step 3- forget about it completely until the next shooting
Um, no. Reversing the 2nd amendment isn't going to happen anytime soon, kids or no kids.step 3- forget about it completely until the next shooting
maybe not, when it comes to kids I think they might put their foot down. defcon 4, bore armament squad (all three of us), get whatever you wanted in the future now, let your bank account take the hit, stick and move people, stick and move...
Um, no. Reversing the 2nd amendment isn't going to happen anytime soon, kids or no kids.
Jesus Christ, what is wrong with people?
Is it confirmed 2 Gunmen?
this doesn't change my stance on gunsThis is basically my stance as well.
it changes my stance on the requirements for obtaining them
Friday, December 14, 2012
Guns
When I am your benevolent dictator I will actually take all of your guns away, but until that day comes I really don't know what can be done given our current understanding of the constitution. There are a lot of guns out there, they're easy to obtain, and I'm not really sure what could change that.
We do need more and better access to mental health services in this country.
by Atrios at 13:04
It's just amazing to me the things that people will absolutely freak out over, but then something like this happens and those same people are suddenly like "Woah, let's settle down a bit here and not do anything rash [like banning guns]."
It might also be because people tend to react by trying to legislate a solution to the symptoms of a much bigger problem. And they enact pointless and ineffective legislation at that (94 assault rifle ban).It's just amazing to me the things that people will absolutely freak out over, but then something like this happens and those same people are suddenly like "Woah, let's settle down a bit here and not do anything rash [like banning guns]."
Because it challenges their belief system. Sucks, but that's the truth.
Private-property owners can still ban the weapons under trespass laws, but not schools and other public venues, said Ryan Mitchell, an aide to Green who worked closely on the legislation.
I think there needs to be a dual-pronged resposne focusing on an overhaul of our mental health system and some sort gun control reform. Not an outright ban, but a reality check concerning certain types of firearms.I agree in extra hoops to getting guns. I really think required classes and a tighter background check would be nice. But banning assault rifles is pointless. There are hunting rifles that could do more damage. Trying to classify guns this way is a really superficial way to satisfy people who aren't knowledgable about firearms. It does nothing.
This is way too fucked for me to intelligently comment on.
But background checks don't do much good when a person hasn't done anything previously, and then decides to "snap" after obtaining one legally.Me neither. But when I say background checks I mean to include mental health assessments. Homeboy in Colorado had previous mental health issues. I think the focus needs to be on the mental health of this country.
I don't know, I don't claim to have the answers.
Is there confirmation on the weapon used?
Is there confirmation on the weapon used?
Is there confirmation on the weapon used?anything with a long barrel that isn't bolt action is an assault rifle according to the media. but seriously, I don't think so.
http://www.facebook.com/rlanza
Is there confirmation on the weapon used?
I don't think there's any confirmation yet, but there were apparently 4 guns used and one of them was .223 caliber rifle.
They're saying now that the school principal was the first to be shot [at the school] and this guy also killed his mother at home before going to the school. :-\
http://www.facebook.com/rlanza
If that's not him... he better watch his back because there's a lot of angry fox news peeps sharing his facebook info. :ninja.
that's not him duder.
The principal and school psychologist were killed in the shooting, according to CNN.
edit: PD your state has more fucked up people in it that any other in the country.....no fucking wonder the idiots in Michigan thought was a good idea.
I'm fine with the second amentment, but it baffles me that it's fiercest supporters constantly feel the best way to defend it is to...allow guns everywhere. Why does someone need a fucking gun at a daycare?
GOD ARTICLE IN THE OP DID NOT FUCKING SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE GUN MAN. WAS THE GUN MAN A CHILD OR AN ADULT. FUCK
Jesus Christ, this is terrible. All inflicted are in my heart. FUCK. What is WRONG WITH PEOPLE.Hey. Are you going to go see The Hobbit with us tomorrow?
Jesus Christ, this is terrible. All inflicted are in my heart. FUCK. What is WRONG WITH PEOPLE.Hey. Are you going to go see The Hobbit with us tomorrow?
it has been proven again and again and again that these shooters specifically target these "gun free" zones.
pd, it baffles me that you are baffled, the people a law like that allows to carry WOULD HAVE BEEN the victims of a shooting hypothetically. they aren't the ones who commit crimes or murders. it has been proven again and again and again that these shooters specifically target these "gun free" zones. it gives the public a fighting chance instead of being fish in a barrel.
Defensive gun use is bull.
To be clear: I'm not disputing that guns sometimes save lives. They must. I'm certainly not disputing that the Constitution secures the right of individual gun ownership. It does. I'm questioning the claim that widespread gun ownership makes America a safer place.
what are you implying?Nah, you gave cut and paste NRA talking points without thinking of the context.
we were having a meta convo and i gave a meta answer.
I think I paid 14 bucks. I doubt it will be sold out but I'm not sure. I'll check tonight for ya. :DJesus Christ, this is terrible. All inflicted are in my heart. FUCK. What is WRONG WITH PEOPLE.Hey. Are you going to go see The Hobbit with us tomorrow?
Fuck yes I am. What are the chances of tix being sold out and how much for a tix? If you get me a ticket to sit alongside you guys I will pay you tomorrow.
Drew, this isn't gaf. You can admit to being a heel and wrong and nobody's gonna ride your ass.
des
It's ok to let an Internet persona fade away once in awhile.
I'll check that out. I've only recently discovered podcasts. A gun podcast would be sweet.Drew, this isn't gaf. You can admit to being a heel and wrong and nobody's gonna ride your ass.
des
It's ok to let an Internet persona fade away once in awhile.
what are you on about? i let my persona fade away years ago, dude. what you see is what you get. i don't think i am wrong, there are countless accounts of guns being used effectively to save lives, defuse situations (although plenty of people do ramp up situations unnecessarily with them too I ADMIT), and protect property. i hear of at least a dozen stories every week, and that's just by listening to one podcast (GunDudes, it's good mupepe, listen in)
These shooters need to be more media saavy. Doing this on a Friday is totally going to diminsh their 15 minutes of fame.
Seems like there is an untapped job market for media consultants to mass murderers.
I've been avoiding watching the news, I know all the details now I don't really want to hear about it anymore tbh. Nothing good will come of it, just a huge media circus for the next few weeks, something irrelevant will be blamed like videogames or heavy metal, people saying "WHY DIDN'T WE NOTICE THE SIGNS??" and then nothing will happen, Fuck this gay earth.
This wasn't even about this shooting, but I saw it yesterday, and pretty much yeah:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/authorities-not-even-going-to-bother-looking-for-m,30708/
I've been avoiding watching the news, I know all the details now I don't really want to hear about it anymore tbh. Nothing good will come of it, just a huge media circus for the next few weeks, something irrelevant will be blamed like videogames or heavy metal, people saying "WHY DIDN'T WE NOTICE THE SIGNS??" and then nothing will happen, Fuck this gay earth.
This wasn't even about this shooting, but I saw it yesterday, and pretty much yeah:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/authorities-not-even-going-to-bother-looking-for-m,30708/
yeah i refuse to give the media any attention and the less I know about this the better as it's terrible.
well hey! You'd make a great member.
True, he makes a shitty human being
I do wonder what effect circumcision has on a baby boys brain...in paticular the development of empathy. Such a violent act on a newborn has to have a neurological effect. Europeans don't circumcise and and seem to be a less violent society.spoiler (click to show/hide)not mine, but I wish it were[close]
Your first reaction to this was that people in schools should have guns.
You may not realize it, but you're a shitty person.
how can you say that is bullshit, it is a fact. it is an undebateable statement. and you really think a metal detector would stop a mass shooter? really?
lol. Don't let countervailing evidence get in the way of what you "think." That'd be reasonable.Drew, this isn't gaf. You can admit to being a heel and wrong and nobody's gonna ride your ass.
des
It's ok to let an Internet persona fade away once in awhile.
what are you on about? i let my persona fade away years ago, dude. what you see is what you get. i don't think i am wrong, there are countless accounts of guns being used effectively to save lives, defuse situations (although plenty of people do ramp up situations unnecessarily with them too I ADMIT), and protect property. i hear of at least a dozen stories every week, and that's just by listening to one podcast (GunDudes, it's good mupepe, listen in)
Gov. Fuckabee weighs in
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/huckabee-schools-place-of-carnage-because-we-systematically
That God. He's so powerful, he can deflect bullets matrix style n shit
These shooters need to be more media saavy. Doing this on a Friday is totally going to diminsh their 15 minutes of fame.
Seems like there is an untapped job market for media consultants to mass murderers.
I dunno. I've looked to the back of my theatre every time I've gone to the movies since DKR. I'm nervous about going to the Hobbit now because of this shooting.
Really? I don't know why this caught my eye, since I think you have legitimate reasoning behind it. But you can say the same for anything, you can literally die at any second, or that is what I think and have somewhat accepted long ago. Doesn't mean I wouldn't try to survive if i was caught in a similar situation.
Perhaps the middle ground we could see
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/12/a_path_to_change_maybe.php?ref=fpblg
Gov. Fuckabee weighs in
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/huckabee-schools-place-of-carnage-because-we-systematically
Perhaps the middle ground we could seeExcept that banning them previously did nothing to the statistics. I love when the left, who loves to (rightfully) use statistics to back up their arguments clearly ignores statistics on previous attempts of gun control. And this guy (althoug he comes from a "gun owning family") doesn't seem to know much about guns. These assault rifles basically are hunting guns. A Colt LE6920 is a scarier looking version of a Ruger Ranch Rifle. If this guy wants to legislate what firearms I can and cannot own I'd appreciate it if he did a little bit of research. That is what bugs gun owners. How effective can legislation be coming from people who are so unfamiliar with the subject? Legal gun owners are going to be marginalized and screwed because people want an easy answer and they write shitty and ineffective legislation that does nothing to curb the violence.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/12/a_path_to_change_maybe.php?ref=fpblg
Perhaps the middle ground we could seeExcept that banning them previously did nothing to the statistics. I love when the left, who loves to (rightfully) use statistics to back up their arguments clearly ignores statistics on previous attempts of gun control. And this guy (althoug he comes from a "gun owning family") doesn't seem to know much about guns. These assault rifles basically are hunting guns. A Colt LE6920 is a scarier looking version of a Ruger Ranch Rifle. If this guy wants to legislate what firearms I can and cannot own I'd appreciate it if he did a little bit of research. That is what bugs gun owners. How effective can legislation be coming from people who are so unfamiliar with the subject?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/12/a_path_to_change_maybe.php?ref=fpblg
You apparently missed my earlier post where I emphasized required classes for ownership and tighter (including mental health) background checks. Not to mention a real push for mental health in this country.Perhaps the middle ground we could seeExcept that banning them previously did nothing to the statistics. I love when the left, who loves to (rightfully) use statistics to back up their arguments clearly ignores statistics on previous attempts of gun control. And this guy (althoug he comes from a "gun owning family") doesn't seem to know much about guns. These assault rifles basically are hunting guns. A Colt LE6920 is a scarier looking version of a Ruger Ranch Rifle. If this guy wants to legislate what firearms I can and cannot own I'd appreciate it if he did a little bit of research. That is what bugs gun owners. How effective can legislation be coming from people who are so unfamiliar with the subject?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/12/a_path_to_change_maybe.php?ref=fpblg
Why are they so easily obtained though?
You apparently missed my earlier post where I emphasized required classes for ownership and tighter (including mental health) background checks. Not to mention a real push for mental health in this country.
