreamland features very basic artistic design and complexity. That does make a considerable amount of sense considering the title first started development on the GameCube. By Wii standards, however, there isn't much here that will impress you.

no touching story or triumphs here,game got a 7.5 for comparison kirby epic yarn,the long awaited return of kirby on console got a 9.0
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Post by: Raban on October 25, 2011, 10:46:42 AM
out of sheer curiosity - what games would you say are the "creme de la creme" of this gen, that these titles would have to beat or at least hang tough with?

smh
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 25, 2011, 11:19:47 AM
out of sheer curiosity - what games would you say are the "creme de la creme" of this gen, that these titles would have to beat or at least hang tough with?

10:1 magus lists some obscure Japanese game.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Raban on October 25, 2011, 11:22:53 AM
if i wanted any comeback from you, i'd scrape it off the back of your throat, raban

Just where does that animosity come from?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 25, 2011, 11:24:51 AM
if i wanted any comeback from you, i'd scrape it off the back of your throat, raban

lmfao
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Post by: Himu on October 25, 2011, 11:34:36 AM
rofl @ this page
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Post by: magus on October 25, 2011, 11:49:21 AM
out of sheer curiosity - what games would you say are the "creme de la creme" of this gen, that these titles would have to beat or at least hang tough with?

the best sandbox game i played on 360 is just cause 2,it still sits below grand theft auto 4 and at least 3 different kind of shooters :fbm
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Raban on October 25, 2011, 11:50:05 AM
edit: nvm

edit 2: If what you're complaining about is how uninformative reviews can be when they're praising a game, I totally understand. But it's actually a bit difficult to write about a game you like without it sounding like a love letter in some respect. They could do a better job, especially for people that get paid to do it.

However, these games don't get high scores without reason. They usually have an incredible amount of polish, or at least a bar of quality reached across all areas of the game. So, maybe not all of GTAIV's parts are the best this gen, but each element of the game reaches a certain standard and as a whole it's an impressive feat. Just Cause 2 is much more focused, and that's good too but it has the potential to limit the appeal of the game, and often does.

I know it's hard for you to understand magus, but nobody in video games cares about what you care about. Get used to it, and be thankful when we are fed the scraps. That, or start enjoying the mainstream stuff.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Raban on October 25, 2011, 11:54:29 AM
:lol
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Raban on October 25, 2011, 12:16:02 PM
sometimes
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on October 25, 2011, 12:25:42 PM
I know it's hard for you to understand magus, but nobody in video games cares about what you care about. Get used to it, and be thankful when we are fed the scraps. That, or start enjoying the mainstream stuff.

i play fucking jrpg,of course i know that :lol

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I totally understand. But it's actually a bit difficult to write about a game you like without it sounding like a love letter in some respect.

if the motion+ goes occasionaly out of sync and sometimes just act weird,the reviewer can and should tell me either if the game is called wii casual wagglefest sports resort or zelda:the holy ipsword,these guys are supposed to be critic and most of the time they sound like a gamefaq user

after twilight princess i'll be surprised if this game doesn't feature a boring ass hour long intro where link doesn't have to herd some bird or send some mail but if it does,trust me that no review will make mention of it
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Raban on October 25, 2011, 12:30:09 PM
Well, if you're waiting for good, detailed impressions on Skyward Sword, you'll likely have to wait until the game actually comes out.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 25, 2011, 02:36:05 PM
Soooo, guys....

I like when link's sword goes swoosh swoosh
(http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/png/misc-herp-derp.png)
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on October 25, 2011, 03:20:44 PM
ahahahahah i'm sorry i kinda ended up hijacking the thread it wasn't my intention

i promise i'm done :-[
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Barry Egan on October 25, 2011, 04:36:19 PM
it's kind of like when you're riding the subway and you're just chillin and a homeless steps in and starts ranting and raving about homeless guy problems.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 26, 2011, 12:39:42 AM
I'm starting to think Magus is a forever alone duder with no job who literally has nothing to think about other than his collec... horde of pirated games.  His heart yearns for attention and he generates forum drama to get it.

Unless you're a super uggo monster dude, I'd suggest getting out of your cave and start being more apathetic about games.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on October 26, 2011, 05:11:15 AM
it was never my intention to generate any drama,the thing just snowballed in it's own,no reason to take so many cheapshot at poor me :fbm
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Bildi on October 26, 2011, 08:38:55 AM
Anyone else weeabo out and buy that stupid gold controller package?

:-[
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: tiesto on October 26, 2011, 09:15:44 AM
I'm starting to think Magus is a forever alone duder with no job who literally has nothing to think about other than his collec... horde of pirated games.  His heart yearns for attention and he generates forum drama to get it.

Unless you're a super uggo monster dude, I'd suggest getting out of your cave and start being more apathetic about games.

If you mostly prefer Japanese games, I can't understand anybody who is anything BUT apathetic towards games. This gen destroyed what little love I had for the industry after the death of the DC.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on October 26, 2011, 09:51:36 AM
stop your snuffling you fucking mary and start kicking people in the groin  :maf

YESSIR! :o

:punch :punch :punch :punch

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If you mostly prefer Japanese games, I can't understand anybody who is anything BUT apathetic towards games. This gen destroyed what little love I had for the industry after the death of the DC.

currently i see the 3DS as a weeabootastic oasis,if it ever gets his shit done that's it
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: maxy on October 26, 2011, 12:54:50 PM
GamesTM score = 9/10
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on October 28, 2011, 04:43:09 AM
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-origins-zelda-skyward/723206

New trailer. :hyper
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on October 28, 2011, 06:50:03 PM
apparently a new german review gave a lot of details,i'm putting this in spoiler for you sissy who are all like "OMG SPOILER" this and "OMG SPOILER" that

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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- Skyward Sword taking place before Ocarina of Time is confirmed late in the game
- Link wakes up after hearing a strange voice say,"The time has come for you, the chosen one. Awaken!"
- the receiving of the Skyward Sword is mimicked exactly through the player's movements
- Skyloft and the Earth Realm are separated through a holy seal that you and your loftwing can't break
- the goddess creates a portal, a green glowing pillar of light to link the two worlds
- the first place you travel to below the clouds is the Seal Grove
- Link can carry a back-up shield incase one breaks
- Link also keeps an item stash in Skyloft
- The blacksmith will repair your shield for 10 rupees
- in this German review, locations like the Cave Sanctuary and Vulcan Temple are mentioned, but these may just be different names for temples we know of
- the beetle can be upgraded with a grappling arm that allows you to use the "Thorn plant" (bomb)
- you can drop thorn plant bombs onto enemies or into cups to activate mechinisms
- Earth Realm is divided into three main parts
- these are not connected areas, but separate parts of the map
- visit Bamboo Island to break the record in bamboo slashing
- deliver hot soup to a swordmaster in a race against the clock
- travel across the whole world looking for "Jewels of Compassion" (crystallized human gratitude) to help a demon with his transformation into a human
- after about 15 hours, all three areas should be cleared
- That's when the plot takes a serious twist that isn't revealed
- second half of the game has you looking for three "Divine Flames" to forge your sword
- explore a second, previously unreachable area in each of the three main areas, thanks to the harp
- this also gives you access to a test in each of the areas
- sneak through a location like in Phantom Hourglass
- collect tears in the soul jar
- complete the test to grab a scale of the water dragon, whichgives you access to the new part of the area
- this allows you to visit Lake Floria in the Faron Woods
- these tests mean retracting steps through several dungeons
- the divine water dragon Faron will give you access to the 4th temple if you give him a bottle of holy water first
- this involves another trip to the Skyview Temple, where different puzzles and new enemies are waiting for you
- dialog options don't seem to really change what happens in the story
- spot pedestrians in Skyloft or the creatures of the Earth Realm (like the wood dwellers known as the Kikwi) that have information relevant to the plot by the thought bubbles over their heads
- the Tower of Light at Skyloft lets you view the whole town
- the reviewer finished up in about 40 hours
[close]

this part here kinda makes me worried

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- sneak through a location like in Phantom Hourglass
- collect tears in the soul jar

are they really adding the worst bit of phantom hourglass to the worst bit of twilight princess? cause that's some pretty major fuckup
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Damian79 on October 28, 2011, 07:08:06 PM
Game informer are sayign that is one of the best bits in the game apparently.  It's in the latter half of the video.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/09/23/discussing-skyward-sword-a-video-preview.aspx
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 28, 2011, 07:49:32 PM
There's video of the stealth section.  It looks pretty neat actually.  When an enemy spots you the level goes all Silent Hill.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on October 28, 2011, 08:35:19 PM
Stealth sections are always the worst parts in all Zeldas, but this one shouldn't be AS terrible since, although you can't fight back, you can at least run away.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 29, 2011, 12:54:17 AM
The Temple of the Ocean King was awesome and was in fact the only good part of Phantom Hourglass. But we've been over this before.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on October 31, 2011, 03:59:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4R9gCpF3cQ&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 31, 2011, 04:19:38 PM
did the game leak?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on October 31, 2011, 04:57:51 PM
nope but actualy it wouldn't surprise me in the slighest if it leaks this week or the next if video like that are already on youtube
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 31, 2011, 06:46:21 PM
Yay.  I'd like to be able to play it before my holiday break so I can play some Skyrim during holidays.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Barry Egan on November 01, 2011, 08:46:33 PM
Yea I'd make my shitty kid sit and watch me play too.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2011, 09:36:42 PM
Hogging videogames from small children? Looks like an accurate ad for Ntards, dunno why they're so butthurt
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 01, 2011, 10:00:26 PM
Nintendo fans love Link more than their own children - seems so.

"It's time to pass the torch to the next generation... just kidding. Don't worry, you'll never have to let go of that torch."
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Trent Dole on November 02, 2011, 03:24:37 PM
Nintendo fans love Link more than their own children - seems so.

"It's time to pass the torch to the next generation... just kidding. Don't worry, you'll never have to let go of that torch."
Kids are annoying, Rinku is sugoi!  :derp
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Third on November 02, 2011, 03:48:09 PM
Can't wait to play this game.

I'm still mad that I'll have to buy a M+ sensor, though. Fucking jewtendo.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: pilonv1 on November 02, 2011, 08:55:56 PM
I cannot fathom that advertisement is real.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 03, 2011, 12:10:35 AM
If its longer than 30 seconds it aint an ad.   More like promotional material for a website.  The real ad will be some early 20s dude slashing his way through a cg hyrule with the motionplus wiimote.  Book it.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 03, 2011, 05:38:45 AM
buy the version of the game that comes with it for the extra ten bucks

what are you, poor?  like magoose?  are you poor like magoose?  you can tell us if you're poor like magoose.  we won't ostracize you.

i own a motion+ guys and had no trouble buying one :smug
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 04, 2011, 08:40:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wap9bLn-Jhk
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: iconoclast on November 04, 2011, 10:04:58 AM
The thing about the motion+ is that this is literally the only game worth playing that requires one. I'll still buy it after the game's confirmed to work perfectly on Dolphin tho.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 04, 2011, 11:48:07 AM
The thing about the motion+ is that this is literally the only game worth playing that requires one. I'll still buy it after the game's confirmed to work perfectly on Dolphin tho.

i had a lot of fun with wii sports resort but i seems to be one of the few as most people were like "HURR DURR WAGGLE IS STUPID"
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Damian79 on November 06, 2011, 05:14:38 AM
Casey Baker:  From Destructoid.

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SO SO EXCITED...I was skeptical about this new Zelda after Twilight Princess left me wanting...but no, this is Zelda as we want it, familiar yet revolutinary..

Oh man i am gettign hyped.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2011, 05:35:27 AM
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/preview-zelda-skyward/723596 (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/preview-zelda-skyward/723596)

Awesome preview at GT

holy fuck and this comes out just days after Saints Row The Third
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 07, 2011, 07:44:37 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/patrickklepek/status/133306622746443777

http://twitter.com/#!/stephentotilo/status/133364684559626240

ruh roh
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: tiesto on November 07, 2011, 09:18:49 AM
Yeah, I watched my friend and some chick* play the bird sequence at Comic-con... it looked horribly frustrating, I hated the bird waggle stages in Galaxy 2 and this looks more of the same. At first I thought the Wii was gonna be interesting, but now I absolutely detest any form of non-traditional controls in gaming.

*sadly I didn't get her # :(
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Third on November 07, 2011, 10:29:38 AM
Zelda fans are definitely the worst. Uncharted fans don't sent death threats to a reviewer...

Can't wait for the first negative SS review. It will be lovely.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on November 07, 2011, 11:24:45 AM
From my perspective I'm pretty sure most Nintendo fans are just demoralized at this point. Wii's in the crapper, 3DS is getting better but still not hitting that Ninty G-spot... Bad scene man.

I'm sure there will be some freakouts but most of us just want to play the damn game, it's literally all we have atm.

Edit- Also agree with Oscar that basically nothing is riding on this game whereas it felt like everything was riding on TP. I also feel like most people I've seen posting in the Zelda thread either don't care about reviewers at all, or care enough about them to take their complaints to heart. For instance, I'm worried (and have been worried) about the bird flapping. I don't see how it could be worse than the other forms of transportation, but I'm not ruling it out.

I'm also still a bit apprehensive of the overworld design, being split and all. But I'm excited for it too.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 07, 2011, 11:32:55 AM
my motion dick is the biggest of all :smug
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on November 07, 2011, 12:04:22 PM
get a real console you hippie

Well I am planning on building a PC soon... maybe... If the bank heist goes according to plan.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Third on November 07, 2011, 12:07:10 PM
While the U3 review thread is bigger, the 8.8 Zelda TP thread was more concentrated retardness.

The reactions towards the U3 thread are overblown. Most of it was sarcastic banter. Zelda fans get very personal with their reactions. I remember gamefaqs being a total mess at that time.
With Uncharted 3 it was pretty tame, really.

Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 07, 2011, 12:17:57 PM
I still get kinda pissy about people bitching about waggle, but then again I haven't held a traditional pad thingy for years and it just feels weird now trying to use a dualshock/classicon and -yes- even the 3ds.

Within our ranks we definitely still have those few who haven't learned to separate their egos from their toys.  Personally, I see so many legit wii games get terrible scores while mediocre wank like Silent Hill: Shattered Memories and No More Heroes get accolades for... stories? characters?  Whatever.  The only value of reviews isn't validation but looking for certain implementation of features I wanted.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 07, 2011, 12:22:33 PM
And 8.8 is waaay to high.  Regarding 5 as average I would've put TP at a 4-6 range based on the 6ish hours I played.  Then again my enthusiasm for TP dwindled incredibly fast (like, the same day it was announced)
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Post by: Tasty on November 07, 2011, 12:30:21 PM
Considering you played like 2% of the game, I would probably call that assessment unfair at best.

Was TP everything we though it'd be? Everything it was promised to be? No.

Is it still a sterling example of 30+-hour long single player action adventure gaming? Yes.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Third on November 07, 2011, 12:33:26 PM
I dunno, oscar. Sony's cock delivers. Nintendo's is quite limp these days.

I still get kinda pissy about people bitching about waggle, but then again I haven't held a traditional pad thingy for years and it just feels weird now trying to use a dualshock/classicon and -yes- even the 3ds.

Seriously? The tech for full-time waggling isn't there yet. It's still not precise enough.

I was so glad I could play Xenoblade with a classic controller.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Third on November 07, 2011, 12:44:06 PM
:teehee

I do all cocks. Excpect the MS one  :yuck

The last time I turned the X360 on was a month ago. And that was by accident. Haven't played the X360 for almost a year now.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 07, 2011, 12:48:50 PM
Considering you played like 2% of the game, I would probably call that assessment unfair at best.

Was TP everything we though it'd be? Everything it was promised to be? No.

Is it still a sterling example of 30+-hour long single player action adventure gaming? Yes.

I kinda don't care.  It was boring.  If a game is unenjoyable for numerous hours I give up on, no regrets.  If I wanna play a good 3d zelda these days its either Metroid Prime :teehee or Majora's Mask.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 07, 2011, 12:55:36 PM
if i want to play a good 3d zelda

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wQZcwK4h3o

uh? uh?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 07, 2011, 01:01:28 PM
I dunno, oscar. Sony's cock delivers. Nintendo's is quite limp these days.

I still get kinda pissy about people bitching about waggle, but then again I haven't held a traditional pad thingy for years and it just feels weird now trying to use a dualshock/classicon and -yes- even the 3ds.

Seriously? The tech for full-time waggling isn't there yet. It's still not precise enough.

I was so glad I could play Xenoblade with a classic controller.
Its not just waggle.  The nunchuck setup is very comfortable in general.  Only issue is certain genres aren't serviced well with the lack of buttons.

emcee has such bizarre notions of what a good game ought to contain i don't know why anyone would waste their breath trying to see eye to eye with him

then again when andrex and emcee are fighting to the death, the biggest winner is the world

You don't enjoy arguing over trivial aspects of game design?  What else are forums for ???
...
I think what constitutes a good game is very simple.  Accessible mechanics that lend themselves to an intuitive learning curve.  Responsive controls (aided by good performance ie 60 fps), a lack of narrative fluff thats at odds with the strength of the medium, level design that builds upon and twists preconceived notions while not being cheap bullshit.  ~colors and catchy tunes~
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 07, 2011, 01:06:39 PM
if i want to play a good 3d zelda these days i scrape it off the back of himuro's throat

Idungeddit.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2011, 01:07:16 PM
Yeah, I watched my friend and some chick* play the bird sequence at Comic-con... it looked horribly frustrating, I hated the bird waggle stages in Galaxy 2 and this looks more of the same. At first I thought the Wii was gonna be interesting, but now I absolutely detest any form of non-traditional controls in gaming.

*sadly I didn't get her # :(

Wait, you control the bird with the fucking WIIMOTE?

 :yuck :yuck :yuck :yuck :yuck
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2011, 01:08:44 PM
if i want to play a good 3d zelda these days i scrape it off the back of himuro's throat

Idungeddit.

We play adult games. At night.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2011, 01:16:19 PM
Motion controls suck and I don't get why emcee even defends them.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Raban on November 07, 2011, 01:19:12 PM
Motion controls suck and I don't get why emcee even defends them.

it feels nostalgic when I can agree with you
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 07, 2011, 01:22:25 PM
in theory they aren't bad if they are implemented well

i have to say 'in theory' because they have never been implemented well

Excitetruck?

Motion controls suck and I don't get why emcee even defends them.

1. I have you on record praising them.  I assume you really wanted the cool kids to like you and that attitude MYSTERIOUSLY changed.
2.  How is it surprising I like motion controls?  I'm a novelty whore and a nintard.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 07, 2011, 01:33:22 PM
Himuro's enthusiasm gets to me more than his trolling ever will.

Did you ever play Excitebots Oscar?  They only released it in Japan as a Club Nintendo Reward and I remember you being a fan of the first game.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2011, 01:35:50 PM
I like motion controls in gulps. Mario Galaxy handled motion controls well (for the most part) outside of the crappy mini games. I really enjoyed Twilight Princess' implementation of motion controls outside of shield bash. But for the most part, every other implementation I've seen has been flawed: SSX, Mario Galaxy mini games, No More Heroes special moves,  that shit is even annoying in Animal Crossing.

I don't understand how you can defend motion controls because they give you less precision, for the most part, unless you're using a pointing device or some kinda of gimmick game. Motion controls -- by themselves -- create highly limited game experiences. Motion controls are only suitable if they compliment traditional game controls or if the game is so limited (Trauma Center, Wario Ware: Smooth Moves) that the controls compliment the gameplay.

But for the most part, yes, motion controls suck.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 07, 2011, 01:47:44 PM
You listed a bunch of games that utilised the accelerometer tech in faulty ways.  SSX Blur/No More Heroes- I agree, bad implementations.  For comparison the Shaun White Snowboarding games and Mad World do what those games were trying to do but WELL.  Other good motion stuff includes the Tiger Woods games (m+ editions), Excitebots/Truck, and the Kororinpa series (full 3d space tilting in a marble rolling game), and certain events in WSR.  A soul calibur esque game using the sword game mechanics from WSR would be awesome.  Its reliable, it works and it respects the limitations of the tech in those cases.

There's definitely still room for improvement (see- gyro drift problems), but as the tech improves there's going to be several genres where its the best option (ie sports games ie NOT rpgs, etc.)
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2011, 01:55:54 PM
Sports games as a whole aren't improved by motion controls, only specific sports like golf or tennis, but mostly golf. Mayyyyyyyybe baseball. Football? Basketball? Soccer? Impossible. Boxing? lol.

The REAL games that would best improved (RAIL SHOOTERS) only one game to show for it: Sin and Punishment 2.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 07, 2011, 01:58:58 PM
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I don't understand how you can defend motion controls because they give you less precision

i don't have a problem with that,the whole reason bowling and golf in wii sports works is because you actualy have less precision and can't hit like a perfect robo

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create highly limited game experiences.

so do game that uses the guncon but i don't see anybody ever making a rally against time crisis >:(
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 07, 2011, 02:02:04 PM
I just don't see it being like Twilight Princess was.  *that* game was important for n-cigarillo pride.  launch title for the underpowered wii, proof that zelda could be MATOOR, proof motion controls could work well in a hardcore game, proof the wii would have some hardcore titles to go with the waggle, proof Zelda was still relevant in a post-GTA world... there was a lot riding on that.

Word. SS may turn out to be a better game than TP, but the level of hype, and the amount of validation riding on it aren't even in the same stratosphere. As a Zelda figgurt par excellence, I'm actually quite astounded that my level of excitement for SS is pretty much on the same level as it was with NSMBW (and for those you wondering, no that's NOT a good thing, even though NSMBW is pretty damn good). It's probably one of the main reasons I wouldn't feel bothered at all if SS may theoretically get an 8.0 by some rabblerousing reviewer.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2011, 02:02:46 PM
Also, to be honest, though golf's controls are improved, I would still take Hot Shots Golf over any wii golf game.

Depth > vapid control schemes

If your game is defined by the controls then something ain't right. Because if you are playing ANY good game, you forget you've got a controller in your hand to begin with.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 07, 2011, 02:08:59 PM
Also, I hated the bird controls in SMG2.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 07, 2011, 02:15:24 PM
Sports games as a whole aren't improved by motion controls, only specific sports like golf or tennis, but mostly golf. Mayyyyyyyybe baseball. Football? Basketball? Soccer? Impossible. Boxing? lol.

The REAL games that would best improved (RAIL SHOOTERS) only one game to show for it: Sin and Punishment 2.

PES playmaker series (Wii!) is the most radical reinvention of soccer videogames ever and is the closest any developer has come to accurately portraying the dynamics of the sport.  For comparison the hd soccer games are about hoping the AI places your teammates where they need to be.  Not seeing how boxing could be done with motion controls in a meaningful way?  That's just being disingenuine.  If they ever solve the gyro drift problems I could easily see a game that allowed you to fake certain punches or deceptively posture yourself for an advantage.  Basketball... hmm. I kinda find free throw mechanics in those games wack, I could see a better implementation through waggle there,  otherwise it would probably be arbitrary incorporation yes.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Third on November 07, 2011, 02:18:36 PM
Don't understand why people prefer to play golf games with motion controls. It's not realistic at all. Current motion controls are way too slow and inaccurate for actual golf movements.

Current motion controls are very bad for fast precision gaming.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 07, 2011, 02:19:17 PM
Also, to be honest, though golf's controls are improved, I would still take Hot Shots Golf over any wii golf game.

Depth > vapid control schemes

If your game is defined by the controls then something ain't right. Because if you are playing ANY good game, you forget you've got a controller in your hand to begin with.

How is depth or game quality decided by the control mechanism?  The m+ Tiger Woods games have plenty of "depth", from the game design itself to learning how to optimally execute your swing in different situations.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2011, 02:30:18 PM
Because at most, you will have only two options of play when playing a golf game with the wii mote: speed of swing and mayyyybe positioning. In Hot Shots Golf there's positioning, different swings, swing speeds, you aim your ball and the distance with the buttons.

Also, my overall point is that wii controls don't make it a better game. Sports games are all about the ai and rule sets and sliders, you even brought up the ai yourself.

I fail to see how a basketball game for wii can give you same amount of depth as a game like NBA2k11 or NBA2k12 since the button config is too limited. Oh great, you lift your wiimote and shoot it like a basketball. How does that make it a better basketball game, and much more, how does it make it a better basketball sim? Much more, sports games are prime examples of games that are about controls because sports have a lot of variables, and in order to pull of a realistic sports game experience, you're going to have to have a full on button config, which a wiimote can't supply.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glmy5OBUkbw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbAdDEQE9p4

None of these videos are about control implementation. They're mostly about control usage and overcoming ai.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Crushed on November 07, 2011, 02:41:40 PM
Bird controls in SMG2 worked perfectly fine. Maybe just get better at video games???
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2011, 02:42:42 PM
Yeah, bird controls in SMG2 were fine. But I don't feel like doing that for controlling my virtual bird friend on my world map when I'm exploring a video game, pretending my controller is a fucking paper plane.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 07, 2011, 02:42:57 PM
Bird controls in SMG2 worked perfectly fine. Maybe just get better at video games???

No can do, essay.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Crushed on November 07, 2011, 02:54:34 PM
Yeah, bird controls in SMG2 were fine. But I don't feel like doing that for controlling my virtual bird friend on my world map when I'm exploring a video game, pretending my controller is a fucking paper plane.

I guess I'm a weirdo since I loved that method of control in WSR.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Third on November 07, 2011, 03:02:41 PM
The bird is only controllable with motion controls? Cool, that worked for Lair!

The bird controls will probably be my biggest gripe with this game...
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2011, 03:10:38 PM
I didn't like anything in WSR.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 07, 2011, 03:13:54 PM
i read theres no voice acting in this. how can it be 2011 and still have no voice acting. what a sorry excuse for a game
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Crushed on November 07, 2011, 03:19:47 PM
I didn't like anything in WSR.

Sounds like a sad case of bad taste.  :gloomy


m+ flying in wsr :bow2
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 07, 2011, 03:43:17 PM
Real Skyward Sword spoiler, putting spoiler tags in front because I don't want to ruin anyones time with it:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
hey tom i just beat the game for review, heres the ending you wanted to know:
Link goes to Hyrule Castle and on top he fights gannondorf who has captured zelda and has her locked in a vice grip like device. the rain is raining and the light is dark as you have to circle strafe around ganon and slash the lights to make the room fully dark this makes the weak spots on ganon shine and then you have to rinse and repeat until you "kill him" when all of a sudden a cutscene happens and he crushes zelda to death and starts to drain her power. this causes links sword to start glowing and going upwards (hence skyward sword) as the ghost of zelda goes into the blade, which link gathers and then has a fight with a really stupid looking version of mega ganon (he's all black and full of chains and his hair is made of fire). anyways you kill him and then link hides the sword in a temple as a "final resting place" for zelda. then it goes into the sunlight and it pans around a updated version of the city you start ocarina in. as you see this makes ocarina more important once you get the master sword because you have the presecence of zelda in it
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Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Enl on November 07, 2011, 03:47:43 PM
i read theres no voice acting in this. how can it be 2011 and still have no voice acting. what a sorry excuse for a game

If the past decade has taught us anything (Mario Sunshine, Metroid, Sonic, Mega Man, most JRPGs, etc) it's that some classic franchises are probably better off without voices.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 07, 2011, 03:59:42 PM
Don't understand why people prefer to play golf games with motion controls. It's not realistic at all. Current motion controls are way too slow and inaccurate for actual golf movements.

Current motion controls are very bad for fast precision gaming.

i can align two lines just fine but swinging the wiimote with precision is somewhat hard

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wii controls don't make it a better game.

but they make for a different game,i like different,different is better
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2011, 04:11:46 PM
I didn't like anything in WSR.

Sounds like a sad case of bad taste.  :gloomy


m+ flying in wsr :bow2

you know you're operating on a very slippery slope when you are using WSR as a signifier of good taste

but they make for a different game,i like different,different is better

You can have different games with traditional controls so your argument is stoopid
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 07, 2011, 04:30:36 PM
I'm all for making the combat in Zelda games require a bit of skill and precision, and I like that what was a simple action mapped to a button is now a palette of actions.  They could have made it more interesting with just the button, but the only real option with that is combos and shit, same as every other melee action game ever.
They could have really justified the change by making A a stroke modifier or something.  What does A do now once you're locked-on?  Still dodges and shit?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2011, 04:31:08 PM
I was worried about flying with motion as well, but from what I've read it doesn't control at all like SMG2's bird sequences.  You basically keep the remote steady to go straight, sway your hand left/right to turn into said directions, and just do an up-down movement to "flap" higher.  You don't have to keep the remote straight towards the screen like in SMG2, which was a pain in the ass and was extremely uncomfortable.

Based on what some peeps on twitter are saying, it's about as easy as navigation can be with motion plus.


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I'm all for making the combat in Zelda games require a bit of skill and precision, and I like that what was a simple action mapped to a button is now a palette of actions.  They could have really justified the change by making A a stroke modifier or something.  What does A do now once you're locked-on?  Still dodges and shit?

A is mostly always the stamina meter.  You can use A to circle around enemies, climb up over them (if they have a shield) and even I think do a rushing strike with the combination of the wii remote.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 07, 2011, 08:33:14 PM
Apparently the E3 demo has found its way onto the dark corners of the internet.  Practice your waggle now!
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 07, 2011, 08:48:06 PM
This would be cool if Zelda isnt already releasing in a couple weeks... pass
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on November 08, 2011, 03:32:35 AM
Apparently the E3 demo has found its way onto the dark corners of the internet.  Practice your waggle now!

Someone needs to put this on Dolphin NOW

And take screenshots/iron out the bugs for release.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 08, 2011, 04:10:41 AM
http://www.abload.de/browseGallery.php?gal=fZGeNCpw&img=daxp01-34g4c0y.png (http://www.abload.de/browseGallery.php?gal=fZGeNCpw&img=daxp01-34g4c0y.png)

:drool
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 08, 2011, 04:33:25 AM
Apparently the E3 demo has found its way onto the dark corners of the internet.  Practice your waggle now!

waggle here i come!
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on November 08, 2011, 09:01:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-UrasDAXJE

I can't contain the manchild in me. So good I'm welling up.  :'(
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Third on November 08, 2011, 09:03:27 AM
yeah, zelda music is the shit
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 08, 2011, 10:00:03 AM
I have.

The game definitely takes a bit to get used to.  When I first booted it up, the easiest thing to play was the bird segment.  Relax everyone--the bird controls just fine.  Not at all similar to the SMG2 bird.  The sword play and items baffled me at first, and I didn't get far at all in the dungeon demo.

But then I realized I was unconsciously waggling.

For real though.  You cannot just shake the shit out of your remote, you have to know your positioning and you have to have forethought before you swing your sword/throw a bomb, etc.  I've played the full demo about three times, and I get better and better each time.  I fucking love the controls now.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 08, 2011, 11:25:19 AM
mmm well allright,you can play only for 15 minutes after that the demo goes "thank you for playing" and reset itself... from the main menu you can pick 3 options,bird riding,dungeon or boss

the bird riding it's not as bad as people think,it plays pretty much like the plane in wii sports resort,point up to go up,point down to go down,etc... the only two difference's are that 1) you dash by pushing A instead of thrusting 2) if you waggle the bird flap a little increasing your altitude

the only problem i can see with this is that it seems the bird altitude gradualy descend and when you get close to the bottom he starts to panic and you have to waggle to increase your altitude again but other than that i don't see anything wrong with it

the dungeon... since you only get 15 minute it's impossible to finish but basicaly you get that bettle thing and you push a lot of switches with it,yup it's zelda... so let's talk about the control,waggling in different direction give you different slashes,you switch items with B and consumables with -,waggling both the wiimote and the analog stick does the trademark spin attack,there is Z targetting,after you Z target you can press A to jump around the enemy,waggling while you are dodging an attack does the jump slash

one neat thing is that if you hold the wiimote up,link sword charge and you can shoot a wave attack,bonus point if you scream "BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL" while doing it

if you waggle the analog stick,link push his shield in front of him and parry,doing this while an enemy attack stun them for a while and you can waggle all you want over them before they recover,if you knock an enemy down waggling down both the wiimote and the analog stick does a finishing move that instantly kills them

the normal enemies don't require much finesse to dispatch but the boss required some more precise slash which was actualy pretty good
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 08, 2011, 11:55:46 AM
do not listen to magus.  If you waggle, you die.  You MUST be conscious of how and where you're swinging your sword.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on November 08, 2011, 12:12:20 PM
There are codes that let you bypass the time limit.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Trent Dole on November 08, 2011, 12:16:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-UrasDAXJE

I can't contain the manchild in me. So good I'm welling up.  :'(
Oh God full orchestral Zelda music. :hyper
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on November 08, 2011, 12:34:05 PM
I know. It's like cocaine in my veins.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2011, 03:26:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-UrasDAXJE

I can't contain the manchild in me. So good I'm welling up.  :'(

holy shit
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 08, 2011, 06:30:10 PM
Nope, not gonna listen to the music. On a total blackout at this point and that includes a total deaf(?)out too.

