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Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
« Reply #121 on: January 07, 2010, 08:59:54 PM »
Have any of you guys read Wanted, the comic that the movie was very loosely based on? I've heard that the comic is completely different from the movie, and also that the comic is really good. I was thinking about trying to get a copy of it based on what I've heard.

I did, hated it. The movie was much better (and still not very good). Millar is something worse than a hack: a hack who thinks "cunt" makes for edgy dialogue
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« Reply #122 on: January 07, 2010, 10:24:42 PM »
millar basically insults you for spending money on it at the end

They also did a reasonably fun Defenders mini-series for Marvel. Why Kevin McGuire isn't working on a major book at all times, I have no idea. Still does the best facial expressions in comics.

he's really slow, i remember reading something back in the day about he and art adams always being the two slowest artists in comics at the time
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« Reply #123 on: January 08, 2010, 12:48:39 AM »
...unlike all the top artists in comics today!

i dunno, Justice League always seemed to come out on time. I used to buy it in issues monthly, I should know.
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« Reply #124 on: January 08, 2010, 08:50:30 AM »
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« Reply #125 on: January 08, 2010, 09:54:51 AM »
ugh
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« Reply #126 on: January 08, 2010, 11:03:46 AM »
Somebody on GAF said it's supposed to be Mimic, which makes me feel better (I was under the impression he was going to be Wolverine's bastard child).

Still, ugh indeed.
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Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
« Reply #127 on: January 08, 2010, 04:51:30 PM »
...unlike all the top artists in comics today!

i dunno, Justice League always seemed to come out on time. I used to buy it in issues monthly, I should know.

so did i, i just read it somewhere

perhaps he had a lot more assistance from inker al gordon back then?

i do know that the last two issues of the adventures of captain america miniseries he did back in 91 were very late, and the last issue had to be finished by another artist
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« Reply #128 on: January 09, 2010, 09:29:53 AM »
I was the hugest Art Adams fan during his first X-Men run, but it's easy to see why he'd be slow. So. Much. Detail.

I also liked Paul Smith. Whatever happened to that guy?

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« Reply #129 on: January 09, 2010, 01:31:59 PM »
last thing i remember him doing is leave it to chance with james robinson, that was a good series
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« Reply #130 on: January 09, 2010, 11:08:37 PM »
last thing i remember him doing is leave it to chance with james robinson, that was a good series
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« Reply #131 on: January 20, 2010, 12:18:36 AM »
Really enjoying Green Lantern right now.
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« Reply #132 on: January 20, 2010, 12:22:46 AM »
Disposable White Guy bought me the first two volumes of Scalped. Pretty good stuff.
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« Reply #133 on: January 20, 2010, 06:20:31 AM »
Really enjoying Green Lantern right now.

Is it worth bothering with the Blackest Night tie-in books, or better to stay with the main series plus Green Lantern and The Green Lantern Corps?

Power Girl #8 comes out tomorrow.  :hyper
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« Reply #134 on: January 20, 2010, 11:46:55 PM »
They are worth a read unless you are paying for them, they aren't essential to the main story its just showing how the non GL characters are dealing with the dead rising, Wonder Woman and Titans have been the best so far.
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« Reply #135 on: January 22, 2010, 03:08:27 AM »
Stick with the GL books.

Geoff Johns has made GL the best Superhero book by far. Read his run from the beginning and it's amazingly consistant. Unbelievably better than the Batman mess. The only mediocre parts come during Crisis, but that's not his fault.

Blackest Night is great and after that we get Brightest Day.

And the stuff coming out about the GL movie is making it sound like we're going to get a pants wettingly awesome series. 
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« Reply #136 on: January 22, 2010, 03:10:32 AM »

Blackest Night is great and after that we get Brightest Day.