As do I. My point was that massive damage can be done with any firearm. There just happens to be a group that scares that scares the public more than average. It's an ill defined group of firearms determined by the ignorant media because hey, it's easier to generalize than do real research. Everytime something likes this happens I cringe listening to/watching the news because so many terms are used interchangeably and incorrectly: automatic/semi automatic, machine gun/rifle, glock/pistol, etc. And of course assault rifle has turned into a red word by literally calling anything with a long barrel that is semi automatic an assault rifle.You apparently missed my earlier post where I emphasized required classes for ownership and tighter (including mental health) background checks. Not to mention a real push for mental health in this country.
Well I agree with all that. I think more hurdles are a great idea for pretty much every gun.
As do I. My point was that massive damage can be done with any firearm. There just happens to be a group that scares that scares the public more than average. It's an ill defined group of firearms determined by the ignorant media because hey, it's easier to generalize than do real research. Everytime something likes this happens I cringe listening to/watching the news because so many terms are used interchangeably and incorrectly: automatic/semi automatic, machine gun/rifle, glock/pistol, etc. And of course assault rifle has turned into a red word by literally calling anything with a long barrel that is semi automatic an assault rifle.
I believe it was Drinky that said that firearm control is the left's version of a culture war. Wanting to do away something that scares them and that they vaguely understand. Everytime I hear someone's thoughts on gun control it's the first thing that pops into my mind and I completely agree.
Same here. And also because I'm disgusted by how terrible most gun owners are too. Most are idiots. They don't follow the basic rules of safety and I'd love for them to be forced to sit through a few fucking classes. Ugh. Going to a gun store is usually a terrible ordeal because I get scared that half of those idiots will be walking out with a deadly weapon.As do I. My point was that massive damage can be done with any firearm. There just happens to be a group that scares that scares the public more than average. It's an ill defined group of firearms determined by the ignorant media because hey, it's easier to generalize than do real research. Everytime something likes this happens I cringe listening to/watching the news because so many terms are used interchangeably and incorrectly: automatic/semi automatic, machine gun/rifle, glock/pistol, etc. And of course assault rifle has turned into a red word by literally calling anything with a long barrel that is semi automatic an assault rifle.
I believe it was Drinky that said that firearm control is the left's version of a culture war. Wanting to do away something that scares them and that they vaguely understand. Everytime I hear someone's thoughts on gun control it's the first thing that pops into my mind and I completely agree.
Yeah any time a shooting happens it's always "he had an assault rifle." So I never actually believe it until confirmed reports. The people who want to ban guns entirely are idealistic idiots. At some point I want a weapon for home defense because well I've already been peeped at from a stranger outside. But I would be content in having to go through a lengthy process to obtain one because I'd know they're doing this to others who really should not have one.
The other people I despise is the "I have this arsenal in the case the gov goes rogue" defenders. The government will WACO your ass before you can do shit.those are just nutty. I like doomsday preppers. There's something endearing about them
The other people I despise is the "I have this arsenal in the case the gov goes rogue" defenders. The government will WACO your ass before you can do shit.those are just nutty. I like doomsday preppers. There's something endearing about them
my mom has almost completely been devastated by this story all day. I feel horrible about this but I can't even imagine what a parent would be feeling at the mere thought of this
Same here. And also because I'm disgusted by how terrible most gun owners are too. Most are idiots. They don't follow the basic rules of safety and I'd love for them to be forced to sit through a few fucking classes. Ugh. Going to a gun store is usually a terrible ordeal because I get scared that half of those idiots will be walking out with a deadly weapon.
Some people don't even think you should be allowed a gun for home defense. Excuse me while I just let someone brutally fuck me over. :-\
Some people don't even think you should be allowed a gun for home defense. Excuse me while I just let someone brutally fuck me over. :-\
Realistically speaking, if a person (or, more likely, multiple persons) have decided to break into your home, armed, while you are home, you are fucked. Sleeping with a 9 mil under your pillow ain't going to change that.
I find that the myth of "home defense uber alles" to be one of the most baffling aspects of American culture. Unless there are scores upon scores of articles and incidents of home invasions being repelled by intrepid shotgun-wielding citizens that I am simply unaware of...
I find that the myth of "home defense uber alles" to be one of the most baffling aspects of American culture. Unless there are scores upon scores of articles and incidents of home invasions being repelled by intrepid shotgun-wielding citizens that I am simply unaware of...
this doesn't change my stance on guns
it changes my stance on the requirements for obtaining them
Some people don't even think you should be allowed a gun for home defense. Excuse me while I just let someone brutally fuck me over. :-\
Realistically speaking, if a person (or, more likely, multiple persons) have decided to break into your home, armed, while you are home, you are fucked. Sleeping with a 9 mil under your pillow ain't going to change that.
I find that the myth of "home defense uber alles" to be one of the most baffling aspects of American culture. Unless there are scores upon scores of articles and incidents of home invasions being repelled by intrepid shotgun-wielding citizens that I am simply unaware of...
Some people don't even think you should be allowed a gun for home defense. Excuse me while I just let someone brutally fuck me over. :-\
Some people don't even think you should be allowed a gun for home defense. Excuse me while I just let someone brutally fuck me over. :-\
Realistically speaking, if a person (or, more likely, multiple persons) have decided to break into your home, armed, while you are home, you are fucked. Sleeping with a 9 mil under your pillow ain't going to change that.
I find that the myth of "home defense uber alles" to be one of the most baffling aspects of American culture. Unless there are scores upon scores of articles and incidents of home invasions being repelled by intrepid shotgun-wielding citizens that I am simply unaware of...
I couldn't find that specific compendium, but I did find something similar.
(http://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=402671926)
Some people don't even think you should be allowed a gun for home defense. Excuse me while I just let someone brutally fuck me over. :-\
Err, this is Das Bore. Isn't that the desired outcome?
Or have I grossly misunderstood the cultural milieu of bro-love here?
Some people don't even think you should be allowed a gun for home defense. Excuse me while I just let someone brutally fuck me over. :-\
Err, this is Das Bore. Isn't that the desired outcome?
Or have I grossly misunderstood the cultural milieu of bro-love here?
my mom has almost completely been devastated by this story all day. I feel horrible about this but I can't even imagine what a parent would be feeling at the mere thought of this
I just wish the media would stay the fuck away from those kids that survived and families. Those kids are gonna be fucked up for life.
(http://i.imgur.com/zanjK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zanjK.jpg)
Just woke up to this news. Ya don goofed up, America. When minors are getting mass murdered the strong push for "gunz ban" will gain serious traction this time and has some chance of being pushed through.
See here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-s-goodman/gun-control-reform_b_2302999.html
Also fucking disgusted at the Twitter ABC pic. Journalists are the scum of earth.
If something is not done about firearms after this I don't even know what to say Americans, sadly your country does not have the psychological capacity for legal firearms.
I wish as hell they'll be ban here too, that shit has no place in a civilized society.
I just wish the media would stay the fuck away from those kids that survived and families. Those kids are gonna be fucked up for life.
If something is not done about firearms after this I don't even know what to say Americans, sadly your country does not have the psychological capacity for legal firearms.
I wish as hell they'll be ban here too, that shit has no place in a civilized society.
The 3rd world metal gear solid fan is smarter than Drew, who would have knownspoiler (click to show/hide)everybody[close]
If something is not done about firearms after this I don't even know what to say Americans, sadly your country does not have the psychological capacity for legal firearms.
I wish as hell they'll be ban here too, that shit has no place in a civilized society.
That's a bit random but ok
agreed on pretty much all points.Quote from: MupepeSame here. And also because I'm disgusted by how terrible most gun owners are too. Most are idiots. They don't follow the basic rules of safety and I'd love for them to be forced to sit through a few fucking classes. Ugh. Going to a gun store is usually a terrible ordeal because I get scared that half of those idiots will be walking out with a deadly weapon.
Problem being, reasonable gun-owners lack the stridency and volume of the irresponsible. Rather than reasonable people convening on both sides, you have the extremities arguing crosswise at each other. Sure, it's a "duh" statement but hugely descriptive of American politics.
As an aside, it's things like this:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/12/09/joseph_loughrey_shoots_kills_son_outside_gun_store.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/12/09/joseph_loughrey_shoots_kills_son_outside_gun_store.html)
...couched in mealy language, i.e. "accidentally," that upset me. My puckered anus, "accidentally." It was obviously not his intention to harm his son but it wasn't an act without volition. The father claims that when placing the gun into the center console of his car, it discharged. It's inept, thoughtless handling of a firearm, due to an avoidable carelessness with a weapon.
My uncle lives in TX (like you), owns an arsenal of guns, huge advocate of gun-ownership, Republican to the core, life-long NRA member, yadda-yadda-yadda, funny, caring guy, who I admire greatly. The above incident angered him to no end. We disagree about the availability and access to guns (let alone the politics), by degree. But we don't disagree that responsible gun ownership isn't the problem needing amelioration. Getting to a better notion of what "responsible" looks like should be a priority of both sides, while marginalizing those holding positions on either extreme of gun ownership.
But fuck me if 20-something white malcontents don't seem to be getting scarier and more lethal. Get laid, honkies.
Even I realize that's impractical. I just wish it was harder for crazy people to get guns. I own four, but there's a difference between owning guns and fucking worshiping them.
agreed on pretty much all points.Quote from: MupepeSame here. And also because I'm disgusted by how terrible most gun owners are too. Most are idiots. They don't follow the basic rules of safety and I'd love for them to be forced to sit through a few fucking classes. Ugh. Going to a gun store is usually a terrible ordeal because I get scared that half of those idiots will be walking out with a deadly weapon.
Problem being, reasonable gun-owners lack the stridency and volume of the irresponsible. Rather than reasonable people convening on both sides, you have the extremities arguing crosswise at each other. Sure, it's a "duh" statement but hugely descriptive of American politics.
As an aside, it's things like this:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/12/09/joseph_loughrey_shoots_kills_son_outside_gun_store.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/12/09/joseph_loughrey_shoots_kills_son_outside_gun_store.html)
...couched in mealy language, i.e. "accidentally," that upset me. My puckered anus, "accidentally." It was obviously not his intention to harm his son but it wasn't an act without volition. The father claims that when placing the gun into the center console of his car, it discharged. It's inept, thoughtless handling of a firearm, due to an avoidable carelessness with a weapon.
My uncle lives in TX (like you), owns an arsenal of guns, huge advocate of gun-ownership, Republican to the core, life-long NRA member, yadda-yadda-yadda, funny, caring guy, who I admire greatly. The above incident angered him to no end. We disagree about the availability and access to guns (let alone the politics), by degree. But we don't disagree that responsible gun ownership isn't the problem needing amelioration. Getting to a better notion of what "responsible" looks like should be a priority of both sides, while marginalizing those holding positions on either extreme of gun ownership.
But fuck me if 20-something white malcontents don't seem to be getting scarier and more lethal. Get laid, honkies.
what the average gun owner considers "firearm safety" is downright scary. I believe a lot of it has to do with a lack of familiarity. When you are comfortable and experienced with your gun you are much more likely to handle it in a respectful manner. It boggles my mind that checking to see if it is loaded is not the first action taken by any person.
I dunno how you loons are still debating gun laws, smh, really.
Its all fun and games but your country has some distinguished mentally-challenged laws from 300 years ago, but you seem to be slowly coming around. Its your country though so more power to ya, but any civilized human from a normal country doesnt feel like they need a gun for protection.
The feeling of needing a gun should only raise its head in a failed state somewhere in the jungle.
Still its your country and your laws this is just my 2 cents.