Hopefully this soundtrack is more SMG and less TP.  :yuck
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 08, 2011, 09:05:12 PM
New Game+ confirmed.  Not a lot of details at the moment other than no heart pickups.  I'm guessing shields take more damage, enemies do more damage, enemies take less damage.  I think nerfing potions/fairies would be required too, but I'm not confident about that.  Maybe tougher/more enemies will show up in earlier areas.  What I would like but don't expect would be new enemy/boss attack patterns and remixed dungeons.  But considering the overworld/dungeon blurring of distinction I can't imagine it would be feasible.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: bachikarn on November 08, 2011, 11:50:53 PM
Apparently the entire plotline was found in the demo. These are pretty huge spoilers

http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/11/skyward-sword-full-story-revealed-best-zelda-ever-confirmed.html
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 09, 2011, 07:20:32 AM
Apparently the entire plotline was found in the demo. These are pretty huge spoilers

http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/11/skyward-sword-full-story-revealed-best-zelda-ever-confirmed.html

the ending :teehee

spoiler (click to show/hide)
lickity demon resurrects a big baddie with a big sword who's called demise because i guess notganon doesn't sounds as cool

remind me of the whole "NO MORE ZUBAT" fiasco
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Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 09, 2011, 09:40:41 AM
i don't care much either but i still feel the need to point and laugh at himuro :teehee
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 09, 2011, 10:02:35 AM
Demo running on Dolphin.... why nintendo why  :'(

(http://www.abload.de/img/dolphin2011-11-0821-5ymkma.jpg)
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2011, 10:12:53 AM
Man, that guy on the left is SO FABULOUS.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 09, 2011, 10:25:06 AM
Man, that guy on the left is SO FABULOUS.

reminds me of
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110417022059/disney/images/2/26/Char_29308.jpg)

On the off chance any of you actually cares about this:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Demise is one funny "generic evil villain name" :rofl
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spoiler (click to show/hide)
you know it's bad when you share the name with a yugioh card :smug
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071218045254/yugioh/images/thumb/b/b2/Demise%2CKingofArmageddonDR04-EN-SR.png/300px-Demise%2CKingofArmageddonDR04-EN-SR.png)
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Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 09, 2011, 10:35:56 AM
Nintendo has really perfected their art style I must say. It looks stunning in HD.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2011, 10:47:34 AM
i don't care much either but i still feel the need to point and laugh at himuro :teehee

Don't see why seeing as the only Zelda stories I love are Links Awakening and Majora's Mask.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 09, 2011, 10:59:18 AM
i don't care much either but i still feel the need to point and laugh at himuro :teehee

Don't see why seeing as the only Zelda stories I love are Links Awakening and Majora's Mask.

mmm... did you read the spoiler?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
there's no ganon because there is now another ancient ganon like sealed evil that get unsealed in the end called DEMISE,he even looks like ganon,nintendo played bait & switch on all you "no ganon? OMG!" guys
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Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2011, 11:08:00 AM
I haven't read ANY spoilers. What's the point of spoiling yourself if you're going to play it anyways?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Crushed on November 09, 2011, 11:15:48 AM
Read spoilers. Magus owned? Seems so...
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2011, 11:23:32 AM
Is that taco ganon in this
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Crushed on November 09, 2011, 11:25:10 AM
No, it's a dude that's kinda similar to Ganon but instead of being a dick-wizard who shits up the Triforce picnic, he's essentially the Zelda equivalent of the devil.

It's implied
spoiler (click to show/hide)
the reason Ganon exists is because the dude hates everything so much that even after he's completely destroyed, his hatred itself will be an everliving curse (eg. Ganon) that will force Link and Zelda to constantly be reincarnated to stop it.
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Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2011, 11:26:42 AM
Awesome

Any Majora's mask like storytelling?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Crushed on November 09, 2011, 11:30:35 AM
Not sure, but there's a few moments that are kinda nice and really reminded me of Wind Waker with an apparent theme of "being a hero and being saddled with a destiny from gods who want you to do shit for them kind of sucks." Apparently some people said that some lines in it were changed for the final version and some significant scenes were missing in the leak.

At least one character turns out totally different than what a bunch of idiots were all falling all over themselves to speculate.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Groose isn't Ganondorf or a bad guy, he's actually a well-meaning kid who happens to be really rude and jealous of Link. He ends up planting the Deku Tree (?) and taking care of an old lady after going to the surface to try and save Zelda himself. He even helps out against the final boss. He might still be Ganondorf's ancestor or something, the design similarities are hard to ignore, but he's not evil.
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Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 09, 2011, 11:58:27 AM
No, it's a dude that's kinda similar to Ganon but instead of being a dick-wizard who shits up the Triforce picnic, he's essentially the Zelda equivalent of the devil.

It's implied
spoiler (click to show/hide)
the reason Ganon exists is because the dude hates everything so much that even after he's completely destroyed, his hatred itself will be an everliving curse (eg. Ganon) that will force Link and Zelda to constantly be reincarnated to stop it.
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i don't get what's the point of having no ganon if we get kinda ganon instead... the whole point of having no ganon is to get more creative with the scenario and pull off magical dreaming whale and having a final boss that doesn't consist of "dude with a sword"

but nope,we get ancient sealed evil notganon

Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 09, 2011, 12:38:22 PM
because it doesn't makes sense according to the loose timeline nintendo has created for the series.  You're really going to get all bent out shape because nintendo made a devil villain that wasn't ganon?  christ dude, you're insufferable
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Crushed on November 09, 2011, 12:46:32 PM
All they said about "It's not Ganon" was that somebody asked Aonuma if he'd be in the game and he was all "It wouldn't really make sense given the story, so no." It's not like they promised that nobody who was Dark Lord of Evil-like would appear (besides, you get Girahim for most of the game).

That and with a game based on sword fighting and motion stuff it probably mandated that the final boss wield a sword.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 09, 2011, 12:51:40 PM
All they said about "It's not Ganon" was that somebody asked Aonuma if he'd be in the game and he was all "It wouldn't really make sense given the story, so no." It's not like they promised that nobody who was Dark Lord of Evil-like would appear (besides, you get Girahim for most of the game).

That and with a game based on sword fighting and motion stuff it probably mandated that the final boss wield a sword.

oh sure sure as i said i don't really care,i'm just saying based on that replies like this...

Quote from: Himuro
Wrong. Games like Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening are refreshing and a huge reason is because there IS no Ganon.

now sounds kind of silly
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on November 09, 2011, 01:02:02 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ltznWrFJSsc/TrrABFGsBdI/AAAAAAAAH7w/-u39A2wfiKg/w400/FriezaScouter01.gif)

That's it for me.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: bachikarn on November 09, 2011, 02:46:54 PM
Nintendo has really perfected their art style I must say. It looks stunning in HD.

Is it going to be pretty easy to get this running on Dolphin on the day SS comes out? I haven't tried installing Dolphin yet, but would rather not play this on wii.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 09, 2011, 02:48:50 PM
People have had little to no problems running the demo on it.  I'd say it'll fine.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 09, 2011, 06:45:32 PM
Spoiler that shit, bitches!  :maf
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 09, 2011, 07:15:39 PM
I can't find my wii or wiimotes :piss
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 10, 2011, 01:35:24 AM
that absolute nerdlinger fucktwit TSA is claiming TP is a far better game.  This comes from the man who thinks PH is one the series highlights, and puts the zelda timeline as his number one concern as a zelda fan

good news, then!
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2011, 01:41:11 AM
that absolute nerdlinger fucktwit TSA is claiming TP is a far better game.  This comes from the man who thinks PH is one the series highlights, and puts the zelda timeline as his number one concern as a zelda fan

good news, then!

:rofl
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 10, 2011, 02:40:33 AM
TSA also thinks he's the authority on all Zelda games, if you want to have a good laugh look up what his dream Zelda would be like.

exactly, ugh
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on November 10, 2011, 02:41:37 AM
TSA also thinks he's the authority on all Zelda games, if you want to have a good laugh look up what his dream Zelda would be like.

So, the BowieZ of Zelda then?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Crushed on November 10, 2011, 02:42:02 AM
gaf (especially that one jackass I won't name) freaking out over his post after all that buildup was funny, but yeah TSA has always had really fucking weird taste and ideas about Zelda that he acts authoritative about even when he says he's not trying to

still remember when he used his review copy of TP to declare his own weird personal timeline theory to have prevailed over all his opponents, only for everyone to actually play the game and wonder what the hell he was talking about
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 10, 2011, 02:52:29 AM
He still to this day claims that crazy cutscene in TP after the water temple was supposed to be the story of OoT.  le fucking what
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 10, 2011, 04:08:28 AM
http://kotaku.com/5858011/30-seconds-of-skyward-sword-a-masterpiece-of-a-forest

Sorry Stephen, trees still look like crap. :(

edit: He also says SS is a 'slow burn'.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 10, 2011, 08:26:55 AM
who would listen to stephen totodile anyway?  guy's an idiot, has no idea what he's talking about.

Really?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 10, 2011, 09:03:26 AM
Ah, had a feeling, but wasn't sure. Dude seems like a decent chap.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 10, 2011, 11:39:40 PM
Have to buy a WM+ attachment in the next week... I know this shits gonna leak on the quickness.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 11, 2011, 01:23:23 AM
It should be out in the interwebs in the next 12 hours
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: MCD on November 11, 2011, 01:27:01 AM
Gonna be a good Dolphin emu testing material. Bring it on.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 11, 2011, 03:19:35 AM
as i think we generally don't want silly ninthings poluting the beautiful TheBore waters, can someone hastily put up a 8.9/10 review on the front page so we get banned from all Ninthing sites and they never darken our door?

What'd I ever do to you?  :(

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Actually, I'd say I'm more of a Zeldathing to be precise. Don't care about 99% of the Nintendo library.
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Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 11, 2011, 03:31:00 AM
Holeeeeeeeeeee shit:

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Giant Bomb: 4/5
G4TV: 4/5
Gamepro: 4/5
EGM: 8.5
Joystiq: 4.5/5
1up: B+

Wow. That's the worst line of scores I've ever seen for a main line console Zelda.

And for the record:

(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/6/68564/1687126-i_ain_t_even_mad_super.jpg)
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Trent Dole on November 11, 2011, 04:02:21 AM
Kinda think those scores reflect more on how :poop Nintendo has been in general lately than on the actual game. It's safe enough for reviewers to bring some real talk to a big franchise review of theirs at the moment it'd seem. Not that those scores can be considered remotely bad by anyone remotely rational but some of the N kids will meltdown anyway - this is an opportunity to out insane the Sony crew and their fine display in regards to Uncharted 3. 8)
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 11, 2011, 04:05:37 AM
Please tell me there's massive genocide going on at GAF right now!

Surprisingly, nope. At least, relatively speaking. There's tons of people being shocked at the scores and such, but so far no fat jokes or death threats.

Seems Zelda fans have lost the spark.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Trent Dole on November 11, 2011, 04:16:35 AM
Somebody has a pretty wordy meltdown in the giant bomb comments. "The sidequests, IF YOU CAN EVEN CALL THEM THAT :gun" :lol It's just a fucking videogame spergtards, callm down.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Trent Dole on November 11, 2011, 04:53:43 AM
TP was really long and I enjoyed most of it but that 2 hour intro tutorial makes replaying it unbearable. :-\
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 11, 2011, 05:31:22 AM
So the biggest complaints from what I've read are:

-the silent realm
-other shitty fetch quests
-motion controls don't work as great as you'd think

Not surprised at any of these, tbh. I knew the silent realm in particular was gonna fuck things up the moment I saw it.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on November 11, 2011, 06:10:37 AM
Most of those seem right on but EGM is the only one who's complained about the controls.

Agree with you about the reviewers though. People aren't afraid to actually score Nintendo games what they deserve (whether or not the scores are correct.) Whereas with any of the HD games, I have a feeling they'd be walking away from money on the table AND there would be fanboy jihad.

I really just want to play SS and see for myself where it stands in the series. One thing that concerns me though is:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
There's only 6/7 dungeons, down from TP's 9, and the first two seem to be flubs (like TP's final two were.) Besides that there seem to be only three "types/themes" of dungeons. This is a marked step down from TP.
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Not like I expected it to completely outdo TP in the dungeon area but it's still disappointing.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Third on November 11, 2011, 06:11:04 AM
Reviews are saying this game is worse than TP? SS must be really horrible then  :lol

Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 11, 2011, 06:16:54 AM
It should be out in the interwebs in the next 12 hours

it's actualy already out :smug

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Giant Bomb: 4/5
G4TV: 4/5
Gamepro: 4/5
EGM: 8.5
Joystiq: 4.5/5
1up: B+

eeeeeehhhhh i'm really surprised
oh but here's a review full of stupid by ign so i guess thing are still going as usual
http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/121/1212220p1.html

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Reviews are saying this game is worse than TP? SS must be really horrible then

TP rocks barring it's incredibly boring intro

Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on November 11, 2011, 06:18:43 AM
Reviews are saying this game is worse than TP? SS must be really horrible then  :lol

TP was a really excellent Zelda game. If you hated TP then you must not get that much enjoyment from most games in the series.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 11, 2011, 06:20:17 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
There's only 6/7 dungeons, down from TP's 9, and the first two seem to be flubs (like TP's final two were.) Besides that there seem to be only three "types/themes" of dungeons. This is a marked step down from TP.
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I was sort of worried about the variety at first too, but apparently the landforms change as you progress through the game to create different locales.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on November 11, 2011, 06:26:30 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Apparently though there's no ice dungeon. Or Zoras.
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Glad I'm tampering my expectations now. I remember being so hyped for TP I was disappointed with it at first. Took a replay two years later to change that opinion.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 11, 2011, 06:34:21 AM
Are there any spoilers (without spoiler tags)?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Third on November 11, 2011, 06:43:58 AM
Reviews are saying this game is worse than TP? SS must be really horrible then  :lol

TP was a really excellent Zelda game. If you hated TP then you must not get that much enjoyment from most games in the series.

TP is the only main Zelda game I haven't finished. It just didn't click with me. Had to stop at the Sky Temple. Was bored. I was tired of it, I don't know.

Let's see how long SS will entertain me. The game seems to be refreshing and yet similar.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 11, 2011, 06:50:31 AM
Reviews are saying this game is worse than TP? SS must be really horrible then  :lol

TP was a really excellent Zelda game. If you hated TP then you must not get that much enjoyment from most games in the series.


TP is the only main Zelda game I haven't finished. It just didn't click with me. Had to stop at the Sky Temple.

The hell? TP's definitely boring, but if you gave up, it should have been within the first 10 hours. You just missed out on one of the best dungeons in the series.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Third on November 11, 2011, 06:57:55 AM
Reviews are saying this game is worse than TP? SS must be really horrible then  :lol

TP was a really excellent Zelda game. If you hated TP then you must not get that much enjoyment from most games in the series.


TP is the only main Zelda game I haven't finished. It just didn't click with me. Had to stop at the Sky Temple.

The hell? TP's definitely boring, but if you gave up, it should have been within the first 10 hours. You just missed out on one of the best dungeons in the series.

I was in the middle of it. Something just snapped and I wasn't interested in the game anymore. Never went back to it afterwards.

There were a lot of moments in the game where I wanted to stop playing, and that Temple was the final straw.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 11, 2011, 07:20:48 AM
http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/video/legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword-with-reggie-fils-aime-111011/1367853/

:hyper
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on November 11, 2011, 07:23:29 AM
Who else read TSA's post in the GAF review thread? most of it is pretty hilariously stupid.

Here it is for those looking: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=32607378&postcount=9859 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=32607378&postcount=9859)

TSA is just kind of weird. There's valid criticisms in that post but some really left field complaints too that seem way too personal to really be complaints. Sort of looking forward to the actual GT review, though I don't know if I'll watch it cause SPOILERS
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Third on November 11, 2011, 07:47:18 AM
So, the game doesn't have a quest log?  ::)

That's stupid. Each adventure with quests should have a quest log.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 11, 2011, 08:04:09 AM
bwahahha so glad this pos is getting bad reviews. Zelda is stale and dumb.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on November 11, 2011, 11:10:04 AM
I told you guys.  ::)
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 11, 2011, 11:31:38 AM
expected scores from giantbomb and some of the others

I give no fucks, because fucking zelda comes out soon yessss
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Crushed on November 11, 2011, 11:34:26 AM
I'm really disappointed

i was actually secretly hoping the zelda faaaaaaags would lose their shit over the reviews

but they're too uniform so there's no particular one they can focus on

i mean i guess the reactions to the 1up review are ok

i guess

egm's "twilight princess has better motion controls because you could just waggle" almost sparked a fire but it was extinguished by the overwhelming sense of cynicism and self-pity

nintendo fans at this point in the game are like bacteria, and reviews are penicillin; the old ones all died and only the more resilient "whatever, I didn't think they'd give a Wii game a 10" strain is left
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Wario64 on November 11, 2011, 11:49:06 AM
The.Legend.of.Zelda.-.Skyward.Sword.-.MULTi3.NTSC.Wii-WIISOS   
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 11, 2011, 12:02:34 PM
pretty sure that's the fake torrent from yesterday
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Wario64 on November 11, 2011, 12:53:57 PM
Real unless someone is trolling on Usenet. People are playing it
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 11, 2011, 12:57:54 PM
Welp, buying a WM+ after work
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 11, 2011, 12:58:26 PM
I wish I had usenet :(
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Trent Dole on November 11, 2011, 01:08:02 PM
Uh, it's pretty easily found at places other than usenet. Found it at the first site I checked. Don't have enough gb free on here to dl it though. :lol
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Wario64 on November 11, 2011, 01:31:11 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/EBwY1.jpg)

Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 11, 2011, 01:41:31 PM
Is that your pic?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 11, 2011, 01:44:08 PM
i'm playing it :teehee
Title: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 11, 2011, 02:08:48 PM
It's on bitgamer
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 11, 2011, 02:46:53 PM
2 hours in and there is already an NPC asking me to do his chores for him

:bow masterpiece :bow2
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Wario64 on November 11, 2011, 02:54:13 PM
Is that your pic?

yep

beginning is shit, i wonder if i'll stop playing after a couple hours like twilight princess
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Third on November 11, 2011, 04:17:05 PM
Loads perfect in usb loader. Had to change the loader to v70 and the cios to 250 though. That was a hassle.   :-\

And wtf at the unskippable movie in the beginning. That was really annoying.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 11, 2011, 04:19:07 PM
I'm really disappointed

i was actually secretly hoping the zelda faaaaaaags would lose their shit over the reviews

but they're too uniform so there's no particular one they can focus on

i mean i guess the reactions to the 1up review are ok

i guess

Big_One on GAF is being a bloody cunt about TSA's comments.  I don't see a reason for it either. Its TSA.

I'm only reading the review thread scrounging for info about the game structure and mechanics, because otherwise I find the obsession with review scores disgusting.  No physical person I know irl gives a shit what i.e. Ebert thinks about something they are looking forward to*.  Its only something I encounter on the net.

*To be fair games are much more expensive than other forms of media, but even the gamers I know ever care this much about nitpickings.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Wario64 on November 11, 2011, 04:31:39 PM
got the sword and saved. think im past the boring 'tutorial' stage. hopefully the real shit begins soon.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: naff on November 11, 2011, 04:33:48 PM
Sweet, will hopefully be able to pick up dat motion+ when I'm out for lunch today :D
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 11, 2011, 07:55:51 PM
mmm well i played up for 3 hours so far...

the first hour is mostly exposition and tutorial stuff,including the omnipresent guys who's at a higher place that tells you to press Z and A to talk with him,so really it's just kind of boring filler but i really like the cutscenes,they are animated really nicely and at least it goes down much much faster than twilight princess

hour 2 you finaly reach the forest,it's actualy pretty small and it really just serves as stuff to do before the actual dungeon,you find an npc and he ask you to find another 3 NPC which are hidden around the map,it's somewhat annoying but the sword can act as a dowsing rod that starts to vibrate when you point it near them which make finding them a little easier

hour 3 it's the first dungeon and it's the E3 demo dungeon with a few more room's added,so i don't really have much to say about it...

from what i said it would seems like i'm not liking it much but i'm actualy digging it,it looks and sounds really lovely... i went out of my way in the world map
spoiler (click to show/hide)
and i found a pub called "the lumpy pumpkin" there is all bar music and the bar owner is there washing dishes... and there is an heart container on top of a chandelier on top,the only way to reach the chandelier is to break it by smashing on the balcony and when you break it the owner goes all like :o and then get pissed at you,then the waitress start to call you "mighty knight,slayers of chandeliers" :lol
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the merchant too,there is a general bazaar music but depending to what merchant you get close too the music change to his speciality so when you get close to the mechanic it changes to metallic sounds... there is one of them who has an horrible grin like :D on his face but when you refuse to buy stuff from him he goes all like >:(  :lol

one thing they did is removing the compass,when you find the map,the map also tells you the location of every chest AND switch
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 11, 2011, 08:15:34 PM
Can you get rid of the wiimote taking up a quarter of your screen? I cant find any "settings"
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Wario64 on November 11, 2011, 08:29:48 PM
Can you get rid of the wiimote taking up a quarter of your screen? I cant find any "settings"

Yes but it seems like you get the option to change it about 90-120 minutes into the game. I'm not sure if you can change it earlier but it's in the gear screen on the lower left.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 11, 2011, 08:35:10 PM
apparently doing sidequest gives you "crystal of gratitude" GEE I WONDER WHERE THEY GOT THAT IDEA

what do you do with crystal of gratitudes?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
you give them to a FABULOUS vampire
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Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 11, 2011, 08:39:53 PM
Yea I cant find any settings besides calibrating the motionplus.

The text is soooooooooooooooooo slow, why can I not just skip thru. Fuuuk
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 11, 2011, 08:41:45 PM
you can speed it up by pressing A

and yes as wario said,it takes a while before you can reach that menu,the game will tell you
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Wario64 on November 11, 2011, 08:55:03 PM
you can speed it up by pressing A

and yes as wario said,it takes a while before you can reach that menu,the game will tell you

lol, the speed text rate is a joke
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 11, 2011, 11:07:45 PM
Bird Travel is... well, its probably not the same shit as Sailing but, I still hate this travel bullshit.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 11, 2011, 11:08:04 PM
How's the music? Is it fully orchestrated, or is it mixed like SMG?

And how are the compositions?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 11, 2011, 11:08:47 PM
It's Orchestrated... So far nothing has been wow. All the tunes (open a chest, obtain an item, etc.) are all warped sounding.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2011, 11:10:37 PM
why aren't you niccas playing skyrim
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 11, 2011, 11:11:22 PM
Because I'm waiting for Bethesda to fix their broken game. And I'm not buying it until Tuesday w/ Saints.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2011, 11:21:30 PM
Skyrim? Broken? It's not the game lacking a quest list. :smug
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 11, 2011, 11:28:00 PM
I'm about 4 hours in and about to go into the first dungeon (pretty inexcusable for it to take that long but this game's intro is much much more enjoyable than TPs, simply due to the music/presentation/overall story)

This game is already blowing my mind.  It's like a combination of the best attributes from ALttP, Majora's Mask, and Wind Waker all in one game.  Pumm's Pub, holy fuck  :o

I just love every design aspect so far.  I quite like the bird, but I'd rather it be controlled with the analog stick, of course.  Other than that, motion controls have been nigh perfect for me.

So far, based on the last three Zelda games and the first four hours of each game, this one FAR eclipses the others.
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Post by: Himu on November 11, 2011, 11:33:21 PM
Sounds good.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 11, 2011, 11:40:52 PM
Skyrim? Broken? It's not the game lacking a quest list. :smug

The texture issue is a huge fuckup, yes. Nt to mention the countless undocumented bugs waiting to crop.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 11, 2011, 11:42:09 PM
I just got to Faron Woods. I think I'm as bored as I have the other games. Tutorials... tutorials... waggle

I haven't had to collect Tears of Light, at least.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 11, 2011, 11:44:42 PM
Not to mention this hamfisted thrown in story. Cutscenes in Zelda.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 11, 2011, 11:48:03 PM
This ghost lady is even more annoying than Navi. She has to explain everything to me like I'm a dipshit. At least Navi summed it up in one word.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 11, 2011, 11:50:09 PM
Skyrim? Broken? It's not the game lacking a quest list. :smug

Nt to mention the countless undocumented bugs waiting to crop.

Skyrim really doesn't have that many bugs, at least not that I've seen in 12 hours with the PC version.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 11, 2011, 11:52:07 PM
I have to spend the whole time using my divining rod to smell out Zelda's nappy vagina stench trail.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2011, 01:35:14 AM
Demi, sell me SS when you're bored with it plz.  :-*
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 01:58:26 AM
I'm keeping my CE sealed... super rare.
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 01:59:13 AM
I beat the first "dungeon" - if you can even call it that. The boss fight was stupid cause of the horrid waggle controls. They're such a mess to deal with.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2011, 04:05:43 AM
the first boss is pretty stupid, but the second temple boss :hyper

and the motion controls are fine, demi sucks
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2011, 04:43:11 AM
Yeah this game is just firing on all cylinders for me.  I haven't encountered a single glaring flaw or annoyance yet, and I remember having plenty of those for TP.  This game's entire presentation is wonderful.
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Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2011, 05:00:20 AM
This game best not disappoint, Brandnew. :punch
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2011, 05:22:18 AM
crapy controls, lulz no

It's definitely a lot like Wind Waker and Majora's Mask.
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Post by: magus on November 12, 2011, 05:51:24 AM
apparently doing sidequest gives you "crystal of gratitude" GEE I WONDER WHERE THEY GOT THAT IDEA

what do you do with crystal of gratitudes?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
you give them to a FABULOUS vampire
[close]

From Minish Cap, maybe?  It is the same director, after all.

i was thinking dragon quest 9 actualy
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Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2011, 06:15:19 AM
Shane (Battenheusen?) from GT supposedly said this is the worst console Zelda he's ever played.

Hmm.
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Post by: Tasty on November 12, 2011, 06:19:27 AM
If it's Battenhausen lol at what he thinks.

Otherwise every Zelda fan will have to play for themselves. I've heard people say MM or WW were the worst Zeldas they ever played (although the people saying it usually have only played the main console games.) Zelda's a weird series because it has so much in it, and everyone picks and chooses the parts they like best.

The problem comes when people say that the parts they like are "what Zelda is." Screw those guys.
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Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2011, 07:01:18 AM
What do you think of OoT, Oscar? And what's ur fav?
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Post by: Tasty on November 12, 2011, 07:03:46 AM
Not a big fan of Majora's, but it was alright.  Windwaker is better than Zelda II and Spirit Tracks, but that's it.  And I've played them all, Andy.  Probably more than you. :smug

And it's Shane Satterfield.  Bettenhausen works for Sony now, haha.

Probably. When I get money I'll play them all. Being poor... :fbm

Hopefully MM gets a 3DS version.
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Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2011, 07:26:44 AM
:bow Oscar :bow2
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Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 12, 2011, 07:33:08 AM
LttP is probably my least favourite non-NES, non-DS Zelda, non-TP Zelda - but it's also the only one I've played all the way through twice.  And I never beat Ocarina or Majora.  I cannot explain this phenomenon.
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Post by: Tasty on November 12, 2011, 07:37:04 AM
LttP has always been my absolute favorite. I mean, OoT was a good step up from LttP, but LttP absolutely blew Zelda 2 away. Marvel of ingenious game design.

:bow Good taste. :bow2
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Post by: Tasty on November 12, 2011, 07:53:28 AM
He works for the enemy now, he's not to be trusted.

I never got the impression when he was at 1up/EGM that he cared for Nintendo out of taking pot-shots.
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 09:12:10 AM
Shane (Battenheusen?) from GT supposedly said this is the worst console Zelda he's ever played.

Hmm.

So far, I would agree. I can easily see this low on people's ranks.
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 09:25:06 AM
The first "treasure" you get is that flying beetle. It flies at... well, its fucking slow as shit. Pathetic. You have to wait forever just to reach your destination. It's certainly no boomerang.
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Post by: maxy on November 12, 2011, 10:00:00 AM
GT Shane Saints Row:The Third score

7.7
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Post by: magus on November 12, 2011, 10:06:04 AM
well i finished dungeon number 2,you get into a volcano,blow some cracked walls and then the game send you on another dowsing fetch quest... i'm starting to fear that's going to be a pattern

dungeon 2 is full of lava,you ride on a giant stone ball but you control it with the analog stick instead of waggle... uh why? nintendo got the waggle ball control perfect in super mario galaxy and now you are asking me to use the analog stick? laaaaaaaaaame

the boss... well i'll let you take a guess how you defeat it

A) you dodge his attack with timing and strike at the opportune time
B) you throw bombs into his mouth which reveal his obvious weak point and slash at it until he dies
C) thanks to the awesome motion+ capabilities,you strike with precision at the enemy
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Post by: maxy on November 12, 2011, 10:06:33 AM
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Wrong thread?

yes and no



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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 10:11:49 AM
lol, I feel like I'm going through the motions with this game.

The whole volcano area is like "Do you know what a bomb does? Well. Please throw it at this ominously looking pile of rocks."
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Post by: Positive Touch on November 12, 2011, 10:23:31 AM
so zelda still sucks?  good to know
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Post by: Himu on November 12, 2011, 10:51:54 AM
Majora's Mask is my favorite. Ocarina for obvious reasons and LttP for everything Oscar highlighted after that.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2011, 12:08:44 PM
I'm positively shocked magus and demi hate this game.

Zelda fans will love this game.  At least I do – It's Nintendo's best Zelda game since Ocarina of Time.  Don't know why its being shat on by a few people.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on November 12, 2011, 12:09:32 PM
expectations are a killer
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2011, 12:12:54 PM
that's why motherfuckers need to just relax regarding new games.  It absolutely RUINS games if you hype yourself beyond belief and expect a new Zelda game to be the Ocarina killer.  Shit's stupid.

I didn't know much about this game past the first 5 hours and I'm in love with it.
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 12:25:55 PM
"It gets better after 40 hours"
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 12:27:03 PM
:rofl BrandNew is about to blow a gasket

Even critics agree, this Zelda is lacking. Grow up.
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Post by: Himu on November 12, 2011, 12:28:12 PM
expectations are a killer

what expectations?

the hype for this game was pathetic
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 12:32:16 PM
The Fire Temple boss is not even trying. Is this a joke?
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Post by: Third on November 12, 2011, 12:34:38 PM
The only Zelda I don't like is TP. I haven't touched Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass, though. But going by the impression, I'd hate those games.

Windu Waika is the last Zelda game I really enjoyed.

And I'm not liking the impressions of SS so far.  :-\
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Post by: Sho Nuff on November 12, 2011, 01:23:12 PM
I think N64 Zelda is the last Zelda you really need to play
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 01:29:34 PM
So, here's the Fire Temple boss, or whatever:

=================

That line is the arena, except vertical (cause im lazy to type that). You run up a hill, with it chasing you. It will blow up a bomb, and fall back down. You chase it, then it starts sucking in air. You throw in a bomb. It explodes, and an eye is revealed. You slice it up a few times.

It then chases you back up the hill. It then gets blown up and rolls back down. You throw another bomb. You slice its eye.

That's the whole boss fight.
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Post by: Tasty on November 12, 2011, 01:42:17 PM
TSA did say the first two dungeons sucked. At least the disappointment is at the beginning rather than in TP, where the worst two dungeons were at the end (although TP did still salvage itself and deliver the best ending of the series.) It was even worse in TP's case since all the dungeons before it were just incredible.
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 01:50:54 PM
There's a Night/Day thing like Majora's, except you are restricted to Skyloft since your bird apparently doesn fly at night :mystery:
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Post by: Third on November 12, 2011, 02:20:53 PM
The bird doesn't fly at night? That is distinguished mentally-challenged.
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Post by: Himu on November 12, 2011, 02:34:29 PM
There's a Night/Day thing like Majora's, except you are restricted to Skyloft since your bird apparently doesn fly at night :mystery:

ahahahahha
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Post by: brob on November 12, 2011, 02:48:44 PM
Is the bird scared of the dark? He doesn't seem very intimidating so I guess that makes sense in the story. :derp
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 02:56:15 PM
No, they say birds dont fly at night.
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Post by: magus on November 12, 2011, 03:17:14 PM
there is no clock in the game,you go to bed and it switches to night,a quest required it to be night-time to solve but other than that there doesn't seems any reason to have a night-time at all
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 12, 2011, 03:36:48 PM
On the one hand, the detractors are the usual suspects.  On the other hand BrandNeW is playing the typical pissy defensive fanboy.  I'm kinda only interested in Jarosh's impressions but he keeps lamenting the lack of emotional aspects of the game.  I just wanna know if its fun.

Most damning thing I've heard is you revisit the first dungeon with no changes or good reason to revisit it.  That sounds stupid.  edit:  And the fact that the lyre is only used to trigger story events.  Although considering that all the ways the ocarina was utilised are addressed in other ways in SS, its understandable.  Most of the puzzles involving the ocarina were mostly obtuse guesswork anyway.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2011, 04:56:38 PM
I'm not pissy, honest, I just really REALLY fucking love this game.  It's the sort of Zelda I've wanted for a while.

And you can absolutely fly the bird at night.  You just have to reach a certain point.

Just play the game for yourselves.  If I had to rate the series after finishing half of the game so far:

Majora's Mask > Skyward Sword > Twilight Princess > Oracle games > Ocarina of Time > Wind Waker > Link's Awakening > A Link to the Past > Minish Cap > Spirit Tracks > Zelda I > Phantom Hourglass > Zelda II
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 05:02:36 PM
The third boss was an even bigger joke. I thought it was gonna be sweet, then I stab his eye a few times and he was dead. wtf?
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Post by: Tasty on November 12, 2011, 05:02:54 PM
Don't know if I can take any list that seriously that has LttP so low.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2011, 05:10:15 PM
ALttp has aged poorly, I think. *shrugs*

And I don't think boss battles have been great in Zelda since...Ocarina.  And even they were huge jokes.
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Post by: Tasty on November 12, 2011, 05:11:05 PM
I don't think any game has aged better than LttP. Maybe Yoshi's Island or Mega Man X.
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 05:13:13 PM
Does Ghiarim become cool? All he does is cry and flail his hands cuz Zelda got away.
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Post by: Himu on November 12, 2011, 05:14:05 PM
how the hell has lttp aged poorly
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Post by: Positive Touch on November 12, 2011, 05:57:43 PM
lttp is still one of the pinnacles of 2d gaming and was definitely not surpassed by its portable successors

same with oot & the other 3d games, but the difference is that most of the other 3d games had pretty heavy flaws
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Post by: Himu on November 12, 2011, 05:58:12 PM
Not Majora's Mask.
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Post by: Positive Touch on November 12, 2011, 06:12:44 PM
yeah majoras mask was a good game, but the time shit was cumbersome to say the least, and the notebook was only an ok replacement for the dungeons.  also i know a lot of people here dont agree with me, but i though the few dungeons that were in mm were gimmicky ass and not at all fun.

sometimes i think ninthings fail to remember that up until the early n64 era nintendo was still making groundbreaking, industry-changing games.  their big franchises dared to try new things and were usually amazing.  they've lost most of that old creativity, so even when they put out a solid game it just feels like old hat.  the industries' changed a lot in the last 10 years but zelda has totally failed to keep up.
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Post by: Himu on November 12, 2011, 06:17:33 PM
I didn't find the time stuff cumbersome. maybe when I first played it and I was expecting OoT 2.0, but not these days since you have complete control over it.
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 06:24:55 PM
lol, i have to go back to all the areas again to power up my sword.

i wish there was an easier way to travel.
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 06:37:44 PM
what do i need to get for this bitch in the toilet? she says she wants paper.
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Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2011, 06:42:05 PM
Not being able to fly at night is a big wtf.
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Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2011, 06:54:51 PM
omg someone uploaded the Zelda 25th anniversary concert soundtrack:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCExYO-NNMA

:rock :rock :rock
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 06:59:15 PM
So am I understanding that theres only 3 areas to this whole game? A desert, a volcano, and a forest.