Seriously?  BRIGHTEST DAY?  DC Care Bears continues.
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« Reply #137 on: January 22, 2010, 03:13:38 AM »
It makes sense in the GL books.
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« Reply #138 on: January 22, 2010, 03:15:27 AM »
What, isn't that a line from the old GL ring-recharge mantra?  Cheesy.
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« Reply #139 on: January 22, 2010, 03:17:04 AM »
what's Brightest Day about?
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« Reply #140 on: January 22, 2010, 03:19:29 AM »
They haven't said. DC just announced it and it'll start up right after Blackest Night and go through the spring/early summer. Newsarama has the announcement image.
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« Reply #141 on: January 22, 2010, 03:20:28 AM »
what's the post-Blackest Night stuff that you think is going to be "pants wettingly awesome"?
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« Reply #142 on: January 22, 2010, 03:26:38 AM »
what's the post-Blackest Night stuff that you think is going to be "pants wettingly awesome"?

I was referring to the GL movie. They're setting up at least two sequels right off the bat and they're trying to cram everything fans want to see in a Hal Jordan GL movie in it. Instead of saving Sinestro for a sequel he'll be in the first one in a small way.
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« Reply #143 on: January 22, 2010, 03:28:04 AM »


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« Reply #144 on: January 22, 2010, 03:31:23 AM »
The Golden Compass was supposed to have 2 sequels as well but...
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« Reply #145 on: January 22, 2010, 03:39:18 AM »
They altered Golden Compass so much from the books people hated it.

GL is extremely faithful to the comics. Jordan gets the ring from Abin Sur, Sinestro is his mentor, and they even have Kilowag in it. Hammond is the main villain but they're having Sinestro in it as Jordans mentor to set up at least the first sequel.
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« Reply #146 on: January 22, 2010, 03:48:53 AM »
Due to the problems surrounding Supes DC is facing they cut the Clark Kent cameo out of the GL movie, but Guy Gardner is apparently still in it as are the space battles against Legion.
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« Reply #147 on: January 22, 2010, 04:00:05 AM »
nice prismatic logo for the White Lanterns, Care Bear Stare is GO
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« Reply #148 on: January 22, 2010, 04:26:33 AM »
Took a look at an issue of Image United the other day. Basically the Image founders (except Jim Lee) each draw their characters in a massive fanservice piece of crap. The problem is Liefeld is involved and his parts look like some dumb teenager snuck their trapper keeper sketches into the book.
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« Reply #149 on: January 22, 2010, 04:46:56 AM »
I only read Hellboy, really.

I also read most of The Death of Captain America's arc. Brubaker is amazing.
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« Reply #150 on: January 22, 2010, 04:50:16 AM »
Brubaker is the best Marvel has. It's too bad he's forced to do Quesada's bidding.
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« Reply #151 on: January 22, 2010, 04:53:15 AM »
Brubaker is the best Marvel has. It's too bad he's forced to do Quesada's bidding.

I hear the Cap movie is going to be set mainly during WW2. If so, rad.
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« Reply #152 on: January 22, 2010, 04:56:12 AM »
Yea and then the comics will be set during WWII while the movie is in theaters. 

Quesada should've been forced out after the Spidey bullshit he forced on JMS. Fuck him.
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« Reply #153 on: January 22, 2010, 05:04:30 AM »
I wanna read some Batman and Superman but I only really dug the WB cartoons penned by Dini and Timm. Which comics are really worth diving into?

I know as far as Batman, No Man's Land is a must. I've already done Long Halloween, DKR (awesome) and DK2 (which sucked). I've also read Killing Joke. Not really interested in the Arkham Asylum TPB.

I'm completely lost on Supes comics. I tried reading Kingdom Come and wanted to shoot myself by the end.
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« Reply #154 on: January 22, 2010, 05:17:22 AM »
For Supes I'd jump around. Read the Death storyline but stop before the funeral/supermen crap. The newer stuff has been good. Richard Donner had a short run on it that reintroduced Zod and lead into the current (and good) New Krypton story.