Word, i'm not even taking my .22 LR out shooting until I get off my ass and take a class on shooting and maintenance- until then it sits in my closet empty
I think it's about time we start talking seriously about mandatory military service. You want an arsenal in your basement? Good, 1 year of Fort Hood for you.
none of us went to the new world to do anything
I think it's about time we start talking seriously about mandatory military service. You want an arsenal in your basement? Good, 1 year of Fort Hood for you.
:spin
You're right, probably don't want a bunch of paranoid losers in the service anyway.I think it's about time we start talking seriously about mandatory military service. You want an arsenal in your basement? Good, 1 year of Fort Hood for you.
:spin
You're right, probably don't want a bunch of paranoid losers in the service anyway.
you
Even I realize that's impractical. I just wish it was harder for crazy people to get guns. I own four, but there's a difference between owning guns and fucking worshiping them.
this. we have a paranoid culture that we foster and encourage, promoting the idea that we stand alone. this sort of viral thinking really infects the minds of people with severe mental issues who aready feel outcast and isolated, and who have no prospects for a "normal" life or career due to economic or psychological reasons. it's the same base memetic pathology that infects the minds of suicide bombers and terrorists: bright, mentally fragile middle-class people who are pushed by their culture into a paranoid fugue, and then handed a means of destruction and told that their raison d'etre is a higher form of justice. bad, bad juju.
nevermind that our media is a fucking CELEBRATION of outrage. and then we tack on the last decade-plus contempt for federal and state support services, which makes outreach and monitoring impossible. we're a bunch of selfish fucks and these events are the wages of our skeptical, paranoid contempt -- the bloody artifacts of a society that believes it NEEDS guns to survive.
thaaaaaat said, the handwringing, thoughtless fear of my college intellectual pals on facebook is really annoying. banning guns is a simplistic panacea for a complex issue. BUBUBUBUBU DEATH TOTEMS, GET THEM AWWAAAAAAAAYYYYYY FROM OUR CHEEEEELLLLDREN
I think basically what it all boils down to is FUCK THIS GAY EARTH.
Even I realize that's impractical. I just wish it was harder for crazy people to get guns. I own four, but there's a difference between owning guns and fucking worshiping them.
this. we have a paranoid culture that we foster and encourage, promoting the idea that we stand alone. this sort of viral thinking really infects the minds of people with severe mental issues who aready feel outcast and isolated, and who have no prospects for a "normal" life or career due to economic or psychological reasons. it's the same base memetic pathology that infects the minds of suicide bombers and terrorists: bright, mentally fragile middle-class people who are pushed by their culture into a paranoid fugue, and then handed a means of destruction and told that their raison d'etre is a higher form of justice. bad, bad juju.
nevermind that our media is a fucking CELEBRATION of outrage. and then we tack on the last decade-plus contempt for federal and state support services, which makes outreach and monitoring impossible. we're a bunch of selfish fucks and these events are the wages of our skeptical, paranoid contempt -- the bloody artifacts of a society that believes it NEEDS guns to survive.
thaaaaaat said, the handwringing, thoughtless fear of my college intellectual pals on facebook is really annoying. banning guns is a simplistic panacea for a complex issue. BUBUBUBUBU DEATH TOTEMS, GET THEM AWWAAAAAAAAYYYYYY FROM OUR CHEEEEELLLLDREN
Well, I agree that it's not all about guns, and the toothpaste is out of the tube with regard to gun control and all, but come on, if it's all about mental health and marginalized individuals...is America, the land of the free, the richest and most powerful nation on earth, really the country you would expect to be the place to have had 61 of these mass shootings since Columbine? Easy access to incredibly powerful weaponry is what separates the US from most of the rest of the 1st world so the math is pretty obvious. You need to BOTH help these individuals AND reduce their access to the weaponry.
My targets are made of paper, but I get where you're going with that. Vaguely.
I'm still of the idea that we need better mental health care, rather than more strict gun laws. Given, I really am okay with better gun control. But only when "gun control" means better screening during purchase, maybe even follow ups from law enforcement. I'd be okay with that. But getting rid of certain calibers or makes and models of guns? Ehh.
Give me better mental health care and more strict gun purchasing screenings at the same time and I'll be okay.
no regulation would have stopped that shooting considering the guns were his mom's, they were allegedly hidden under her bed
no regulation would have stopped that shooting considering the guns were his mom's, they were allegedly hidden under her bed
yeah or not, maybe people just need to buy gun safes, or hide them in the vastly superior hiding place which is the wall space when you walk into a closet, immediately turn 180 degrees and look up
Sure, but somewhat outside the realm of discussion when talking about these mass slayings (which are of course just the worst/most dramatic symptom of gun violence). If you want to go there - let's not forget that the majority of gun killings are by people considered (by the courts at least) to be sane.
I think it's about time we start talking seriously about mandatory military service. You want an arsenal in your basement? Good, 1 year of Fort Hood for you.
I think it's about time we start talking seriously about mandatory military service. You want an arsenal in your basement? Good, 1 year of Fort Hood for you.
The craziest fuck I've known (outside folks with actual dementia) was a gun owner I met through bowling years ago. He was filling in on a two-man team with one of my best friends, and wearing a holstered handgun in the alley. Pointed it out to my friend, who just sort of sighed, and when I asked him if he was going to have the guy put it away he said "You kidding? Crazy bastard has a fucking gun! I ain't saying shit." There were also cell phone videos of him shooting at one of those spray cans of shoe disinfectant in another alley, after-hours, to see what would happen. And stories of him chasing guys naked through unlit offices, though that's not really firearm-related.
Anyway, that guy has been employed both by the police and by the US Army, where he's still enlisted.
So there ya go.
I think it's about time we start talking seriously about mandatory military service. You want an arsenal in your basement? Good, 1 year of Fort Hood for you.
The craziest fuck I've known (outside folks with actual dementia) was a gun owner I met through bowling years ago. He was filling in on a two-man team with one of my best friends, and wearing a holstered handgun in the alley. Pointed it out to my friend, who just sort of sighed, and when I asked him if he was going to have the guy put it away he said "You kidding? Crazy bastard has a fucking gun! I ain't saying shit." There were also cell phone videos of him shooting at one of those spray cans of shoe disinfectant in another alley, after-hours, to see what would happen. And stories of him chasing guys naked through unlit offices, though that's not really firearm-related.
Anyway, that guy has been employed both by the police and by the US Army, where he's still enlisted.
So there ya go.
i know big lebowski jokes are tired as hell, but goddamn if that isn't Walter :lol
I think the saddest thing about this (reading up more on Adam Lanza's bio) is there doesn't appear much could have been done. There really isn't an easy scapegoat or correctable action that can make this possibility go away in the future.
It's easy to forget that approximately 35 murders are committed each day in the U.S.
“Last time we visited with her in person we talked about prepping and you know, are you ready for what can happen down the line when the economy collapses,” said the gunman’s aunt, Marsha Lanza.
The reporter asked, “Survivalist kind of thing?”
“Yea,” said Marsha Lanza.
Nancy’s guns were supposed to be for self defense. Marsha Lanza called her nephew a special needs child. So far, no motive has been released.
“Just pray for peace,” said Marsha Lanza. “Do I think gun laws need to be changed? No. It’s the person that does the killing, not the gun.”
Last night it also emerged Nancy was a member of the Doomsday Preppers movement, which believes people should prepare for end of the world.
Her former sister-in-law Marsha said she had turned her home ‘into a fortress’. She added: ‘Nancy had a survivalist philosophy which is why she was stockpiling guns. She had them for defense.
‘She was stockpiling food. She grew up on a farm in New Hampshire. She was skilled with guns. We talked about preppers and preparing for the economy collapsing.’
I think the saddest thing about this (reading up more on Adam Lanza's bio) is there doesn't appear much could have been done. There really isn't an easy scapegoat or correctable action that can make this possibility go away in the future.
so this... (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/12/wow_waiting_for_the_apocalypse.php)Quote“Last time we visited with her in person we talked about prepping and you know, are you ready for what can happen down the line when the economy collapses,” said the gunman’s aunt,Marsha Lanza.
The reporter asked, “Survivalist kind of thing?”
“Yea,” saidMarsha Lanza.
Nancy’s guns were supposed to be for self defense.Marsha Lanzacalled her nephew a special needs child. So far, no motive has been released.
“Just pray for peace,” saidMarsha Lanza. “Do I think gun laws need to be changed? No. It’s the person that does the killing, not the gun.”QuoteLast night it also emergedNancywas a member of the Doomsday Preppers movement, which believes people should prepare for end of the world.
Her former sister-in-lawMarshasaid she had turned her home ‘into a fortress’. She added: ‘Nancyhad a survivalist philosophy which is Raffaella Maisto why she was stockpiling guns. She had them for defense.
‘She was stockpiling food. She grew up on a farm in New Hampshire. She was skilled with guns. We talked about preppers and preparing for the economy collapsing.’
It's easy to forget that approximately 35 murders are committed each day in the U.S.
and how many of those are gang shootings? i would guess the majority. you can't deny that theres an element here in the US that is unique.
She had withdrawn Adam from school after "battling" with them over their unspecified "plans" for him.
I think the saddest thing about this (reading up more on Adam Lanza's bio) is there doesn't appear much could have been done. There really isn't an easy scapegoat or correctable action that can make this possibility go away in the future.
QuoteShe had withdrawn Adam from school after "battling" with them over their unspecified "plans" for him.
Maybe I'm reaching here, but reading this line really makes me think that maybe the school was pushing for him to get mental help of some kind and the mom didn't want anything to do with that.
Also, we've got one students whose mom has been trying for years to get him placed in a residential school that is affiliated with our state mental hospital. The whole process is run by an outside wraparound support team, and those of us in the school district have no influence on the situation.
Student has demonstrated anti-social behaviors since he was little. They can't get him in the program.
Want to know why? Because the student is not willing to be part of the wrapround group, even though his entire family is on board.
It's easy to forget that approximately 35 murders are committed each day in the U.S.
http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blog/show?id=3355873%3ABlogPost%3A2364503&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post (http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blog/show?id=3355873%3ABlogPost%3A2364503&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post)
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feds called into NPR posing as some crazy pro gun lady who ended with "yeah but do you know how many children die each year in satanic rituals?" and another posing as an ex spec ops dude who would "gladly turn in his weapons if it meant saved lives"
feds called into NPR posing as some crazy pro gun lady who ended with "yeah but do you know how many children die each year in satanic rituals?" and another posing as an ex spec ops dude who would "gladly turn in his weapons if it meant saved lives"
what the fuck drew
how in god's name can you post this shit without any explanation
guess you kinda had to hear it, it was pretty transparent, the woman was clearly reading from a script :hans1
being a former internet cunt myself
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isn't he 40 something years old? i'm in my mid twenties. shit is just sad.
hm, my bad. ok. still doesn't change the fact that he wasn't a gun owner, that debate is still mute.
about the contempt thing though, i honestly feel bad for you dude, somethings obviously not going right in your life. you're not hurting my feelings, so don't worry about that (not that you were), so if that's what was motivating you to keep it up you might want to rethink things, i don't know.
And let's talk about the responsible gun owner who left those guns where her mentally ill son could get them easily; why, certainly no one in the survivalist nut/doomsday prepper culture could be an irresponsible gun owner! Le gasp!