What's going on here? What has Nintendo been doing this whole time?
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Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2011, 07:06:32 PM
Apparently the land forms change later on or something.
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Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 12, 2011, 07:36:13 PM
what do i need to get for this bitch in the toilet? she says she wants paper.

:o Yay, toilet hand returns - my favourite Zelda character.

EDIT:  LttP isn't the pinnacle of anything - it just doesn't have any notable flaws unlike all the better Zelda games, other than some occasionally shitty spritework.
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 07:41:37 PM
Don't know if its toilet hand, the door is locked. It just says "I need paper, any kind of paper" and I'm like uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Then I realise 99% of the quests in Zelda games are shit. So I moved on.
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Post by: magus on November 12, 2011, 07:50:20 PM
one interessing system that wasn't discussed here is that link can hold 4 consumable items,you can bring the usual bottles,a shield and several medal which bestow upon him powers like "more loot" or "more hearts" or "bug radar"

also this might be the first zelda where rupee are usefull because the merchant price are crazy,one of them sells an heart piece for 1,600 fucking rupee :o

anyway i entered the third dungeon (as usual there was another fetch quest to solve before you could enter) and got the treasure

spoiler (click to show/hide)
a jar that let you blow wind that you can use to unveil sand patches... it kinda control like the water jetpack of mario sunshine
[close]

alas i still have to see the boss

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EDIT:  LttP isn't the pinnacle of anything - it just doesn't have any notable flaws unlike all the better Zelda games (other than some occasionally shitty spritework).

i think LttP is just somewhat bland,seriously the oracles game beat the shit out of it,for example the music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYzehmQQapY

what does Lttp get?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVmRJoEe8s8

zzzzzzzzzz it sounds like a mosquito flying and you have to suffer it for every dungeon
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Post by: Positive Touch on November 12, 2011, 08:02:29 PM
fuckin kids these days

no appreciation for the classics
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 08:11:47 PM
ahahahaha, the tears of light are back, i was waiting for them to make an appearance.
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Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2011, 09:56:06 PM
Heh, GT gave it a 9.1. Complained about no voice acting.

The review has some spoilers, btw.
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Post by: Tasty on November 12, 2011, 09:59:26 PM
Unsurprised considering the absolute tongue bathing they gave TP (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/review-legend-of/15222).

I mean, I love TP, but that review...  :lol
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Post by: MCD on November 12, 2011, 10:10:26 PM
So this game is TP2?

Eww...
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2011, 10:19:57 PM
this game is nothing like twilight princess
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Post by: Positive Touch on November 12, 2011, 10:43:14 PM
sceneman will never be stopped
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Post by: brob on November 12, 2011, 10:45:34 PM
ooh, ooh, ooh! I only like Links Awakening and Wind Waker out of the Zelda games. And the only reason I like Wind Waker is because of the sailing and Tingle. Never made it further than the dark world in A Link to the Past and quit at the first dungeon in Ocarina of Time.

Do I win?
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Post by: bork on November 12, 2011, 10:47:01 PM
Only Zeldas I've liked are LttP and Link's Awakening. 
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 10:47:52 PM
So this game is TP2?

Eww...

Aside from no wolf, it might as well be.
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 10:58:09 PM
I think the biggest gimmick to this game is the motion plus. Every enemy has no AI. They just loop a series of patterns, and you have to slice the correct way. The problem is, motion plus is horrible. You slice sidesways, and Link will do a diagonal, which the game says is incorrect. Or you'll jerk the nunchuck and Link instead does his spin, or flip, which is also incorrect.

Right now I'm fighting this skeleton that moves its swords a certain way, and all I do is walk in a circle and slice at the correct motion. It's really boring.

Sometimes the Motion Plus goes completely haywire, and when you're trying to aim the Beetle, or the Slingshot, Link will go spaz and you have to auto-center the reticule by pressing on the d-pad. It's like they knew this tech is bad and planned for it.
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 11:00:13 PM
Maybe not a gimmick. a Detractor? It's just a huge drawback.
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 11:07:13 PM
The Stamina Circle is also a hugely unnecessary addition. Why is this here, and what purpose does it serve to limit me?
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Post by: Tasty on November 12, 2011, 11:29:08 PM
And the only reason I like Wind Waker is because of... Tingle. Never made it further than the dark world in A Link to the Past and quit at the first dungeon in Ocarina of Time.

:wag
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Post by: Wario64 on November 12, 2011, 11:31:09 PM
Motion Plus works fine to me. But I agree the AI is dumb as fuck. I feel like I'm playing an extended version of that sword game from Wii Sports Resort.

Also, how do I find this kid in Skyloft graveyard?
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 11:40:56 PM
You have to go at night time (sleep in a bed), then you push the stone thats right next to the tree. You might have to slap it with your sword first.
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Post by: demi on November 12, 2011, 11:43:02 PM
If you didnt have enough waggle, they gave me a whip now.
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Post by: Wario64 on November 12, 2011, 11:59:42 PM
Oh I didn't hit the grave. I guess it was a side quest anyway since I just skipped it and heading to the 3rd temple.
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Post by: demi on November 13, 2011, 01:17:36 AM
finally! a sweet boss. the whip temple boss. awesome fight.
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Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 13, 2011, 01:36:49 AM
so far the lttp detractors are brandnew, magoose, and owl-faced wizard

we all know the first two, but i want to shine the spotlight on owl-faced, he's a newcomer to the scene but he's already looking hungry for the shitty taste crown

does he have what it takes to take down the last-boss sceneman, though, is what everyone at home is wondering

I'm not a LttP detractor, I just think while there's not a lot wrong with it there's also nothing really exceptional about it.  Like I said, I've beat it more than the other games, but there are Zeldas I enjoyed more that I've yet to beat because, unlike LttP, they have annoying issues that make me lose interest.  Before the series started going steadily downhill (starting halfway through Wind Waker), I remember saying that while LttP is definitely not the worst Zelda, it's also the only one I couldn't make a decent argument for being the best.
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Post by: magus on November 13, 2011, 07:34:31 AM
I think the biggest gimmick to this game is the motion plus. Every enemy has no AI. They just loop a series of patterns, and you have to slice the correct way. The problem is, motion plus is horrible. You slice sidesways, and Link will do a diagonal, which the game says is incorrect. Or you'll jerk the nunchuck and Link instead does his spin, or flip, which is also incorrect.

Right now I'm fighting this skeleton that moves its swords a certain way, and all I do is walk in a circle and slice at the correct motion. It's really boring.

Sometimes the Motion Plus goes completely haywire, and when you're trying to aim the Beetle, or the Slingshot, Link will go spaz and you have to auto-center the reticule by pressing on the d-pad. It's like they knew this tech is bad and planned for it.

i think demi is exagerating on motion plus precision but to be fair... yeah in the end what he says about combat is right,the goblins are the worst,they never attack they just block so you can just hit them over and over until they block wrong

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The Stamina Circle is also a hugely unnecessary addition.

the whole desert would be pointless if there was no stamina bar as you need to keep dashing so you don't sink

there is a weird island on southwest and a guy that ask for help but i have no idea what to do
spoiler (click to show/hide)
he wants me to find some sort of wheel but i have no idea where it is
[close]

EDIT: allright i finished the 3rd dungeon... the biggest challenge? having the motion+ pick up my stabbing motion!

what happens after that?
filler happen!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT1hHgwcKjs
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 13, 2011, 10:49:18 AM
for the record, i really hate lttp as well. i still remember playing it at age 16 and going "this is it?"

Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Positive Touch on November 13, 2011, 12:37:20 PM
remember back in 91 when we had all those other action/adventure games with huge worlds filled with fantastic dungeons, quick pacing, loads of sidequests, secrets, and cutting-egde graphics & fantastic music to boot?  neither do i BECAUSE THERE WERE NONE

SMFH @ these kids (and one crotchety old man)
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 13, 2011, 01:08:27 PM
lol, they brought back the ship and gameplay from Wind Waker. A whole segment dedicated to it
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 13, 2011, 01:19:11 PM
i got the harp,you play it by waggling your wiimote back and forth and there are no specific song,the game just go "TIME TO WAGGLE" and you do so...

some place have butterflies near them and if you play your harp near these,a statue pops out and gives you a hint but other than that there seems to be no purpouse for it

i also did the first "TRIAL" it works like this,you have 15 thingamajig to get while you are chased by phantoms,if the phantoms hit you,you have to redo the whole thing again but everytime you get a thingamajig,they stop for 90 seconds,there are ghost patroling the area and if they find you,the phantom awaken instantly

so yeah it's like the worst of twilight princess with the worst of phantom hourglass,luckily the zone is not too big so it doesn't take much time and getting enough thingamajig that the phantom never end moving isn't too hard and the ghost aren't fast enough to catch you but still it's more annoying filler especialy considering all of this take place in a zone you have already cleared...

actualy speaking of filler,here's all i had to do to get from dungeon 3 to dungeon 4 just so that you can get an idea,there's no real big spoiler here but i'm putting it in spoiler tags for the especialy wimpy readers

spoiler (click to show/hide)
- return to forest zone to speak with exposition hag
- fight a boss by striking at his incredibily obvious weak spot
- exposition hag tells you to return to the city to talk with the mayor
- go talk with the mayor,he gives you a riddle involving the lighthouse
- go talk with npc near the lighthouse to get an hint involving two windmills
- but wait! one of the windmills is broken,the only way to repair it is to get a missing item but to get the missing item you need to speak with mechanic guy
- go speak with mechanic guy,he needs an item to get you what you need
- luckily you can and probably picked the item already before speaking to him but if you haven't return to desert zone
- return to volcano zone to search for the missing item
- finaly activate that damn lighthouse
- return once again to forest zone
- search for the trial place
- do the trial
- get a new item which let you explore new zone after so much pointless backtracking
- find the npc that reveal dungeon 4
- but wait! npc that reveal dungeon 4 wants a favor done!
- and here comes the point where it gets really really stupid... are you ready?
- 100% sure?
- the favor is to re-do dungeon 1 again! while the enemies are different from your first visit there are no new enemies,there is no new boss,the door are all still opened and the puzzle are already all solved (well there is one door that gets relocked just for shit and giggles i guess)
- of course you still need to return to the npc,ehy at least they don't make you backtrack to the exit of dungeon 1!
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Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 13, 2011, 05:32:59 PM
Sounds awesome. 
Re: LttP.  I just recently started playing it for the first time and it is the best Zelda.  Light exposition, varied areas, engaging dungeons, balanced difficulty, simple but clean presentation, and a nice arsenal all round out the package.  Only thing that bugs me is the CCPro is an uncomfortable controller to play anything on.  I'mma take another wack at it when the WiiU tablet is an option.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 13, 2011, 05:44:30 PM
The 2nd half of the game is way better than the first. The quests open up, you have tools to explore environments... etc.

The sandship level was pretty cool, and the boss fight as well.

Still havent found the paper for the bathroom yet... but I did a shitload of other stuff!
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 13, 2011, 06:09:05 PM
Oh and btw, still havent been able to fly at night. Despite what a certain someone has said.

Just saying.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 13, 2011, 06:10:43 PM
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I'm not a LttP detractor, I just think while there's not a lot wrong with it there's also nothing really exceptional about it.


when did you play it ? Did you play it when it came out or after the fact?

After the fact, so I have better perspective.  All my rankings are for how good the games are now, not how good they were when they were released - because that's just silly.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 13, 2011, 06:13:05 PM
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I'm not a LttP detractor, I just think while there's not a lot wrong with it there's also nothing really exceptional about it.


when did you play it ? Did you play it when it came out or after the fact?

After the fact, so I have better perspective.  All my rankings are for how good the games are now, not how good they were when they were released - because that's just silly.

:wtf
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on November 13, 2011, 06:13:52 PM
Sounds awesome. 
Re: LttP.  I just recently started playing it for the first time and it is the best Zelda.  Light exposition, varied areas, engaging dungeons, balanced difficulty, simple but clean presentation, and a nice arsenal all round out the package.  Only thing that bugs me is the CCPro is an uncomfortable controller to play anything on.  I'mma take another wack at it when the WiiU tablet is an option.

Regular CC is much better for SNES games.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 13, 2011, 06:21:47 PM
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I'm not a LttP detractor, I just think while there's not a lot wrong with it there's also nothing really exceptional about it.


when did you play it ? Did you play it when it came out or after the fact?

After the fact, so I have better perspective.  All my rankings are for how good the games are now, not how good they were when they were released - because that's just silly.

This is stealth trolling isn't it  :(

DC I played A Link to the Past a few years after it came out – I was a small kid, yeah, but my mom got it for me because she knew how much I enjoyed playing Zelda II on my dad's NES.  I remember beating two dungeons and just quitting because I lost interest.

I went back and played it after I beat Ocarina and started really loving Zelda.  I beat it and I was just meh on it.  I remember thinking it was weird how the Zelda game that was in my Gameboy was far more enjoyable for me than the console one.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 13, 2011, 06:42:41 PM
LttP is the best 2d Zelda.

LA has too much gimmick stuff like solving puzzles on the world map in order to continue.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 13, 2011, 06:44:51 PM
....

that's a gimmick?  I much rather that.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 13, 2011, 06:46:02 PM
Monkey needs coconut or banana or some shit in order for you to go to the next dungeon so you backtrack alllllllllllllll the way to the beach and then back allllllllllll the way to the monkey. zzz.

lttp is no shit, all da time, boy
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 13, 2011, 06:46:31 PM
LttP is the best 2d Zelda.

LA has too much gimmick stuff like solving puzzles on the world map in order to continue.

You're in luck, SS is chock full of this.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 13, 2011, 06:47:43 PM
LttP is the best 2d Zelda.

LA has too much gimmick stuff like solving puzzles on the world map in order to continue.

You're in luck, SS is chock full of this.

Fuck this game then.

SKYRIM
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 13, 2011, 06:50:05 PM
Monkey needs coconut or banana or some shit in order for you to go to the next dungeon so you backtrack alllllllllllllll the way to the beach and then back allllllllllll the way to the monkey. zzz.

lttp is no shit, all da time, boy

:lol :lol :lol
man you should read the spoiler i put up above

Quote
Oh and btw, still havent been able to fly at night. Despite what a certain someone has said.

Just saying.

i found an island that said something along the line of "you can find blablabla here but only at night!"
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: The Sceneman on November 13, 2011, 07:10:01 PM
:bow Last Boss Sceneman :bow2

I'm curious, what's one shit game that I like?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 13, 2011, 07:18:27 PM
Which island? Anything requiring leaving Skyloft you have to sleep in a bed. I have not done a quest that required me to fly at night.

i.e.

- Pumm's Pub for the singing mini-game - sleep in the bed there

- Beedle's Island - sleep in the bed inside while he's at Skyloft
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 13, 2011, 07:25:18 PM
ah yes i was refering to beedle island,was there a bed? i didn't notice it

anyway i'm done with dungeon 4,the boss was cool but i'm disappointed with the whip,you'd expect to go all indiana jones on your enemies but instead you press Z to target,you waggle once to snatch and again to pull... they might as well have called the thing "THE WAGGLESHOT" and the name would have been more appropriated
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 13, 2011, 07:34:27 PM
There's a goddess chest on his island, and you can only reach it when Beedle is at his island. To do that, you sleep in the bed inside his shack while he's at Skyloft. You can also talk to Beedle here, and see his special bug cage, which is involved with a quest (I dont know how to trigger / reach it).
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 13, 2011, 08:57:26 PM
Even if you don't pretend there haven't been advancements/higher expectations, there are later games that are worse.  I'm just saying that there are better games.  The Game Boy games even have better graphics.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 13, 2011, 09:01:55 PM
remember back in 91 when we had all those other action/adventure games with huge worlds filled with fantastic dungeons, quick pacing, loads of sidequests, secrets, and cutting-egde graphics & fantastic music to boot?  neither do i BECAUSE THERE WERE NONE

SMFH @ these kids (and one crotchety old man)

i owned this thing called a pc ... and an amiga
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Crushed on November 13, 2011, 09:03:39 PM
having just finished a LTTP playthrough, there are certain parts in the second half that fall a bit flat.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 13, 2011, 09:10:32 PM
like all the dungeons and boss fights
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Crushed on November 13, 2011, 09:12:57 PM
like all the dungeons and boss fights

i was lolling because it was literally just spamming the fire rod or arrows or sword slashes until it exploded, even ganon was pretty much that
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 13, 2011, 09:14:49 PM
You're in luck, thats majority of Skyward Sword! The first half anyway. The later bosses are much more fun to fight.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 13, 2011, 09:16:04 PM
:lol an amiga

yeah all those shitty euro games sure were great

massive props to the hardware, but almost all of the notable games on the amiga were the kind of shit games you'd find on an unmarked commodore 64 floppy with 20 games on it

even the pc was pretty lacking in decent *action* adventure games in 91 but ultima 6 had just come out so who fuckin' cares

black crypt, dungeon master 1/2, ultima 4-6 :o
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 13, 2011, 09:24:32 PM
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The Game Boy games even have better graphics.

Gameboy Advance i assume (?)

Nono, Link's Awakening and the Oracles.  Goes without saying that Minish Cap is better-looking than LttP.  LttP sometimes looks really good but two thirds of the sprites look like they were done by interns.

EDIT: Amiga was awesome >:(
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2011, 09:38:29 PM
LA>>>>>>>>>>LTTP
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 13, 2011, 09:53:50 PM
LA>>>>>>>>>>LTTP

hard yummy truth
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Positive Touch on November 13, 2011, 09:58:39 PM
LA>>>>>>>>>>LTTP

NO

la was smaller, had shit controls, had an annoying overworld that made you switch items on every screen to progress thanks to the shitty controls, had fetchquest shit like himu mentioned, also those fucking horsehead "puzzles"

its an amazing game, but it had some really notable flaws
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: brob on November 13, 2011, 10:02:28 PM
they should redo links awakening for a system that has more than two fucking buttons. That's the only thing that really bothers me when I play it.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 13, 2011, 10:04:26 PM
Not to mention LA's final boss was mega stupid. Most of the spinoffs do though.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 14, 2011, 12:22:06 AM
I GOT THE MASTER SWORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EVIL BE SCARED
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: MCD on November 14, 2011, 03:00:48 AM
I GOT THE MASTER SWORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EVIL BE SCARED
We all know Biggoron's Sword is the better deal.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 14, 2011, 03:12:28 AM
The Lavisa fight was pretty cool.

From the whip temple on is when the boss fights get actually interesting and fun to fight.

The dungeon involving the Time Cube/Orb is grossly under-utilized.

The tools in this game are rather tame and weak.


And yes, there is a Bow. lol
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2011, 06:53:59 AM
you just got the master sword? NOW you're in the second half, I'm guessing.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 14, 2011, 09:05:52 AM
No, there's 3 parts to the game

Part 1 - Obtaining the three pieces of the Tablet, which unlocks the world to explore (Result: You need to power up your sword to open the Gate of Time to meet Zelda)

Part 2 - Powering up your sword with the three flames, meaning you're heading back to each area again, but this time you enter a new area for each part (Result: MASTER SWORD)

Part 3 - You finally meet Zelda, who gives you a ton of info and powers up the Master Sword again, but this time you have to find the Triforce. To do this, you're heading back to each area -again- to find three pieces of the Song of the Hero, which will help locate it. (Result: TRIFORCE)

Part End - Fight Not-Ganon, have sex with Zelda
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 14, 2011, 09:18:36 AM
ehy demi i think i found your piece of paper but it's kinda complicated

spoiler (click to show/hide)
go to the entrance of the academy and you will find one of groose henchman and he'll ask you to deliver a letter,you can give the letter to who he wants you to give it or you can give it to the toilet hand
[close]

Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 14, 2011, 09:34:24 AM
What happens if you do either?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 14, 2011, 10:25:52 AM
What happens if you do either?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
i gave it to the girl and the girl refuse him but hook up with the guy with the yellow tunic and you get 5 gratitude crystals...

i tried reloading and give it to the hand but it had no immediate effect... probably if you give the letter to the hand then speak to the guy and then to the hand again you end up with 5 gratitude crystal the same
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http://www.destructoid.com/review-the-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword-215659.phtml

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Along the way, they encounter plenty of people, with concepts of sexuality and gender always bubbling right below the surface. First up is that guy I mentioned previously -- the sexually threatening, emotionally disturbed villain Ghirahim, who seems to represent the idea of unhinged, wholesale abuse of power. Then there is Impa, his female counterpart/nemesis, who similarly blends male and female gender archetypes together while exemplifying the greater virtues commonly associated with both sexes. Largely through dealing with these two characters, Link and Zelda learn what it means to be a man and a woman (respectively).

and this is why i hate everything and we can't have nice things :smug

uh anyway i did the second trials,i'm not sure if i'm inside the 5th dungeon or not,game hasn't sent me back to a previous area to do anything stupid yet so far but i'm still adding a notch for making me refight a previous boss for no real reason
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 14, 2011, 03:13:24 PM
fuck I hated that part, I died because I got there with only three hearts and that sunuva bitch scorpion can be kinda tough
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 14, 2011, 03:16:48 PM
What scorpion did you fight? The one I fought I just walked backwards in a circle and sliced its eyes. Then I poked the final eye after I blew it from the sand.

Did you unlock a hard mode. Tell me please
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 14, 2011, 03:29:30 PM
No it was in the main game: I had just kept a beating from those two Lizalfos and I never carry potions with me.  Also, those electrical blobs kept taking off hearts as well because I was too stupid to realize horizontal slashes did jack shit to them  :lol

The scorpion killed me because I failed at blocking his tail  :(
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 14, 2011, 04:09:17 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=32685952&postcount=760

Why doesnt Jarosh post here? What a loser.

At least he agrees the whip temple was good. At least I think that's the whip temple.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 14, 2011, 04:40:15 PM
yeah ancient cistern and the sandboat were awesome.  the boss on the boat :hyper

how do you rank this game in relation to past zeldas now that you've gotten to the better parts of this game, demi
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Jamie on November 14, 2011, 06:16:32 PM
Got my copy today! Played non-stop until the part where you're about to leave Skyloft. Really digging the motion controls and story, now if only the dungeons will match up I'll have enough incentive to actually finish this Zelda!
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 14, 2011, 06:56:34 PM
well i've finished dungeon 5,i reached the dungeon without any npc asking me to find 3 kinder eggs,or find his lost kitten,or stare at a wall for 10 minutes,it's a fucking miracle on earth i tell ya :o

the dungeon,i liked... the temple are so dull and stupid so it was a nice change of pace,the boss too was nice but i had a really stupid problem with it

spoiler (click to show/hide)
i kept doing vertical skyward slash wondering if i was doing any damage since the sound for a succesfull hit played but no actual damage was done,i went like that for like 5 whole minutes until i realized after charging i could do other moves other than vertical slashing...
[close]
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Jamie on November 14, 2011, 06:59:46 PM
Jamie is it pirated or did you buy it? And if you don't mind in what country do you reside? This could help me out in finding a copy sooner than later.

Hey Wrath, it's a review copy :D Got it from my friend who finished it for for his article and then loaned it to me!

I do believe they've already started selling copies in store over here already (western Europe). So if you live in Europe it might be worth checking out pop and mom and big chain stores.
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Post by: Jamie on November 14, 2011, 07:52:43 PM
Well that could help cause we saudis get games at about the same time you guys do when its early. Thanks a lot man!

NP. I know what you mean, I've been to Makkah and UAE once before and I definitely noticed everything regarding electronics is there really early! Especially in Dubai.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 14, 2011, 10:09:22 PM
Got the Hylian Shield by doing all 8 boss fights at the Thunder Dragon, woo woo
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 15, 2011, 12:07:59 AM
I started Beedle's Horned Colossus quest... but have no idea where to start. Oh well. Someone post if you find a solution... I need like, 13 more Crystals for the vampire.
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Post by: demi on November 15, 2011, 02:14:29 AM
lol, I'm at the final boss. They give one last bit of freedom before the final boss, so I stopped there... will beat the game tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Third on November 15, 2011, 07:04:45 AM
How would you rate it so far, Demi? Is it better than TP, or better than any previous 3D Zelda games??

I still haven't touched the game. Still playing Xenoblade.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 15, 2011, 09:37:03 AM
so i got all my tool slot filled... does it means i got all of them? cause that would be really fucking lame,like the lamest selection of zelda tool ever

spoiler (click to show/hide)
you get 2 projectile weapons in the bow and slingshot (3 if you want to count the beetle),2 wrap into thing items (the whip and the hookshot) bombs,the gust jar thing and a freaking bug net...
[close]
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 15, 2011, 09:50:21 AM
Yes, that's all of them
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 15, 2011, 12:45:03 PM
so i got all my tool slot filled... does it means i got all of them? cause that would be really fucking lame,like the lamest selection of zelda tool ever

spoiler (click to show/hide)
you get 2 projectile weapons in the bow and slingshot (3 if you want to count the beetle),2 wrap into thing items (the whip and the hookshot) bombs,the gust jar thing and a freaking bug net...
[close]
At least you use all of them pretty much equally.  Twilight Princess gave you a bunch of filler items that were used one two or three times.  Ball and Chain, anyone?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 15, 2011, 01:39:46 PM
I would argue the Slingshot barely gets use.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 15, 2011, 01:47:20 PM
well yeah, once you get the bow.  that's pretty typical in zelda games.  It got used even less in TP.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 15, 2011, 01:52:18 PM
The Gust Jar hardly gets use either, imo
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 15, 2011, 01:59:12 PM
It was used quite a bit from its dungeon to the sandship
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 15, 2011, 04:01:57 PM
i haven't used the whip that much either and frankly i don't really give a shit if they make you use your item more often or not

ball and chain rocked my world,i wish there was an item as cool as ball and chain here :fbm
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 15, 2011, 07:33:15 PM
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh wtf

The final boss is a disgusting wet fart. What was that? Ugh.

I hate how this entire game is some mishmash of bulshit to attempt to make all the games make sense. And of course the final answer they give is

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Everyone dies, they are reincarnated, it all starts over
[close]

Flop. Totally soured me.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 15, 2011, 07:48:17 PM
Real talk - worst 3D Zelda
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 15, 2011, 07:52:07 PM
jk this game is absolute tripe
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 15, 2011, 07:52:45 PM
wow way to ruin my 1 2 punch joke demi  :'(
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 15, 2011, 07:53:35 PM
Go to bed, Holmes
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: iconoclast on November 16, 2011, 01:30:05 AM
Damn, gamespot gave this a 7.5. Must be terrible
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: maxy on November 16, 2011, 01:31:33 AM
clicks on gamefaqs
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 16, 2011, 06:07:14 AM
Damn, gamespot gave this a 7.5.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v684/Guek/haters-brother-mario.gif)


But seriously, holy shit.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: archie4208 on November 16, 2011, 06:58:21 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/CcOGb.png)
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 16, 2011, 07:01:20 AM
I was talking mostly about gaf, I might go to gamespot forums today just so I can laugh my ass off.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=32733427&postcount=14419
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: archie4208 on November 16, 2011, 07:28:10 AM
the gaf replies aren't as good as a 7.5 zelda *should* produce

truly nintendo fans are a battered people who have accepted their fates

A new challenger approaches! (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=32735321&postcount=14717)
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Oblivion on November 16, 2011, 07:41:07 AM
the gaf replies aren't as good as a 7.5 zelda *should* produce

truly nintendo fans are a battered people who have accepted their fates

It's actually pretty scary in a way. I almost feel compelled to compensate, but I just can't muster the will.

Guess Nintendo's horrendous marketing machine for this particular title actually had some unintended positive consequences.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: magus on November 16, 2011, 07:43:25 AM
the gaf replies aren't as good as a 7.5 zelda *should* produce

truly nintendo fans are a battered people who have accepted their fates

gee oscar your lust for drama is insatiable

anyway to reach dungeon 6,you have to go to the start of area 2 and then from there you have to escort a robot to the entrance of dungeon 6

that's right,they put an escort mission in zelda in an area you already cleared (so escort + backtracking) and everytime the robot get killed,the game send you back to the start of area 2 and you have to walk all over again to where he died (at least enemies don't respawn!)
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Herr Mafflard on November 16, 2011, 07:49:09 AM
the gaf replies aren't as good as a 7.5 zelda *should* produce

truly nintendo fans are a battered people who have accepted their fates

They're still a long way off what I call 'gamer enlightenment', though (aka the 'cynical sega fan' status), of which I consider myself to be a part of

does that make you our buddha?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 07:51:12 AM
:rofl

Told you. WORST 3D ZELDA

I do not see myself playing this down the road. Just a huge mess.

As you play, all you can feel is that Nintendo was trying to pander to certain people. People who care about the timeline. People who wanted it "like" Ocarina, or whatever previous zelda. Nintendo was trying to reach that "level" of acceptance.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 07:59:33 AM
Ok, read the review. I agree with pretty much all of it. I even mentioned like majority of it in this thread.

:bow GameSpot
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 08:00:21 AM
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If you decide to be slow and precise rather than quick and efficient, new problems arise that ensure combat does not go smoothly. The Wii Remote has trouble recognizing your different swings. Often, you thrust forward in real life only to watch Link swing feebly in the game or just stand completely motionless. The sensitivity varies wildly so you're never quite sure how much force you need before the game recognizes your actions. As in the aforementioned situation, you may swing you arm while Link ignores you. Other times, you might adjust your grip so you go from holding on your left side to your right, only to see Link lash out and hit an enemy when you didn't want to do so. Most troubling of all is how the infrared aiming works. There are certain items that require you to aim at the screen. However, the calibration is frequently wrong, forcing you to tap down on the D-pad to recenter. This happens with alarming frequency, and when you find yourself in a heated battle looking directly at the ground, you'll curse the game for damning you with such a cumbersome control scheme.

Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Tasty on November 16, 2011, 08:13:20 AM
I figured there'd be one 7.x review.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of waggle and birds and shit!
Post by: Herr Mafflard on November 16, 2011, 08:20:12 AM
I figured there'd be one 7.x review.

Yeah me too. Some people just aren't ready for innovation and evolution.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Barry Egan on November 16, 2011, 10:23:47 AM
BrandNew, explain this travesty.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 16, 2011, 10:26:21 AM
saw this one comin', but after my absolute disaster of a prognostication about the future of the ds, i've gotten out of the "predict nintendo's failures" game
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Himu on November 16, 2011, 10:41:45 AM
AHAHAHAHHAA

You know, I usually buy games with my gut. And for the most part, SS looked like a turd in most if not all of its pre-release media outside of like one trailer.

That trailer gave me hope.

But man, I really should listen to my gut more often.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 10:50:44 AM
More people should have guts
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Tasty on November 16, 2011, 10:59:16 AM
Famitsu gave it 40/40, but lol Famitsu and whatnot. Although they did get Pokemon BW right. :bow2
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 16, 2011, 11:10:56 AM
So this is actually a turd? (relative ofc.)

Brilliant.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 16, 2011, 11:14:11 AM
Edge always gives a 10 to Zelda or Halo.


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Super Mario 64 (Nintendo 64) - E35 (1996)
Gran Turismo (Sony PlayStation) - E55 (1997)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Nintendo 64) - E66 (1998)
Halo: Combat Evolved (Xbox) - E105 (2001)
Half-Life 2 (Windows PC) - E143 (2004)
Halo 3 (Xbox 360) - E181 (2007)
The Orange Box (Windows PC, PlayStation 3, Xbox 360) - E182 (2007)
Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) - E183 (2007)
Grand Theft Auto IV (PlayStation 3, Xbox 360) - E189 (2008)
LittleBigPlanet (PlayStation 3) - E195 (2008)
Bayonetta (PlayStation 3, Xbox 360) - E209 (2009)
Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Wii) - E215 (2010)
Rock Band 3 (PlayStation 3, Xbox 360) - E222 (2010)
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword (Wii) - E234 (2011)

See a pattern? Them guys love Nintendo and Bungie.

Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: magus on November 16, 2011, 11:15:09 AM
So this is actually a turd? (relative ofc.)

Brilliant.

this game is not a turd

Didn't it get a 10 in EDGE.

What gives?

but the 10 of edge is stupid
twilight princess is still the better zelda if you ask me
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 16, 2011, 11:17:40 AM
I think Zelda SS can only be awarded a 10 if you judge it solely against other Zelda's.

On it's own compared to other games it could never score a 10.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 11:17:53 AM
Not a turd, but not the best 3D Zelda either. It's like an incest fuckbreed of all the mishmashes of other Zeldas, mostly from the BAD parts of those Zeldas.

And that stupid timeline.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 11:18:20 AM
I think Zelda SS can only be awarded a 10 if you judge it solely against other Zelda's.

On it's own compared to other games it could never score a 10.

Sorry, SS takes a steamer from Majora. Not a 10
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 11:19:25 AM
TP is the best Zelda, I agree with magoose for once.

SS puts TP in a better light, that's for sure.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 16, 2011, 11:19:43 AM
Oh I trust you Demi.

I'd pirate SS but it's not worth the time to install Dolphin imho and waste space on my HDD.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Jamie on November 16, 2011, 11:30:02 AM
Oh I trust you Demi.

I'd pirate SS but it's not worth the time to install Dolphin imho and waste space on my HDD.

WHAT

This game is perfect on Dolphin, if only I had a rig  :'(
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Barry Egan on November 16, 2011, 11:53:01 AM
I hope the lackluster reception makes Miyamoto consider retirement. 
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Trent Dole on November 16, 2011, 12:40:40 PM
Isn't the Zelda series more Aonuma's babby than Shiggy's  at this point?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 16, 2011, 01:36:23 PM
man, playing it makes me just wanna play twilight princess again. demi's right; this is a mashup of the WORST parts of zeldae past
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Barry Egan on November 16, 2011, 01:43:30 PM
Isn't the Zelda series more Aonuma's babby than Shiggy's  at this point?