Same thing with Batman. Read Knightfall, but not the Azbat bullshit. 
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« Reply #155 on: January 22, 2010, 05:18:27 AM »
Oh yeah you MUST read Death in the Family. Joker beating Jason Todd with a crowbar before blowing him up is classic.
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« Reply #156 on: January 22, 2010, 06:20:06 AM »
Raban: Read Batman Year One. Miller and Mazuchelli. Really good stuff.

No Man's Land is a must? What?

In general, all the best Batman stuff is regular single-issue stories. Longer does not equal better.

Manabyte, "faithful to the comics" does not inspire me at all. The recent animated film had all that stuff, even Kilowog, and it was still boring.
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« Reply #157 on: January 22, 2010, 06:27:09 AM »
Raban: Read Batman Year One. Miller and Mazuchelli. Really good stuff.

No Man's Land is a must? What?

In general, all the best Batman stuff is regular single-issue stories. Longer does not equal better.

Manabyte, "faithful to the comics" does not inspire me at all. The recent animated film had all that stuff, even Kilowog, and it was still boring.

Forgot to mention I own Year One as well. Excellent stuff. Mazzucchelli is an amazing artist. I wanted to get Asterios Polyp simply because his name's on it.

So...No Man's Land is no good?
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« Reply #158 on: January 22, 2010, 06:30:06 AM »
I read it all (i read any old shit) but it's really not much good. The premise is ridiculous and they sweep it all under the carpet at the end like nothing ever happened. Plus, it's spread over about 50 books so it's a bit of a slog. Give it a couple of issues by all means but I really wouldn't expect you to like it much.
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« Reply #159 on: January 22, 2010, 06:52:57 AM »
Superman Red Son is an awesome Elseworlds book.
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« Reply #160 on: January 22, 2010, 07:04:40 AM »
For Supes I'd jump around. Read the Death storyline but stop before the funeral/supermen crap. The newer stuff has been good. Richard Donner had a short run on it that reintroduced Zod and lead into the current (and good) New Krypton story.

Same thing with Batman. Read Knightfall, but not the Azbat bullshit. 

The Death of Superman "story" is terrible.  It's just a seven-issue long fistfight.  The Funeral/Supermen thing is WAY more interesting.

Same thing with Knightfall.  Shit story, the stuff that happened afterwards (the idea of introducing an "edgy" Batman just to show fans who wanted one how much they'd hate it) is much more interesting.

Death in the Family is also crap. wtf with your recommendations.
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« Reply #161 on: January 22, 2010, 07:10:46 AM »
Azbat was shit. It was just DC trying to capitalize on Image by making a Batman that was a reject from Youngblood.
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« Reply #162 on: January 22, 2010, 07:18:23 AM »
wait, did you fail to recommend All Star Superman and recommend New Krypton instead?

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« Reply #163 on: January 22, 2010, 07:24:08 AM »
The All Star books are just DCs version of the Ultimate universe. Blah.
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« Reply #164 on: January 22, 2010, 07:28:45 AM »
Azbat was shit. It was just DC trying to capitalize on Image by making a Batman that was a reject from Youngblood.

...you really missed the point of that entire storyline, didn't you?  Wow.
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« Reply #165 on: January 22, 2010, 08:25:26 AM »
wait, did you fail to recommend All Star Superman and recommend New Krypton instead?



to be fair new krypton is pretty good

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« Reply #166 on: January 22, 2010, 10:06:01 AM »
They altered Golden Compass so much from the books people hated it.

GL is extremely faithful to the comics. Jordan gets the ring from Abin Sur, Sinestro is his mentor, and they even have Kilowag in it. Hammond is the main villain but they're having Sinestro in it as Jordans mentor to set up at least the first sequel.

Ryan Reynolds is playing Hal Jordan, that pretty much kills most of my interest for the movie.
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« Reply #167 on: January 22, 2010, 12:10:58 PM »
wait, did you fail to recommend All Star Superman and recommend New Krypton instead?



to be fair new krypton is pretty good


Is it? I can't really get past the whole "last son of krypton except for his new 50,000 friends" thing

What's the diff between New Krypton and the Bottle City of Kandor

Also, failing to recommend All-Star Superman is about the worst oversight imaginable.