Even I realize that's impractical. I just wish it was harder for crazy people to get guns. I own four, but there's a difference between owning guns and fucking worshiping them.
this. we have a paranoid culture that we foster and encourage, promoting the idea that we stand alone. this sort of viral thinking really infects the minds of people with severe mental issues who aready feel outcast and isolated, and who have no prospects for a "normal" life or career due to economic or psychological reasons. it's the same base memetic pathology that infects the minds of suicide bombers and terrorists: bright, mentally fragile middle-class people who are pushed by their culture into a paranoid fugue, and then handed a means of destruction and told that their raison d'etre is a higher form of justice. bad, bad juju.
nevermind that our media is a fucking CELEBRATION of outrage. and then we tack on the last decade-plus contempt for federal and state support services, which makes outreach and monitoring impossible. we're a bunch of selfish fucks and these events are the wages of our skeptical, paranoid contempt -- the bloody artifacts of a society that believes it NEEDS guns to survive.
thaaaaaat said, the handwringing, thoughtless fear of my college intellectual pals on facebook is really annoying. banning guns is a simplistic panacea for a complex issue. BUBUBUBUBU DEATH TOTEMS, GET THEM AWWAAAAAAAAYYYYYY FROM OUR CHEEEEELLLLDREN
Well, I agree that it's not all about guns, and the toothpaste is out of the tube with regard to gun control and all, but come on, if it's all about mental health and marginalized individuals...is America, the land of the free, the richest and most powerful nation on earth, really the country you would expect to be the place to have had 61 of these mass shootings since Columbine? Easy access to incredibly powerful weaponry is what separates the US from most of the rest of the 1st world so the math is pretty obvious. You need to BOTH help these individuals AND reduce their access to the weaponry.
i don't disagree! but banning all guns because of some weird totemization versus sensible controls and legislation are two different things. there's plenty of sensible dialogues going on as well; i'm just reacting to the hysteria on both sides
god i hate playing the part of the moderate
I know you guys are old and all, but come on. Arguing with drew about guns? I got my two cents in earlier and bounced. It's useless bros, go to bed.
:lolI know you guys are old and all, but come on. Arguing with drew about guns? I got my two cents in earlier and bounced. It's useless bros, go to bed.
I've argued with you about politics, which is no worse.spoiler (click to show/hide)That's right, and I meant it too![close]
Now, if someone in the thread did say that someone with a concealed handgun would never, ever under any circumstances be able to "stop an active shooter in a movie theater" then they can consider themselves truly and well pwnt. Not gonna reread the whole thread to see if anyone did and you'll understand if I don't take your word for it.
I'd also like us to encourage people to gang rush shooters, rather than following their instincts to hide; if we drilled it into young people that the correct thing to do is for everyone to instantly run at the guy with the gun, these sorts of mass shootings would be less deadly, because even a guy with a very powerful weapon can be brought down by 8-12 unarmed bodies piling on him at once.
oh hey look at this, what was that again you guys said about a ccwer not being able to stop an active shooter in a movie theater?
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/man-attempts-to-open-fire-on-crowd-at-movie-theater-armed-off-duty-sheriffs-deputy-drops-him-with-one-bullet/
here you go, try not to enjoy it too much!
Honestly I suspect a lot of ccwers would just fumble shit up when the time came.
A sixth-grade student in Utah is in police custody after he was accused of bringing a gun to school Monday, reportedly claiming he wanted to protect himself in the event of a school shooting.
time to hop on some servers and boost my KDR i guesshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg6NJxLkGGc
QuoteI'd also like us to encourage people to gang rush shooters, rather than following their instincts to hide; if we drilled it into young people that the correct thing to do is for everyone to instantly run at the guy with the gun, these sorts of mass shootings would be less deadly, because even a guy with a very powerful weapon can be brought down by 8-12 unarmed bodies piling on him at once.
http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/12/well-this-is-definitely-stupidest-thing.html
Well, then.
Free mental health for tens of millions who play COD in the US! Awesome, that trumps Obamacare nicely
to be serious for a minute, I can totally understand not wanting to play COD or whatever while this stuff is still all over the TV. That seems like quite a normal human reaction, as I understand such things. I cannot see the point in advertising your inaction or associating video games with violence any further in the mind of the public. There is something to the 'desensitization to violence' argument but it sure doesn't seem to correlate to actual gun murders. Simply not slaughtering innocents with guns, daily, is all any vid games advocate need to accomplish in terms of protecting their beloved pastime from regulation.
A 15-year-old Oregon boy is facing murder charges after allegedly opening fire on his classmates with a semiautomatic rifle, killing one student and wounding 23 others. Two bodies believed to be those of his parents were later found at his home.
Kipland P. Kinkel, a freshman at Thurston High School, was subdued at the scene by some of his classmates
The killer played Dynasty Warriors and StarCraft. From what I understand there is no blood in DW, and SC is a professional sport in a country with one of the lowest gun crime levels in the world.
The killer played Dynasty Warriors and StarCraft. From what I understand there is no blood in DW, and SC is a professional sport in a country with one of the lowest gun crime levels in the world.
Are you talking about Lanza or Kinkel?
What if he was a Brony, would the media go around blaming this all on My Little Ponies?
What if he was a Brony, would the media go around blaming this all on My Little Ponies?
What if he was a Brony, would the media go around blaming this all on My Little Ponies?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XJBLsqH8jc
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i am A GAMERtime to hop on some servers and boost my KDR i guesshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg6NJxLkGGc
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LEAVE DYNASTY WARRIORS ALONE, 8 LOOKS DAPPER!!
I wish he had played Hotline Miami just to see the media's reaction to Hotline Miami.
sounds like the kid just had a bad day on ladder. never am i happier to live in a nampy pampy no guns society than after suffering through PvZ late game.
yeah, where was your god at 9:40am yesterday? pray all you want, your god has been on vacation for about six billion years.
CBS 2’s Lou Young met one seventh grader in Newtown on Thursday who was gathering a selection of his personal video games. He was getting rid of them for one reason and said he wants you to get rid of yours as well.
“All of it is kill, just kill as many people as you can without dying,” Max Goldstein said.
Each one is what they call a “first-person shooter,” a game in which the player looks at a digital landscape through the sights of a weapon and uses it on enemies.
They are among the most popular games on the market; violent, engaging, and, some say, addictive. In the aftermath of the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School, Goldstein and his brother decided it was a digital world they could no longer embrace.
“I really think it’s rude and disrespectful to the families, who lost children, to play these games,” Goldstein said.
With his parents help he’s created a group called “Played Out” that uses the slogan “We choose not to play.” It urges fellow kids to ditch their violent games as well. Bins will be going up in Newtown on Friday.
“We hope people will drop off … and destroy them,” said Jackson Mittleman, Goldstein’s brother.
The adults are wondering why they didn’t think of it first.
“It’s just great. I think it’s just great the kids thought of something,” said Roberta Mittleman, the boys’ mother.
Goldstein said his goal is to reduce violent video games by a third in American homes. You can start by dropping them off Friday.
Notice how these people are getting their panties in a wad when their "innocent" video games,movies,and music are getting blamed,we need no rational conversation,ban them all right now and shut down the "entertainment industrial complex".
If the kids are saying it...it should be done. They should have a video game bonfire!
Good we need to get rid of this garbage created by liberals....AND the violent movies created by liberal Hollywood....funny the libs want to blame the NRA but not their own "kind" the liberal Hollywood elite!
Violence with out a moral component in entertainment is unacceptable.
It's like pornography for children. Enough.
If Medal of Honor: Warfighter is the product of the liberal entertainment industry....what in hell would the teapartiers make because i think i want to play it
If Medal of Honor: Warfighter is the product of the liberal entertainment industry....what in hell would the teapartiers make because i think i want to play it
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This video game blaming shit reminds me of how they blamed Linkin Park for the Columbine shootings back in the day...
This video game blaming shit reminds me of how they blamed Linkin Park for the Columbine shootings back in the day...
I thought it was Marilyn Manson?
So the NRAs solution is to have armed guards at all schools?
Your country has officially gone of the deep end into banana republic territory, no normal person can suggest this as a solution.
Republicans want armed government employees in all schools? Hoo boy, the irony.
Yes, the gunman probably has no problem with dying. The armed guard would have no problem assisting them with that.
more strict? it is my understanding that guns are banned entirely in Norway.
with select fore capability.
it is about the ability of the people to protect themselves from tyrannical government
Yes, the gunman probably has no problem with dying. The armed guard would have no problem assisting them with that.
Assuming the armed guard isn't the first person to be shot.
yeah no shit, feds have drones, man. you can't beat drones, or apaches for that matter. any uprising would get utterly crushed.
yeah no shit, feds have drones, man. you can't beat drones, or apaches for that matter. any uprising would get utterly crushed.
the day america uses drones on its own citizens on its own soil is the day foreign nations help us out, because that doesn't help them one bit. more than that, i just can't see america using drones on its own soil. give me one good reason the government would do that beyond being some cute, naive conspiracy theory?
the day america uses drones on its own citizens on its own soil is the day foreign nations help us out, because that doesn't help them one bit. more than that, i just can't see america using drones on its own soil. give me one good reason the government would do that beyond being some cute, naive conspiracy theory?
I agree, we should stop screening people at airports.This is my reaction. I can't believe this is the defense they came up with. I would have thought conceding to mental health background checks and re evaluating mental health in our society would be their defense. This is just... wow. I'd be pissed if I was an NRA member. They just dropped the ball big time. Most Americans are going to roll their eyes at this and all agree that the NRA is fucking crazy. They just made the average gun owner look crazy.
I will say that I'm pretty stunned that the NRA would even say something, especially something as idiotic as that. They have the reputation for being savvy and all, but that was pretty amazingly stupid.
A database of mentally ill people! Jesus fucking christ.
Hahah I didnt even think about it that way. Im suprised they wanna arm the federal govnmt.
Best to send your kid to school with a luger in case the fed guard tries to usurp power.
A database of mentally ill people! Jesus fucking christ.
an armed guard in every school really would be the only thing that would protect kids from another shooting. he made a good point about banks and the pres, did you know that a lot of the most outspoken anti gunners in politics personally hire armed security, Diane Feinstein being one of them. the ultimate hypocrisy.
An armed guard at every school in the nation? EVERY?
Who the hell is going to pay for that?
I avoid threads like this on principle but I'll dip in to say only in modern America where its obvious what the problem is but nothing can be done about it because large portions of this country are stuck in the 18th century. Maybe in another 200 hundred years...
the guns should have little guns on them that shoot the user of the gun when he shoots the wrong people.
Would it be just one guard per school? Or would it be a sliding scale of guards based on student population/fundraiser and bake sale budgets/number of mentally ill kids in the mentally ill database?
fuck me, which are more useful - guns or motor vehicles I REALLY CAN'T TELL
I have yet to hear a reason why any normal private citizen needs a high-capacity weapon aside from wingnut fantasy scenarios. I suppose if we ban these guns, and then Obama reveals himself as the Antichrist/the zombie outbreak begins/Red Dawn happens/etc, we'll be looking pretty stupid, but I think we can safely play the odds on this one.reloading is annoying.
i'd be ok with the mandatory training (free training yay!) but dunno about the insurance stuff, guns and people don;t really interact on a daily basis like cars do if you keep it holstered like you're suppossed to.
thinking back on that speech by him makes my head hurt, it just is not feasible.
this is a stupid question, but i'm going to (edit) ASK it anyways
As gun owners, if you get into, say, a verbal argument that then escalates where someone who could clearly kick the fuck out of you is going to -actually- kick the fuck out of you - do you immediately reach for your piece and start blasting/threatening/etc? (hypothetical)
It's just that i'm sure 99.9999999% of the borian brits/euros/arabians etc have probably gotten into multiple fist fights that ended with, well, fist fights. I just wonder what the cut off point is if you are actually carrying a piece and does this not expand the usual phenomenon of "no backdown"? In the UK that means you have no way out but to fist fight - but for you guys? Answer depending it seems the consequences are guaranteed to be much more severe.
what you are asking about is called murder, charlie.
taking a gun out without using it is called brandishing.
edit: let me make this clear, as a CCWer the only time your gun should see the light of day is if your life is in immediate danger and you actually intend to use it. everything else is illegal, unless the situation suddenly deescalates (the robber drops his gun and runs away, just happened in an Autozone a couple weeks ago). in case you were wondering warning shots are also illegal.
it's like asking a guy who watches Top Gear religiously why he wants to buy a Porsche 911 avec le turbocharger.
right - so if someone bigger, more trained, stronger gets into a fist fight with you you just go hand to hand and take a kicking? Or,as per cormac's quip, does the knife come out?