Odds are whatever "tea table" feedback Shiggy offered made it worse than it could be. 
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Himu on November 16, 2011, 01:49:50 PM
Didn't Miyamoto say this would be "last" Zelda if it's not up to their standards?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 16, 2011, 01:50:31 PM
I still love this game  :'(
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Barry Egan on November 16, 2011, 01:52:17 PM
that'd be great.  it just seems like this Zelda has been steeped with trivial minigame quirkiness that has become his signature. 
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 16, 2011, 01:53:03 PM
man, playing it makes me just wanna play twilight princess again. demi's right; this is a mashup of the WORST parts of zeldae past

this is the worst possible feedback
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 16, 2011, 02:00:19 PM
well, the boss fights are awesome. shame there's SO FEW OF THEM because lol minigames lol escorting LOL STATUS METER WAAAAT

i mean, the disjointed design direction completely overwhelms ANY complaints one might have about waggle -- it would still be a C+ game if it used standard controls
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Third on November 16, 2011, 02:08:10 PM
Can't Nintendo patch this game for normal controls??
I'd rather play this with my pro-controler.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 02:27:00 PM
well, the boss fights are awesome. shame there's SO FEW OF THEM because lol minigames lol escrpoting LOL STATUS METER WAAAAT

i mean, the disjointed design direction completely overwhelms ANY complaints one might have about waggle -- it would still be a C+ game if it used standard controls

the few boss fights you come across are good, except they recycle like, 3 of them.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2011, 02:38:45 PM
First time clicking on this thread.

What the fuck, you guys are insane.


They finally make a Zelda cutting out all the filler and just make it 90% pure puzzle solving/dungeon exploring gameplay with actual level designs instead of big boring fields and stupid towns of npcs you don't want to talk to and do errands for, and you guys hate on it.

Again,

What the fuck

The motion controls kind of suck at times, and are kind of great at other times (depends on the action), so it evens off.  Rest of game is great though if you like Zelda, well except the depth of field pastel blur effect which looks like a 5 year old playing with photoshop, but the visuals in general are a great middleground between TP and WW.

I dunno, maybe it FALLS APART COMPLETELY.  But about 8 hours in it's probably the best zelda since Wind Waker's first half.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 03:07:37 PM
First time clicking on this thread.

What the fuck, you guys are insane.


They finally make a Zelda cutting out all the filler and just make it 90% pure puzzle solving/dungeon exploring gameplay with actual level designs instead of big boring fields and stupid towns of npcs you don't want to talk to and do errands for, and you guys hate on it.

:rofl what zelda have you been playing?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 03:11:45 PM
The entire INTRO is a useless errand quest in a stupid town of npcs I have to talk to.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 16, 2011, 03:18:22 PM
well, the boss fights are awesome. shame there's SO FEW OF THEM because lol minigames lol escrpoting LOL STATUS METER WAAAAT

i mean, the disjointed design direction completely overwhelms ANY complaints one might have about waggle -- it would still be a C+ game if it used standard controls

the few boss fights you come across are good, except they recycle like, 3 of them.

arrrrrgh. well, any remaining motivation i had is GONE
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 16, 2011, 03:20:43 PM
bebpo will fall in love with any game that gives him a blushing waifu like zelda

if you're a total ghiblifag i could see the FIRST LOVE AND ADVENTURE WOOO MANCHILD TIME limerence overwhelming your critical faculties; thankfully, i was born soulless
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 03:23:54 PM
Some good boss fights, imo:

Whip Temple - Nice and big enemy, and you can pick up its own sword against it
Sandship - Giant octopus, nice setup
Lavias - Fighting on top of a giant sky whale

Turd fights:

Ghirahim - Annoying to fight, just deflected all his arrows instead (his final form is probably the best incarnation) - You fight this guy 3 times
The Imprisoned - STUPID - and you fight him THREE TIMES
The bomb boss - WTF is this joke? Run up and down a hill
Scorpion - Exciting... slice his two claws then blow him out of the sand - you also fight this boss 2 times
NOTGANON - Absolutely awful final boss fight, what a disappointment (best boss fight imo is Wind Waker, followed by OOT)
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 03:24:58 PM
lol, I think I just posted every boss in the game.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Third on November 16, 2011, 03:45:56 PM
God, I can't believe this game is worse than Twilight Princess. I will probably not get past the second or third dungeon this time around  :-\
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 16, 2011, 03:47:54 PM
eh, i liked scaldera or whatever, even if it was easier than tp's fire temple boss (and that's saying something)
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Oblivion on November 16, 2011, 03:59:24 PM
fuuuuuuuuuuuuu this sounds pretty bad.

I was thinking that this may be the Zelda version of NSMBW, but the one thing the latter had going for it was its fuck awesome level design. SS however... D:
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Himu on November 16, 2011, 04:00:58 PM
time to buy a 360, oblivion
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 04:07:22 PM
I think this game is a stepping stone for Link finally getting a VA. During your pre-talk with NOTGANON, he calls you a piece of shit and you can't beat him and he's gonna cum inside Zelda's corpse.

Link's reply:

> : (

For a straight minute
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Tasty on November 16, 2011, 04:21:21 PM
fuuuuuuuuuuuuu this sounds pretty bad.

I was thinking that this may be the Zelda version of NSMBW, but the one thing the latter had going for it was its fuck awesome level design. SS however... D:

Demi still hasn't answered me about how good the actual dungeon designs are.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 04:29:33 PM
They're "ok" - but they're mostly one giant circle. Theres a lot of twists and turns involved in this circle, but it usually ends up wtih you pulling a switch that opens a locked door that was at the start of the room.

Some dungeons have some neat features that are heavily underused. For example the Time Shift Orb/Stone in the Lanryu Desert area.

The last dungeon you do has this neat feature where you can re-arrange the rooms to set up reaching certain areas.

I dunno, none of them really tested my knowledge or made me go "hmm", or enter one room only to find I need a key from a certain part from a different section.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 16, 2011, 04:30:26 PM
fuuuuuuuuuuuuu this sounds pretty bad.

I was thinking that this may be the Zelda version of NSMBW, but the one thing the latter had going for it was its fuck awesome level design. SS however... D:

Sounds more like the Zelda version of NSMB DS. :yuck
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: magus on November 16, 2011, 04:31:56 PM
was there ever a dungeon in a zelda game that made you go "mmm" beside the always famous water temple? 3D zelda has always been about doing the most obvious thing like a lab rat which is why i never liked it that much

anyway i got the first part of the hero song so i guess i'm near the end? i see i have to fight that dumb IMPRISONED boss again :maf
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 04:35:06 PM
lol, wait until you get to the Water Dragon part. This game ISNT filler :teehee
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2011, 04:39:12 PM
I'm quitting this forum, you guys have the worst gaming taste ever.

fwiw, the moe-zelda is one of my few complaints about the game.  The intro is really distinguished mentally-challenged bad.  But you can't complain that it has a boring errand 3 hour intro, every 3d Zelda EVER has had a boring long errand intro until you get into the puzzle solving dungeons.  It's a non-issue you can't complain about unless you complain about EVERY 3d ZELDA EVER.

Once you get past the intro though and get to the surface, the game is pure gaming goodness without the filler that's usually present in Zelda if you skip all the sidequests in the sky town (which I skip).  It's just smartly-designed levels with puzzles one after another.  Gaming goodness.  But I'm guessing the fact that it's linear means it's just another "hold up and watch explosions game" to EB posters.  Would rather jerk one off to the "walk around anywhere and do nothing" Bethesda games.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 04:40:08 PM
Uh, and you wouldnt think they would consider this especially after the complaints for TP? Why would it get a pass now?

The whole POINT to Skyward Sword is that "we listened, finally, seriously, really"
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2011, 04:45:33 PM
Wind Waker had that, which is why I never replay it.
OoT has that, which is why I still haven't touched the 3DS remake.

I never replay 3D Zelda games because the intro is always such a chore.  But whatever, you deal with it and march through it and then enjoy the actual game.  They will NEVER ever, get rid of the intro build up to dungeon exploring in Zelda games.  Zelda games are rpgs now, not arcade games with instant satisfaction.


PS. None of the Zelda games have had any semblance of a challenge since Zelda 2.  Easy games can still be fun, see Wind Waker 1st half.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 04:46:52 PM
I never complained of the challenge, I accept I am god tier.

Here's some jarosh posts that I agree with as well. He really sums it up better.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=32648429&postcount=391

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=32661766&postcount=569

I accept that there is no "bad" Zelda game. It's just with each one, it goes lower and lower on the list.

I beat this game the other night and I asked myself. Do I see myself replaying this?

No, no I do not.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: magus on November 16, 2011, 04:52:42 PM
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in fact, she frequently re-iterates stuff you already know instead

i like it the best when you reach the boss door and she goes like "master! this door is very big! there is an 85% chance there is something important behind it!"

she's like the robotic sidekick of captain obvious

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I never replay 3D Zelda games because the intro is always such a chore.

bebpo the filler isn't just the intro,i had to put spoiler here and there everytime i went specific about it but i'll be shocked if you don't smell the bullshit when you reach it
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2011, 04:54:19 PM
There are bad Zelda games.  They are the two games on the DS, especially Spirit Tracks which is the worst game Nintendo has ever made and near unplayable.

I read Jarosh's posts and I disagree.  His first post about the controls/combat doesn't matter to me because I don't feel Zelda is a game played for combat at all, and never has been.  You just slash at things or run by them, it's not any better or worse than it's always been.  And I just LOVE LOVE LOVE the pre-dungeon areas, they're the reason why this has been such a great Zelda so far.  The pre-dungeon areas are being essentially mini-dungeons is something I would rather have than the old "run around big overworld doing sidequests to unlock next dungeon".  I enjoy linearity if it means making a game less slow fillerish, more straight to the point fun content.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 16, 2011, 04:55:49 PM
jarosh nails pretty much everything, I'd agree with that.  But he seems to really enjoy the game a lot.  I still think this is my favorite Zelda game since Majora's Mask.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 04:56:35 PM
I've never played Spirit Tracks or beyond the first hour of Phantom Hourglass.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2011, 04:57:01 PM
If the game gets fillerish like the 2nd half of Wind Waker, I'll bash it then.

I'm just saying the first 8 hours of the game have been a great so far.  Also I skip all the dialogue blue girl says and most npcs.  I don't care about the "whismy" in Zelda games, I just play them for the gameplay which is fun.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 16, 2011, 04:57:27 PM
they're terrible
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 16, 2011, 04:57:49 PM
  I enjoy linearity if it means making a game less slow fillerish, more straight to the point fun content.

then you'll love uncharted 3 :teehee
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 04:59:25 PM
Another issue is the fact that they give you the answer to everything in the game. Did they produce a guide for this game? A Premium Guide? The entire game has the solution to every problem and sidequest available at the press of a button. When I posted about the Beedle quest, I remembered about the Sheikah Stone at Skyloft, and sure enough, it told me where to go. What point in buying this $30 Premium Guide?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2011, 04:59:59 PM
My favorite Zelda is probably Wind Waker if I don't actually replay it and just go by my memories of the game without all the time sailing being bored out of my skull.  Best visuals, story, world, some good dungeons.

Twilight Princess was completely forgettable BUT the dungeons were fucking good and there were many of them, so it's sort of a great great Zelda that is just unmemorable. 

OoT was cool; never been able to replay it because of the slow pace at the start, but it was fun back in the day.  MM was cool but didn't have many dungeons iirc.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 16, 2011, 05:01:34 PM
two dungeons in, and skyrim has had better designed dungeons than this :teehee
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Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2011, 05:02:17 PM
  I enjoy linearity if it means making a game less slow fillerish, more straight to the point fun content.

then you'll love uncharted 3 :teehee

I'm sure I will.  The hate for linearity in games has become a joke with this forum.  I guess you all hated console gaming pre-X360 since just about everything was linear until sandbox games and wrpgs appeared on consoles.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2011, 05:03:24 PM
If every game was like Skyrim I would quit gaming.

You need a balance of "HUGE WORLDS TO EXPLORE" and "tightly scripted level design".
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Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 05:04:23 PM
I enjoyed Darksiders.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 16, 2011, 05:05:21 PM
darksiders is the second best zelda game released this gen (after tp)
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 16, 2011, 05:06:20 PM
  I enjoy linearity if it means making a game less slow fillerish, more straight to the point fun content.

then you'll love uncharted 3 :teehee

I'm sure I will.  The hate for linearity in games has become a joke with this forum.  I guess you all hated console gaming pre-X360 since just about everything was linear until sandbox games and wrpgs appeared on consoles.

what does linearity hafta do with anything? you forced the comparison to skyrim; we just continued to troll you :teehee
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Post by: Himu on November 16, 2011, 05:07:05 PM
Bebpo. The first Zelda put you in a huge world where you could tackle dungeons so long as you knew how to get to them. It defined non-linear. To many of us, we still think of Zelda an embodiment of that philosophy.

If anything, Skyrim has taken the mantle for what Zelda used to be: exploring unknown locations just for the joy of it, and being rewarded for it, constantly. With Skyrim, why bother with Zelda?

And what does linearity have to do with ANY of the complaints posted in this thread?
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Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2011, 05:08:13 PM
That's half the complaints for SS, that it's completely linear in the pre-dungeon areas and the dungeons themselves.  That they've removed the world to explore and replaced it with bite sized linear romps.  Responding to Jarosh's gaf writeup btw.

I'm just saying I think it's an improvement to the franchise and not a drawback.
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Post by: Crushed on November 16, 2011, 05:08:41 PM
Spirit Tracks actually has really good dungeons, bosses, and music, it's just that it has an overworld that was like they were deliberately trying to create controversy. PH is garbage.


also the fetishism regarding a 25 year old famicom game with obtuse and arbitrary old design as the paragon of an entire series is getting a bit too gaf in here
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Post by: Himu on November 16, 2011, 05:10:06 PM
Fetishism? It is merely an observation. The original Zelda is outdated and old hat. I'm just saying that lumping Zelda with linearity is a fool's mistake.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 16, 2011, 05:10:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5p2CE.png)
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 16, 2011, 05:10:55 PM


also the fetishism regarding a 25 year old famicom game with obtuse and arbitrary old design as the paragon of an entire series is getting a bit too gaf in here

agreed
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Post by: Himu on November 16, 2011, 05:12:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5p2CE.png)

This pic is always so dumb. I liked WW and TP upon release and still do. The only Zelda I ever changed my mind on was Majora's Mask and that was mostly due to expecting more OoT when it came out.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 16, 2011, 05:13:25 PM
Man, wrpgs are awesome.

*high-five*
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 16, 2011, 05:14:21 PM
I would play it anyway, but I'm done pretending like the Wiimote is an even remotely acceptable videogame controller. At least with TP, you could play the superior GC version.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 16, 2011, 05:37:49 PM
I feel the same way about keyboards.  No dweebs, devices built around the aspect of word processing are not effective or intuitive ways to play genres that aren't "_______ teaches typing" :teehee

And I've yet to see any wrpg that field/dungeon design consists more than -get lost in a maze and go up against different congregations of enemy types-
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Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2011, 05:40:02 PM
That was a terrible post
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 16, 2011, 05:54:04 PM
Sorry I didn't run it by my editor.  Much like the ds input, motion control will never be accepted by nerds until someone 'acceptable' standarises it.  I can point to at least 10 people on this forum who mysteriously changed their stance on touch gaming as ios rose into mindshare.

And yes, I've dabbled in the wrpg space and once you take out all the narrative fluff and the illusion of choice, you're left with what amounts to elementary level design that they try to compensate with arbitrary subsystems that reward obsessive compulsive tendencies.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 16, 2011, 05:55:06 PM
But then again I like pokemon.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 16, 2011, 06:08:02 PM
Touch gaming still sucks even on iOS, but at least with an iProduct you can pretend to have one for legitimate purposes, like watching porn on the toilet.
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Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 06:10:08 PM
Touch gaming still sucks even on iOS, but at least with an iProduct you can pretend to have one for legitimate purposes, like watch porning on the toilet.

A man after my own joystick :heart
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 16, 2011, 06:16:22 PM
It works when the game design respects the limitation.  I'm not hating on ios, but rather hypocrites who are obviously trying too hard to fit in.  Unfortuneatly, I don't wanna hump any of you and will never conform to the hate zeitgest.

   As for Skyward Sword, I think it focuses on being a game first from what I've seen, although I do fear it might have too much exposition.  It definitely does not need to emulate the shit wrpgs try to pass as game design.
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Post by: magus on November 16, 2011, 06:28:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u4SI02WjA8

emcee is robin williams daughter? :o
why... i never...
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 16, 2011, 06:38:46 PM
All these pr pieces are gonna do is form a creep nintendork Zelda Williams cult.  Poor girl.

GTA would be fun if they made your abilities conducive to interacting with the open world in a meaningful way.  Think Crackdown or Hulk Ultimate Destruction.  Hulk was a fun sandbox game because it had running up walls, super jumps, a combo system.  You could grab inflatable car dealership decals and float around.  Or flatten a car and skateboard.  And raising the threat level summoned awesome mechs you could swing ball and chains at while on a rooftop.  Yeah, fuck Rockstar.
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Post by: Oblivion on November 16, 2011, 06:43:45 PM
Btw, what's with everyone getting the game so early?
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Post by: Tasty on November 16, 2011, 06:57:18 PM
also the fetishism regarding a 25 year old famicom game with obtuse and arbitrary old design as the paragon of an entire series is getting a bit too gaf in here

Agreed.

I would say Link to the Past should be the bar for the series. An amazing amount of freedom, but you actually know where you're supposed to go and what to do (unlike the first two games.)
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Post by: Tasty on November 16, 2011, 06:58:18 PM
I feel the same way about keyboards.  No dweebs, devices built around the aspect of word processing are not effective or intuitive ways to play genres that aren't "_______ teaches typing" :teehee

And I've yet to see any wrpg that field/dungeon design consists more than -get lost in a maze and go up against different congregations of enemy types-

I feel so similarly its eerie. PC gamers can have their smelly FPSs and point/clickers, everything else should be made with a controller in mind.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2011, 07:03:38 PM
RTS
Strategy
Puzzle

...other genre better with a mouse & KB
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Post by: iconoclast on November 16, 2011, 07:05:08 PM
WoW and other MMOs would be unplayable with a controller. When I played, practically every key on my keyboard was bound to something and I constantly had to make space for new macros and such. +all of the UI mods that made raids less of a hassle
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 16, 2011, 07:08:40 PM
FPS
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Post by: Tasty on November 16, 2011, 07:10:50 PM
Well screw those games too.  :'(
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 16, 2011, 07:30:04 PM
But what would Zelda Fitzgerald think?
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Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 07:35:05 PM
:rofl

What point did that video prove? That Nintendo is stuck in the past?
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Post by: Barry Egan on November 16, 2011, 08:04:51 PM
I think it proves that Nintendo's marketing team knew even they couldn't save this turd and decided not to waste any talent or resources for the commercials. 
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Post by: Himu on November 16, 2011, 08:25:33 PM
:smug
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Post by: Barry Egan on November 16, 2011, 08:25:49 PM
All things told it still sounds like a pretty good game even if it's a second tier Zelda.  But yea, fuck motion controls.   
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 16, 2011, 08:38:19 PM
nicca we have pretty much the same taste in games.  I think you'll really enjoy it.

I'm about to do the end game stuff.  Only thing so far that has absolutely bothered me is the collectathon for the Hero melody.  But even still, it doesn't get anywhere near the annoyance of the triforce pieces or the seeds of light or whatever
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Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 08:48:11 PM
lol, the Hero of Song is not filler, what are you talking about?

I LOVED doing all of the desert section so much I WANTED to go all the way back to the Forest to plant a tree to get an item to go back to the thunder dragon

I LOVED using the intuitive swimming controls to catch tiny tadpoles to complete the song for the water dragon because it definitely was not filler

I LOVED jumping to the volcano to find the fire dragon, only to be WHISKED away into a stealth segment because I FUCKING LOVE THAT

No filler; ALL KILLER
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Post by: demi on November 16, 2011, 08:51:19 PM
Link's Epic Adventure - or - Why I bought my next door neighbor's groceries because he had the fucking key I needed
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 16, 2011, 10:33:50 PM
Man, wrpgs are awesome.

Aren't there, like, only a handful of WRPGs released every time period, though, and half of them are BioWare?
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 16, 2011, 10:34:27 PM
Bioware makes RPGs? :teehee
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Post by: tiesto on November 16, 2011, 10:40:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u4SI02WjA8

emcee is robin williams daughter? :o
why... i never...

Wow... she talks like my dream woman :heartbeat
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Post by: Bebpo on November 17, 2011, 02:04:10 AM
Ok, the controls are pretty bullshit.  Mainly the bomb controls.  I fucking hate them so bad.  I just finished up the 2nd dungeon and most of the damage taken within the dungeon is from accidently blowing myself up from the damn controls.  Then the boss...man, grrrrr...  My neighbors probably wonder why I was cussing so loudly for 10 mins straight.  I wanted to break the goddamn wiimote during that fight.  Isn't the point of motion controls to make things MORE SIMPLE.

Yet:
HIT B TO EQUIP BOMB -> LIFT UP -> SWING DOWN -> HOLD A TO RUN -> HIT B TO EQUIP -> LIFT UP -> SWING DOWN -> HOLD A TO RUN -> ARM OUT TO SWORD EQUIP -> SWING SWING SWING -> HOLD A TO RUN -> HIT B TO EQUIP -> LIFT UP -> SWING DOWN.  There's way too much switching back and forth between hitting A, hitting B, swinging your arm with B hit, with B not hit, etc... and then the camera is going spazzy and you're hitting Z as well as moving around with the analog.  ARGHGARHGHG.

I've been ok with the motion controls for everything else, but bombs are a goddamn disaster.  Also swinging your sword is pretty fucking bad too.  On all the enemies where you need to swing for a specific direction or they block it, I usually end up just spazzing out swinging in every way and hoping I land a hit and start a combo.  It's one thing to require precise strikes for puzzles when you can take your time to move your hand into position, but when you need to do it fast the game is distinguished mentally-challenged because when you move to the starting position it'll think THE MOVE is a slash and so you need to slow it down but you also need to do it quickly before the opening is gone.  Ok, maybe motion controls were a bad idea for this game.

Still loving the game, just think some of the controls are stupid.  It's definitely the worst controlling Zelda game yet.
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Post by: magus on November 17, 2011, 06:33:32 AM
oh god the tadtones :lol
i just wish i had a video to show

let's just put it this way

FETCHQUEST THAT TAKES PLACE UNDERWATER
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 17, 2011, 07:05:33 AM
I'm 100% with Himuro on this one.

Zelda used to be for me, this huge world where I could wander around in and explore and have, with a main quest to be finished. But then it's stopped delivering that since the exploring part went to hell (after WW) and they keep reusing so many things it doesn't feel fresh.

Now I get this fix in WRPG's and MMO's (Dark Souls counts too, although it way too hard for me. Nintendo could have made a Dark Souls like Zelda, maybe with slightly easier combat, but the same idea.)
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Post by: demi on November 17, 2011, 08:05:48 AM
Dont worry guys, yu will see just how lame this new game is. I think BrandNew is posting under his alt "Nintendo-4Life" in the other thread. :lol
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Post by: magus on November 17, 2011, 09:22:33 AM
so demi... i'm just done with the 3 dragons,how long until the end? i assume

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return to the whale
return to the temple of time
final dungeon
final boss
?
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Post by: demi on November 17, 2011, 09:28:30 AM
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> Return to the whale
> Return to Skyloft
> Do another Silent Realm :teehee
> Unlock final dungeon
> Do final dungeon (no boss involved)
> Go to Temple of Time
> Story
> Fight Ghirahim
> Fight NOTGANON
> Game Over
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Post by: magus on November 17, 2011, 07:30:54 PM
well alright i have finished it,it was decent i guess,lot of nice music and it looks really lovely,i like the npc especialy a lot,every single one of them seems to came out from a disney movie,the NPC are what i like the most,especialy the pub,the cutscene too are directed greatly and have lot of character in it

but it still play like every other 3D zelda ever,bomb the cracked wall,hit the switch with your bow,i don't think i ever understood how people can go crazy over this kind of "connect-the-dots" gameplay especialy when the game keeps pointing out everything like some sort of crazed tour guide

soooooooo anyway,here comes the part where i complain a lot,what i don't like?

- The Motion Control: now wait a second,i'm not here to complain about how precise the motion+ is (altough i would lie if i didn't say that some time i ended up taking damage because the game didn't register a stab motion correctly or that i ended up swinging when i didn't want too) what bother me is that for this to be "THE MOTION CONTROLLED ZELDA" there is barely any motion controlling to do at all! most of the tool control exactly how they did in twilight princess,you'd think they put some weird tool to play the strenght of the motion+ but they go on the total opposite,most safe and boring route possible... i was expecting like a super version of zack & wiki and what i got is a game that could have been made as well with normal controls

swordplay is the only thing that make use of the thing but in fact the whole swordplay could have been all redirected to something like an analog stick and it wouldn't have lost anything in the transition (actualy it would register that damn stab attack everytime instead of when it feels like it)

most disappointing is the final boss (once again i'm putting this in spoiler for the wussies but if you consider this a spoiler i'm going to laugh at you)
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you'd expect to go all "lightsaber duel" on his ass using the motion+,what happens instead is that you wait for him to attack,dodge to the right and hit him back making him like every final boss in a 3D zelda game evah
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there is something wrong that when i combine the words "waggle" and "zelda" together what comes in my mind is still this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e2STU_wqGM

look at dat waggle! :o

- the filler: good lord it's impossible to do anything in this game without someone asking you to do a favor for him,it start with some fetch quest and you think to yourself "ehy at least i'm exploring a new area" but by the time you reach part 2,people will start to ask you to backtrack to zone you have already seen for no other reason than increasing the hour counter and you'll go :( and when you reach part 3 you will tell to yourself "i tought nintendo learned with that lame triforce hunt :'("

particular mention to those stupid trials which become increasingly more annoying and pointless as they progress,they unite fetch questing,stealth and backtracking all in a single package of dullness

- laziness from nintendo: there are only 6 dungeon in the game or should i say 6 dungeon and a half... the last dungeon use a mish mash of room and puzzle idea from previous dungeon because they couldn't bother making a new place to end it all,remember that cool castle in twilight princess where you finished the game? there is no cool shit like that here to see at all,the dungeon all return to the dull "temple this" and "temple that" that were the previous 3D zelda,gone are all the cool place like the pyramid and the snow mountain of TP,the dungeon have no mid-boss to fight (unlike TP where each dungeon had one) with a single exception in dungeon 5 (curiosily also the only dungeon that's good) some bosses get re-used too and you end up fighting them more than once,this is not like "we put a boss rush at the end of the game! have fun" more like "oh... we need something here,here's something you already did,do it again!"

the tool too,there is no cool toy like ball & chain or that weird spinning top,what you get instead are variant of tool you have already seen in different occasion,the beetle is like the only one that feel's like they put some tought behind it and even that most of the time you use it, it is to make thing explode from afar or hit a switch from a-far

those are the big one if i had to be more nitpicking

- the upgrading: well let me put in this way,i finished the game and i never ugpraded a single item once,none of the upgrade are really usefull enough that you would want to bother to gather the material and spend the money on it,so why the heck did they even bother? you'd think they would let you do stuff like increasing your bomb capacity or health upgrade but nooooooope for that you need to pay money,now it's cool that i can finaly spend my rupee into something worth but you have introduced another kind of useless trinket so we only came back full circle

- fi: more often than not,she pops out,says something incredibly obvious in her robotic auto-tuned super annoying voice and then return back to where she came,did i tell you guys i miss TP already? :fbm

- oh oh a stupid stone told me something and then asked me "did you get that?" when i replied "yes" the stone then replied "i heard a rumor you are like a super genius that understand everything when he's told the first time" good thing this game respect his player >:(

mmm... what else,the sidequest are nice but most of the time they just boil down to fetch an item,it's a far cry from all the stuff that was in a game like majora,there are some mini-game like an archery minigame but seriously isn't that shit in like every zelda game?

by all means it's good and i had fun when i was done with the filler (and even the filler is still less annoying than certain stuff i did for getting a 1000/1000 in certain games... the tales of an achievement whore :fbm)  but i can't see anyone getting swayed to zelda team by this game and for me it just hammer more and more  how nintendo games are getting creatively bankrupt (yes i said creatively bankrupt)
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Post by: Trent Dole on November 17, 2011, 07:55:11 PM
Half a point less good than Uncharted 3? PASS
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Post by: Bebpo on November 17, 2011, 10:19:42 PM
I read magus' review and I like the game less already.  How can they only have made
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SIX
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dungeons.  Nintendo are so lazy when it comes to the Zelda franchise.  I don't really get it,  Mario gets these huge games with tons of STRAIGHT TO THE POINT CONTENT, no bullshit (or very little of it) and just lots of pure gameplay.  Whereas Zelda is always struggling to even have a solid amount of dungeons and instead gets most of its gameplay hours from filler thrown in between the dungeons to pad the length.  If they need more time, give it to them; more staff, give it to them, more MONEY, give it to them.  These games sell millions.  There's no excuse for the laziness in the Zelda franchise. 

And then you have stuff like the DS games where it just seems like Nintendo doesn't even care that their flagship franchises are churning out budget shit game entries.  I don't get why Zelda is so hard for Nintendo while Mario is pretty easy for them to give what people want.  At least Metroid, outside of Other M, has been handled with care. 
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 17, 2011, 10:39:11 PM
I don't get the complaint at the lack of an overworld, as everything I've seen points to 4 separate overworlds albeit not interconnected by land travel.  But like its not like they get locked off to you.  You can always go back for crafting ingredients and heart pieces. I similarly don't get the complaint about the lack of dungeons, as it seems the overworlds are full of puzzles ranging from traversal, combat, and mechanical stuff to complement the actual dungeons themselves.  People bitching about motion controls seem like the same sorta rigid lamers who don't want to ever adjust from the muscle memory they spent building up for 15+ years. 

The most offensive thing I've heard is that you revisit an unaltered dungeon once for no good reason.  Everything else just sounds like an exploration based mission with an activity tacked onto it, which is what 75% of the bomber notebook stuff was in Majora's Mask. 

I think you all just don't like Zelda.  Which is fine.  I don't like Kirby games.  But its something I've accepted long ago and going to continue being apathetic about.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 17, 2011, 10:42:37 PM
And metroid is probably gonna take a break for a good long while if not permanently.  I would argue Retro/Nintendo/Sakomoto didn't succeed at making the series accessible enough to remain relevant. 
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Post by: etiolate on November 18, 2011, 02:16:16 AM
It would be foolish for Nintendo to think that Metroid will be anymore popular than it has been. It's a luxury line sort of title.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 18, 2011, 03:43:30 AM
The whole Metroid revival happend at all because Prime 1 sold over a million copies.  It became apparent they weren't going to hit that mark again, especially after Other M bombing.  Going from Echoes to Corruption you can tell where they tried to make certain aspects MUCH more straightforward.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 19, 2011, 04:23:45 AM
Finished dungeon #3

You know, even if this was the best Zelda game ever in level design, story, graphics, music, etc... it'd still lose like 2 points and be an 8/10 because of the goddamn motion controls.  If this game was playable with a normal controller it'd be pretty damn great.  I'm still really happy with the game design 12 hours in; however the controls are just FRUSTRATING AS FUCK.  Like ever since the Wii came out the most difficult motion for the wiimote to register has always been a z-axis thrust.  SO WHY DON'T WE MAKE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU NEED TO THRUST REAL FAST OR YOU GET HIT.  I think I got a succesful thrust about 1/4th of the time and the other 3 times he'd do some type of swing, get bounced and take damage.  So fucking frustrating. 

The wii and it's motion controls are the worst thing to come to gaming.  Thank god at least the Mario games are sensible enough to not use any of the motion crap and just have an occasional waggle spin with 95% of the game being traditional analog control.  The controls in this game hurt it so badly.  The only thing that is improved by the motion controls is the 1st person flying/shooting stuff.
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Post by: Lafiel on November 19, 2011, 04:29:19 AM
You know, even if this was the best Zelda game ever in level design, story, graphics, music, etc... it'd still lose like 2 points and be an 8/10 because of the goddamn motion controls.  If this game was playable with a normal controller it'd be pretty damn great.  I'm still really happy with the game design 12 hours in; however the controls are just FRUSTRATING AS FUCK.  Like ever since the Wii came out the most difficult motion for the wiimote to register has always been a z-axis thrust.  SO WHY DON'T WE MAKE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU NEED TO THRUST REAL FAST OR YOU GET HIT.  I think I got a succesful thrust about 1/4th of the time and the other 3 times he'd do some type of swing, get bounced and take damage.  So fucking frustrating. 
Not that i dislike the controls of skyward sword, but the whole implementation isn't even justified in any case, the whole game could have been designed with the standard controller, and it wouldn't loss much at all, other then losing the free-slash combat system, which isn't even that great anyway.




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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 19, 2011, 10:28:21 AM
Cant believe Magus didnt like this  :o
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Post by: patrickula on November 19, 2011, 10:40:46 AM
So this game is worse than TP? I didn't even like TP that much  :'(

Good thing we've got Skyrim and Dark Souls.
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Post by: Rman on November 19, 2011, 10:54:25 AM
Finished dungeon #3

You know, even if this was the best Zelda game ever in level design, story, graphics, music, etc... it'd still lose like 2 points and be an 8/10 because of the goddamn motion controls.  If this game was playable with a normal controller it'd be pretty damn great.  I'm still really happy with the game design 12 hours in; however the controls are just FRUSTRATING AS FUCK.  Like ever since the Wii came out the most difficult motion for the wiimote to register has always been a z-axis thrust.  SO WHY DON'T WE MAKE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU NEED TO THRUST REAL FAST OR YOU GET HIT.  I think I got a succesful thrust about 1/4th of the time and the other 3 times he'd do some type of swing, get bounced and take damage.  So fucking frustrating. 

The wii and it's motion controls are the worst thing to come to gaming.  Thank god at least the Mario games are sensible enough to not use any of the motion crap and just have an occasional waggle spin with 95% of the game being traditional analog control.  The controls in this game hurt it so badly.  The only thing that is improved by the motion controls is the 1st person flying/shooting stuff.
How'd you get it early, Bebpo.
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Post by: maxy on November 19, 2011, 02:49:16 PM
http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/19/review-skyward-sword/ (http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/19/review-skyward-sword/)
Quote
Conclusion

The more I played Skyward Sword the less I liked it. Like many Nintendo games or even consoles, there are some core features and gimmicks that can be entertaining under very specific circumstances, yet they’re utterly bogged down by obsolete conventions, repetitious filler, and undeniable proof that the Wiimote flat-out doesn’t work as a viable replacement for a standard controller. I did enjoy parts of it here and there, and if you only own a Wii then it’s not like you have many other quality options available to you, but as Nintendo refocuses on next year’s Wii U, this game acts as a somewhat disappointing sendoff to the console that, for better and for worse, changed the gaming industry forever. Even when the many flaws or ineffective controls aren’t getting in the way, it’s all just so familiar. Skyward Sword imitates not only other, better role-playing games and past Mario/Zelda titles, but it also copies and pastes massive chunks of content from within itself as well. I know that fans and Wii loyalists will rabidly delight in this game, but until Nintendo learns some new tricks or, at the very least, can keep up with other modern day developers, I think I’ve finally, reluctantly, outgrown the Zelda series. 65 out of 100

 :violin
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Post by: demi on November 19, 2011, 03:21:10 PM
Nailed it, just from the title alone
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Post by: demi on November 19, 2011, 03:23:05 PM
Meanwhile, Bethesda Softworks announced earlier in the week that rival action-RPG The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim has been awarded over 50 perfect reviews globally. It’s this kind of blind arrogance that proves Nintendo executives operate within a bubble, while the fact that Skyward Sword suffers from many of the same shortcomings that befell Twilight Princess suggests that shortsightedness extends to their development teams as well.