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« Reply #168 on: January 22, 2010, 12:17:11 PM »
that's kind of why it's cool

all of superman's friends are fascists and hate humanity
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« Reply #169 on: January 22, 2010, 12:18:23 PM »
is New Krypton an actual planet? or is it shrunk in a bottle somewhere?

and the New Kryptonians are jerks?

I stopped even paying attention to DC Superman when uh, Superman was not in the comic for like a year. Mon-El? GTFO

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« Reply #170 on: January 22, 2010, 12:20:50 PM »
i stopped reading it for the past 6 months, but i read like a year's worth in a day or so and it's honestly pretty good.

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« Reply #171 on: January 22, 2010, 04:12:12 PM »
New Krypton is Kandor. Brainiac broke open Kandor and unleashed all the Kryptonians.

Basically for years writers have been saying to give Supes some depth give him a kid to deal with. Well that didn't go over well in a movie, so they decided "well, lets give him 100,000 Kryptonians to deal with"
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« Reply #172 on: January 23, 2010, 08:26:22 AM »
I've got no love for Superman; he's boring, through and through. The only time I've enjoyed him is when Morrison wrote him in JLA and All-Star Superman. My vision of Supes is the brainwashed dope from Dark Knight Returns. He wants to do the right thing, but he's just so powerful that he never has to think about it hard enough.

Hm. Kind of an analogy for America, I guess.

I've been reading Peter David's Fallen Angel. It's been a long run, and I've almost given up several times, usually after a really trite spate of dialog, but things have finally gotten interesting. He's been trying to do "dark" for three or four years, and it's like he finally figured it out. I guess he had to come down off all the sterility of those Star Trek novels he wrote (which are some of the best Trek novels, for what that's worth).

Also re-read Doktor Sleepless, which is better the second time around. I'm less upset by all the almost instantaneously dated tech references, and getting more into the larger picture of what it takes to change the world when it's crap but everyone's convinced themselves that it's tolerable. The tulpa stuff is pretty neat; not sure how he's going to work in The Old Ones he's shown taking out Dok's parents. The art in the book is annoyingly straightforward while managing to be uneven. I honestly like his artist on Freakangels better, Paul Duffield; at least he's consistent and has a sense of enthusiasm.

And Rob Liefield can't draw.

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« Reply #173 on: January 24, 2010, 09:28:40 AM »
I've been doing a decent amount of comic reading lately starting with the random rush from the summer where I had an urge to go through the current GL run in time for Blackest Night. Still picking up GL/GLC/BN monthly and just finished catching up on Invincible (which I loved). I think Walking Dead is next for me, it's something that I've wanted to start for a while and I figure it's a good time to start with my Kirkman kick from Invincible.

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« Reply #174 on: January 25, 2010, 12:42:25 AM »
Love Invincible. It's like Spider-man could be if the status quo was ever allowed change meaningfully. Walking Dead is also great, although I think death fatigue set in for me a while back. It takes a lot to shock me now.
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« Reply #175 on: January 25, 2010, 08:55:47 PM »
http://www.tcj.com/superhero/rich-kreiners-yearlong-best-of-the-year-new-krypton


We’re in the midst of complimenting, amazingly enough, aspects of three ongoing commercial mega-crossovers. Last time, acknowledgment went to crafted early moments of Brian Michael Bendis’ Dark Avengers which displayed real cleverness in conception and smacked of authentic presidential malfeasance. This time it’s the more complex social and political framework underlying the “New Krypton” cycle in DC’s Superman-related titles.

“New Krypton” is the realm created by the enlargement of Brainiac’s bottled city of Kandor, a Silver Age artifact familiar to Superman readers of longstanding. That enlargement unleashes a flood of super-powered Kryptonians on Earth, in essence 100,000 new Supermen, itself a wrinkle that might awaken some curiosity in readers of almost any standing.