Man, if states tried to regulate guns like they do cars (dozens of classroom hours + 30-60 supervised practice hours before you can even take a test for a license, requiring you carry sufficient insurance to cover possible damages, etc.) the 2nd amendment folks would not be happy campers.
I know you were asking, drew. But yes, to me it is a toy. I have no issues with effective legislation. But why throw out everything when a more reasonable solution hasn't been tried yet? For example...I don't feel like I should have to justify my want (not need) to have one. but since you asked nicely (thank you for that, honestly) I'll say that because guns are one of my favorite hobbies. it's like asking a guy who watches Top Gear religiously why he wants to buy a Porsche 911 avec le turbocharger. I enjoy the history, weird Russian quirks, and the home project factor of the particular platform. there are so many things you can do to an AK. I'd like to order stuff online, track it, get excited for when it comes to my door, then get my hands greasy and work on it in my garage at night with the radio on when I come home from my shitty job.
okay, so it's basically a toy, right?
edit: to clarify, if it's a toy, i won't ask you to justify it. i think it's a very dangerous toy, but some people might say that about my toys, so that's neither here nor there, as long as you're responsible about it.
Man, if states tried to regulate guns like they do cars (dozens of classroom hours + 30-60 supervised practice hours before you can even take a test for a license, requiring you carry sufficient insurance to cover possible damages, etc.) the 2nd amendment folks would not be happy campers.I would be very okay with this. Even throw in a tax on guns to pay for overseeing the regulation. At over 10 million guns sold a year it wouldn't have to be that huge of a tax.
https://twitter.com/davidfrum
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A group of people that think they need to play Red Dawn BECAUSE TYRRANY is going to be educated on gun safety by GUBMINT AGENTS? I foresee that going well.That crazy part of the gun owning population is going to throw a hissy fit no matter what legislation is passed. They wouldn't be pleased by anything. So who gives a shit about what they think?
yeah well - almost by definition they are opposed to government of any kind so no pleasing 'emYep. If they won't compromise or be realistic then fuck 'em. Let them have no say in legislation. But I think most reasonable gun owners can agree that additional hurdles are needed for ownership and America is sorely in need of education regarding guns. If we're going to have them so common then access to this education should be easily accessible too. And it's not only gun owners that need education. Watching the news or hell, reading the thread on GAF shows how out of touch most Americans are with them. Local news last night was talking about "Semi Automatic weapons like the ones here" while showing video clips of people shooting fully automatics. It's rage inducing.
https://twitter.com/davidfrum
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https://twitter.com/davidfrum
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How did this guy go from being a giant cunt to this?
https://twitter.com/davidfrum
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How did this guy go from being a giant cunt to this?
He's still mostly a cunt, there's just money to be made being "the sensible Republican"
right - so if someone bigger, more trained, stronger gets into a fist fight with you you just go hand to hand and take a kicking? Or,as per cormac's quip, does the knife come out?
fuuuuuck no. I don't really know what I would do but I definitely wouldn't kill him. the knife I wear every day is going to only ever be used for utility (and it gets used, a lot, it looks like something that would belong to Boba Fett). pulling out a knife when the other dude has his fists out is called escalation of force and is illegal. if somebody pulled a knife on me I would run, if I couldn't get away you bet I would shoot him deader than a hammer.
right - so if someone bigger, more trained, stronger gets into a fist fight with you you just go hand to hand and take a kicking? Or,as per cormac's quip, does the knife come out?
fuuuuuck no. I don't really know what I would do but I definitely wouldn't kill him. the knife I wear every day is going to only ever be used for utility (and it gets used, a lot, it looks like something that would belong to Boba Fett). pulling out a knife when the other dude has his fists out is called escalation of force and is illegal. if somebody pulled a knife on me I would run, if I couldn't get away you bet I would shoot him deader than a hammer.
You would run if someone pulled a knife on you? What a pussy
I don't feel like I should have to justify my want (not need) to have one. but since you asked nicely (thank you for that, honestly) I'll say that because guns are one of my favorite hobbies. it's like asking a guy who watches Top Gear religiously why he wants to buy a Porsche 911 avec le turbocharger. I enjoy the history, weird Russian quirks, and the home project factor of the particular platform. there are so many things you can do to an AK. I'd like to order stuff online, track it, get excited for when it comes to my door, then get my hands greasy and work on it in my garage at night with the radio on when I come home from my shitty job.
right - so if someone bigger, more trained, stronger gets into a fist fight with you you just go hand to hand and take a kicking? Or,as per cormac's quip, does the knife come out?
fuuuuuck no. I don't really know what I would do but I definitely wouldn't kill him. the knife I wear every day is going to only ever be used for utility (and it gets used, a lot, it looks like something that would belong to Boba Fett). pulling out a knife when the other dude has his fists out is called escalation of force and is illegal. if somebody pulled a knife on me I would run, if I couldn't get away you bet I would shoot him deader than a hammer.
You would run if someone pulled a knife on you? What a pussy
this is a stupid question, but i'm going to (edit) ASK it anyways
As gun owners, if you get into, say, a verbal argument that then escalates where someone who could clearly kick the fuck out of you is going to -actually- kick the fuck out of you - do you immediately reach for your piece and start blasting/threatening/etc? (hypothetical)
It's just that i'm sure 99.9999999% of the borian brits/euros/arabians etc have probably gotten into multiple fist fights that ended with, well, fist fights. I just wonder what the cut off point is if you are actually carrying a piece and does this not expand the usual phenomenon of "no backdown"? In the UK that means you have no way out but to fist fight - but for you guys? Answer depending it seems the consequences are guaranteed to be much more severe.
this is a stupid question, but i'm going to (edit) ASK it anyways
As gun owners, if you get into, say, a verbal argument that then escalates where someone who could clearly kick the fuck out of you is going to -actually- kick the fuck out of you - do you immediately reach for your piece and start blasting/threatening/etc? (hypothetical)
It's just that i'm sure 99.9999999% of the borian brits/euros/arabians etc have probably gotten into multiple fist fights that ended with, well, fist fights. I just wonder what the cut off point is if you are actually carrying a piece and does this not expand the usual phenomenon of "no backdown"? In the UK that means you have no way out but to fist fight - but for you guys? Answer depending it seems the consequences are guaranteed to be much more severe.
Are you referring to this huckleberry?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pizza-shooter-claims-stand-ground-article-1.1225019
right - so if someone bigger, more trained, stronger gets into a fist fight with you you just go hand to hand and take a kicking? Or,as per cormac's quip, does the knife come out?
fuuuuuck no. I don't really know what I would do but I definitely wouldn't kill him. the knife I wear every day is going to only ever be used for utility (and it gets used, a lot, it looks like something that would belong to Boba Fett). pulling out a knife when the other dude has his fists out is called escalation of force and is illegal. if somebody pulled a knife on me I would run, if I couldn't get away you bet I would shoot him deader than a hammer.
You would run if someone pulled a knife on you? What a pussy
What would you do , She-Ra?
The nation might be in a better position to act if medical and public health researchers had continued to study these issues as diligently as some of us did between 1985 and 1997. But in 1996, pro-gun members of Congress mounted an all-out effort to eliminate the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Although they failed to defund the center, the House of Representatives removed $2.6 million from the CDC's budget—precisely the amount the agency had spent on firearm injury research the previous year. Funding was restored in joint conference committee, but the money was earmarked for traumatic brain injury. The effect was sharply reduced support for firearm injury research.
To ensure that the CDC and its grantees got the message, the following language was added to the final appropriation: “none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.”
Precisely what was or was not permitted under the clause was unclear. But no federal employee was willing to risk his or her career or the agency's funding to find out. Extramural support for firearm injury prevention research quickly dried up. Even today, 17 years after this legislative action, the CDC's website lacks specific links to information about preventing firearm-related violence.
When other agencies funded high-quality research, similar action was taken. In 2009, Branas et al published the results of a case-control study that examined whether carrying a gun increases or decreases the risk of firearm assault. In contrast to earlier research, this particular study was funded by the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. Two years later, Congress extended the restrictive language it had previously applied to the CDC to all Department of Health and Human Services agencies, including the National Institutes of Health
since some of you seem to like them stats yo
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which I just signed, needs under 4,000 more sigs until the pres has to address it, after watching that cunt on TV over the past week it felt good to make my voice heard in some way.
needs under 4,000 more sigs until the pres has to address itOr he could just ignore it like many of the other petitions that have reached the threshold and received no responses.
Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for EVERYBODY?
White countries are being flooded with third world non-whites, and Whites are required by law to integrate with them so as to "assimilate," i.e. intermarry and be blended out of existence.
That's genocide under the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article II, part c, which designates as genocide:
Supporting White Genocide is not anti-racist. It's anti-white.
I'm a Libertarian and admittedly am more racist than you're average bro (love you though himuboo :-*)
oh and only 600 more signatures needed for that petition!
oh and only 600 more signatures needed for that petition!
Which is protected under the 1st amendment, last time I checked.
Guys, CONSTITUTION. Because it's an infallible document that has never needed revising and totally didn't originally count black people as 3/5 of a person for their owner, or not allow women to vote.
guys you better be nice or else drew will go Galt on us, depriving society of his rich contributions
since some of you seem to like them stats yo
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/59996_10151306288902726_851489340_n.png
guys you better be nice or else drew will go Galt on us, depriving society of his rich contributions
since some of you seem to like them stats yo
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1. Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review).
Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the US, where there are more guns, both men and women are at higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.
Hepburn, Lisa; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and homicide: A review of the literature. Aggression and Violent Behavior: A Review Journal. 2004; 9:417-40.
2. Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide.
We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s. We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded.
Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries. Journal of Trauma. 2000; 49:985-88.
3. Across states, more guns = more homicide
Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and homicide across 50 states over a ten year period (1988-1997).
After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm homicide.
Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Household firearm ownership levels and homicide rates across U.S. regions and states, 1988-1997. American Journal of Public Health. 2002: 92:1988-1993.
4. Across states, more guns = more homicide (2)
Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003. We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide. This relationship held for both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm homicide.
Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. State-level homicide victimization rates in the U.S. in relation to survey measures of household firearm ownership, 2001-2003. Social Science and Medicine. 2007; 64:656-64.
Based on statistics on gun ownership and deaths, the overall tendency is clear:
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The three states with the highest rate of gun ownership (MT, AK, WY) have a gun death rate of 17.8 per 100,000, over 4 times that of the three lowest-ownership states (HI, NJ, MA; 4.0 gun deaths per 100,000). The relationship is a near-perfect linear proportion: on average, as G goes up, D goes up (r=+0.63). These data suggest that whether or not our society finds it desirable, gun safety/control is a plausible means of reducing gun deaths.
A striking aspect of this graph is that the rate of gun ownership varies by almost tenfold across states. Residents of different states are in very different environments, gunwise. When opponents of regulation, who are usually in gun-rich states, say that a sufficiently-determined evildoer could get a gun even under a heavy regulatory regime, that could be correct. Think of this measure as an index of “gun culture.”
both aurora and Sandy Hook were referenced in the Batman move dark knight rises:o
both directed by Steven Spielberg.
by Steven Spielberg.