Ouch... ether to the highest calibur
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Post by: demi on November 19, 2011, 03:29:09 PM
Great review, shame he didnt talk mad shit about Fi unfortunately. But everything else is very spot-on. Love the ending sentence, too.
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Post by: Trent Dole on November 19, 2011, 03:43:07 PM
Lots of butthurt in the comments as well. :lol
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Post by: magus on November 19, 2011, 03:54:48 PM
I think I got a succesful thrust about 1/4th of the time and the other 3 times he'd do some type of swing, get bounced and take damage.  So fucking frustrating. 

no no no bebpo the controls are perfect and gamespot it's the demon itself!
didn't you see in this video how precise and perfect the control are?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEge_2Vuft0

http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=166723

you should just show some more faith in his eminence miyamoto! or maybe it's because you aren't schooled in waggling
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Post by: Trent Dole on November 19, 2011, 04:31:10 PM
Right, look at how stiff and exact his arm is. Does motherfucker have a fencing background or some shit? No way most people are going to effortlessly be that precise.
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Post by: Third on November 19, 2011, 05:52:42 PM
Currently in dungeoun 3 and this is definitely the worst 3D Zelda I've played so far. The motion controls are so fucking tiring.
I don't want to waggle my way through the game anymore. And the whole game is soooooo slow.  Don't think I'm going to finish this considering TP bored me to death before I quit playing it.
And this is heading in the same direction.

Another potentially(?) good game ruined by motion controls.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 19, 2011, 06:50:19 PM
Ha haters devasted by tacky nintendo fansite youtube.  We get it folks, you apparently don't have the coordination to pull off Links 1337 moves.  Personal problem.
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Post by: brob on November 19, 2011, 06:56:28 PM
look at his fucking face. Is that how people enjoying this game act while playing?
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 19, 2011, 07:29:25 PM
Holy shit even nintards hate on this. Finally. Hopefully Nintendo will put some effort in soon.
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Post by: Himu on November 19, 2011, 08:03:34 PM
AHAHAHAHA

ZELDA had a good run. Twilight Princess was a decent swan song. I'll just replay Majora's Mask and LTTP.
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Post by: Bildi on November 19, 2011, 08:14:02 PM
The one fucking game that I'll unpack my Wii for and it's rubbish?  I even bought the package with that dumbass Motion plus bundled in.

I'll try not to read the impressions, go in expecting the worst, and hopefully find it OK. :lol
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Post by: Oblivion on November 19, 2011, 08:23:19 PM
Wow, Zelda's coming out tomorrow and I don't even care. Didn't even bother to pre-order this bitch. Will probably pick it up in the middle of the week. Or not.

 :violin
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Post by: Oblivion on November 19, 2011, 08:43:09 PM
The talk about the dungeons is probably the most disappointing thing. Even the most rabid TP hater would at the very least grudgingly concede its temples were fucking amazing.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 19, 2011, 08:51:26 PM
AHAHAHAHA

ZELDA had a good run. Twilight Princess was a decent swan song. I'll just replay Majora's Mask and LTTP.

@_@

You're going to love this game himu himu

It has flaws like every 3d Zelda game, but it's also great like every 3d Zelda game. 


But the controls do suck and you just gotta deal with playing a good game w/bad controls.

The talk about the dungeons is probably the most disappointing thing. Even the most rabid TP hater would at the very least grudgingly concede its temples were fucking amazing.

I think the dungeons are fairly solid so far.  The "pre-dungeons" are almost like dungeons themselves (just as long and full of puzzles and a new item) and some are great.  The pre-dungeon for dungeon #3 was awesome. 
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Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 19, 2011, 08:55:15 PM
The dungeons in TP were every bit as boring and phoned-in as the rest of the game.
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Post by: Oblivion on November 19, 2011, 09:21:36 PM
The dungeons in TP were every bit as boring and phoned-in as the rest of the game.

Incorrect.
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Post by: Trent Dole on November 19, 2011, 11:19:23 PM
I know pretty much all the reviewers have shat on this but holding the box and looking at it at work makes me wonder how it can be :poop. It just looks so fucking cool~ :hyper I'll end up getting it and hating the excess waggle like everyone else I'm sure.
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Post by: Bildi on November 20, 2011, 01:20:28 AM
I hated the shield bash in TP - if this game is full of stuff as annoying and that... :-\

Wow, Zelda's coming out tomorrow and I don't even care. Didn't even bother to pre-order this bitch. Will probably pick it up in the middle of the week. Or not.

 :violin

I wasn't going to get it.  But then I saw that shiny golden box and my inner Zelda fanboy completely took over. :duh
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Post by: Bildi on November 20, 2011, 01:24:01 AM
I know pretty much all the reviewers have shat on this but holding the box and looking at it at work makes me wonder how it can be :poop. It just looks so fucking cool~ :hyper I'll end up getting it and hating the excess waggle like everyone else I'm sure.

I went on Gamerankings to see the shitty reviews, but they've all given it good scores?  I know better than to trust reviews, but it can't be THAT bad surely?

Nobody mention GTAIV's reviews please.
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Post by: Oblivion on November 20, 2011, 02:29:57 AM
I know pretty much all the reviewers have shat on this but holding the box and looking at it at work makes me wonder how it can be :poop. It just looks so fucking cool~ :hyper I'll end up getting it and hating the excess waggle like everyone else I'm sure.

I went on Gamerankings to see the shitty reviews, but they've all given it good scores?  I know better than to trust reviews, but it can't be THAT bad surely?

Nobody mention GTAIV's reviews please.

Well, people didn't shit on/walk back GTA4's scores until long after it was already released.


Btw, gaming-age is still around? wtf?

http://www.gaming-age.com/review/wii/legend_of_zelda_skyward_sword
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Post by: magus on November 20, 2011, 05:08:43 AM
have you finished dungeon 3 bebpo? after dungeon 3 it's the part where the real filler start,i'm really curious to know what you think about it
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Post by: maxy on November 20, 2011, 10:56:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_5rV47Zb14
 :rofl
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Post by: Bebpo on November 20, 2011, 02:07:47 PM
have you finished dungeon 3 bebpo? after dungeon 3 it's the part where the real filler start,i'm really curious to know what you think about it

I haven't had a chance to play after dungeon #3 yet.  Will probably play a bunch today since it's weekend and after I clean up from last nights crazy party at my place I got no plans and a fridge full of left over pizza.  Will see if the filler bugs me.
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Post by: demi on November 20, 2011, 02:35:14 PM
Toys R Us here had no Golden Bundles, so I guess I can hope Amazon doesnt crunch and munch my shit.
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Post by: cool breeze on November 20, 2011, 05:54:19 PM
the text speed is unreal.  I can't believe how slow it is, or how you can't skip what you've already read.  I'm cutting bamboo and every time there is 20 seconds of the same text from this tubster.  even jrpgs let you increase the text speed.

the flying controls are straight up jank.  the analog stick doesn't even do anything.

why after all the criticism of Twilight Princess' slow start is there another 2+ hours of cutscenes and tutorials  >:(

game seems cool and the sword stuff is fun (though finicky) but there are already so many niggles that simply don't need to be here.  I get making things easy for children because they're dumb, but some of this stuff is just unnecessary.  Like, you move with the analog stick, but when you fly you move with motion controls.  what. 
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Post by: Bebpo on November 20, 2011, 07:17:40 PM
the text speed is unreal.  I can't believe how slow it is, or how you can't skip what you've already read.  I'm cutting bamboo and every time there is 20 seconds of the same text from this tubster.  even jrpgs let you increase the text speed.

the flying controls are straight up jank.  the analog stick doesn't even do anything.

why after all the criticism of Twilight Princess' slow start is there another 2+ hours of cutscenes and tutorials  >:(

game seems cool and the sword stuff is fun (though finicky) but there are already so many niggles that simply don't need to be here.  I get making things easy for children because they're dumb, but some of this stuff is just unnecessary.  Like, you move with the analog stick, but when you fly you move with motion controls.  what.

After playing this I've come to the conclusion Zelda games are targeted at mentally deficient people and it just happens that other people find them enjoyable as well.

My largest pet peeve on the "game is for idiots" factor is how everytime you start a new session whenever you get an item/insect it has to EXPLAIN WHAT THEY ARE.  Nevermind that you ALREADY HAVE 10 OF THEM IN YOUR INVENTORY, but you must have forgotten what they are since the last time you turned the game on yesterday!   :maf
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Post by: cool breeze on November 20, 2011, 07:24:22 PM
also, Ayanami Rei is 1000000 times more annoying than Navi. 

"MY SCANNERS INDICATE THAT WE HAVE ENTERED A FOREST.  85% PROBABILITY THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.  I HAVE MARKED IT ON YOUR MAP.  PLEASE SET A BEACON TO SHOW A MARKETING IN THE WORLD."
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Post by: Bebpo on November 20, 2011, 07:25:12 PM
You can speed up text by holding a combination of the buttons.  I hold A/B and mash stuff and it moves faster so I can ignore her. 
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Post by: demi on November 20, 2011, 07:26:52 PM
you can hold A but the increase is so marginal, smaller than a japanese peepee
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 20, 2011, 08:19:42 PM
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this game isn't good :'( :'( :'(
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Post by: Oblivion on November 20, 2011, 08:24:55 PM
Stop it, Drinky! You're starting to make me worry.  :(
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 20, 2011, 08:30:14 PM
even the graphics in their dithered 16-bit rendering are kinda fugs :-(

i dunno, at its heart, there's a proper zelda game struggling to get out, but it is SO weighed down by the cruft of nintendo trying to be nintendo -- trying to be the most HELPFUL and the most QUIRKY and the most DIVERSE and the most SINCERE and the most RE-INVENTIN'-EST game EVER -- that it doesn't seem to realize that the core game got drowned in the process

looks like some reviewers got snookered by all the decorations, too
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Post by: pilonv1 on November 20, 2011, 09:47:18 PM
Sounds like the game is firmly planted in 2006
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Post by: Oblivion on November 20, 2011, 09:59:06 PM
I'm still gonna get the game, no doubt, but I'm no longer jizzin for it.

In the mean time I'll probably start Minish Cap.
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Post by: Bildi on November 20, 2011, 10:04:28 PM
Well, people didn't shit on/walk back GTA4's scores until long after it was already released.

So you're saying this could be even worse than GTAIV.

the text speed is unreal.

Argh. 

Got to stop reading these impressions.  Go stare at pictures of the golden box instead.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 20, 2011, 10:32:50 PM
The text is really the least of it's problems.  I'm usually quick to call slow text unplayable in an rpg, but it's not frequent enough to be an issue here.  There are bigger fish to fry with this game.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 20, 2011, 10:48:03 PM
as i told tvc: it's not a BAD game overall; it's just firmly up its own ass.
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Post by: tiesto on November 20, 2011, 11:05:58 PM
Just beat the first dungeon... I'm actually liking this more than I thought I would... even the controls haven't really gotten on my nerves yet (very surprisingly). Oh well, we'll see how things go.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 20, 2011, 11:17:31 PM
controls are tolerable. it's the REST of the game that sucks.
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Post by: Oblivion on November 20, 2011, 11:26:43 PM
What about the dungeons.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 20, 2011, 11:30:12 PM
weak. small, even if you count the pre-dungeon areas. very few of them.
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Post by: pilonv1 on November 20, 2011, 11:53:07 PM
So it would be better to play Wind Waker again than this if I wanted a Zelda fix?
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Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 21, 2011, 12:00:11 AM
Play one of the Oracles games, they are boss.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 21, 2011, 12:12:47 AM
I still think this game is wonderful.  It's what I've wanted in a Zelda game in a long long time.  I love Twilight Princess, but as I was playing it I was thinking of the same criticisms that reviewers are directing towards Skyward Sword.  Only after two or three playthroughs of TP did I finally come to terms with what I enjoyed.

Skyward Sword engrosses me in a story and setting that I enjoy and tickles my fancy, controls that I'm comfortable with, and a gameplay design that makes more sense to me than standard overworld-town-dungeon that's found in past Zelda games.  To me, the entire game feels like 6 huge dungeons with 6 more focused dungeons at the center of each area.

I love the artstyle, the controls, the audio design, and the gameplay.  It's still easy, but I find myself much more engrossed in this game than I have in the last four zelda games.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 21, 2011, 12:51:33 AM
usually for most people on this forum, that would be a clear cut message that the game sucks

:p
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 21, 2011, 01:04:47 AM
it comes down to how much you're in love with the wannabe ghibli zelda aesthetic. me, i hate the manufactured quirkiness, and it DEFINITELY doesn't compensate for the disjointed mechanics, the endless handholding, and sketchy core content. i despise every kooky animu character and wish they'd get the FUCK out of my zelda puzzle dungeon game.
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Post by: Oblivion on November 21, 2011, 01:07:27 AM
But some reviewers say it's the closest Zelda we've had to Majora's Mask.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 21, 2011, 01:33:42 AM
So magus, I've been doing the post dungeon #3 stuff and I love it.  Lots of fun things to do while progressing the plot forward.  In fact, I've come to the realization that Skyward Sword is not about the dungeons.  So far all the pre-dungeon stuff, and Skyloft stuff, and the other stuff I'm doing when not in a dungeon has been better than the 3 main dungeons I've done.  The game is more of an adventure game this time around and you're always moving forward in the trip.  Then you get to dungeons and it's just the same old tried-and-true zelda dungeon design that's been going on so long it's kind of the least inspired, but at least solid, part of the game.

I think the aesthetic for the game is real nice.  Not as good as Wind Waker, but so much better than TP.  Good music too. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Loving the harp stuff
[close]
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 21, 2011, 03:00:36 AM
Gametrailer says the game world feels really empty, like even the big towns have only few people.

True/false?
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Post by: cool breeze on November 21, 2011, 03:29:51 AM
I like this game a lot even with all the problems.  It really has a lot of problems.  At times it feels like a parody of Zelda because of how Ayanami Rei is SUPER Navi.  There are times when I'm walking into an area, can already see what I need to do, and think "please, Ayanami Rei, don't do your whole shit shtick.  let me just play the game."  And then "ANALYSIS SHOWS THERE IS A 95% CHANCE DO THIS AND HOLD MY HAND BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH."  You don't even get a "hey, listen".

It's like the antithesis to Dark Souls.  That game is about learning through experience.  This game discourages you from learning because Ayanami Rei keeps interrupting you.  It's not even, "hey, listen"

Other things too, like how that annoying 'low health' beep now signals when you're at 3 hearts.  It's a small change, but when I got down to 3 hearts become the bomb controls are so fucked that Link can't decide to roll or toss and blows himself up instead, yeah, I don't need constant beeping to tell me my health.  Maybe if it was one heart, like when it matters.  But three hearts? you used to start these games with three hearts. 

and I think playing too much Wii has hurt my eyes.  Coming back to my PC felt like putting on glasses.

and to be clear, I played it a lot because I really like it.   This is just bitching just 'cause.  Also, Avalanche should make Just Cause 3 in Pandora from Avatar.  Jumping off flying islands onto birds and shit like that.

also, the 'gold' wii remote plus is pretty nice because it's all matte.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 21, 2011, 03:36:24 AM
Bomb controls really are the worst.  How did they even think that was a good idea after testing.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: magus on November 21, 2011, 05:44:54 AM
So magus, I've been doing the post dungeon #3 stuff and I love it.  Lots of fun things to do while progressing the plot forward.  In fact, I've come to the realization that Skyward Sword is not about the dungeons.  So far all the pre-dungeon stuff, and Skyloft stuff, and the other stuff I'm doing when not in a dungeon has been better than the 3 main dungeons I've done.  The game is more of an adventure game this time around and you're always moving forward in the trip.  Then you get to dungeons and it's just the same old tried-and-true zelda dungeon design that's been going on so long it's kind of the least inspired, but at least solid, part of the game.

I think the aesthetic for the game is real nice.  Not as good as Wind Waker, but so much better than TP.  Good music too. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Loving the harp stuff
[close]

bebpo are you talking about the sidequest or what you need to do to move the plot forward? because i can't see anyone liking...
spoiler (click to show/hide)
backtracking to volcano zone
backtracking to forest zone
do one of those horrible trial
5 minute of new content
return to dungeon 1 because we promised 50 hours of game
[close]

Quote
Bomb controls really are the worst.  How did they even think that was a good idea after testing.

eeehhh i never had a problem with bombs
now stabbing? that thing is annoying and broken yes
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: naff on November 21, 2011, 07:26:46 AM
Yeah I found bomb control fine. And yes, stabbing is a bitch, other waggle/motion control gestures work as directed for me. I've only put in a little over 4 hours though, so I've barely gone past the opening areas. I have had it for a while now, but everytime I sit down to play a game Skyrim comes calling.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 21, 2011, 08:04:12 AM
it comes down to how much you're in love with the wannabe ghibli zelda aesthetic. me, i hate the manufactured quirkiness, and it DEFINITELY doesn't compensate for the disjointed mechanics, the endless handholding, and sketchy core content. i despise every kooky animu character and wish they'd get the FUCK out of my zelda puzzle dungeon game.

I know what you mean re: manufactured quirkiness - gives me a One Piece vibe.  Dragonball Z with pirates  :-X
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 21, 2011, 11:57:28 AM
it comes down to how much you're in love with the wannabe ghibli zelda aesthetic. me, i hate the manufactured quirkiness, and it DEFINITELY doesn't compensate for the disjointed mechanics, the endless handholding, and sketchy core content. i despise every kooky animu character and wish they'd get the FUCK out of my zelda puzzle dungeon game.

I know what you mean re: manufactured quirkiness - gives me a One Piece vibe.  Dragonball Z with pirates  :-X

exactly. fuck one piece.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Himu on November 21, 2011, 11:59:28 AM
I uh

I feel betrayed by that post
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 21, 2011, 12:37:15 PM
countertroll measures, brah. stay out of the flak zone
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 21, 2011, 04:09:14 PM
I didn't even know it was possible to be annoyed by this game's style/quirkiness.  I guess I'm more uguu~ than I thought
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Post by: Barry Egan on November 21, 2011, 04:15:51 PM
it comes down to how much you're in love with the wannabe ghibli zelda aesthetic.

The AV Club review does a lot to confirm this theory:

Quote from: av club dude
The only blight—and it’s so significant that it threatens to derail the game—comes in the form of the Wii MotionPlus control scheme. Carving up the air with a Wii remote supposedly results in tense, Errol Flynn-like sword battles against the game’s skilled opponents. Yet these moments, which are the foundation on which the entire game is built, devolve into shameful exercises in arm-flailing. How good is Skyward Sword? Good enough to overcome this wholly unnecessary handicap.

No, Skyward Sword isn’t better than Ocarina Of Time. But of all the Zeldas to be released over the last 13 years, it comes closest. The game’s greatest achievement is that it never stops aspiring to be more than it is. It never stops reaching for emotional moments, going full-tilt for players’ hearts. Before Skyward Sword’s final battle, Zelda turns to Link and says “You’ve come so far.” Those four words may not sound like much out of context, but within the game, they’re enough to make even the most jaded gamers reach for the Kleenex.

He gave it an A.
 
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Don Flamenco on November 21, 2011, 04:18:27 PM
ugh.  reminds me of some post i read on gaf yesterday....something to the effect of "you'll love this game if you're in for a cinematic experience and a deep story."   guess what bitch?  you're not describing a game anymore, you're describing a movie. 
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Bebpo on November 21, 2011, 04:19:02 PM
So magus, I've been doing the post dungeon #3 stuff and I love it.  Lots of fun things to do while progressing the plot forward.  In fact, I've come to the realization that Skyward Sword is not about the dungeons.  So far all the pre-dungeon stuff, and Skyloft stuff, and the other stuff I'm doing when not in a dungeon has been better than the 3 main dungeons I've done.  The game is more of an adventure game this time around and you're always moving forward in the trip.  Then you get to dungeons and it's just the same old tried-and-true zelda dungeon design that's been going on so long it's kind of the least inspired, but at least solid, part of the game.

I think the aesthetic for the game is real nice.  Not as good as Wind Waker, but so much better than TP.  Good music too. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Loving the harp stuff
[close]

bebpo are you talking about the sidequest or what you need to do to move the plot forward? because i can't see anyone liking...
spoiler (click to show/hide)
backtracking to volcano zone
backtracking to forest zone
do one of those horrible trial
5 minute of new content
return to dungeon 1 because we promised 50 hours of game
[close]


I'm still in the middle of doing all that, but so far it's been fun, yeah.  Having warp points everywhere makes the backtracking far more tolerable than most recent Zelda games.  That + shortcuts + dash.  And when you do backtrack, you're doing something new in the old location so it still feels fun and plot advancing.

I dunno, I think the game might work better when you're not marathoning it in long sessions.  When you're playing an hour or so a day, and always making some sort of advancement, it's fun!  Unlike Trails of the Sky FC where I can play 3 hours and feel like nothing's happened.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 21, 2011, 04:42:54 PM
"you've come so far" measures to "you've been to the same 3 places like 20 fucking times, you getting bored yet?"
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 21, 2011, 05:15:04 PM
"But in the end, Link, it doesn't even matter"
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7
Post by: Robo on November 21, 2011, 05:24:00 PM
it comes down to how much you're in love with the wannabe ghibli zelda aesthetic.

The AV Club review does a lot to confirm this theory:

Quote from: av club dude
The only blight—and it’s so significant that it threatens to derail the game—comes in the form of the Wii MotionPlus control scheme. Carving up the air with a Wii remote supposedly results in tense, Errol Flynn-like sword battles against the game’s skilled opponents. Yet these moments, which are the foundation on which the entire game is built, devolve into shameful exercises in arm-flailing. How good is Skyward Sword? Good enough to overcome this wholly unnecessary handicap.

No, Skyward Sword isn’t better than Ocarina Of Time. But of all the Zeldas to be released over the last 13 years, it comes closest. The game’s greatest achievement is that it never stops aspiring to be more than it is. It never stops reaching for emotional moments, going full-tilt for players’ hearts. Before Skyward Sword’s final battle, Zelda turns to Link and says “You’ve come so far.” Those four words may not sound like much out of context, but within the game, they’re enough to make even the most jaded gamers reach for the Kleenex.

He gave it an A.
 

Also,

Quote from: av club dude
Skyward Sword also happens to be genuinely funny. Before a battle, a chatty robot advises Link, “Tighten up whatever it is you humans have instead of bolts.” And it’s crowded with so many carefully observed human moments—the insecurities of the island bully, the faded dreams of the pot-bellied swordsman—that it makes other games seem icy and lifeless by comparison. During an era where game-makers busily tout their impressive technology (Battlefield 3’s Frostbite 2 engine), or extensive spoken dialogue (The Old Republic), Nintendo wisely lets the technology disappear into the background, allowing the game’s soul to surface.

This guy.  :-\
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 21, 2011, 05:55:31 PM
:uguu
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 21, 2011, 06:01:21 PM
that review makes me throw up in my mouth a little
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Barry Egan on November 21, 2011, 06:12:15 PM
the game is fundamentally broken, but as a Nintendo fan you will identify so intimately with the depressed pot bellied swordsman NPC that you won't care.  A
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 21, 2011, 06:31:49 PM
He was my favorite character. The jiggle physics were so surreal. Like I was actually masturbating.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: pilonv1 on November 21, 2011, 06:44:18 PM
"This game has characters so shallow even a wingless fly couldn't drown. But compared to other games that don't let me feel like I'm 8 years old again, it has soul. A"
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: magus on November 21, 2011, 06:53:37 PM
i was discussing with someone the edge review again and they made me notice this passage

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When later acts see entire regions double back on themselves – either reinvented as terrifying stealth scrambles or disrupted by ill-tempered deities – you wonder if Nintendo has found the secret to infinite level design.

and to think edge is perceived as one of the most prestigious gaming journalist outlet :fbm

meanwhile the gamespot review is seen as the most horrible incorrect thing because they said aiming is controlled trough IR while this is not true (it's controlled by the motion+) the motion+ is calibrated at the start trough the IR making the mistake easy to make

double :fbm

Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 21, 2011, 07:02:04 PM
I got to the entrance of the first dungeon.  Only confirms what bitter old men some of you are.  Best combat and "overworld" and music I've played in a Zelda yet.  And the whimsy is off the charts :hyper 
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Post by: Bebpo on November 21, 2011, 07:03:42 PM
i was discussing with someone the edge review again and they made me notice this passage

Quote
When later acts see entire regions double back on themselves – either reinvented as terrifying stealth scrambles or disrupted by ill-tempered deities – you wonder if Nintendo has found the secret to infinite level design.

and to think edge is perceived as one of the most prestigious gaming journalist outlet :fbm

meanwhile the gamespot review is seen as the most horrible incorrect thing because they said aiming is controlled trough IR while this is not true (it's controlled by the motion+) the motion+ is calibrated at the start trough the IR making the mistake easy to make

double :fbm

Wait, the game is going to have stealth parts?

Nooooooooooooooooo.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 21, 2011, 07:04:12 PM
Oh and the stamina bar allows sooooo much fluid traversal.  Its a parkour fueled dream for a franchise that has been set in trudge mode for decades.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: magus on November 21, 2011, 07:06:22 PM
i was discussing with someone the edge review again and they made me notice this passage

Quote
When later acts see entire regions double back on themselves – either reinvented as terrifying stealth scrambles or disrupted by ill-tempered deities – you wonder if Nintendo has found the secret to infinite level design.

and to think edge is perceived as one of the most prestigious gaming journalist outlet :fbm

meanwhile the gamespot review is seen as the most horrible incorrect thing because they said aiming is controlled trough IR while this is not true (it's controlled by the motion+) the motion+ is calibrated at the start trough the IR making the mistake easy to make

double :fbm

Wait, the game is going to have stealth parts?

Nooooooooooooooooo.

ahahahahahahah :lol
you are going to get the first one pretty soon but don't worry bebpo,if you get found it's pretty easy to evade the guards before they touch you,still it's pretty annoying because it's stealth + another bunch of reason you'll see when you get to it
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Himu on November 21, 2011, 07:06:55 PM
wow a new zelda is out and no one gives a shit about it except like 3 people
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 21, 2011, 07:09:34 PM
A new zelda is out and a few people on a gaf splinter forum mostly comprised of hypocritical elitist nerdlingers don't care.  Yes.  Nothing wow.

Lets wait for npd.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Himu on November 21, 2011, 07:16:07 PM
It's merely an observation, especially compared to TP's release when seemingly the majority of the forum was playing that game at release.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 21, 2011, 07:32:16 PM
Ironically not me.  I don't blame anyone for dumping zelda after TP. 
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Bebpo on November 21, 2011, 07:33:11 PM
wow a new zelda is out and no one gives a shit about it except like 3 people

Until you make a lttp thread and declare how it's a return to the glorious days of Nintendo :P
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 21, 2011, 08:35:27 PM
AVclub's "games" department is one of the most embarrassing divisions of the onion.  They need to just axe it completely.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Himu on November 21, 2011, 08:46:18 PM
wow a new zelda is out and no one gives a shit about it except like 3 people

Until you make a lttp thread and declare how it's a return to the glorious days of Nintendo :P

nintendo hasn't been "glorious" for almost 20 years.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Robo on November 21, 2011, 09:10:32 PM
AVclub's "games" department is one of the most embarrassing divisions of the onion.  They need to just axe it completely.

Is it worth pointing out that that is the same guy that reviewed Uncharted 3?  :lol
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Tasty on November 22, 2011, 12:16:38 AM
But some reviewers say it's the closest Zelda we've had to Majora's Mask.

I can see why they'd say that. Even though it's not going off the deep end like MM, SS is still trying to change up the overall progression a bit, and also focuses on the story, which MM did as well.

If anything, this game gives me hope for the next Zelda. Now that the status quo of town->dungeon->town has been disrupted (definitively), the next game should be able to take it even farther. Plus, Zelda in true HD. :hyper

Honestly though, I wouldn't mind if the series went to sleep for a while. It needs someone with a LOT of new ideas to come in and take those and combine them with the series' 20 year history, like Koizumi did for SMG. I get the feeling Aonuma always has one or two good ideas of Zelda games, but they can't sustain it (which is why most of SS's new ideas came from newer staff members on the ST team, which also explains why the game is so schizo and over the map -- it was a bunch of people's random ideas thrown together, not a single visionary's strong leadership.) And yeah, I would call Koizumi a visionary.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2011, 12:18:21 AM
that review makes me throw up in my mouth a little

Is that what humans do when they overload?
   \
     \
   :uguu
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Himu on November 22, 2011, 12:36:27 AM
wow a new zelda is out and no one gives a shit about it except like 3 people

Until you make a lttp thread and declare how it's a return to the glorious days of Nintendo :P

nintendo hasn't been "glorious" for almost 20 years.
Mario Galaxy was the best thing Nintendo released since what, the snes?

right, but it's an exception, not a "return to glory"
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Tasty on November 22, 2011, 12:41:47 AM
wow a new zelda is out and no one gives a shit about it except like 3 people

Until you make a lttp thread and declare how it's a return to the glorious days of Nintendo :P

nintendo hasn't been "glorious" for almost 20 years.
Mario Galaxy was the best thing Nintendo released since what, the snes?

right, but it's an exception, not a "return to glory"

If you didn't like Nintendo's output on the Wii then I'm almost tempted to say you've never liked Nintendo at all.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 22, 2011, 12:42:41 AM
I still remember the exact moment I gave up on Nintendo

it's when I bought Punch-Out and the boxer patterns were exactly the same as a 22-year-old NES game

fuck the Wii
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Post by: Himu on November 22, 2011, 12:43:18 AM
mario galaxy is my favorite game this generation. outside of that and TP I definitely can't say I've liked Nintendo's output on the wii OR the ds.
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Post by: Trent Dole on November 22, 2011, 01:29:49 AM
wow a new zelda is out and no one gives a shit about it except like 3 people

Until you make a lttp thread and declare how it's a return to the glorious days of Nintendo :P

nintendo hasn't been "glorious" for almost 20 years.
Mario Galaxy was the best thing Nintendo released since what, the snes?

right, but it's an exception, not a "return to glory"

If you didn't like Nintendo's output on the Wii then I'm almost tempted to say you've never liked Nintendo at all.
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l207/fgsfdsfargeg/picture1li0.png)
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Post by: Himu on November 22, 2011, 01:34:53 AM
I forgot about those ds games. Doh. You make a point.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Bebpo on November 22, 2011, 01:46:40 AM
Both Mario Galaxies were good, TP was good, Prime 3 was a lot of fun, Excitetruck was kind of fun, Wario Ware was fun.  Skyward Sword so far is fun.

They've definitely had some misses and a whole lot of nothing on the Wii, but they've also had some solid games as well.  I think it's almoooost comparable to their 1st party DS output; DS has a lot of 1st party misses as well.  Then again GC was pretty hit and miss, as was N64, as was GBA, so it's really nothing new and surprising that Nintendo hasn't been on their A game since SNES/GB.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Bebpo on November 22, 2011, 03:40:35 AM
The stealth stuff isn't bad in design, but like everything else in the game it's built solely to annoy you with the whole "1 hit and you have to start all over".  Zelda game design, at least in the Aounoma ones is basically, "You just made it through a 3 min platforming section.  Here's a narrow bridge and right when you jump over a gap in the middle of it we're going to time the enemy so they shoot a rock and knock you back down to the bottom of the platforming section so you can do it all again".  I see it over and over again in his games.  He makes the easiest Zelda games but is always trying to torment and punish the players.  Doesn't make much sense and is why Zelda lately doesn't tend to be as satisfying as the Mario games.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 22, 2011, 03:51:47 AM
Don't get me started on the drawing mini-game though.  Jeez, how many times do I have to draw a circle until it registers it as something close to the circle it wants your drawing to be.

It's hilariously ironic how by using the NEW AND IMPROVED MOTION+ WITH MORE ACCURACY, the controls end up being far less accurate than IR pointer controls when they decide to throw in pointer mini-games.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: cool breeze on November 22, 2011, 04:02:03 AM
I wish there was a gamecube version of this game :'(

It's really good once you get past the bad camera, bad controls, bad dumbification.  last one won't get fixed with a proper controller, but still.

also, I kinda realize why the Playstation Move has the stupid ball now.  The Wii remote plus loses position frequently and I have to recalibrate it.  At one point I needed to curve a bomb, but twisting the controller did nothing.  It got screwed up to think moving up and down were left and right, which wouldn't be a problem if up and down weren't already roll/nothing/throw.

bomb controls are seriously baffling.  A is always place, but when you hold the controller center, the only action is to place it.  When holding it up, you waggle to throw; down, waggle to roll.  Why not up/center/down + A instead of waggle like No More Heroes? why not eliminate the center useless part and only have up/throw an down/roll, because A is always drop?

I was actually kind of excited for the motion controls because Wii Sports Resort controlled well, and Red Steel 2 controlled well, but this...doesn't control well.  Even the aiming feels worse than twilight princess because for some reason they've decide to use the motion plus gyro+accel aiming instead of the pointer.  But I don't know if that's really the problem because Playstation Move pointing feels like normal Wii pointing and it's technically the same method (minus the ball).  There's just a lot of weird decisions like that with no real benefit.  Almost all the motion controls feel forced and inferior to the alternatives.  I wouldn't mind so much if this was a bad game, but it's not and I like it a lot. 

edit:

on how dumb the game treats you, it literally reintroduces items if you load a game  >:(

"you've played for 10+ hours, have 36 of this item, but you might have forgotten! here's a 20 second scene for each item and bug you find! we even show where it sits in your inventory!"