Early on there are glimpses of what that many endowed aliens might mean to the storyline. Among the glistening spires of New Krypton, a newly supered-up visitor dumps a blue whale carcass in a pristine courtyard: “I found this in the water. It tried to eat me. I punched it. It stopped trying to eat me.” At street-level Metropolis, two Kryptonians exhibit indifference, then disdain, at a traffic accident; they were moved neither to prevent it before nor to mitigate the severity of the injuries after. It all tends to heighten the clash of sensibilities and, in the process, throw into high relief the deep-seated humanity the Kents bequeathed their adopted son Clark during the course of his upbringing.

Of course things get worse for almost everybody. There’s an admirable coordination between the saga’s authors, among them Geoff Johns and James Robinson, in conveying the astonishment and confusion rippling along both sides of the species divide.They provide the satisfying progression from nervousness to apprehension to suspicion to antagonism to provocation and hostility between the sides, an escalation accelerated by sheer foreignness and disparate wherewithal. On “our” side are wary citizens, overmatched costumed good guys and, well behind the scenes, bad guys forwarding their own agenda. The other side boasts a multitude of strange visitors from another planet, augmented to unmatchable levels, carrying out their own agenda in plain sight. And why wouldn’t they? What have they to hide or be ashamed and hesitant about? Anyway, who could do anything about it?

In one proactive bit of vigilante housecleaning — not to trivialize death, even in funnybooks — several cops are killed in the line of duty by Kryptonians (unnecessarily, it appears to readers). The newcomers’ leader, Alura, explains: “there’s an earth term I’ve learned of late – collateral damage. These policemen were unlucky.” Eventually she will allow that humans are “Pathetic and inferior yet mired in hubris. Let them all die.”

Not to trivialize real-world horrors — especially as funnybook inspiration — but it’s difficult not to map specific incidents, twists or snippets of dialogue onto those real-world horrors.  First to mind are the conflicts of the Middle East. American servicemen and women, armed and armored like relative supermen, alien supermen, intervene in Iraq, hoping that shock and awe can pave the way to immediate objectives. Perhaps a closer mapping still is that of the Palestinian / Israeli fighting during the winter of 2008. There, the latter, enjoying a similar superiority of armament and weaponry, inflicted wildly disproportionate degrees of “collateral damage” upon their opposition. Theirs was a premeditated response that could have flowed directly from the position enunciated by the fictional Alura: “Until we are absolutely safe, there can be no limits.”

As for our escapist entertainment, Superman, compromised by his multiple allegiances, is superimpotent to effectively intervene, unable to prevent unfolding tragedies. So’s Supergirl, twice over, as her mom is Alura.  By way of contrast, Lex Luthor remains an exemplar of unswerving motivation, pure as driven soot. All in all, the opening act made for a tight and tidy dilemma for its principle players.

As of the end of the second collected volume of the “New Krypton” storyline, some of the most intractable problems mentioned here have seemingly been sidestepped, put on a back burner by the fabulous developments possible only in comics. Thank goodness this is only an imaginary story, eh?
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Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
« Reply #176 on: January 25, 2010, 09:33:19 PM »
Is DC still in danger of losing their rights to Superman?
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Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
« Reply #177 on: January 25, 2010, 09:34:11 PM »
Is DC still in danger of losing their rights to Superman?

They lost some rights, kept others. And the heirs can sue them if they don't get a Superman movie started by next year.
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Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
« Reply #178 on: January 25, 2010, 09:56:18 PM »
that actually sounds pretty interesting (New Krypton), but unfortunately comics means I have no idea where to start, what to read, which books are involved, etc. Comics!
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Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
« Reply #179 on: January 26, 2010, 08:17:30 AM »
there are two tpbs of new krypton and one of Brainiac

the brainiac one is prelude that shows how kandor came to be on earth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Krypton
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