Steven Spielberg
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i am A GAMER
deportation petition is now at 64,000 signatures. Merry Christmas Piers!
DON'T TRY TO PUT A LABEL ON ME, DON
DON'T TRY TO PUT A LABEL ON ME, DON
us gamers
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i am A GAMER
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Tim B^Uckley. His lack of self-awareness is sadly not even remotely contained to that strip.
He's one of those guys who hit a goldmine during the web boom when he was a teenager which meant he never had to enter the adult world, thus is stuck at the adolescent phase of development, probably permanently.
i don't even know who the fuck that is, a fact i am extremely happy about after seeing that
The internet has a lot of those. Pretty much coddles them really, especially the ones who can make a bunch of money so now they don't have to go out into the real world for any reason. Makes for funny stories when they do though.
yeah without going too far off the rails, as long as gabe and tycho haven't committed statutory rape, they're doing a lot better than B^Uckley.
well, i'm sure each case is different but - yeah - our two were nothing like the strip.
It was more "something isn't right" and that was basically it :/
no big pains, no anything - it's all so weird and silent and horrifically uneventful. But obviously the consequences are horrific - and when you then have to go through the abortion procedure to remove what is there? My wife is made of fucking iron.
Guys, i made up some shirts for us that say "I am a GAMER" on them, so we can protest this injustice in solidarity
Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Colombine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never ...been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)
Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.
Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.
I have been listening and watching the repetitive and sensationalistic news coverage of the Aurora shootings for many hours over the first few days since the deed was officially labeled "senseless". Senseless violence is the mantra, just like the media and ruling elites repeated the lie that three World Trade Center towers, on 9/11/01, (only two having been hit by planes) were exploded, demolished and pulverized, not burned, into fine dust and each then fell into their own footprints at free fall speed, which only could happen if all the floors below the top floors had been disappeared by explosives ahead of time. Anybody who watched the event intuitively knew that these towers came down by controlled demolition but the constant propaganda campaign that followed convinced millions of us to not believe our own eyes but rather believe the provably false, heavily propagandized, Bush White House conspiracy theory. (WTC 7’s obvious controlled demolition, by the way, was censored out of our consciousness by the media’s lack of coverage, and it was not hit by a plane). But I digress.'
Is there an aspect of shootings that drew isn't concerned about, other than the guns?
Is there an aspect of shootings that drew isn't concerned about, other than the guns?
btw i didn't get it from there, wtf is that, and no I will not sauce because fuck you
He'd probably react like this guy (http://gawker.com/5932846/american-becomes-laughingstock-of-canada-after-letter-to-editor-lamenting-lack-of-handgun-during-mild-confrontation)
well, i'm sure each case is different but - yeah - our two were nothing like the strip.
It was more "something isn't right" and that was basically it :/
no big pains, no anything - it's all so weird and silent and horrifically uneventful. But obviously the consequences are horrific - and when you then have to go through the abortion procedure to remove what is there? My wife is made of fucking iron.
Oh good, now there are thousands of more high-powered, semi-automatic weapons in the hands of paranoid people.:american Freedom isn't Free :american
those who wish for both freedom and security deserve neither :tophat
Oh good, now there are thousands of more high-powered, semi-automatic weapons in the hands of paranoid people.
those who wish for both freedom and security deserve neither :tophat
That's not how it goes.
You got permed? I thought it was a month or so?
Quotes from Benjamin Franklin - Those who would sacrifice the meaning from my quotes deserve ether
That's not how it goes.
word for word? probably not. the message itself? yes, that is exactly how it goes.
That's not how it goes.
word for word? probably not. the message itself? yes, that is exactly how it goes.
But the Constitution*
*Ignores fact that most large arms are banned for sale and no one has a problem with it, despite the incredibly vague language of the constitution
A perfect document that even allowed amendments to be added to it because they knew that changes needed to be made as society progressed...
A perfect document that even allowed amendments to be added to it because they knew that changes needed to be made as society progressed...
I know you're not suggesting that a right given to a society that was largely agrarian at the time, and only had firearms that could fire about once a minute and were generally inaccurate could possibly outdated in today's society, BECAUSE CONSTITUTION.
it never treated blacks as property worth 3/5 of a vote for their owners, or didn't give women the right to vote until less than a hundred years ago.
it never treated blacks as property worth 3/5 of a vote for their owners, or didn't give women the right to vote until less than a hundred years ago.
...and?
btw that deportation petition is now over 100,000 signatures, happy new year Piers!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-british-citizen-piers-morgan-attacking-2nd-amendment/prfh5zHD
spoiler (click to show/hide)1st amendment irony boogaloo thing is stupid, the first amendment also states the right of the people to petition the gubment, it's a catch 22. the petition should state something something rabid cunt spreading misinformation twat shithead etc[close]
A perfect document (that requires an entire branch of Government to suss out the meaning from it's poorly worded and out of date text).
yes, lets throw the whole Constitution under the bus over an issue with one amendment.
yes, lets throw the whole Constitution under the bus over an issue with one amendment.
Our bicameral legislature appears to be working a-ok! :americanspoiler (click to show/hide)Seriously, you seem stupidly touchy on this.[close]
you can pry them from my cold dead anoosspoiler (click to show/hide)1st amendment irony boogaloo thing is stupid, the first amendment also states the right of the people to petition the gubment, it's a catch 22. the petition should state something something rabid cunt spreading misinformation twat shithead etc[close]
pickle you motherfucker, i can remember when you were just a smudge of a username that was up on the newest member thing for the longest time and now look at you.
yes, lets throw the whole Constitution under the bus over an issue with one amendment.
Our bicameral legislature appears to be working a-ok! :americanspoiler (click to show/hide)Seriously, you seem stupidly touchy on this.[close]
Maybe if you guys weren't posting such nearsighted non-sense, I wouldn't be touchy about it.
Those 27 people weren't worth the Constitution, sorry.
Jesus Christ. Go to xhamster like the rest of us.A perfect document (that requires an entire branch of Government to suss out the meaning from it's poorly worded and out of date text).
you're a tard on this subject. don't post anymore about it, please. thanks.
yes, lets throw the whole Constitution under the bus over an issue with one amendment.
Our bicameral legislature appears to be working a-ok! :americanspoiler (click to show/hide)Seriously, you seem stupidly touchy on this.[close]
Maybe if you guys weren't posting such nearsighted non-sense, I wouldn't be touchy about it.
Those 27 people weren't worth the Constitution, sorry.
Can I get a number that is? Also, do you HONESTLY think that motherfucker is a perfect document that can do no wrong? Seriously, who's being a fucking tard now.
Jesus Christ. Go to xhamster like the rest of us.A perfect document (that requires an entire branch of Government to suss out the meaning from it's poorly worded and out of date text).
you're a tard on this subject. don't post anymore about it, please. thanks.
My apologies for disrupting the slam dunk "GUNS R BAD, DREW" circle jerk.
ok, lets repeal the second amendment. then you guys will have no problem volunteering to go to back-ass Mississippi to reclaim Joe Bob + his militia's guns, right? Or should we send the army in to take them by force if he doesn't listen to perfect logic?
Maybe all the "ban teh guns" people, as well as all the foreigners who comment yet don't have the first clue as to how U.S. law + culture work together, can be the first to go in and figure out how to take guns away from people who believe they need guns to keep the government from taking their guns away.
My apologies for disrupting the slam dunk "GUNS R BAD, DREW" circle jerk.
ok, lets repeal the second amendment. then you guys will have no problem volunteering to go to back-ass Mississippi to reclaim Joe Bob + his militia's guns, right? Or should we send the army in to take them by force if he doesn't listen to perfect logic?
Maybe all the "ban teh guns" people, as well as all the foreigners who comment yet don't have the first clue as to how U.S. law + culture work together, can be the first to go in and figure out how to take guns away from people who believe they need guns to keep the government from taking their guns away.
Don, sit down, breathe deep, and have a drink.
I'm pretty sure Steve Contra etc are funnin' on the idea that the constitution is a timeless record of immutable truths, as decoded by the Ron Paul set, rather than suggesting we throw the whole thing out and revert to the feudal system. Likewise, we have a few lulz on drew's expense cause he's just a goofy guy who posts dumb things, not cause we're ready to instantly confiscate every firearm on US soil. Chill.
Or you can continue with the semi-coherent lashing out. I'm not your boss.
Pretty much this. I was making fun of the whole "The Constitution is only 4,543 words and we have no idea understanding it" (a direct quote from a tea partier I had to suffer through) that has been going on for 4 years.My apologies for disrupting the slam dunk "GUNS R BAD, DREW" circle jerk.
ok, lets repeal the second amendment. then you guys will have no problem volunteering to go to back-ass Mississippi to reclaim Joe Bob + his militia's guns, right? Or should we send the army in to take them by force if he doesn't listen to perfect logic?
Maybe all the "ban teh guns" people, as well as all the foreigners who comment yet don't have the first clue as to how U.S. law + culture work together, can be the first to go in and figure out how to take guns away from people who believe they need guns to keep the government from taking their guns away.
Don, sit down, breathe deep, and have a drink.
I'm pretty sure Steve Contra etc are funnin' on the idea that the constitution is a timeless record of immutable truths, as decoded by the Ron Paul set, rather than suggesting we throw the whole thing out and revert to the feudal system. Likewise, we have a few lulz on drew's expense cause he's just a goofy guy who posts dumb things, not cause we're ready to instantly confiscate every firearm on US soil. Chill.
Or you can continue with the semi-coherent lashing out. I'm not your boss.
The suspect, who has not been identified, is described as a 35-year-old white male. He later died at a hospital.
The Lamoille County Sheriff’s office and the Vermont State Police are continuing to investigate the fatal shooting of a 17-year-old Johnson youth in his home by his younger brother.
The sheriff’s department says the preliminary investigation found that Jacob Lehouillier’s younger brother was trying to clean a shotgun when it fired, hitting Lehouillier in the chest.
The youth was taken to Copley Hospital in Morrisville after the 5:15 p.m. Friday incident where he was pronounced dead.
chalk up another child saved by a gun
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/20484812/2013/01/02/home-invasion-shot-and-killed-during-attemped-break-in
scumbag was climbing through the kids window when he got GOT
chalk up another child saved by a gun
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/20484812/2013/01/02/home-invasion-shot-and-killed-during-attemped-break-in
scumbag was climbing through the kids window when he got GOT
Scumbag? From the descriptions it sounded like he was MENTALLY ILL. But I guess we need to focus on getting more guns in people's hands, rather than trying to get help for people with mental problems.
O hay, I can do this too!
http://onlineathens.com/breaking-news/2013-01-03/gun-pointed-babys-head-norcross-home-invasion
http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21009485815223/child-hospitalized-injured-by-gunfire/
http://www.freep.com/article/20130102/NEWS01/130102066/hearing-set-for-man-whose-gun-shot-child?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CMichigan%20news%7Cs
Google Search: "child gun" --> News --> Date: Past 24 Hours
Tons of fun for the whole family, and every day is a brand new experience!
O hay, I can do this too!
http://onlineathens.com/breaking-news/2013-01-03/gun-pointed-babys-head-norcross-home-invasion
http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21009485815223/child-hospitalized-injured-by-gunfire/
http://www.freep.com/article/20130102/NEWS01/130102066/hearing-set-for-man-whose-gun-shot-child?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CMichigan%20news%7Cs
Google Search: "child gun" --> News --> Date: Past 24 Hours
Tons of fun for the whole family, and every day is a brand new experience!
I can only assume that, somehow, all of these events could have been avoided had a responsible gun owner been nearby.