Ayanamei Rei  :poop
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 22, 2011, 05:38:59 AM
It's just crazy that it's been a decade or more since Nintendo made cutting edge games.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Bebpo on November 22, 2011, 10:45:28 AM
I wouldn't call myself a diehard fan or anything, but I usually look forward to taking each Zelda game for a play-through, but this time?  I kind of wish I hadn't already bought it.  I have more than enough 99% great stuff to play right now without blowing cash on a 7.5.

Oh come off it Oscar, you like Zelda, you put phantom hourglass in your list of "good" DS games and at its worst Skyward Sword is always 10x better than that title.  Do you not notice how despite everyone complaining about stuff, they always end their post with "I'm really enjoying it"?  The game is flawed for sure, but it's one of those games with tons of flaws but the overall substance rises above them.  A bunch of stuff in the game pisses me off but if I had to rate it where I am 14 hours in and about 50% through, I'd give it a 9/10 at this point on the "we don't use 1-5 scale" of modern game reviewers.  It's a really great game and probably my favorite Zelda since MM.

The game is a lot like Okami.  If you objectively looked at Okami with the padding, the handholding, the REUSED BOSSES, it's probably a 5/10; yet it's not a 5/10 because the overall experience is a great one despite it's objective flaws.  SS is like Zelda ape-ing Okami which ape-d Zelda. 

And Aeana, while being an knowledgeable and well-written poster, has shown time and time again that she has pretty iffy tastes.  If something is not just to her liking, she'll blow off a good game like Xenoblade, whereas she'll rave over lots of C-tier titles like the RE Wii rail shooters.  I wouldn't really go by her opinion as the definitive take on Zelda.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 22, 2011, 11:47:19 AM
I'm with Bebpo..  Best Zelda game since MM.
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Post by: demi on November 22, 2011, 11:48:03 AM
shut up, brandnew.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 22, 2011, 11:59:53 AM
shut up, brandnew.

no u
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Post by: magus on November 22, 2011, 12:02:01 PM
you only repeat 1 single dungeon oscar

but they do make you traverse the same portion of the pre-dungeon area over and over and over

the stealth section aren't a lot either and if you get discovered,you don't get sent back to the beginning unless they catch you first but evading them is not that hard
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on November 22, 2011, 12:59:43 PM
I hope there are a lot of islands to explore and find secrets in like Wind Waker.

lol
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Bebpo on November 22, 2011, 01:24:49 PM
I didn't realize you could move vertically upwards with the bird by chugging the wiimote up over and over until many hours in.  Makes flying MUCH BETTER, since before then climbing high was a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 22, 2011, 02:02:49 PM
~50% complete and not goin' back. how can anyone assert this game is *good*
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Post by: Positive Touch on November 22, 2011, 04:09:04 PM
I've never been able to replay Ocarina, I dislike Majora's Mask and Windwaker quite a bit.  In fact, I think Phantom Hourglass is "10x better" than both of those.

what the hell son


I think Phantom Hourglass is "10x better" than both of those.

[...]

What is giving me pause here is that [SS] seems to be short on dungeons , it makes you repeat those dungeons , it has stealth

WHAT THE HELL SON


who knew that the one person that would bring down oscar was... himself?
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 22, 2011, 05:57:52 PM
Phantom Hourglass was a fun game.  It was like Wind Waker but fixed up so you weren't doing nothing 50 percent of the time.  I have to wonder if people bitching about the recurring temple didn't take advantage of the shortcuts.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 22, 2011, 06:19:31 PM
PH was bad, but I endured it and finished it for the good qualities underneath the cheap cheap cheap cheap product.

Spirit Tracks was so bad I had to stop and question myself as to why I continued playing solely for completion when every 5 minutes of train traveling and then backtracking train traveling was taking time from my life.  Which is why I gave up and bailed halfway and it's the only Zelda I've never finished.  The dungeons were fine, but the train and the heavy backtracking USING THE TRAIN drove me nuts.  I am so fucking glad SS has a metric ton of warp points everywhere.  It's almost like a modern rpg with quick travel! 

It's interesting, when rpgs have quick travel I really don't mind quests that involve a lot of back/forth.  For instance Fallout NV.  But rpgs that don't have quick travel and make you run back and forth across towns/fields for every quest really bug me and make me hate doing the traveling, see Trails of the Sky and some of The Witcher 1.  Quick travel really makes rpgs more enjoyable.  Every game should have it.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 22, 2011, 07:24:12 PM
People bitching about Fi are really making a mountain out of a molehill.  I ignore her beeps 99 percent of the time and she hardly ever intrudes.  The only times she comes out is introducing new areas, notifying me of newly acquired dowsing targets or the occassional inconsequential thing.  Its very infrequent and not worth raising a shitstorm over unless one doesn't have the discipline to not summon her.

I also think people whining about the controls aren't sitting up.  I have problems if I try to play reclined, otherwise only actions requiring pointing the wiimote down have been less than ideal.  Oh, wait, switching between freelook and dowsing has a bothersome calibration effect.  That is a knock.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 22, 2011, 09:56:09 PM
Stealth games are always shitty.  Even in Batman, the stealth segments are annoying, and those games are amazing.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 22, 2011, 10:04:42 PM
wasn't a healthy chunk of phantom hourglass stealth puzzles?
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 22, 2011, 10:24:23 PM
exactly, which is why it's terrible
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 22, 2011, 11:04:21 PM
Stealth is awesome, but not the trial and error Splinter Cell bullshit. 

I got to what amounts to a sliding tile puzzle and actually went back to consult the Sheikah Stone Super Guide.  I HATE slide tile esque puzzles. Thank god it had a clip for it.  The super guide is really tactful.  Shows you just enough without walking you through the whole process.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 22, 2011, 11:09:49 PM
I'm not sure how I felt about the propeller quest yet.  It felt like it was introducing the concept of the helper robot moreso than anything, but if quests persist in this way I'm not gonna pretend it wasn't a dubious design choice.  Its not like I treaded new ground either.

edit:  Like, the quest was predicated on the assumption I picked up a certain loot and knew a certain guy's name too.  I DID meet both those requirements but both of those things were certainly missable.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 23, 2011, 12:03:21 AM
The stealth in Phantom Hourglass was interesting, brilliant actually, because it was integrated with the other Zelda mechanics (item use, dungeon exploration, etc.) - that's why it was my favorite part of the game (the only part I really liked, in fact). Something like the stealth section in Ocarina of Time is lame because it has nothing to do with the rest of the game.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 23, 2011, 12:41:26 AM
Just did my first Silent Realm and it was awesome.  Its kinda like Pacman in the third dimension meets Silent Hill.  In other news, precision movement underwater is kinda wank.  I'm not looking forward to tadtones because although the controls are good enough for traversal, trying to grab small things is a pain.  Really, motion controls work great for the items but not so much for anytime you are directing your avatar (skydiving/bird/swimming).  Feels... superflous?
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Post by: Oblivion on November 23, 2011, 04:00:26 AM
Okay, finally started the game. Right off the bat, this is THE jaggiest non-shovelware game I've ever seen on the Wii. You would think the art style would hide it, but it doesn't seem to AT ALL. To make matters worse, I'm playing on fucking SDTV!

WTF?
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Post by: bachikarn on November 23, 2011, 04:11:13 AM
yeah the jaggies are pretty terrible. i want to try it on dolphin but I don't think it is worth it to try and get it to work just for this game.
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Post by: Oblivion on November 23, 2011, 07:55:29 AM
Also, motion controlled loftwings and kikwis are pretty much the worst things ever.
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Post by: Robo on November 23, 2011, 02:18:29 PM
Kikwis look like the nutsack judge in The Wall movie.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 23, 2011, 03:48:56 PM
I didn't like the mole guys either.  Kiwiks at least you can laugh at because they are so dumb.  The robots are cool though.
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Post by: Oblivion on November 24, 2011, 12:28:29 AM
When I was playing the first 10 minutes of the game, I thought it was going pretty well. By the time I got to the first temple, I started wondering whether that lead up was better or worse than TP's.

The fact that one even has to question which game had the better introductory first hours is NOT a good sign.


And I feel the need to re-state how fucking awful motion controlled flying is.
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Post by: cool breeze on November 24, 2011, 09:17:57 AM
This game is really super great, but man oh man, 20-some hours in and the motion controls are still fucking awful.  I had a moment when it introduced to the swim controls and I felt like the game joking.  Analog stick to swim, except when you press A to dive under, and then tilt to swim and waggle nunchuck to spin, and the analog stick does nothing.  98% of the controls don't need motion.  I can understand the reason for sword combat and it's pretty fun; the net too.  Aiming is motion instead of IR (why  ???).  Everything else could be done better with simple intuitive analog controls.

and I liked the Twilight Princess Wii controls  :'(

 
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Post by: Barry Egan on November 24, 2011, 10:03:59 AM
I feel obligated to press on, but I'm really struggling with the controls as well.  They are just no fun and makes what seems like a decent game more trouble than it's worth. 
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 24, 2011, 10:08:56 AM
Guys @ Bombcast said controls are tight and swordplay is cool.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 24, 2011, 11:52:50 AM
If you're waggling against Stalfos and the Uber Stalfos, I need to learn how to waggle like you.  You can only really waggle against the bokoblins
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Post by: demi on November 24, 2011, 11:56:53 AM
Dont waggle, just do the spin attack.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 24, 2011, 03:39:45 PM
Harp is stupid.  Always sounds like a mess.  Fi's singing is the worst animated thing in the game.  Also returning to the isle of songs just to turn around and go where you really need to get to is bad design.  Should just teach you the song the moment the sacred flame is acquired.  Still enjoying the game in spite of that.  I really like exploring the sky but then again I accept that its only a 1/4th of what the overworld is in the game.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 24, 2011, 04:03:51 PM
Just got to the 4th dungeon (hadn't played for a few days).  I don't mind the swimming controls too much, but I hate how if you are against a wall that you need to spin jump to (Aka, all the time), you have to swim away from the wall to get some room, then turn around and THEN approach it and do the spin jump.  Where is my vertical spin jump to just get me some extra height to grab a ledge!
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 24, 2011, 04:10:49 PM
i kinda liked fi's weird voice sample thing :'(
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Post by: magus on November 24, 2011, 04:34:46 PM
i didn't pin you as someone that likes autotune :(
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 24, 2011, 05:21:35 PM
i kinda liked fi's weird voice sample thing :'(

No that's not what I'm talking about.  Whenever she sings, she starts seizing up and spazzing out like something done in Gary's mod.  Considering how well the rest of the game animates (i.e. item shopkeeper) it sticks out badly. 

I kinda hope the
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clawshot
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gets more... cerebral?  So far its usage seems elementary although the few timing elements were appreciated.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 24, 2011, 06:26:13 PM
On the one hand there's a certain segment you go to simply because a character is mistaken where his thing is. On the other hand
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INTERACTIVE MINE CART ROLLERCOASTER
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  It was weird fighting the same boss again, they could've at least give him some new attack patterns. 

This new dungeon (5th) is omg though, the central mechanic must've took some masterful programming to accomplish.
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Post by: Oblivion on November 24, 2011, 06:26:28 PM
Guys @ Bombcast said controls are tight and swordplay is cool.

The sword waggling's fine, the beetle's (surprisingly) decent, but the bird controls are fucking HORRIBLE, as are the tightrope walking sections (dear god, wtf nintendo)
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 24, 2011, 06:33:52 PM
Bird's fine once you figure out flapping is how you gain altitude.  On the tightrope, hold the wiimote VERTICALLY and tilt it either left or right.  You can also hold the a button to walk faster.
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Post by: magus on November 24, 2011, 06:45:20 PM
for the tightrope i keep tilting left and right in a bobbing motion and it works perfectly

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This new dungeon (5th) is omg though, the central mechanic must've took some masterful programming to accomplish.

eh okami pulled the same trick as well,it's just more noticeable since desert -> grass is a bigger change,and yes dungeon 5th is the best part,you only go downward after that :smug
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 24, 2011, 07:36:38 PM
Yeah Okami blows.  I bet Prole would still assert it one of the better 3d zeldas.

And I've liked all the dungeons so far, I'm not asking for rubix cube complexity from a zelda game.  The overworld in itself is chockful of clever design and traversal puzzles.

There are certainly problems here and there, so I wouldn't be so forgiving as to give it a PERFECT score.  Alot of item stuff would be better with the pointer.  All avatar movement would be better with analog and more consistent with how you control Link throughout the game.  As it is certain simple stuff needs tutorials because its tied to unnecessary motion. There's some excursions that do nothing but delay where you really need to go.

But but but great combat and puzzles and exploration and meaningful rewards and and and and SENSATIONS.
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Post by: magus on November 24, 2011, 07:41:41 PM
Okami was still a mediocre game though, the combat was wretched on that one.

okami suffers from all the maladies of this game and feature all the same qualities,let's not kid ourselves
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Post by: Himu on November 24, 2011, 08:03:34 PM
that is the biggest endorsement i've ever seen for this game

gj wrath

now i want to play.

"at least it won't be worse than okami"
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Post by: Bebpo on November 24, 2011, 09:00:27 PM
I'm going to murder all you guys hating on Okami

murder

Magus is right, SS = Okami.  I love Okami, I really like SS.
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Post by: Himu on November 24, 2011, 09:07:41 PM
hey go get these three dogs for me

now go get these 8 dogs throughout the world map for me

let's top it off by getting even more dogs for me

okay, now you can continue the game.

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Post by: demi on November 24, 2011, 09:08:38 PM
Okami is so bad, lol.
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Post by: Himu on November 24, 2011, 09:33:34 PM
We like Sega arcade stuff.

We like Ghost Trick.

We agree more than we disagree, I think. People tend to remember what they disagree on more than not.
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Post by: Oblivion on November 24, 2011, 10:04:08 PM
One complaint that I don't get, I have to say, is about the bird statues. They show up like every 10 steps! They're far, far more plentiful than the owl statues in MM, that's for damn sure.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 24, 2011, 11:07:50 PM
hey go get these three dogs for me

now go get these 8 dogs throughout the world map for me

let's top it off by getting even more dogs for me

okay, now you can continue the game.

padding defined.

Okami is a long game.  It runs on a slower pace.  It's consistently good.

Kamiya has only made great games.
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Post by: magus on November 25, 2011, 05:07:57 AM
hey go get these three dogs for me

now go get these 8 dogs throughout the world map for me

let's top it off by getting even more dogs for me

okay, now you can continue the game.

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the first thing you do to reach dungeon 1 in zelda is finding 3 little bird that look like a nutsack

and then you have to find 5 piece of keys before entering dungeon 2

and 3 generators before being able to enter dungeon 3 (at least these are easy to spot)

and before getting to dungeon 4 you have to return to one place where you found a piece of key in the volcano,then you have to return to the forest and do the trial! the trial consist of finding the tears of light on a previous zone that you already explored (edge called this "THE SECRET TO INFINITE LEVEL DESIGN!") while being under a time limit (at least a pretty generous time limit) then after that they make you finish dungeon 1 again because... i'll be damned if i know why

you feel like playing skyward sword yet himu? :P

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Okami was still a mediocre game though, the combat was wretched on that one.

okami had lot of monsters to throw at you,here it's bokoblin this and bokoblin that,when the game has to protect a semi important item,they throw you a lizard or a skeleton... meh!





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Post by: Bebpo on November 25, 2011, 07:48:21 AM
You're dissing the combat in a Kamiya game.  Combat by the guy who designed Devil May Cry, Bayonetta, and Viewtiful Joe.

The only problem with the combat in Okami is it was too easy.  But the combat engine was really solid as expected of Kamiya.  Wrath, did you play it on the Wii or PS2?
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Post by: Himu on November 25, 2011, 08:47:43 AM
You're dissing the combat in a Kamiya game.  Combat by the guy who designed Devil May Cry, Bayonetta, and Viewtiful Joe.

The only problem with the combat in Okami is it was too easy.  But the combat engine was really solid as expected of Kamiya.  Wrath, did you play it on the Wii or PS2?

Uhhh Okami is nothing like DMC or Bayo or VJ. Why are even comparing them?
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Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 25, 2011, 09:44:43 AM
About 4 and a half hours in.   Not loving it but it's not bothering me either.
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Post by: cool breeze on November 25, 2011, 12:03:01 PM
mild spoiler-ish part

so there's this one (actually pretty neat) sequence where you start out with only two hearts and can only find two more in the next 10 minutes.  well, the 'beeping' sound and Link flashing red kicks in automatically starting at 3 hearts and scales up with you total number of hearts.  for that entire sequence, unless you've never picked up a heart from the bosses or heart pieces, it won't stop beeping.

maybe it was designed that way, like a chinese water torture mechanic.   because I was running around with four hearts, desperately looking for more to stop the beeping.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 25, 2011, 02:57:04 PM
you can get hearts really easily in that sequence by digging around
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Post by: magus on November 25, 2011, 06:12:24 PM
you sure about that?
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there is a 4th silent realm :teehee
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Post by: magus on November 25, 2011, 06:22:08 PM
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

They're OK I guess, but their inclusion is unnecessary and it isn't even challenging at all. Fuck that shit.

:teehee
the last one is super annoying,i had to do it 3 times because of one guarded spot... but anyway,you are almost at the end of the game
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Post by: cool breeze on November 25, 2011, 06:50:40 PM
I thought this game is mostly awesome.  Not gonna rank anything (except every other Zelda >>>> DS dregs).  GOTY for me, probably (I say as someone who hasn't played Skyrim or Batman).  But I really liked it, except the controls and the babying everything.

Seriously if the controls were fixed and the game had faster text, it would make a huge difference.  And some parts need to be taken further, like the really (really) basic crafting system.  The other issues are spoiler-y:

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stamina got really annoying after awhile.  I kept wishing there would be a way to upgrade it, and yet there was no reason to upgrade it.  The best you can do are the potions that last three minutes.  I get why it needed to be limited for dungeon purposes, but after that point you unlocked the potion and it shouldn't have mattered.

bird gets like one upgrade.  I kept thinking I'd be able to fly at night, and the surface world would be difference at night.  Or I'll get a ranged attack once I had my bow.  Or at the very least a speed up.

You have a wallet to store 9,900 rupees and there is nothing to buy.  At least the wallet limit is high...yay progress.

this is more about the story, but I didn't like how everything was a trial.  like fuking give me the song already I saved your life earlier why I gotta swim around and grab notes?  hell, why I gotta go find the song notes in the first place?  collect the tears a fourth time? I already have the master sword and the song and the triforce logo on my hand! ffs enough

oh, and fighting the Imprisoned once was more than enough.  I get it.  you slash that pin on his head 27 times.  It's probably the worst boss tied with that ship cyclops.

overworld is still barren, but the surface is great.  kinda wish the surface was a lot bigger.

I thought the point of fewer weapons was to give them more use? you almost never use the slingshot.  other weapons are too rarely used too.
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I mean, most of that stuff is nitpicking.  Other minor things too.  The meat of the game, the dungeons and surface world, is excellent.  Not bothering with a list of things I liked about it either.  Again, except for the controls and ayaname rei.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 25, 2011, 08:06:11 PM
Just finished Dungeon #4.  At first I was like you guys must be crazy for praising a water dungeon since they usually suck, but yeah, this was a GREAT dungeon.  Very cool design.  Lotta fun.  Boss was fun.  Good stuff.

Gonna try to play a lot this weekend since I have some time.  Heading for next silent realm now!  Game is mainly rad.  I think if you play it for the end, aka just to see the credits, it might feel fillerish, but if you play it for the ADVENTURE it's a long, satisfying, Zelda adventure.

Game is looooong.  But I've enjoyed every bit of it so far.
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Post by: cool breeze on November 25, 2011, 08:21:04 PM
I'm reading some other impressions from this thread.  demi is really nailing a lot of my issues like a week before I had them.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 25, 2011, 08:27:20 PM
Any particular ones?

And I don't mind the silent realm stuff.  It's something that I dread doing, but they're quick yet challenging so each time I finish them I'm like "okay that was actually kinda cool."
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Post by: Bebpo on November 25, 2011, 08:51:19 PM
I like the silent realm if I don't die.

Didn't mess up on the 2nd silent realm so it was fun.
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Post by: cool breeze on November 25, 2011, 08:58:19 PM
I liked the silent realm stuff tbh.  You just explore the environment and it becomes almost platformer like.  The only annoyance is again from how stupid the game treats you.  If you signal the enemies, a 4 second cutscene of them waking up.  You can say, "4 seconds isn't bad," but it's 4 seconds every time.

One part in the game has you pressing a switch to open the game, and literally the gate is a foot away from you.  it's like:

[switch]---}|||gate|||{

and every time you step on or off the gate, it shows you a scene of the gate opening or closing.  I know Nintendo wants kids to play this game and kids are dumb, but that dumb?

Like I said, the two bad problems with this game are controls and how dumb the game treats you.  Other problems are more nitpicks that I mentioned above.  Otherwise I liked most everything else.  and to clarify, I don't mind motion controls.  Sword controls work really well. Harp, net, sky diving, and a few other things work well.  Everything else...doesn't.  Again, IR pointing for aiming, analog stick for swimming/flying, etc.  Plus it would've been neat to fly with the analog stick and use the pointer to fire off arrows.


I like the silent realm if I don't die.

Didn't mess up on the 2nd silent realm so it was fun.

you can die in this game?  :o
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Post by: Bebpo on November 25, 2011, 09:01:36 PM
Well, as in get hit and have to do it all again, which is what happened to me on my first attempt after I'd collected all the tears and then got trapped in a dead end on the way back to the start and got hit :(
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Post by: tiesto on November 26, 2011, 01:08:03 AM
Just beat the 3rd dungeon, pretty cool so far now that I'm fully acquainted with the controls. Even though occasionally I get fucked over with bad bowling controls. My brother is just slightly ahead of me in the game and he says this is where the game goes from "OMG amazing" to shit...
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Post by: Bebpo on November 26, 2011, 01:12:24 AM
Nah, I'm on my way to the 5th dungeon and imo the game has only gotten better since the 3rd dungeon.  Definitely more interesting stuff.
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Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 26, 2011, 07:07:14 AM
I think I must be enjoying this game because I forgot to exercise my democratic right and vote in the national election. :-[
Oh well, the local candidate I would have voted for won and there was nothing I could have done to prevent National cutting the country's throat.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 26, 2011, 12:32:04 PM
Any particular ones?

And I don't mind the silent realm stuff.  It's something that I dread doing, but they're quick yet challenging so each time I finish them I'm like "okay that was actually kinda cool."

That's my point, they're cool and all but I'm all for not having them in the game at all cause I feel like the obstruct the flow of the game, if you will. I haven't gotten hit while doing it yet so I guess I'm good at it, but knowing myself if I did die and have to start over I'd be choking puppies.

Nah, I'm on my way to the 5th dungeon and imo the game has only gotten better since the 3rd dungeon.  Definitely more interesting stuff.

Everything after dungeon 3 to the lead up to 6 has been the best parts of the game so far.

I don't know...I enjoy these far more than the tears of light sections in TP, mainly because they're succinct and seem to beef up the respective areas even moreso than they already are.  It requires you to be familiar with the lay of the land, and I like that much more than "look at map, travel to area, beat bugs."  And they're challenging only in a "hmm, how can I get there?" kind of way.  The Eldin trial infuriated me (in a good way) because I got every single tear and then got fucked by a guardian about twenty steps before the safety ring.  I rage quitted and came back an hour later.

As for the second half of the game, yeah, As soon as you hit dungeon 4, the game goes from fun to amazing.  I still think the first half is leagues better than TP, also.

The only thing that bothers me about the lead up to the end-game portions is the Hero's Song collection.  It's not as bad as the Triforce hunt, but its a random mish-mash of second-hand ideas that were thrown into the game.  Mainly the Faron region collection.  Blugh.  The Eldin Volcano one was pretty cool though.  And I did actually enjoy the Lanayru cart sequence.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 26, 2011, 12:34:52 PM
feggits
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 26, 2011, 12:41:01 PM
hush lover
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 26, 2011, 03:24:30 PM
Okami fan, nuff said. 
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 26, 2011, 03:26:28 PM
Reiterating the silent realm pwns.  Just wish they were harder.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 26, 2011, 05:14:08 PM
Yeah the music is absolutely wonderful.  Fi's theme, omg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-71BpfmkEPI
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Post by: Bebpo on November 27, 2011, 06:44:04 PM
I just got to the

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Sandship
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Is that dungeon #5?
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Post by: Bebpo on November 27, 2011, 07:51:30 PM
Cool.  The lead up to #5 was interesting, though the
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construction yard where you get through it fight the terrible stabby boss again and then go "whoops, guess there weren't any clues" and leave was kind of iffy
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 28, 2011, 01:35:14 AM
finally beat it

 :o

last battle was fucking awesome.  pretty tough AND an amazing atmosphere as well.

game is fucking amazing.  Absolutely a 9.5/10 from me, the best Zelda since Majora's.  So:

MM > SS > Oracles > TP > OoT > LA > WW > ALttP > FSA > MC > ST > Zelda I > PH > Zelda II
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Post by: Bebpo on November 28, 2011, 02:18:25 AM
Finished Dungeon #5.  The dungeon was ok; one of the weaker ones imo; was too straightforward and not super interesting to explore.  Just a lot of backtracking.  I thought the pre-dungeon stuff was better.

The boss though.  FUCK HIM. 

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This was another boss made for a game with a different control set.  So many goddamn problems.  The skyward strike is fine for puzzles, but when you need to do it quickly and half the time the centering on the sword gets fucked up and you can't get him to raise it and he keeps raising his shield ARGHGHGH.  Then the goddamn bow, which is a lot of fun to use, but when IT RE-CENTERS IT EVERY TIME YOU BRING IT UP you can get seriously fucked...a lot!!!  And then I couldn't even figure out wtf to do on the tentacle biter part at the last half.  Were you just supposed to slash them nonstop?  Because when I did it still wouldn't be fast enough and I'd slash a few then get hit and knocked off the ship.  If I tried to block it'd block then I'd get hit and knocked off the ship.  I'm guessing there was a trick to that part.  Beat the boss with a half a heart left and a lot of frustration.  This boss and boss #1/2 have been screwy because of how bad the motion controls are.  The boss fights are my least favorite part of this game; if I played the same fights on a normal controller I'd like them a whooole lot more.
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Post by: tiesto on November 28, 2011, 08:34:12 AM
So I think my only real complaint with the game is the fact that the puzzles are pretty much spelled out for you (except, ironically in a few spots in the first dungeon)... part of the challenge of the earlier Zelda games was entering a dungeon room and then figuring out what the puzzle was, before you even start doing stuff.
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Post by: demi on November 28, 2011, 09:45:59 AM
You are supposed to slash the tentacles bebpo, they stop. It's like the Bamboo Pole mini-game. Slash slash slash.

And I rather liked that boss. Certainly better than the abysmal joke that was the bomb boss.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 28, 2011, 10:39:29 AM
I dunno, that's what I was doing and I'd slash a ton of them and then eventually get hit.  Guess I wasn't slashing FAST enough because the motion controls weren't detecting half my slashes.

I feel like half the time I do anything with the motion controls it doesn't register correctly.  Maybe I am too animated and swinging things around too much and need to be calm like that guy in the video.  I feel like motion controls work for puzzles, but they fail for boss fights where you need to do them nonstop and fast or take damage.  I'm really enjoying everything about the game...except the boss fights where I'm usually just pissed off and cursing.


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Post by: magus on November 28, 2011, 10:52:54 AM
i had problem with the tentacles too but since they release heart,getting hit wasn't a real problem anyway
and the sandship is easily the best part,now the rest of the game,that's going to suck haaaaaaard
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Post by: Bebpo on November 28, 2011, 10:55:38 AM
I thought Dungeon #4 was a lot better in both design and the boss.

Looking forward to the final 10 hours of the game.  I can't imagine how it could be any worse than the re-use in the game already and I've enjoyed all that.
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Post by: magus on November 28, 2011, 10:57:32 AM
I thought Dungeon #4 was a lot better in both design and the boss.

Looking forward to the final 10 hours of the game.  I can't imagine how it could be any worse than the re-use in the game already and I've enjoyed all that.

worse than that it's not but the amount of new stuff you get to see it's going to be veeeeeery small,after dungeon 5 it's when the game goes into full padding mode
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Post by: Bebpo on November 28, 2011, 10:59:28 AM
:(
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Post by: demi on November 28, 2011, 11:11:55 AM
lol, if you hate the motion controls, you are gonna love the last two bosses.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 28, 2011, 11:24:55 AM
:(
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Post by: cool breeze on November 28, 2011, 12:18:43 PM
you're supposed to use the skyward strike on the tentacles.  I dislike that boss because of how long it takes, but just charge your skyward strike as you run around like a dolt, then let off a horizontal slash.  Most times you can take out two tentacles at a time.
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Post by: demi on November 28, 2011, 12:40:03 PM
not that part... the end part where his hair comes at you
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Post by: cool breeze on November 28, 2011, 12:43:38 PM
oh, well at that part there is a mark on the ground to show where you're supposed to stand to seizure waggle without getting touched.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 28, 2011, 01:08:00 PM
ah, didn't see that.  I kept getting knocked off the boat so I was always standing at the end since they'd come rape me right as I was recovering from falling.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 28, 2011, 07:02:59 PM
Well, I didn't want to say this until I beat it but I doubt anything in the last 2 dungeons will change my stance:

My overall opinion is that Wind Waker, Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword make up the trifecta of modern Zelda.  Each has its strengths, each has its weakness and all 3 have plenty of both.  Every game, instead of just learning from the last and doing the same thing while fixing problems of previous titles, Nintendo decides to go in a 90 degree angle and just throws everything out the window and tries a whole completely new direction and each time they come with their benefits and failings.

At the end of the day, I think those 3 are all about the same quality and at their core are all great Zelda adventures that do different things; but you gotta put up with a lot of junk in all of them.

That being said I'd rather Nintendo kept trying new ideas and partly failing than do the same stale tired sequels they do with some of their other franchises.  It's the creative Nintendo that keeps the studio being worthwhile.
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Post by: demi on November 28, 2011, 07:06:56 PM
I don't see myself replaying it. There was just nothing interesting. A product of vagina nintendo. Vanilla and tasteless.

BTW what is the reward you get for the vampire for getting all the crystals? I had to give him 70 and I couldn't find any more.
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Post by: cool breeze on November 28, 2011, 07:19:24 PM
I don't see myself replaying it. There was just nothing interesting. A product of vagina nintendo. Vanilla and tasteless.

BTW what is the reward you get for the vampire for getting all the crystals? I had to give him 70 and I couldn't find any more.

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the biggest wallet in the game, raising your total rupee capacity to 9,900

and monsters stop showing up at night in Skyloft
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Post by: demi on November 28, 2011, 07:20:35 PM
Wow, exciting. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Post by: Bebpo on November 28, 2011, 07:48:19 PM
I don't see myself replaying it. There was just nothing interesting.

I don't see myself replaying most games longer than 5-10 hours.  Long games always have a bunch of downtime to offset the highs.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 28, 2011, 08:14:02 PM
I will play it again, as per usual, each year with every other Zelda game.  Annual series playthroughs are fun.
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Post by: cool breeze on November 28, 2011, 08:20:12 PM
There are codes out there to disable ayanami rei's dumbshit and some of the other dumbness like reintroducing items, so I'll look into those and replay it for sure.  I mean, I have to do a hero run eventually.  Though it shouldn't be that difficult since enemies just do double damage, and I did the boss rush without getting hit once; game is pretty easy.

In a week or two I'm gonna replay WW and TP (superior Wii version).  I might look into Dolphin stuff.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 28, 2011, 08:20:53 PM
Wow, I don't think I could do a series playthrough with Zelda.  That'd be like 100+ hours!
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Post by: demi on November 28, 2011, 08:20:57 PM
Wii version of TP :gay

Will enjoy my real Cube version
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 28, 2011, 08:28:04 PM
Wow, I don't think I could do a series playthrough with Zelda.  That'd be like 100+ hours!

nicca please.  You can beat OoT in like 8 hours, MM in about the same time.  I can go through most of the series' big titles (other than the DS games) in a month.
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Post by: cool breeze on November 28, 2011, 08:37:14 PM
Zelda games only started getting long with Twilight Princess

100% OoT is like ~20 hours.  MM is like 10 to 15 hours; most of the time is collecting masks.  Wind Waker is under 20 hours, and the last few hours are the triforce fetch quest.  Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword are both 40+ hours to get 100%.  The 2D games are considerably shorter.

The only Zelda games I wont replay are the DS games because they're so fucking boring.  If Spirit Tracks let me only play the dungeons and skip the flute shit I'd play, but never again with the trains.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 28, 2011, 09:20:27 PM
Wait, how long is Skyward Sword?

I'm just shy of 20 hours now after Dungeon #5.  I find it hard to believe it's going to be longer than a 30 hour game if I'm not doing sidestuff (there's sidestuff to do in this game?).
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 28, 2011, 09:26:59 PM
I beat it at around 24 hours.  I can see it being a 30 hour game if ya stupid at puzzles
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Post by: Don Flamenco on November 28, 2011, 11:26:21 PM
jesus, i'm not a "change zelda" guy, but please get rid of the fucking text or let me skip it nintendo. 
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Post by: MCD on November 29, 2011, 06:36:37 PM
You should play Mario Galaxy. Gotta love all that NINTENDO TEXT.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on November 29, 2011, 07:09:55 PM
Hey Link/Mario!  I'm just gonna sit here and blab because I'm a Patronizing Douchebag.  While you're sitting there Jamming The A Button For No Reason Except Bored Frustration, I'm just gonna say a bunch of shit that some writers thought was Funny and some programmers thought was absolutely necessary for every player to Read.  You must get the Small Key/Star Bit to open the Door. I love doors! They open and close so magically! Isn't that quirky lol? Almost as quirky as Insert distinguished mentally-challenged Non-Sequitur HereReading can only be done if you have Eyes and, in this game, the Reading Comprehension Skills of a 3rd grader.  But you can't skip the text, so everybody must read it!  Isn't that Wonderful?  No player left behind!
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 29, 2011, 07:48:09 PM
Hey Link/Mario!  I'm just gonna sit here and blab because I'm a Patronizing Douchebag.  While you're sitting there Jamming The A Button For No Reason Except Bored Frustration, I'm just gonna say a bunch of shit that some writers thought was Funny and some programmers thought was absolutely necessary for every player to Read.  You must get the Small Key/Star Bit to open the Door. I love doors! They open and close so magically! Isn't that quirky lol? Almost as quirky as Insert distinguished mentally-challenged Non-Sequitur HereReading can only be done if you have Eyes and, in this game, the Reading Comprehension Skills of a 3rd grader.  But you can't skip the text, so everybody must read it!  Isn't that Wonderful?  No player left behind!

oh God super paper mario flashbacks I'm getting the DTs
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Post by: demi on November 29, 2011, 07:59:18 PM
Hey Link/Mario!  I'm just gonna sit here and blab because I'm a Patronizing Douchebag.  While you're sitting there Jamming The A Button For No Reason Except Bored Frustration, I'm just gonna say a bunch of shit that some writers thought was Funny and some programmers thought was absolutely necessary for every player to Read.  You must get the Small Key/Star Bit to open the Door. I love doors! They open and close so magically! Isn't that quirky lol? Almost as quirky as Insert distinguished mentally-challenged Non-Sequitur HereReading can only be done if you have Eyes and, in this game, the Reading Comprehension Skills of a 3rd grader.  But you can't skip the text, so everybody must read it!  Isn't that Wonderful?  No player left behind!

Did you get all that, Master?

> No
Yes
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Post by: magus on November 29, 2011, 08:14:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtErPkSS6fs

robin williams know how to use the wiimote unlike any gamespot reviewer :smug
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Post by: tiesto on November 29, 2011, 08:20:01 PM
Beat the first 5 dungeons... dungeons 3 and 4 were really cool... but 1, 2 and 5 were definitely uninspired. That being said I still really like this game, much more than I thought I would. But TP is still the best 3D Zelda unless the rest of the game starts randomly flashing Eastern European porn at me while I play.
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Post by: Himu on November 29, 2011, 08:37:14 PM
Hey Link/Mario!  I'm just gonna sit here and blab because I'm a Patronizing Douchebag.  While you're sitting there Jamming The A Button For No Reason Except Bored Frustration, I'm just gonna say a bunch of shit that some writers thought was Funny and some programmers thought was absolutely necessary for every player to Read.  You must get the Small Key/Star Bit to open the Door. I love doors! They open and close so magically! Isn't that quirky lol? Almost as quirky as Insert distinguished mentally-challenged Non-Sequitur HereReading can only be done if you have Eyes and, in this game, the Reading Comprehension Skills of a 3rd grader.  But you can't skip the text, so everybody must read it!  Isn't that Wonderful?  No player left behind!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh-HDrLS_do
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 29, 2011, 08:54:27 PM
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lukbtpuU8v1qz5tgbo1_r1_500.png)
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Post by: Himu on November 29, 2011, 09:06:38 PM
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lukbtpuU8v1qz5tgbo1_r1_500.png)

Facebook status from tiesto
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Post by: demi on November 29, 2011, 09:07:40 PM
nah it is brandnew.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 29, 2011, 09:28:08 PM
how did you get my facebook
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Post by: Don Flamenco on November 29, 2011, 09:36:28 PM
Hey Link/Mario!  I'm just gonna sit here and blab because I'm a Patronizing Douchebag.  While you're sitting there Jamming The A Button For No Reason Except Bored Frustration, I'm just gonna say a bunch of shit that some writers thought was Funny and some programmers thought was absolutely necessary for every player to Read.  You must get the Small Key/Star Bit to open the Door. I love doors! They open and close so magically! Isn't that quirky lol? Almost as quirky as Insert distinguished mentally-challenged Non-Sequitur HereReading can only be done if you have Eyes and, in this game, the Reading Comprehension Skills of a 3rd grader.  But you can't skip the text, so everybody must read it!  Isn't that Wonderful?  No player left behind!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh-HDrLS_do



yeah, that was just as bad.  even seeing her win quotes in UMVC3 gives me nerd rage.   it's "little" shit like this that honestly keeps me from beating these games (3D zeldas and okami.)  too many breaks in gameplay.   Meanwhile, dark souls has very little dialogue and I enjoy it when it happens.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on November 29, 2011, 09:44:38 PM
That video settles it, I am removing Okami from my backlog
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Post by: Himu on November 29, 2011, 09:46:37 PM
The entire game is like that btw
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Post by: cool breeze on November 29, 2011, 09:52:09 PM
That video settles it, I am removing Okami from my backlog

i think the wii version sped up the text because the port was from white people.  they even outright removed the credit text!
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Post by: Himu on November 29, 2011, 09:55:48 PM
Doesn't change the frequency or rate.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 30, 2011, 11:40:11 AM
well, this bombed super hard in japan.

I dunno, it sold 1/3 of what Modern Warfare 3 did, so if you adjust for Western audiences that's like 2.2 million!
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 30, 2011, 02:09:29 PM
well, this bombed super hard in japan.

Really? I'm not surprised to be honest but I'm curious about the numbers

60k
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Post by: Bebpo on November 30, 2011, 02:18:12 PM
Console Zelda, like Console Mario, is far less popular over there these days.  Not a surprise OoT remake outsold it 4x1.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 30, 2011, 02:24:19 PM
Wait, I just went to gaf and it says 194,000 sold in the first weekend. 

So basically after Nintendo Legs it'll sell about 600k, aka the same as every Zelda in Japan.  Sounds normal?
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on November 30, 2011, 08:17:58 PM
Zelda (especially 3d zelda) has been on a kinda decline in Japan.  I remember TP not selling too well for a launch title.  If NSMB and DKCR are any indication, I think a New Legend of Zelda could work wonders for the franchise.  2d is always more approachable for mass audiences. 
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 30, 2011, 09:41:09 PM
shoulda packaged and sold it as a mini-game collection -- which is what it wants to be, anyhow

no wonder the zeldaspergs special fellow about it; they luv themselves some simple, discrete, fixed domain problems with conveniently structured, self-contained solutions and FUCK any real holistic decision-making or branching choices!
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 30, 2011, 09:47:43 PM
but you love TP, which you just described perfectly   ???

if y'all want open domains with open solutions and open branches...play the very much open skyrim?
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Post by: cool breeze on November 30, 2011, 10:08:05 PM
you can say "I will!" or "I promise" at one point.

those are real branching choices.  suck it, bioware.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 30, 2011, 11:15:17 PM
When I make a game I will start it with a tutorial that explains the concept of Euclidean 3D space from first principles, based on Hilbert's axioms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert's_axioms) (e.g. it will need to explain the concept of 'betweenness' and how 'if a point B is between points A and C, B is also between C and A'). It'll be a 3D game, but I want to make sure it's not inaccessible to entities who happen to come from some radically non-Euclidean / non-spatial universe and aren't familiar with those concepts.
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Post by: magus on December 01, 2011, 07:35:23 AM
(http://brawlinthefamily.keenspot.com/images/fi.jpg)
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Post by: Bebpo on December 01, 2011, 12:12:38 PM
Knock it down to 65 and we have a winner.
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Post by: cool breeze on December 01, 2011, 12:52:04 PM
Sword controls were nearly perfect for me, at least slashing.  There were problems with stabbing (even pulled off correctly had a weird delay), but that's it. 

The problems with other motion controls were losing calibration/drift and how they were designed.  The bomb controls technically worked fine, it's just that the motions to do it were awkward and dumb if you were sitting down.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 02, 2011, 03:32:08 AM
So I did Silent Realm Trial #3 and like with #1 I got 14/15 and then died on the last one and had to do it all again  :yuck  Died because I couldn't hit one of the sliding down side ones :(  Next time I just made sure I got those ones first!  The silent realms are really easy on the 2nd try when you know where everything is, but Nintendo shouldn't have made you start from scratch just for getting hit once.  Dumb design.  Also, how do I get a bigger wallet?  I keep maxing out my 1200 rupee wallet and I need 1600 to buy the dumb heart 1/4th piece at the shop.

I just found out you could sleep and there's a night cycle in the game haha
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Post by: magus on December 02, 2011, 04:01:40 AM
give more gratitude crystal to the vampire or buy an extra wallet from beedle (the extra wallet cost 100 rupee and let you hold 300 extra rupee's,you can buy up to 3)
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Post by: tiesto on December 02, 2011, 08:54:28 AM
Just beat dungeon 6, really nice design in there... so far my favorites are 3, 4, and 6. Am I correct in assuming I'm near the end? I still have a buncha sidequests I want to do, so I don't know if I will finish it this weekend... probably next weekend.
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Post by: magus on December 02, 2011, 09:49:49 AM
was the last boss you fought
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girahim again?
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if so before the end of the game there is

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- return to skyloft
- return to the song island
- fight a pretty cool boss
- return to the forest
- fight the imprisoned a third time
- finish an underwater fetch quest,yes i said underwater fetch quest for part 1 of the song
- return to the volcano
- finish a stealth section for part 2 of the song
- return to the desert
- find a new path leading to part 3 of the song
- but wait! before you can get part 3 of the song,return to forest zone again,then return to the desert zone
- after getting all 3 parts,return to skyloft
- do the last one of those stupid trials
- finish dungeon 6.5
- lot of cutscene happens
- final boss
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Post by: tiesto on December 02, 2011, 09:55:36 AM
That sounds pretty shitty  :yuck Zelda fetchquests... how long does all that take? Can I get through it in a weekend afternoon?
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Post by: magus on December 02, 2011, 10:06:36 AM
mmm yeah i guess you could,they don't really take that long,not more than it took to clear the original zone anyway
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Post by: Bebpo on December 02, 2011, 12:04:20 PM
give more gratitude crystal to the vampire or buy an extra wallet from beedle (the extra wallet cost 100 rupee and let you hold 300 extra rupee's,you can buy up to 3)

I bought all 3 wallets from Beedle, that's how my max is 1200.

There's a vampire in this game?

There are crystals??
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Post by: demi on December 02, 2011, 12:20:25 PM
GUESS FI DIDNT BOTHER TO TELL YOU THAT
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Post by: cool breeze on December 02, 2011, 12:23:30 PM
yeah, it's initiated by a sidequest at skyloft

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a little girl goes missing and people say its a monster.  you hear a guy at the pumpkin bar knows more, you fly there, he tells you to do something at the grave yard.  you do it, a secret passage opens, you go under skyloft and a friendly vampire is there with the girl.  he asks you to get gratitude crystals to turn him human.  I think about 10 are hidden around skyloft and other areas of the sky (2 at the pumpkin bar, one at beedle's place) and they only appear at night.  The rest are received through sidequests, 5 gratitude crystals per quest.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 02, 2011, 01:15:23 PM
Yeah, I didn't do that.  They were like "MY GIRL IS MISSING!!!" and I was like "is this required to progress in the plot?  No, well then screw your missing kid fetch quest.  She's going to stay lost!"

When a game has pacing like SS and is long like SS, I avoid any and all optional parts and just try to speed run the main game.
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Post by: demi on December 02, 2011, 02:21:13 PM
He calls it pacing
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 04, 2011, 10:08:56 PM
This game is weird in how it sends you off in one direction while in the middle of something else.

Some notes:
Tadtones was kinda fun once you capitalise on the controls and know how to collect groups with the spin.  Really liked this section Super Chill.

Forsaken Fortress (STEALTH) 2.0 was enjoyable but felt underdeveloped in the end.  Needed more intricate patrol routes and whatnot.

4th Silent Realm was nerve rackingly good.  I was tailed by so many sentries while they dingalinglingaling.  I think I had 10 guardians surrounding me on one of my attempts.

Returned to an old dungeon due to some dowsing misdirection.  Apparently you can refight minibosses for rare crafting materials.

On the last dungeon and the gimmick is pretty cool, although its manipulated by a SLIDE TILE PUZZLE blargh.
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Post by: tiesto on December 04, 2011, 10:43:01 PM
I'm on the last dungeon too, kept on getting my ass kicked by that dungeon's miniboss... the last few parts of the game are like some of the worst cases of filler I've ever seen in a game... was really enjoying the game up til this part too. Hopefully I'll be able to beat the dungeon's miniboss soon and can get to the part where I go finish collecting heart containers, hunt goddess cubes, doing sidequests, etc. I think I got a good chunk of the sidequests done already.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2011, 11:17:30 PM
I'm still just after the 5th dungeon.  At the new volcano area with my earrings.  I've kind of stopped wanting to play this so I've been avoiding it and playing other games.  I like it when I play it, but the game is too long and pacing too slow.  I just want to finish it at this point so I can play other games with my time.

Zelda should not be a 30 hour game.
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Post by: demi on December 04, 2011, 11:24:08 PM
It's fine as a 30 hour game. It's just full of BULLSHIT and not GAME

and TEXT BUBBLES
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Post by: Barry Egan on December 04, 2011, 11:48:58 PM
people have been comparing majoras mask with this title, and I was wondering if anyone might be able to point out the comparable elements (besides the obvious core mechanics)...?  I presumed when people said this that they were referring to an emphasis on sidequests and overworld.  Sky Village is static.  There are sidequests but there is no real emphasis or intrigue carrying them.  The narrative does not seem to have anything analogous to Majoras darker shades either.

In conclusion that comparison is kind of nuts. 

I do agree with Bebpo that this game should be a lot shorter.  The last 3 dungeons were GREAT and I wish Nintendo would have just let me play them.
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Post by: Trent Dole on December 05, 2011, 12:11:02 AM
It's fine as a 30 hour game. It's just full of BULLSHIT and not GAME

and TEXT BUBBLES
Made the mistake of telling the first Goron I met that I was interested in hearing him tell of Skyloft mythos or something. Five minutes later I could start actually playing again.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Bebpo on December 05, 2011, 12:35:08 AM
It's like Majora's Mask because it's not a typical Link vs Ganon get the tri-force game and the dungeons are good and there's a lot of repetition. 

Or something like that.  I dunno, I don't think it's like any Zelda except the awful no budget DS games except way better.


Just got to dungeon #6.  BZZT I AM STUPID ROBOT CREATING FILLER FOR YOU TO MAKE YOU RUN ALL THE WAY UP THE MOUNTAIN AGAIN.  How more blatant can they get?  Ugh, at least the pre-dungeon stuff to dungeon #6 was short, even if it was all filler.


My problem with the Zelda franchise in general, since at least the two DS games and this, is that they feel like WORK and not fun gaming.  It's the reason why I don't really want to play the game but when I force myself to sit down and play it I enjoy it.  It's a good game but everytime someone says "HEY DO YOU WANT TO DO A FOR ME?" I always shudder because whatever they want me to do is going to be a pain in the ass, sometimes frustrating, and almost always waste of time.  Compare that to say a game like Saints Row where when someone wants you to do something you're excited because it means a fun mission to do.  I swear Zelda has become a franchise for masochists.  It's made to make the player WORK and suffer to enjoy the satisfaction of Japanese corporation employment.


Will do dungeon #6 tomorrow.  Then at least it'll just be ONE LAST FILLER BUILDUP to dungeon #7 and then 1 night on dungeon #7 and I can call it done.
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Post by: magus on December 05, 2011, 07:32:09 AM
I'm on the last dungeon too, kept on getting my ass kicked by that dungeon's miniboss... the last few parts of the game are like some of the worst cases of filler I've ever seen in a game... was really enjoying the game up til this part too. Hopefully I'll be able to beat the dungeon's miniboss soon and can get to the part where I go finish collecting heart containers, hunt goddess cubes, doing sidequests, etc. I think I got a good chunk of the sidequests done already.

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you mean the pirate captain repeat? he's really easy if you block and then attack instead of actively attacking him
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Quote
Just got to dungeon #6.  BZZT I AM STUPID ROBOT CREATING FILLER FOR YOU TO MAKE YOU RUN ALL THE WAY UP THE MOUNTAIN AGAIN.  How more blatant can they get?  Ugh, at least the pre-dungeon stuff to dungeon #6 was short, even if it was all filler.

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z2/teasels/imagesqtbnANd9GcQpAN6KDvvujCnzOSrlH.jpg)
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Post by: SantaC on December 05, 2011, 04:50:10 PM
man this game is shit on a stick. Zelda has never been farther down the drain. Nintendo is killing their own franchises.
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Post by: demi on December 05, 2011, 06:49:12 PM
at least try to troll.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 05, 2011, 06:54:34 PM
man this game is shit on a stick. Zelda has never been farther down the drain. Nintendo is killing their own franchises.

The DS games.

...which were also by this guy!


It's sad because the GB/GBA games were really good!  It's like once Zelda hit the Wii/DS it just dove headfirst downhill.  Maybe that's when the big N decided Zelda was not a big enough seller to warrant a budget anymore.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 05, 2011, 07:00:18 PM
Dude, the re-use of areas over and over and over again is entirely budget related.  You don't think they would have preferred to have a new location pre-dungeon #6 like they had pre-dungeon 1-5?  They just didn't have the money/manpower to create the assets.

Same reason why the game has only 6-7 dungeons and Skyloft is this big empty area.  Creating locations takes money/time, and apparently with what they were given these were the only locations they could make and so they had to re-use a ton to create a full-size game out of it.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 05, 2011, 07:03:51 PM
PS.  Nintendo's extreme conservatism when it comes to low-balling budgets on their franchises is going to bite them so hard in the ass when Wii U hits and suddenly they need to make every texture and environment detailed in 720p visuals.  I have a feeling we are going to see a trainwreck on the likes of Sony Japan w/PS3.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 05, 2011, 07:07:16 PM
btw, if it seems like I angrily bring this up in every Nintendo thread it's because I actually really like Nintendo's franchises and I think they have quite a few extremely talented game designers and great development teams.  So it's extremely depressing seeing each game get screwed over time and time again because Nintendo refuses to spend money to make games because all they care about is $$$ and profitability.  It's frustrating and I'd like to see the return of great Nintendo titles but I don't see it happening until they start giving teams the money they need to make great games :(
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Post by: Bebpo on December 05, 2011, 07:21:50 PM
It's a design choice in the way of Publisher's design to not give them money to make more areas.  I'm sure the director and team would rather have had non-stop unique areas one after another from start  to credits if they had the manpower and time.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 05, 2011, 07:24:38 PM
serious question: I skipped Twilight Princess when it came out. if I am hankering for ZELDER should I play it or Skyward (in 2013 on my PC)
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Post by: Bebpo on December 05, 2011, 07:28:26 PM
TP
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Post by: Bebpo on December 05, 2011, 07:30:50 PM
Twilight Princess has more dungeons and they are about even in quality with Skyward Dungeons (some are better in TP, some are better in SS).  TP has some boring riding around the overworld and sidequests, SS has a lot of padding.  TP has a way better story and more interesting art direction.  TP has far better controls.  SS has nicer graphics and probably better music.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on December 05, 2011, 08:33:35 PM
How can you play SS on your PC with the actual motion plus?
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Post by: Bebpo on December 05, 2011, 08:44:10 PM
There are ways apparently.  A lot of pirates people on gaf were playing it on emu in the dolphin thread.
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Post by: naff on December 05, 2011, 08:47:51 PM
Sync your wiimote and motion plus with bluetooth. You can do it through Dolphin and I'm pretty sure if you have motionplus connected it just works. You can also use a pair of candles instead of an IR bar
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Post by: cool breeze on December 05, 2011, 08:54:38 PM
man this game is shit on a stick. Zelda has never been farther down the drain. Nintendo is killing their own franchises.

The DS games.

...which were also by this guy!

No, Skyward Sword is the Minish Cap guy.
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Post by: cool breeze on December 05, 2011, 09:11:36 PM
I just think Nintendo has seen the money in appealing to the lowest form of intelligence (wait, second lowest if we count nintendo fans).  Zelda SS is an awesome game with a lot (a looooooot) of bad decisions that drag it down.  And it's not like "we fucked up" mistakes, but really deliberate and polished mistakes.  Like the train in Spirit Tracks is a fucking awful decision dragging down legitimately great dungeons; but that train has side quests, bunny collecting, upgrades, and a bunch of shit to reinforce how shit that shit is.

And somethings in Skyward Sword are completely baffling.  Reintroducing items, ayaname rei, tadtones, text speed, stamina, etc.  I can't believe more that one person touched the game and wasn't like "are...are you joking?"   

But maybe people are genuinely dumb, or it was just nintendo fans who forgot how to play video games, because  I saw posts on gaf about (And this is a spoiler for the final boss, so  :nsfw)
spoiler (click to show/hide)
when fighting him they didn't realize you could hold up your sword and summon lightning yourself.  The game had a cutscene where you see the boss raise his semi-identical sword into the air, the same motion as your skyward strike, and charge it with lightning, as it looks with your skyward strike.  Even if it isn't immediately obvious, which it is, are people so weened on linearity that they could even attempt to raise their sword without Fi telling them?
 
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Basic baby gaming language.  They'd fukin pass out trying to learn the wall jump in Super Metroid.  And it's the worst in SS when there is a clever puzzle or dungeon, or the bonus "hard" level in Mario games, and wish they'd just make more games.  Nintendo clearly has some talented people making its games, but their talent is kinda wasted.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 05, 2011, 09:14:30 PM
man, i love being right on skyward sword. you should really listen to me (and demi) more often.
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Post by: demi on December 05, 2011, 09:16:18 PM
i didnt know you could use the lightning either. i watched a video of a person doing that and the fight was a complete joke, even moreso than it already was.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 05, 2011, 10:34:59 PM
man this game is shit on a stick. Zelda has never been farther down the drain. Nintendo is killing their own franchises.

The DS games.

...which were also by this guy!

No, Skyward Sword is the Minish Cap guy.

I thought Minish Cap was by Capcom?
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Post by: SantaC on December 06, 2011, 05:20:44 AM
It is still better than every single JRPG made this generation though.

xenoblade shits on SS in all aspects. It's not even close.
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Post by: magus on December 06, 2011, 05:51:35 AM
But maybe people are genuinely dumb, or it was just nintendo fans who forgot how to play video games, because  I saw posts on gaf about (And this is a spoiler for the final boss, so  :nsfw)
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when fighting him they didn't realize you could hold up your sword and summon lightning yourself.  The game had a cutscene where you see the boss raise his semi-identical sword into the air, the same motion as your skyward strike, and charge it with lightning, as it looks with your skyward strike.  Even if it isn't immediately obvious, which it is, are people so weened on linearity that they could even attempt to raise their sword without Fi telling them?
 
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i didn't realize that either but that's because you can punch the final boss just as well without never doing that
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Post by: Damian79 on December 06, 2011, 06:07:19 PM
It seems that i am just uncoordinated.  My brother plays this game flawlessly.  So i just watch him play it.
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Post by: Barry Egan on December 06, 2011, 06:15:22 PM
soooo I just entered the "search for the triforce" part of the game where

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they scatter all the items you've already accumulated for a stealth section
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annnnnddd fuck it!  don't want to play anymore.  I haven't heard anything that great about the final dungeon so I'll just assume I've already played the best the game has to offer.  What a shame this title couldn't meet it's ambition.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 06, 2011, 06:20:12 PM
I thought I was done with the stealth going into dungeon 6.

:(

That sounds awful.  To think I haven't even started on the tri-force hunt filler section of the game.  ugh.
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Post by: magus on December 06, 2011, 06:25:38 PM
eh it's not that bad bebpo,if you get caught you get sent back like just before the point where the guard walks up and after you retrieve your slingshot,you can just shoot the guard and walk past them

the trials are worse,especialy the last one
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Post by: Bebpo on December 06, 2011, 06:29:24 PM
Why is there another TRIAL

3 trials, 3 dungeons -> NOW YOU CAN OPEN THE GATE.  Why are there more trials?? :(
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Post by: magus on December 06, 2011, 06:33:15 PM
Why is there another TRIAL

3 trials, 3 dungeons -> NOW YOU CAN OPEN THE GATE.  Why are there more trials?? :(

you must suffer for not trusting me and demi when we said the game had a lot of filler :smug
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Post by: Oblivion on December 07, 2011, 03:48:21 AM
I suppose it goes without saying, but NEVER help out a parent who's recently homeless by offering to have them stay with you.

So I get SS a day or two after it comes out, and was planning on playing it throughout Thanksgiving break. Unfortunately, one problem is that we only have one T.V. and it's in the living room where my mom sleeps. I want to take the T.V. into my room at least until I'm done beating the game, but mom whines that she would get bored staring at the wall. So I say fine, I'll play in the living room, but the only thing I ask is that she not speak to me while I'm playing. She doesn't say anything but makes it completely obvious that she's not gonna do that.

Anyway, she goes to sleep, and I start SS and am enjoying myself for the most part. Some time after the first dungeon, I get surprised when all of a sudden, I hear "How are you enjoying your little girl game, SON?" :smug

She was lambasting me for like half an hour, and I just couldn't play the goddamn game any more. Now, I have to wait until I either get a new T.V., or find a proper (read: cheap) old folks home.

Goddamn it all. :(
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Post by: The Sceneman on December 07, 2011, 05:38:51 AM
I suppose it goes without saying, but NEVER help out a parent who's recently homeless by offering to have them stay with you. So I get SS a day or two after it comes out, and was planning on playing it throughout Thanksgiving break. Unfortunately, one problem is that we only have one T.V. and it's in the living room where my mom sleeps. I want to take the T.V. into my room at least until I'm done beating the game, but mom whines that she would get bored staring at the wall. So I say fine, I'll play in the living room, but the only thing I ask is that she not speak to me while I'm playing. She doesn't say anything but makes it completely obvious that she's not gonna do that.

Anyway, she goes to sleep, and I start SS and am enjoying myself for the most part. Some time after the first dungeon, I get surprised when all of a sudden, I hear "How are you enjoying your little girl game, SON?" :smug

She was lambasting me for like half an hour, and I just couldn't play the goddamn game any more. Now, I have to wait until I either get a new T.V., or find a proper (read: cheap) old folks home.

Goddamn it all. :(

this doesn't help the Nintard stereotype at all...
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Post by: Damian79 on December 07, 2011, 06:39:15 AM
WTF you shoudl have told her that if she is bored she should be in the kitchen making you a sandwich or gtfo out the house, it is your house after all?  Seriously what is wrong with you, grow a pair.
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Post by: naff on December 07, 2011, 07:30:34 AM
I suppose it goes without saying, but NEVER help out a parent who's recently homeless by offering to have them stay with you.

:lol your mum giving you shit about playing vidja is no reason to leave her homeless! SMH
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Post by: Damian79 on December 07, 2011, 05:25:17 PM
:lol your mum giving you shit about playing vidja is no reason to leave her homeless! SMH

But demanding to have his only tv is.  I am surprised they arent watching gay porn togehter.  SMH.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 07, 2011, 06:27:12 PM
Moms are tough! (on their Nintard children)
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Post by: demi on December 07, 2011, 08:20:41 PM
owned... lmao
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 09, 2011, 02:54:24 PM
Lmao @ oblivion

My wife heard me starting the game, and thought the stupid metal person was from portal. When she came into the room she said "I thought you were playing portal. This game looks like its ten years old"
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Post by: Himu on December 09, 2011, 02:56:35 PM
:lol
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Post by: Bloodwake on December 11, 2011, 01:26:35 PM
So I just rewiied for this game....

...maybe I should have actually read this thread first....
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Post by: Barry Egan on December 11, 2011, 01:34:32 PM
 :(
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Post by: Bebpo on December 11, 2011, 11:36:15 PM
Ok, now that I finished my "other" long ass rpg I was playing with Trails in the Sky, I guess I will sit down this week and march on through the rest of SS so I can move on to FFXIII-2 or something next week.  I hope the padding doesn't drive me insane.
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Post by: Himu on December 11, 2011, 11:45:07 PM
When does 13-2 come out in japan cuz i demand impressions
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Post by: Bebpo on December 12, 2011, 12:04:08 AM
Thursday.

If I finish Zelda, I won't be in the middle of any long games so I might actually play it when it comes out.  Dunno.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Bebpo on December 12, 2011, 02:13:56 AM
Finished the 6th dungeon.  Dungeon itself was alright.  Enjoyable but nothing memorable.  The boss was another motion control piece of shit.  I hate every boss in this game.  I actually don't mind the filler and padding that much.  When I'm playing SS, I enjoy everything going on except every time I get to a boss fight I want to throw my controller through the tv and fly to nintendo and murder the entire staff of the game so that they never make games again.  I just find all the battles super frustrating and extremely hard in a "hard because the controls SUCK and not because it's actually that challenging boss design" way.

I swear my motion+ is busted.  Whenever I'm in the middle of a fight where I need to swing a lot, at several times without fail the motion+ ALWAYS loses track of the controller and it stops following my arm movements and no matter where I move my arm link just holds the sword straight and runs around like an idiot. 

Imprisoned boss #2 was annoying since you have to use the gusts to get above or below him to get behind him after you knock him down but then YOU CAN'T SEE HIM so you just need to try to guess where he is.  And all the electricity from his feet and fast moving makes fighting him when he's not stunned a total pain and a half.  Ugh, not looking forward to the 3rd time.

At the tadtone quest now.  ~23 hours.  Hopefully I'll finish this by 30 hours and not break my wii from raging too hard at the final bosses and the shitty motion controls making me die on them. 

If this game had standard controller controls, even with the padding I'd still say it's an 8-8.5ish Zelda.  But when the motion controls piss me off it feels like an 8/10 game with 3/10 controls for a 5/10 total.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 12, 2011, 02:15:11 AM
Also, I'm never playing another waggle game on Wii.  Zelda has soured me on this console for good outside of standard analog controlling games.
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Post by: Himu on December 12, 2011, 02:25:06 AM
But didn't you try to defend earlier in the thread that waggle could be good? Or was that magus/brand new?
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Post by: magus on December 12, 2011, 07:35:15 AM
But didn't you try to defend earlier in the thread that waggle could be good? Or was that magus/brand new?

i did say that waggle is good because it's different but the problem is skyward sword barely makes any use out of it,it's really more of a problem of skyward sword not being a good waggle game rather than waggle being bad

and man bebpo is going to have a field day with the final fights,did i mention the only way to deal damage at first is by stabbing? :teehee
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Post by: Bebpo on December 12, 2011, 12:01:36 PM
I won't even play it if that ends up the case.  Zelda is one of my favorite franchise,  but after 2 shitty DS games and now this, it's time to bail.
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Post by: Trent Dole on December 12, 2011, 12:28:25 PM
Oh yeah sure motion controls are great except for the part where THEY DON'T FUCKING WORK.
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Post by: Himu on December 12, 2011, 02:28:32 PM
Welp. Zelda is dead.
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Post by: bork on December 12, 2011, 03:03:48 PM
Welp. Zelda is dead.

Yup.  Guess I'm done with Zelda.  Not that I've even played a recent (console) one since Wind Waker.
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Post by: Damian79 on December 12, 2011, 04:42:11 PM
I think that you are holding the controls wrong Bebpo.  You are supposed to hold it like perpedicular to the tv like (tv-> I    - <-controller), i was always aiming it up and trying to swing right and it always seems ot go on a diagonal.  My brother has no problems with it, completely easy for him.  I just cant help holding the controller at an angle.
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Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on December 12, 2011, 05:51:57 PM
RIP Zelda.
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Post by: Bloodwake on December 12, 2011, 09:53:23 PM
So far I'm enjoying it. Granted I just got to the first dungeon. I really don't feel that it's too bad considering some of the other shit I played on the Wii.

There's parts of the design and concept I like better than Twilight Princess. Orchestrated music really adds to the game. Now the game needs voice acting.

And HD of course.

But so far, yeah, probably the best MotionPlus experience I could have expected.
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Post by: naff on December 13, 2011, 07:02:49 AM
I'm in Lanayru Desert, really liking it. It's a very streamlined Zelda so far, the opening tutorial section in Skyloft was a little boring but it's the best 3D Zelda beginning since Majora's Mask. I never played past the first 3 hours of TP, but everyone saying it's better than SS is making me want to try again...
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Post by: SantaC on December 13, 2011, 07:38:01 AM
what is wrong with buttons and analogue sticks?
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Post by: Bebpo on December 15, 2011, 12:12:57 AM
Finished Tadtones and Imprisoned #3.  Saw like 3 game overs tonight between the two since I'm always running around on like 6 hearts or less and there's fucking stupid shit involved in every task at this point.  Thankfully it keeps the tadtones you've collected if you game over during it.  If I lost 40 mins of tadtone collecting, that would have been the end of me ever playing this game.  I didn't mind the collecting at first, but the swimming controls ARE AWFUL and it just goes on and on.  Fucking hated it by the end.

In the STEALTH FIRE place now.  Will do it next time and then whatever dumb task is in the desert so that I can head to the final dungeon.  I'm hearing from several people that I probably won't be able to beat the final 2 bosses because they are long as shit, with multiple forms, and it's all sword fight and they're actually hard.  Will try to at least get to them and then at worst youtube the ending.

I hate motion controls.  I can't remember ever getting a game over in a zelda game since like Zelda 2 before this.  But I've seen at least a dozen so far in here and I'm always running around with no life and never buy potions.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on December 15, 2011, 09:48:18 PM
I think you're just spazzing out way too much during boss fights bebpo.  I had the same problems at first but once I calmed down and got all methodical and shit everything was smooth as butter.  I maybe had my sword act funky 2 times in the whole game and that is fixed by pointing at the sensor bar for all of one second.  Tadtones took like 15 minutes tops, not sure how much one has to suck to make it 40 min with game overs.  Remember to spin to suck up groups and let go of A for on the spot swimming.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 18, 2011, 07:13:53 PM
Aaaaand I hit the point where the game wants me to redo 20 mins of boring gameplay because I died and the checkpointing is shit.  That wraps it up for this game.  Youtubing the rest of it now.  GJ Nintendo on making a shit playing game and the 2nd Zelda in a row I don't finish (didn't even bother youtubing Spirit Tracks, that game was so bad I couldn't care what happened).

I was in Lanyru, went through entire mine cart follow section.  Last door at the end has 2 of those beam pillars with 1 having the switch behind him.  I'm running around trying to aim with the arrow to shoot one in the face while the other keeps zapping me for 2-3 hearts per zap.  Get killed, and it starts me back in the desert and tells me to do the entire mine cart ride again with all the boring claw shot and climbing and fighting everything along the way.  No reason why the game couldn't have checkpointed at each door you opened for the cart.  Usual shit Nintendo game design.