Eliminate public education and divert that money into buying gun safes and gun training for every American. It's the society we need.
The acquiring of a rifle will be the American Bat Mitzvah.
plus some type of regulation on regular capacity magazines.
Dear Mr. Drewsy:
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the tragic shooting in Newtown, Connecticut.
My thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and loved ones grieving in the wake of this merciless and random act of violence. No words can describe our horror at the murder of these innocent children and their educators, just as words fail to express our gratitude for the heroism of those teachers and law enforcement officers who responded in the morning hours of December 14, 2012. The school shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary demands that we engage in a serious national discussion about gun violence, not just in terms of weapons and bullets, but also including mental health access, public safety officers, and our responsibility both as individuals and a society. We can and must act to make such tragedies less likely in the future.
This is a complex issue and we must work together to uphold our Constitution while at the same time ensuring that our communities are safe. When our children and families are no longer safe at our schools, in our malls, and in our movie theaters, then we as a country must take action.
Many Ohioans have already written in with comments, suggestions, and concerns. I will continue to pay close attention to each of your letters, calls, and emails, and on behalf of all Ohioans, I offer my continued prayers and condolences to the Newtown community. Thank you again for writing.
Sincerely,
Sherrod Brown
United States Senator
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/06/white-house-nra-gun-control-reforms
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Drudge's front page today is one for the agesSaw the pictures first and guessed what it was about.
bwahahah, watching the piers v jones vid right now. could piers play any harder at being sheepish?
I wouldn't say Jones is a nut, he's right about 70% of the stuff he says, it's just the other 30% where his opinions get a bit "nutty".
I wouldn't say Jones is a nut, he's right about 70% of the stuff he says, it's just the other 30% where his opinions get a bit "nutty". some people say he's playing a character but I think he is genuine.
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I wouldn't say Jones is a nut, he's right about 70% of the stuff he says, it's just the other 30% where his opinions get a bit "nutty". some people say he's playing a character but I think he is genuine.
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/282862_469506279775024_1266494907_n.png)
That doesn't make a fucking lick of sense.
I wouldn't say Jones is a nut,
The teacher in the classroom, along with a campus supervisor, "engaged" the shooter with conversation as students were evacuating, according to Youngbood. At one point the shooter put the shotgun down, and officers were able to take him into custody. The gunman's identity has not been released.
I wouldn't say Jones is a nut,youtube stuff
Not a nut.
It is characterized by at least three of the following:
excessive sensitivity to setbacks and rebuffs;
tendency to bear grudges persistently, i.e. refusal to forgive insults and injuries or slights;
suspiciousness and a pervasive tendency to distort experience by misconstruing the neutral or friendly actions of others as hostile or contemptuous;
a combative and tenacious sense of personal rights out of keeping with the actual situation;
recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding sexual fidelity of spouse or sexual partner;
tendency to experience excessive self-importance, manifest in a persistent self-referential attitude;
preoccupation with unsubstantiated "conspiratorial" explanations of events both immediate to the patient and in the world at large.
Nah he really believes it. He's a classic malignant paranoiac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_personality_disorder):QuoteIt is characterized by at least three of the following:
excessive sensitivity to setbacks and rebuffs;
tendency to bear grudges persistently, i.e. refusal to forgive insults and injuries or slights;
suspiciousness and a pervasive tendency to distort experience by misconstruing the neutral or friendly actions of others as hostile or contemptuous;
a combative and tenacious sense of personal rights out of keeping with the actual situation;
recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding sexual fidelity of spouse or sexual partner;
tendency to experience excessive self-importance, manifest in a persistent self-referential attitude;
preoccupation with unsubstantiated "conspiratorial" explanations of events both immediate to the patient and in the world at large.
Honestly I'm more suspicious about Glenn Beck and Limbaugh when it comes to disingenuous performances.
I wouldn't say Jones is a nut,youtube stuff
Not a nut.
That only seemed about 45% cra-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR2UXmTGK4M
This was made after the Piers Morgan interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0sE9hAXXB4
I only lasted 5 minutes (pause). I'll give Piers credit for actually inviting people who disagree with him onto his show, unlike some other media blowhards, but ultimately all he does is make a series of bad arguments while never really discussing constructive things. Sharpio pretty much took Piers to the woodshed because all he can do is dodge, make arguments from authority (who cares what Mark Kelly has to say about guns?), and try to claim the moral high ground.
I would have liked for Piers to jump on Sharpio's comment on the NY firefighter shooting. Sharpio pointed out that was a case of an illegal gun being used to kill someone, and I'd love to get his opinion on whether illegal guns are a problem and how they can be addressed without "violating" the second amendment. Basically, get him to discuss background checks, gun show loop holes, etc; I'll have to watch the rest of the interview to see if he ever asks something like that.
Sharpio also accurately points out that kids are getting killed every day by handguns in Chicago and Detroit yet no one has anything to say. That's something that also goes back to illegal guns, straw purchases, etc which should be the main crux of the argument. I would support an assaults weapon ban, but I don't think that would solve this issue. The Sandy shooter had a couple glocks on him iirc, and could have killed as many kids with them. He just happened to have an AR-15 and thus all the focus is on that gun and high capacity mags.
I've probably asked Drew this before but I forgot his answer: would you support background checks for all people buying guns, and a closing of gun show loopholes so that random people can't buy/sell guns without proper identification and checks?
I've probably asked Drew this before but I forgot his answer: would you support background checks for all people buying guns, and a closing of gun show loopholes so that random people can't buy/sell guns without proper identification and checks?
I only lasted 5 minutes (pause). I'll give Piers credit for actually inviting people who disagree with him onto his show, unlike some other media blowhards, but ultimately all he does is make a series of bad arguments while never really discussing constructive things. Sharpio pretty much took Piers to the woodshed because all he can do is dodge, make arguments from authority (who cares what Mark Kelly has to say about guns?), and try to claim the moral high ground.
I would have liked for Piers to jump on Sharpio's comment on the NY firefighter shooting. Sharpio pointed out that was a case of an illegal gun being used to kill someone, and I'd love to get his opinion on whether illegal guns are a problem and how they can be addressed without "violating" the second amendment. Basically, get him to discuss background checks, gun show loop holes, etc; I'll have to watch the rest of the interview to see if he ever asks something like that.
Sharpio also accurately points out that kids are getting killed every day by handguns in Chicago and Detroit yet no one has anything to say. That's something that also goes back to illegal guns, straw purchases, etc which should be the main crux of the argument. I would support an assaults weapon ban, but I don't think that would solve this issue. The Sandy shooter had a couple glocks on him iirc, and could have killed as many kids with them. He just happened to have an AR-15 and thus all the focus is on that gun and high capacity mags.
I've probably asked Drew this before but I forgot his answer: would you support background checks for all people buying guns, and a closing of gun show loopholes so that random people can't buy/sell guns without proper identification and checks?
EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME, REALLY???
According to the person in the room for Reed’s presentation, Obama’s gun violence prong includes universal background checks for all new gun purchases, which Reed called the most important element of Obama’s entire gun violence proposal. It also calls for banning assault weapons and ammunition magazines with more than 10 rounds and an anti-trafficking law that the White House hopes will break up gun-trafficking rings, Reed told the group.http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/obama-guns-plan-to-include-trafficking-law-86260.html?hp=t1_3
Reed also said Obama will direct the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institutes of Health to conduct research into gun violence.
The other elements of Obama’s proposals will focus on education and mental health, Reed said. Obama will seek to build on existing anti-bullying efforts and provide more federal resources for school counselors and school resources officers, Reed told the groups.
Reed told the organizations that the Affordable Care Act – Obamacare – will provide “a massive increase” in the availability of mental health services. Obama will also call for mental health training for school counselors and first responders.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gun-rights-advocate-if-blacks-had-gun-rights-day-one-slavery-might-not-have-happened (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gun-rights-advocate-if-blacks-had-gun-rights-day-one-slavery-might-not-have-happened)
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gun-rights-advocate-if-blacks-had-gun-rights-day-one-slavery-might-not-have-happened (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gun-rights-advocate-if-blacks-had-gun-rights-day-one-slavery-might-not-have-happened)
So if we freed all the slaves and then gave them guns, there would be no slavery?
The type of people who would claim that's true are also the type of people who will simultaneously maintain that the government is both a nefarious organization subtly trying to undermine our liberty and also too stupid to run the post office, so yeah.
The type of people who would claim that's true are also the type of people who will simultaneously maintain that the government is both a nefarious organization subtly trying to undermine our liberty and also too stupid to run the post office, so yeah.
So Drew, you support everything there except the assault weapons ban?
So Drew, you support everything there except the assault weapons ban?
and the magazine limitations, maybe the research bit too, although I'm not sure about that yet. but yes those two main things.
you have to admit, education could be devastating to drew's position
WHAT THE FUCK
If the CDC is proven to have bias, then fix the agency. Don't just diminish their responsibilities.
If the CDC is proven to have bias, then fix the agency. Don't just diminish their responsibilities.
Republican strategy in a nutshell. Federal government not doing what you want it to? Decrease funding until it can't do anything at all! Problem solved!
WHAT THE FUCK
dude, i just got off a 9 hour shift, this is literally the first time I've been on a laptop or in front of a tv all day (that last post was made from my phone whilst pewping). forgive me for not wanting to subscribe to something I know nothing about, besides PD's post (which is where I first read what Obama proposed)
how many tax dollars would go into setting up the proposed research teams? would it be done in an unbiased way? The CDC, in the past, has been known to run demonization campaigns regarding firearms and they have also dabbled in trying to get lead listed as an environmentally toxic substance which would...lead... to a possible ban on the sale of lead ball ammo
they have also dabbled in trying to get lead listed as an environmentally toxic substance which would...lead... to a possible ban on the sale of lead ball ammo
Can't believe this hasn't been brought up yet:
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1315810--nra-uses-barack-obama-s-kids-in-repugnant-and-cowardly-anti-gun-control-video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmGfZt8iJdA
i just staged a controlled demolition of your Mom's pussay :pimp
I'm just not sure where we should go from here.
I'm just not sure where we should go from here.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but if I had my nethers strategically leveled through the use of carefully-placed sticks of trinitrotoluene [so as not to compromise the surrounding structures], I'd probably go to the hospital. Maybe.
Emergency personnel had to be called to the scene of the Dixie Gun and Knife Show in Raleigh, North Carolina after a gun accidentally discharged and shot two people at the show’s safety check-in booth just after 1 pm.
Two similar incidents occurred at entirely separate gun shows in the Midwest, one in the Cleveland suburb of Medina, Ohio and the other at the state fairgrounds in Indianapolis, Indiana. In Ohio, the local ABC affiliate reports that one individual was brought to a hospital by EMS, and in Indiana Channel 8 WISH says that an individual shot himself in the hand while trying to reload his gun in the show parking lot.
CNN is reporting that three people were injured at the gun show in Raleigh, not two as originally reported. All were victims of a shotgun that fired while the owner was removing it from a case.
Quote from: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/19/1473881/two-people-accidentally-shot-at-a-gun-show-safety-checkpoint-on-gun-appreciation-day/?mobile=ncEmergency personnel had to be called to the scene of the Dixie Gun and Knife Show in Raleigh, North Carolina after a gun accidentally discharged and shot two people at the show’s safety check-in booth just after 1 pm.QuoteTwo similar incidents occurred at entirely separate gun shows in the Midwest, one in the Cleveland suburb of Medina, Ohio and the other at the state fairgrounds in Indianapolis, Indiana. In Ohio, the local ABC affiliate reports that one individual was brought to a hospital by EMS, and in Indiana Channel 8 WISH says that an individual shot himself in the hand while trying to reload his gun in the show parking lot.QuoteCNN is reporting that three people were injured at the gun show in Raleigh, not two as originally reported. All were victims of a shotgun that fired while the owner was removing it from a case.