What a waste of 25 hours.  Could've played a much better game in that time.
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2011, 07:27:58 PM
What a waste of 25 hours. Could've played a much better game in that time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvBPwW9shHA
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Post by: Damian79 on December 18, 2011, 07:31:11 PM
Bebpo did you try what i recommended?  Are you holding the wiimote plus flat to the tv?
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Post by: Bebpo on December 18, 2011, 07:35:13 PM
 :lol

I dunno, it mean it really says something when I've given up on 2 Zelda games in a row despite both being a fan of the franchise and having OCD about finishing every game I start.  I honestly can't think of any other games in the last 2-3 years that I gave up on outside of Spirit Tracks and now Skyward Sword.  It's not that these two games are harder than the other 30-50 games I play a year or anything, they're just more annoying and chore-like than almost any other game in the industry.  Zelda is fun!  But somehow they best they can to turn it into feeling like work.  Slow, tedious, sometimes painful.  I really think the current team is destroying the franchise worse than the FF team :\

On the plus side, watching the game on youtube in 480p quality while being able to seek and skip through all the traveling and errand shit actually makes it more enjoyable!

Bebpo did you try what i recommended?  Are you holding the wiimote plus flat to the tv?

That's how I've been holding it the whole time. 
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Post by: Bebpo on December 18, 2011, 11:14:02 PM
Finished watching the rest of the game.  Game goes on and on.

The final boss fight looked pretty nice and seemed like a good old fashioned sword fight.  Final dungeon seemed kind of fun besides just being MORE RE-USE EVERYTHING.


I don't like how the story was pretty much terrible in this one.  There are tons of cutscenes and TONS of Fi or BZZT npc talking, yet there's so little actual plot in the game.  There are almost no characters besides Link/Groo and the villians are a joke.  Ghiram is worse than Tingle and completely pointless, and
spoiler (click to show/hide)
demise is a turd x 3 fights and then, Ganon precursor yawn
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The antagonists have zero character development and the plot has like nothing going on to it besides UH, KEEP REVISITING THESE THREE PLACES BECAUSE YOU ARE THE HERO AND THERE IS A BLACK TURD SEALED AND WE GOTTA KEEP HIM DOWN.  Compared to stuff like Wind Waker with lively characters and an developed antagonist or even TP, it's like they didn't even bother putting any effort.  Which bugs me since
spoiler (click to show/hide)
they decided to make the game the ZELDA ORIGIN STORY
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Also the game just does not feel like an epic adventure at all because instead of traveling around saving the world of the sky and the ground, you kept going to a forest, a volcano, and an empty desert.  Most boring world ever; not even worth saving.  And what was the point of even making a sky world since the game does nothing with it?  The Sky Temple in TP has more "woah, making using of flying and the sky" than the entire game of SS.  I thought there'd be flying bird battles and pirates in the sky and all kinds of SKY stuff, but nope, just a big empty nothing to fly between 3 pillars of light and a boring town.

The dungeons are solid for sure, and dungeon 4 is spectacular.  But there's not that many of them, and there is SO MUCH FILLER and the game is 15 hours too long and there is no plot motivation to keep progressing or gameplay motivation because you're just going to revist the same location in DARK version of SMOKE version of FLOOD version.  ugh ugh ugh.  And Fi never shuts up.  Even in the ending she never shuts up.  Worst Zelda helper yet.

I think there were good ideas in this somewhere and some good design mixed with the bad.  But this really felt like the FF13 of the Zelda series.  That the team struggled a lot and had no idea wtf they were doing for years.  I'm going to be VERY weary of evening playing the next Zelda at this point.  But I really do hope they can get their stuff together because a good Zelda is a great great game.

They should have the Mario teams make Zelda since Mario seems to be able to keep things fun and good quality.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2011, 11:15:32 PM
Get Retro on Zelda.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 18, 2011, 11:17:13 PM
I would be much happier if Retro was making Zelda than current Zelda team making Zelda.
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Post by: Trent Dole on December 19, 2011, 01:18:20 AM
Bepu doesn't Shiggy keep an eye on the Zelda team upending teat tables and the like? If so and the fact that he inexplicably hates stories in games that could be your answer as to why their barely is one. Maybe once the old man croaks/fucks off to make ipad games or whatever it is he really wants to do they can make a proper Zelda origin game. (Hey Ocarina was supposeld THE FIRST ZELDA EVAR at the time and then they went and made this one be so it's not like it's unprecedented.) And keep Retardo studios the hell away from Zelda. They already wrecked Metroid.
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Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2011, 01:26:26 AM
Bepu doesn't Shiggy keep an eye on the Zelda team upending teat tables and the like? If so and the fact that he inexplicably hates stories in games that could be your answer as to why their barely is one. Maybe once the old man croaks/fucks off to make ipad games or whatever it is he really wants to do they can make a proper Zelda origin game. (Hey Ocarina was supposeld THE FIRST ZELDA EVAR at the time and then they went and made this one be so it's not like it's unprecedented.) And keep Retardo studios the hell away from Zelda. They already wrecked Metroid.

 :lol

 ::)
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Post by: Barry Egan on December 19, 2011, 12:22:58 PM
HIMU are you even planning on playing this game?  I don't blame you for just skipping it. 
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 19, 2011, 02:49:22 PM
This game is fucking boring. I can never play for more than 15 minutes at a time
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Post by: Himu on December 19, 2011, 03:33:18 PM
HIMU are you even planning on playing this game?  I don't blame you for just skipping it.

i'll borrow from my friend
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Post by: magus on December 21, 2011, 12:13:55 PM
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/5148-The-Legend-of-Zelda-Skyward-Sword

i was waiting for this :-[
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Post by: Trent Dole on December 21, 2011, 12:41:07 PM
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/5148-The-Legend-of-Zelda-Skyward-Sword

i was waiting for this :-[
Eh, it's all the same things everyone's been saying on here. Except for the insane claim that this is worse than one of the DS games.
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Post by: pilonv1 on December 22, 2011, 07:31:34 AM
I always find his hatred of motion controls fantastic. Maybe it's due to the stupid animation.

Anyway enjoyed this quite a bit
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 22, 2011, 11:11:13 AM
i didn't mind the motion controls, but i woulda rather just had button presses. skyward sword just isn't a good game REGARDLESS of the controls
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Post by: Bebpo on December 22, 2011, 11:15:50 AM
No, the motion controls are bad as well and make the game's problems even worse.
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Post by: Barry Egan on December 22, 2011, 12:42:55 PM
yep.  The real problem was the uninteresting and repetitive scenarios, and the motion controls added another layer of frustration on top of that. 
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Post by: Barry Egan on December 22, 2011, 01:10:09 PM
Also, the dual fights with Licky McAnimu: surprisingly no fun.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 22, 2011, 01:21:06 PM
He really nails the point about how the game has NO STORY and NO VILLAIN and is entirely about wacking a mole on the head while doing trial after trial after trial.  The plot structure is freaking terrible this time around.

Also I sort of maybe agree with him about Phantom Hourglass being better.  While PH was not great, at least I finished that game.  Something I was unable to do with Spirit Tracks and SS.  Since it appears Yahtzee didn't even play ST, I can see how he'd think SS is the worst zelda he's played.


Additionally, I gotta say I think Yahtzee is the best reviewer in the game media.  Even if I like a game, I tend to agree with all his points and usually share the same opinion as him on most games.  Even without the comedy aspect, his reviews are really good.   
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Post by: demi on December 22, 2011, 01:40:08 PM
Why didnt you listen to me, Bebpo? I played it before it came out and said most of the same complaints. Is it because I'm not a "professional journalist"?
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Post by: Bebpo on December 22, 2011, 01:41:56 PM
No, I got respect knuckles for your tastes.

I was just blinded by Zelda nostalgia for the first 10 hours of the game  :'(
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Post by: SantaC on December 22, 2011, 02:48:21 PM
the game is shit, and yet i cant understand why main stream media and gaf continue to praise and lick shiggy's  ass. Zelda has become a turd and yet only gamespot dared to give it a lower score.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 22, 2011, 03:23:49 PM
The only review that sort of offended me was the Edge one where they gave it GoTY 2011 and said it was the future of "gaming not shackled by buttons"

I wonder if Iwata writes for Edge under an alias.
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Post by: SantaC on December 27, 2011, 05:52:37 AM
i hate the rabid fanboys at gaf who defend any zelda title to death. Nintendo could release a turd in a box, and people over there would still call it GOTY.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 27, 2011, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: Shigeru Miyamoto
With these advances, I think we can say that Skyward Sword is the ultimate Zelda game.

 :miyamoto


 :-\
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Post by: SantaC on December 27, 2011, 03:05:25 PM
You mean the ones acting like there's no problems with Skyward Sword? Yeah those guys are idiots.

yeah exactly
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Post by: Trent Dole on December 27, 2011, 10:37:29 PM
Oh hey they've integrated the god awful 'find the key pieces to get into the dungeon' mechanic that was horrible in Metroid Prime 2. Douseing for where the pieces are is really not very helpful. Why can't I just get their locations marked on my map? So many of their 'new' ideas here are so very terrible.
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Post by: Himu on December 28, 2011, 12:53:42 AM
this thread is dead.

damn, zelda rip
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 28, 2011, 03:38:33 AM
Still love this game

 :miyamoto
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Post by: SantaC on December 28, 2011, 04:12:53 AM
this thread is dead.

damn, zelda rip

RIP Zelda 2006-2011

Nintendo have now released 4 terrible zeldas in a row, wtf someone should get fired.
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Post by: Robo on December 28, 2011, 03:21:43 PM
I picked this up again for a bit over the Christmas break thinking maybe I was being hard on it because of unrealistically elevated expectations or something.  Nope; game is terrible.  I'm done.
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Post by: magus on December 28, 2011, 06:00:00 PM
http://gamasutra.com/view/news/39354/Skyward_Sword_Sells_Less_Than_320K_In_Its_Japanese_Holiday_Debut.php

japan shows superior taste once again, :bow japan :bow2

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/extra-punctuation/9308-Skyward-Sword
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Post by: Positive Touch on December 28, 2011, 08:28:01 PM
THE ULTIMATE ZELDA

you're rich, nintendo.  you don't have to release subpar entries into your series; spend some extra time and ahh whatever fuck you nintendo, youre just an empty shell now
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Post by: Tasty on December 28, 2011, 09:40:59 PM
Still haven't played it. I should be getting it this weekend if stuff goes well though.

I have to thank you guys though, reviews hyped me up WAY too high for TP and it took a second playthrough before I finally started loving it. With SS I'm expecting it to be Ninjabread Man levels so I'll probably end up loving it right off the bat.

Hype is a hell of a drug.
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Post by: Trent Dole on December 29, 2011, 01:39:04 AM
And having spent a crazy amount of time getting the stupid key pieces for the Volcano Temple I clear the thing in like an hour. :lol Why not just make actual dungeons instead of lots of inane padding? For all my complaints I am digging this, it's a fucking console Zelda. It's sadly a last gen console, but still! :zelda
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Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2011, 09:02:08 AM
Got my $8 WiiMote Plus from the Best Buy Flingsmash deal. Totally not going to read all 35 pages, bounced around a bit, but will trust the Bore, someone confirm/deny this has like a 40 hour tutorial to start.
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Post by: Barry Egan on December 30, 2011, 09:27:58 AM
tutorial is a little bit shorter than TP I suppose. 
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Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2011, 09:38:38 AM
That's good then, one of the worst parts of TP. Will probably give it a romp no matter what, just was wondering how long it takes to get going.

Have heard so much about this in so many directions, can't tell what's FUD.
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Post by: demi on December 30, 2011, 07:17:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_mOHekVAj4

Great review :bow
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Post by: Sho Nuff on December 30, 2011, 10:07:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_mOHekVAj4

Great review :bow

Holy shit  :lol

NAViGATR lives!!!
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Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2011, 10:35:47 PM
Just started playing.

Like it so far. Intro seemed short(er).
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Post by: Trent Dole on December 30, 2011, 10:42:35 PM
Intro's nowhere near the insufferable length that TP's was. I could see myself playing again sometime if it weren't for the crazy amount of other worthwhile stuff that got released 4th quarter this year.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on December 30, 2011, 10:54:10 PM
sorry, I just assumed we all knew that NAViGATR was dead or something.

Has anyone ever figured out just what in the fuck those guys are? On their websites they talk about going on cruises and giant awards shows and shit, I don't know if it's just some giant delusional thing in that guy's mind
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Post by: Sho Nuff on December 30, 2011, 11:02:20 PM
Oh holy fucking shit I just read this Cracked article
http://www.cracked.com/funny-5818-george-wood/ (http://www.cracked.com/funny-5818-george-wood/)

And GEORGE WOOD IS NOT DEAD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLsGEKas11A
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Post by: Trent Dole on December 31, 2011, 04:33:05 PM
I hear it told that the mote+ works way better than the motion+ dongle that plugs into a regular ass remote. Can anyone here confirm this?
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Post by: demi on December 31, 2011, 04:40:13 PM
Does it really matter? Is there a mod that makes the game not suck peenus?
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 31, 2011, 04:52:37 PM
the problem isn't the waggle. the problem is the lack of interesting content, replaced with backtracking, animu, and mini-games.
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Post by: Trent Dole on December 31, 2011, 06:52:52 PM
Trollololololol, right.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 31, 2011, 09:35:31 PM
i dunno, did your skyward sword come with a large overworld and 7-8 large, complex, unique and un-reused dungeons? 'cuz mine came with three crappy little areas that were recycled ad nauseum, six rather poor-to-mediocre abbreviated dungeons, and a whole ton of animu/mini-game/backtrack filler.
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Post by: SantaC on January 02, 2012, 05:23:16 AM
nintendo has no vision or creativity for zelda anymore. I bet that Zela Wii U will be the same crap recycled for the millionth time. These games are not worth your time.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2012, 05:36:32 AM
Just beat the first dungeon, honest thoughts:

Motion controls could be better. They're like 75% there, but man, that 25% feels big.

I like the combat, for the most part. I actually felt some good satisfaction figuring out how to kill spiders for myself. Beetle is one of the best recent items, and wouldn't be as good without motion control. That said, motion control is used way too much. Don't want to waggle to flap wings. Don't want to contort the controller when diving into a small circle. Don't really want to use it to balance on a tightrope. Ghirahim boss fight could have been improved, didn't know what to do so I just circle strafed him and randomly flailed til I got an opening.

I like the collection/upgrading aspect. The bug collecting feels very WW-esque (even though it was in TP.) Flying feels WW-esque, which I like.

As for the upgrading, I don't know if the MH-ization of the series is necessarily the absolute correct way to go, but I'm on board. The implementation here feels like they're testing the waters for something bigger. It's fine by me. If Link is truly meant to be "us," then let us customize the hell out of his gear and loadout. I'm more OK with MH-ization than RPG-ification. In this respect, recycled areas can sort of be forgiven. I think all of us would be more fine though with a unified, open-ended but dense overworld that you have to keep exploring and coming back to certain parts once you've gained new items. As it is, SS feels in the center between TP, WW, and the original Zelda. As far as I can tell right now of course, I have yet to see the rest of the game.

First dungeon was like 1/4 as long as I would expect. Forest Temple in TP shames this as a first dungeon.

I really, really like the dash and pseudo-parkour stuff. It makes the game feel a lot more modern (though still not completely so.) I can't help but think this is was TP should have played like. Going back to older Zeldas after this game, I imagine, will be difficult. Still, I'm unsure of the stamina gauge. It's cool to have to strategically manage its use, but it could grow to be annoying by the end of the game. Maybe a series of items/potions will be introduced that gradually extend it? You know, as a reward instead of ruppees? If not, then that's the idea they should take for the next game.

Another area that makes the game feel more modern is the dialogue options. They don't really do anything, but they're not detracting from the overall experience. I'm glad they're included, but like the upgrade stuff, it feels like they're only laying the basic groundwork to capitalize on it better later.

I can see why many hate Fi, but she hasn't really bothered me yet. I miss Midna though, a lot. Her snark was perfect.

I'm glad you guys were down on the game as it's let me temper my expectations. Probably because of that, I'm really enjoying the game thus far.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Tasty on January 05, 2012, 12:11:22 AM
Just beat the third dungeon, more thoughts.

Second dungeon was kind of weak, had some interesting mechanics but was still a bit short. Didn't have any problems with the boss though, I thought I heard it was one of the worst bosses in gaming? Or something hyperbolic like that when the SS backlash train started rolling.

I take back what I said earlier about the controls, or rather the specifics. I'd say they work 80-85% of the  time. That 15-20% is still huge and frustrating, but it got better when I learned not to just blindly waggle.

I don't get all the "ANIMU ANIMU ANIMU" complaints. The story and characters are, like, certifiably Zelda. They're not anything else. I was really worried there for a sec, but thankfully this complaint seems completely fabricated. At least at this point.

Disappointed in the sky overworld. It feels small and yet still somewhat empty. I was hoping for a WW ocean in the clouds, although maybe this is it, I haven't played WW in a long time so it may be rose tinted glasses.

The pre-dungeon areas are awesome. All this game needed was three wide "roads" (fields) connecting the three areas that were as dense and involved as the pre-dungeon areas. Then SS would be awesome, and we'd all get the overworld we've always wanted (with the sky as a nice bonus.)

Fourth dungeon was tight and easily the best so far. It wouldn't feel out of place in Twilight Princess, and may in fact be stronger than several of TP's weaker ones. Still, it was a little short.

I'm still not sure how I feel about the day/night split. One thing I loved with TP was staying in areas as day and night passed, gave a real sense of fluidity to the world. Or something. Still, I like having control over things since it's obviously important as different stuff happens at day/night.

One thing I will definitely :bow to Zelda team over is fixing the ruppee system. Tons of stuff to buy, easy to get wallet upgrades.

In addition to that, it's also easily better than TP when it comes to sidequests. I mean, the Batreux thing could have been completely missing and it wouldn't have mattered, but it's a great example of all the trademark crazy extra stuff.

Really digging the upgrades and bug collecting.

Warming up to the game even more.
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Post by: Tasty on January 05, 2012, 07:17:52 AM
More thoughts since I know you all are hanging on my every word.

Harp control is grade-A bullshit. Would be nice to have some indication I was messing up, but this is is basically Wii Music so whatever.

Really really really liking the sidequests and collectathoning for some reason. Although that love triangle one was painful, should have given the paper to the ghost in the toilet.

Absolutely LOVED the first Silent Realm. This is the first time I've ever felt a "forced stealth" section has been done right. It's very forgiving so if you mess up, you know it's your fault. And it's tense. And I love the aesthetic. I mean, this is basically a stealthy rehash of the bad tears of light section from TP, but this is much much better. Probably because of the beacons, and also because you can also collect some valuable Dusk Relics, which makes you decide whether you want to even risk going for them. I love it.

Don't get the hate for the Kikwi's. They're fine. Better than those douchebag robots at least. Mogma's are cool. Enemy design in general is above average, although boss character design has been either stupid or borderline generic. A shame after TP's cool looking (but easy) bosses.

Dowsing I could take or leave. I don't feel it detracts from the game. But like most of the cursor-related stuff, it should have used IR.

Totally don't get Wrath's earlier comment about there being too many cutscenes. I mean, I know they sorted of lauded this one has X minutes of cinematics, but I don't feel it at all. Feels like it has pretty much the same as other Zelda games. The post-dungeon 3 cutscene was cool but I wish it wasn't spoiled in pretty much all the trailers.

Text speed didn't bother me until after I beat the third dungeon. Now it's getting annoying. It's also super grating you can't choose a specific amount of items to sell to Mr. Smiles or Bug Kid. Just 1, 5, or all. Coding-wise it's obvious their dialogue system wasn't flexible for it. When I replay this in Dolphin, definitely going for that instant-text patch.

The Thunderdome or whatever is cool, very very reminiscent of WW. But it's small and barren like the rest of the sky.

I really like REAL TIME WEAPONS CHANGE™, even though it was awkward to get used to at first. But now I just love whipping my junk out and catching bugs with it.  :teehee
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: demi on January 05, 2012, 09:13:22 AM
Second dungeon was kind of weak, had some interesting mechanics but was still a bit short. Didn't have any problems with the boss though, I thought I heard it was one of the worst bosses in gaming? Or something hyperbolic like that when the SS backlash train started rolling.

The fire/bomb boss is nothing short of a tutorial enemy. How it is classified as a boss is beyond words. There is nothing hyperbolic about it.
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Post by: magus on January 05, 2012, 10:07:17 AM
is that... i don't know the 4th boss in the zelda series where the strategy is "throw bomb in his mouth"?

nintendo is the company that people call "creative" right? :fbm
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Tasty on January 05, 2012, 03:45:16 PM
Second dungeon was kind of weak, had some interesting mechanics but was still a bit short. Didn't have any problems with the boss though, I thought I heard it was one of the worst bosses in gaming? Or something hyperbolic like that when the SS backlash train started rolling.

The fire/bomb boss is nothing short of a tutorial enemy. How it is classified as a boss is beyond words. There is nothing hyperbolic about it.

It's simple and easy to be sure. But I don't think it's a bad boss. Or rather, I don't think it wasn't fun to play.
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Post by: Trent Dole on January 05, 2012, 04:22:32 PM
Oh hey Andrex is at pretty much the exact same point I got to last night, or should I say this morning since I stopped at 5:30 a.m. Isn't Fi's singing bizarre/creepy as hell?
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Tasty on January 05, 2012, 04:25:01 PM
Oh hey Andrex is at pretty much the exact same point I got to last night, or should I say this morning since I stopped at 5:30 a.m. Isn't Fi's singing bizarre/creepy as hell?

Yeah, but to me it only reinforces that she's a total robot. Dancing or no.
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Post by: Tasty on January 07, 2012, 06:27:21 AM
Right in the middle of Dungeon 6 (Fire Sanctuary.) More thoughts!

Loved the fourth and fifth dungeons. Fifth was cool but I unfortunately had the gimmick spoiled for me. Fourth was pure Zelda, loved all the puzzles but it was a bit short. Fifth was a good length.

But good lord, the fifth has to be a series low in terms of boss character design. Looked like Patrick from Spongebob but with dreads. I was hoping Scaldera was a fluke because it was the first "real" boss, but I think this may have the worst-designed pack of bosses in the series. Major step down from TP. Having said that, the fifth boss was pretty fun -- really tense, came pretty close to dying but I persevered. Shiva/Koloktos was an OK boss but felt more like a miniboss.

The escort mission was the most explicit and egregious example of padding in this game. No reason otherwise why we shouldn't have just landed where we wanted to. Even still, it's probably better than TP's escort mission, which was just annoying and seemed slightly out of place.

The "backtracking" through the pre-dungeon parts really isn't that bad. Really, if the three locations were connected, this is actually what I'd want the overworld of a Zelda to be. It also really helps they built in a lot of shortcuts.

Man, the sky is just so barren. I was just thinking without the Goddess Cubes it would be nothing, and really there's no reason otherwise why the chests shouldn't be exactly where the cubes are. Other than to trick you into thinking the sky is worth exploring.

Played the last Silent Realm (the third, I assume it's the last at least) and I still love them. Executed very well on what was a questionable idea.

The sixth dungeon so far, if I'm correct in my estimation, is just the right length. As in, lengthy.

I think this falls a bit short of TP as far as dungeons go, but in terms of items, I think SS may take the series crown. Upgraded Beetle and Mogma Mitts are top-tier, whip and gust bellows are really cool, scattershot and bow are boilerplate good, and it's great you can upgrade a couple of them yourself. The only poor spot is the double clawshots. It's nice to get both at the same time, but they're lacking functionality compared to TP (being able to raise and lower yourself.) There's probably good game design explanations for why that is, but the fact remains they're less functional and thus less fun to use.

Speaking of items, I was going through this dungeon and realized it actually used a bunch of them. Gust bellows, clawshots, mitts, beetle. It's very well designed  and well integrated and, along with an actual difficulty increase, makes it feel like the game is progressing. With TP, you could have mixed up the order of most of the dungeons and it wouldn't have mattered. It's good to see the Zelda team do pay attention to constructive complaints like this and the rupee situation.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Trent Dole on January 07, 2012, 02:51:05 PM
Goddamn son, you're further than me by a touch and I spent two night playing until like 5:30! :lol Of course I took yesterday off to catch up on sleep and figuring my neighbors would be a bunch of noisy twits waking me up early cause it's Saturday. Needless to say this game is addictive as fuck in spite of its glaring flaws.
Title: Re: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
Post by: Tasty on January 07, 2012, 05:27:47 PM
Goddamn son, you're further than me by a touch and I spent two night playing until like 5:30! :lol Of course I took yesterday off to catch up on sleep and figuring my neighbors would be a bunch of noisy twits waking me up early cause it's Saturday. Needless to say this game is addictive as fuck in spite of its glaring flaws.

Lol, it's hard to stop. I had to force myself to quit this morning midway through dungeon 6 because I knew if I got any further, I'd have to beat the boss, then see a cutscene, then since this is the last "planned" dungeon at this point there'd be a ton of stuff to do and I'd do it all. :lol

Agreed. I have a lot of problems with SS but it's still a very good, entertaining, and enjoyable game.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 07, 2012, 05:38:41 PM
just wait for the tadtones  :-\
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Post by: Tasty on January 08, 2012, 04:19:44 PM
just wait for the tadtones  :-\

I yelled out "WTF" when it happened but eh, it wasn't that bad. A low spot of the game for sure, but not that annoying. If they had put a timer on the whole thing though, I would probably have considered stopping playing. But since there wasn't I was free to explore and find them at my own pace. Besides that, I sort of tricked my brain into thinking I was playing an SMG water stage (shake to spin and go faster even works!)

The padding is getting obvious at this point though. If the Silent Realms were "stealth segments done right" then the Eldin "hunt fo yo shit all over again Metroid-style!" would definitely be stealth segments done bad. In addition, recycling the same boss three times with minor tweaks is something out of Okami's crappy playbook.
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Post by: Trent Dole on January 09, 2012, 07:55:40 PM
Opened the time gate or whatever and lol at the storyline revelations. Love me some cliches. Also fuck the timed target hitting event thing, that made me stop for the day.  :yuck
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Post by: Tasty on January 09, 2012, 10:49:53 PM
Opened the time gate or whatever and lol at the storyline revelations. Love me some cliches. Also fuck the timed target hitting event thing, that made me stop for the day.  :yuck

The pumpkin chucking thing?
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Post by: Trent Dole on January 09, 2012, 11:57:15 PM
Opened the time gate or whatever and lol at the storyline revelations. Love me some cliches. Also fuck the timed target hitting event thing, that made me stop for the day.  :yuck

The pumpkin chucking thing?
No, no, the fly your bird into x targets in two minutes thing.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 10, 2012, 11:06:47 AM
I remember finishing that in 30~ seconds, suck less
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Post by: Tasty on January 10, 2012, 05:45:18 PM
Opened the time gate or whatever and lol at the storyline revelations. Love me some cliches. Also fuck the timed target hitting event thing, that made me stop for the day.  :yuck

The pumpkin chucking thing?
No, no, the fly your bird into x targets in two minutes thing.

Oh, that took me a few tries but once you get the hang of it it's easy.

Anyways I'm on the seventh (and last?) dungeon, with a bunch of rooms that have literally copy-pasted assets from the other areas. =/ If this is the last dungeon it's more of a letdown than Hyrule Castle in TP.
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Post by: magus on January 10, 2012, 06:54:55 PM
it is :teehee

A TRIUMPH
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Post by: Tasty on January 11, 2012, 05:40:27 AM
Beat it, I really like this game.

I liked the characters were more involved and the story as a whole was much more focused than TP (the whole Ordon village/kids/Illia stuff felt like filler.) Gameplay wise, I loved the items, and thought the motion controls were good for the most part. Wouldn't mind going back to a standard controller, but wouldn't mind if they tightened up the motion controls either. Skyloft was awesome and the best town in a while. Also dug the story overall.

However, the game just has too much padding and it feels cheap because of that. As many bad things as I can say about TP, I can't say it had much padding. The start is slow, but each of the dungeons was entirely its own thing. And they were long dungeons, with unique and well designed bosses. SS recycles too much, and its bosses aren't as well designed.

Most of all though, I realized when the credits played and I heard the Zelda/field theme that this doesn't feel like a Zelda game to me. That's not a bad thing, MM doesn't really either. I sort of equate "Zelda" with unbridled adventure, and the sky/ground split didn't evoke that feeling. If they can fill in the ground world of SS between the pre-dungeon areas like those areas, it would be an incredibly solid overworld. But they'd also probably need to add a few more areas, too.

I desperately need to replay WW and TP to see where I would rank this game.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 11, 2012, 10:17:52 PM
haha, you paid attention to the story

what an aniphag
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Post by: Tasty on January 11, 2012, 11:42:51 PM
Yeah so? I'm not saying it's OSCAR WORTHY or anything, but it's part of the reason I like playing each new installment.

Your skills are pretty dull if that's all you got to troll with.
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Post by: Rman on January 16, 2012, 09:32:25 AM
Love the art direction, but I'm not too fond of the backtracking.
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Post by: demi on January 16, 2012, 09:40:02 AM
Yeah so? I'm not saying it's OSCAR WORTHY or anything, but it's part of the reason I like playing each new installment.

Your skills are pretty dull if that's all you got to troll with.

lol.

Did you get hard knowing Link was going to have an EPIC ADVENTURE on Koholint Island in LINKS AWAKENING?

Then he fights a black blob and the end
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Post by: Tasty on January 16, 2012, 09:46:37 AM
Never played LA. One of my many gaming sins I hope to repent eventually.
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Post by: demi on January 16, 2012, 09:50:01 AM
underage alert
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Post by: Tasty on January 16, 2012, 10:17:01 AM
LttP is my favorite Zelda though. So I know I have to give it a try when I can.
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Post by: Himu on January 16, 2012, 11:12:12 AM
Yeah so? I'm not saying it's OSCAR WORTHY or anything, but it's part of the reason I like playing each new installment.

Your skills are pretty dull if that's all you got to troll with.

lol.

Did you get hard knowing Link was going to have an EPIC ADVENTURE on Koholint Island in LINKS AWAKENING?

Then he fights a black blob and the end

(http://i.imgur.com/E8jxG.jpg)

IT WAS ALL A DREAM
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Post by: demi on January 16, 2012, 11:14:04 AM
But he sees a silhouette so it totally was real
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Post by: SantaC on January 16, 2012, 03:46:40 PM
Every story in zelda is crap, but atleast Zelda LA was fun. Best of the worst is probably wind waker though.
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Post by: Bebpo on January 16, 2012, 03:51:14 PM
WTFFFF

WW was one of the few Zelda with a good story.  SS is definitely the worst Zelda story if we don't count the DS games because they shouldn't really exist.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 16, 2012, 04:22:35 PM
Yeah so? I'm not saying it's OSCAR WORTHY or anything, but it's part of the reason I like playing each new installment.

Your skills are pretty dull if that's all you got to troll with.

i just gotta remind myself that you're, like, twelve. i remember the shit i thought was good when i was 12, too, like david eddings and the transformers
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Post by: Himu on January 16, 2012, 04:24:32 PM
when I was 12, I loved Final Fantas-oh wait

(http://i.imgur.com/Py3qy.gif)
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Post by: Trent Dole on January 16, 2012, 09:58:08 PM
Game is still sitting on my shelf stinking the place up. Perhaps i should try it....

some reviews and pod cast comments "It's sooooooo goooooooooooooooooood" especially from some corners were decided BEFORE the game was played, so i'm going to just go ahead and say this is absolute sht and the same old wank fest disappointment.

Aggregated TheBore opinion : How close would i be?
(http://i.imgur.com/Py3qy.gif)
Don't trust The Bore's opinion on N releases.
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Post by: cool breeze on January 17, 2012, 03:40:03 AM
well if you thought twilight princess was bad, this won't change your mind.  although some people who thought twilight princess was great thought this was bad.

other than what oscar said, there's a persistent dumbness and slowness.  be it the companion character interrupting playtime, ridiculously unskippable text speed, reintroducing items and pointing out where they fit in your inventory, et al. the game sometimes feels insultingly off putting to play.  I liked it a lot and mostly ignored those problems because I really like the core Zelda gameplay.  If you're not really that jazzed about dungeons, puzzles and the whole Zelda rigmarole, maybe it's not worth suffering through the unflattering parts of the game. 

there's also some bad padding later in the game and it feels longer than it ought to be.  not good padding neither, if there is such a thing; sometimes repeating the worst parts of the game or some inexplicable collecting.  some people have troubles with the motion controls too.  They were fine for the most part, except for how unnecessary most of them felt when the analog stick was unbound.
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Post by: Damian79 on January 17, 2012, 03:50:00 AM
I hated TP and WW and thoguth this was good for some reason.
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Post by: Tasty on January 17, 2012, 05:21:06 AM
>doesn't play game
>tells others not to bother with said game
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Post by: Tasty on January 17, 2012, 05:56:11 AM
u grouchy
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Post by: SantaC on January 17, 2012, 12:57:22 PM
this game isnt worth it really, especially with so much shit padding.
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Post by: Trent Dole on January 17, 2012, 07:03:58 PM
At the shell game post song getting dungeon. This thing is just one horrible tedious blatant piece of padding after another BUT I CANNOT STOP PLAYING.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 18, 2012, 01:11:14 AM
If I have this straight, padding=revisited area?  Padding to me was having to go back to the song of isles to get an arbitrary song.  Or getting the sacred water in the first dungeon  THAT was padding.  Otherwise, the game is constantly introducing subareas or remixing old areas for new objectives which often ask for new variations on the gameplay. 

As someone who likes overworld zelda stuff more, I appreciated the compact dungeons.  Only one I was 'meh' was number 6, as the solutions didn't require much lateral thinking there.  The puzzle integration into the overworld greatly overshadows any complaint.

The most damning thing I can say about the game is that it still can't compare to a 2d Zelda that knows how to shut the fuck up.  But its definitely the best 3d entry by a wide margin.  Still, the relative market underperformance of Skyward makes me hope they're cracking at a 2d console iteration.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 20, 2012, 01:33:54 AM
I wouldn't say it's the games fault...I had a hard time getting used to it at first because it's not like any motion-game you've ever played, but by the first dungeon I was fine.

Honestly dc if you haven't enjoyed the last few Zeldas then I think you won't enjoy this.  That's okay.  Some people just outgrow Zelda, and that's a perfectly legitimate preference.  If Zelda is anything these days, its divisive.  It's much too discussed and nitpicked for a videogame.  If Nintendo was smart, they'd approach the series from a Mario standpoint -- don't try and worry about some dumb story to explain your mechanics and flow; just let the gameplay speak for itself.  Galaxy 1 and 2 have shown us that Nintendo still has a strength for developing and innovation in standard gaming – now let's see that in Zelda.

I still loved SS, for full disclosure.  But I can understand people's issues with it.