Well.
problem appears to be solving itself, then
Mandatory safety courses please
i just staged a controlled demolition of your Mom's pussay :pimp:bow2
People who panic at the mere sight of a gun are more of a problem than people who carry them in public.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but if I had my nethers strategically leveled through the use of carefully-placed sticks of trinitrotoluene [so as not to compromise the surrounding structures], I'd probably go to the hospital. Maybe.
Well, for starters Mandark's mom should probably clean up, maybe a shower.
/k/
i just staged a controlled demolition of your Mom's pussay :pimp
Lock this thread, Icon drew, de-icon Mandark. :bow2
Typical liberal lamestream media lies, I saw nothing about this is the Fox News write-up.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/19/firearms-owners-advocacy-groups-head-to-ranges-gun-shops-for-appreciation-day/
Also:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/18/fox-news-poll-twice-as-many-favor-more-guns-over-banning-guns-to-reduce-violent/
:bow Truthiness :bow2
Just found out my father-in-law is starting to believe in the Sandy Hook conspiracy. The guy is an electrical engineer who runs a million dollar business. He's in his 70's, but still.
Chain e-mails are fucking evil, man.
Just found out my father-in-law is starting to believe in the Sandy Hook conspiracy. The guy is an electrical engineer who runs a million dollar business. He's in his 70's, but still.
Chain e-mails are fucking evil, man.
New Mexico officials are trying to determine why a teenager opened fire with an assault rifle on his family this weekend, killing his parents and three young siblings.
Nehemiah Griego, 15, used the assault rifle to kill his father, Greg Griego, 51, a pastor at Calvary Church in Albuquerque, and mother, Sara Griego, age 40, as well as the three younger siblings, ages 9, 5, and 2, said officials in Bernalillo County, N.M.
Police said that multiple firearms were found at Griego's home after the attack, including an assault rifle
Oh look, more ways to conveniently kill multiple people. I'm sure glad that got made!me too. Its pretty bad ass!
http://www.mediaite.com/online/republican-congressman-blames-gun-violence-on-welfare-moms-and-their-welfare-meds/
Rodrigo Diaz, 22, was driving around with his girlfriend and two friends when he pulled into a driveway, thinking they had arrived at another friend’s house, his brother says. But instead he pulled into the driveway of Phillip Sailors, 69, who thought his home was being robbed, his lawyer says. Sailors then shot Diaz, according to the police report, citing what Sailors told officers at the scene. Diaz later died while in the intensive care unit.
“Basically, what happened is they were looking for one of my brother’s girlfriend’s friends,” says his brother David E. Diaz-Valencia, 23. “The guy came outside and my brother’s girlfriend said he was screaming, ‘Get off my property!’ and he shot into the air. My brother was backing out fast because he was scared and he rolled down the window to say he was sorry and he was not doing anything wrong. Then the guy shot him in his head.”
Quote from: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/19/1473881/two-people-accidentally-shot-at-a-gun-show-safety-checkpoint-on-gun-appreciation-day/?mobile=ncEmergency personnel had to be called to the scene of the Dixie Gun and Knife Show in Raleigh, North Carolina after a gun accidentally discharged and shot two people at the show’s safety check-in booth just after 1 pm.QuoteTwo similar incidents occurred at entirely separate gun shows in the Midwest, one in the Cleveland suburb of Medina, Ohio and the other at the state fairgrounds in Indianapolis, Indiana. In Ohio, the local ABC affiliate reports that one individual was brought to a hospital by EMS, and in Indiana Channel 8 WISH says that an individual shot himself in the hand while trying to reload his gun in the show parking lot.QuoteCNN is reporting that three people were injured at the gun show in Raleigh, not two as originally reported. All were victims of a shotgun that fired while the owner was removing it from a case.
Well.
If only there was someone with a gun there to stop this
problem appears to be solving itself, then
What's really a shame is that they almost certainly don't believe in natural selection.
Quote“Basically, what happened is they were looking for one of my brother’s girlfriend’s friends,” says his brother David E. Diaz-Valencia, 23. “The guy came outside and my brother’s girlfriend said he was screaming, ‘Get off my property!’ and he shot into the air. My brother was backing out fast because he was scared and he rolled down the window to say he was sorry and he was not doing anything wrong. Then the guy shot him in his head.”
oh what in the fucking fuck?
I didn't even hear that one
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/01/29/15-year-old-girl-shot-and-killed-in-kenwood-neighborhood-park/
"What people all over the country fear today is that they are going to be abandoned by their country," LaPierre said. "If a tornado hits, if a hurricane hits, if a riot occurs, that they are going to be out there alone and the only way they are going protect themselves in the cold, in the dark, is with a firearm. I think that indicates how relevant and essential the Second Amendment is in today's society to fundamental human survival."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/wayne-lapierre-dick-durbin-baltimore-pd-chief-on-guns-2013-1#ixzz2JUnCdf9z
Authorities first responded after receiving a call of a shooting in Midland City, Ala. involving a Dale County school bus at 3:36 p.m. local time on Tuesday. Authorities later said the bus driver had died and that a child was involved in what they described as an “ongoing incident.” They identified the bus driver as Charles Albert Poland Jr., who had worked for Dale County since 2009.
Authorities have not, however, officially confirmed the hostage situation or the name of the suspect, which has widely been reported as Jimmy Lee Dykes. Dykes reportedly boarded the bus on Tuesday and shot Poland several times, then took a 6-year-old boy from the bus to a bunker near Dykes’ home, where they have remained.
what the fucking fuck is even your suggestion drew?
fuck the shit off drew
An Arizona gun rights group is seeking to ban the destruction of guns that people turn in voluntarily to the police, the Arizona Daily Star reported Friday.
Tucson City Councilman Steve Kozachik, who organized the city's buyback last month, said the issue illustrates how gun owners feel differently about firearms than other pieces of property. He told the paper: "This bill clearly illustrates that some people don't view guns like toasters. When it comes to guns, it's as though they hold some magical or sacred designation in their lives."
To be fair, they destroy a lot of beautiful and historical guns because people are idiots. Some of the shit they're destroying are old west revolvers, WWI and WWII combat rifles and handguns. Sucks to see some historical items destroyed when they're pretty rare.
To be fair, they destroy a lot of beautiful and historical guns because people are idiots. Some of the shit they're destroying are old west revolvers, WWI and WWII combat rifles and handguns. Sucks to see some historical items destroyed when they're pretty rare.
To be fair, they destroy a lot of beautiful and historical guns because people are idiots. Some of the shit they're destroying are old west revolvers, WWI and WWII combat rifles and handguns. Sucks to see some historical items destroyed when they're pretty rare.
Why would a rifle mass produced for a war 70 years ago be collectible? Aren't you still able to find surplus Mosin-Nagants for like a $100?
So it matters that we have 10 million WW2 rifles rather than maybe 1 or 2 million?
So it matters that we have 10 million WW2 rifles rather than maybe 1 or 2 million?ones that are original and in good condition? You are over estimating I think, though I admittedly have no hard stats to back it up. But if what you said was true then these models wouldnt command a premium on the market. However, you're referring to a more common model (in your post below). And even disregarding all that, why does your attitude make sense? "eh. We have plenty. Destroy them." I'm sure that has been said about many things throughout history. And that attitude is exactly what irks gun collectors too. Because what I'm pretty sure you meant was "i don't find it interesting or worthy so who cares?"
IF ONLY THOSE PEOPLE HAD GUNS! GUNS AND TRAINING TO PROTECT THEMSELVES
So it matters that we have 10 million WW2 rifles rather than maybe 1 or 2 million?ones that are original and in good condition? You are over estimating I think, though I admittedly have no hard stats to back it up. But if what you said was true then these models wouldnt command a premium on the market. However, you're referring to a more common model (in your post below). And even disregarding all that, why does your attitude make sense? "eh. We have plenty. Destroy them." I'm sure that has been said about many things throughout history. And that attitude is exactly what irks gun collectors too. Because what I'm pretty sure you meant was "i don't find it interesting or worthy so who cares?"
when you go to the range (you really should, sometime) you put trust in everyone in that room. it's a fact that you try to forget but in cases like this and that other story of the mom who shot her son and then herself brings it to the front of your mind.
Do you trust the average person including yourself to be more likely to be ready and willing to use a gun when really pissed off for a second or when am armed robber has the drop on you in the middle of the night?
the more time passes, the more i realize drew isn't made worse for being a gun owner, but rather gun owners are made worse by drew being one of them.
will someone just lock this fucking thread already, jesus christ
unless the burglar was a vampire and able to phasewalk through walls
will someone just lock this fucking thread already, jesus christ
will someone just lock this fucking thread already, jesus christ
I've owned a pistol for three years now and have hit DEFCON 10 anger wise numerous times with it five feet away from me or on me and the thought never even entered my mind.
oh, you mean the "wild west" falsehood...detractors always say that and it never happens. When cities started first enacting concealed carry the anti's would always say that people would get shot for honking their horn in traffic or to resolve arguments, or how everyone would draw their weapon at the same time and CCWers would shoot each other by mistake during a situation and on and on and it never happens...
Drew, you're walking down the street. I run up on you and steal your waiter tips, which you were counting at the time. You have a gun. What do you do.
will someone just lock this fucking thread already, jesus christ
are you kidding me? this thread will get locked when Frankenstein's assault machine gun extendo clip baby seeking bullet ban bill gets voted on.
you don't HAVE to click, I mean I don't go into your workout thread and tell you guys to stop being fegs and just eat a bearclaw already. kapish?
Drew, you're walking down the street. I run up on you and steal your waiter tips, which you were counting at the time. You have a gun. What do you do.
yeah, but we have a lot of black people shooting other black people with illegal guns. I wonder what that number would be if you subtracted that and justifiable self defense cases.
France has roughly the same proportion of African-descended residents but our gun homicide rate is ~10 times higher.
Serious question for PD, Himu, etc: why did we get all the violent darkies, and France got the docile ones? ???
culture, cocaine...probably a bit more of the first but the second surely doesn't help the situation.
how did you...what? no.
France has roughly the same proportion of African-descended residents but our gun homicide rate is ~10 times higher.
Serious question for PD, Himu, etc: why did we get all the violent darkies, and France got the docile ones? ???
Compared to America where we idolize guns and peoples rights to own them in case the US government decides to ban rock n roll and throw the country into Sharia Law.
Ron Paul on sniper death:
(http://blogues.lapresse.ca/hetu/files/2013/02/2413ronpaultweet-420x233.jpg)
:smugRon Paul on sniper death:
(http://blogues.lapresse.ca/hetu/files/2013/02/2413ronpaultweet-420x233.jpg)
I'm sure Paul will insist that even though that twitter account is in his name, he didn't write that tweet, know who did, or necessarily endorse the opinion of whoever did write it. :teehee
Ron Paul on sniper death:
(http://blogues.lapresse.ca/hetu/files/2013/02/2413ronpaultweet-420x233.jpg)
I'm sure Paul will insist that even though that twitter account is in his name, he didn't write that tweet, know who did, or necessarily endorse the opinion of whoever did write it. :teehee
Ron Paul on sniper death:
(http://blogues.lapresse.ca/hetu/files/2013/02/2413ronpaultweet-420x233.jpg)
I'm sure Paul will insist that even though that twitter account is in his name, he didn't write that tweet, know who did, or necessarily endorse the opinion of whoever did write it. :teehee