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« Reply #3300 on: January 02, 2015, 05:22:39 AM »
Shazam! (2011) Vol. 1

As a new Shazam fan, I was both looking forward to and dreading this book. Geoff Johns has consistently won me over and I heard this book was great, but I was unsure about some of the decisions made... mostly regarding Billy.

And yeah, Billy's a little snot in this book (to put it nicely.) I expected it and I'm still not totally happy with it, since the first version of Captain Marvel/Shazam I really knew and loved was the Young Justice version which portrayed him as an enthusiastic, naive, but well-meaning little dork. Changing him to be a selfish, mean-spirited punk is thus entirely the opposite of why I started to like the character in the first place.

With all that said, this was a great book. The New 52 never actually had a Shazam ongoing - this book collects the backup stories from some early Justice League books. I can't imagine following this story any other way than this collected form though, it feels more like a graphic novel than any kind of split-issue story.

The writing is great. While I didn't like Billy's new personality, it's believably written and you do feel bad for the kid. Plus, it's obvious he's set up at the beginning to be unlikable so he can grow through the story. At the very least I can say it's a fresh take on the character (as far as I know), and it leaves a lot of room for interesting character development... if Johns ever gets around to doing a proper Shazam series, since he's forbidding anyone else to do one while he's busy (from what I've heard.)

The story is kind of a standard origin-story, I don't know what elements were changed from the original setup, but I think it all flows together really well here. And while he's portrayed as a pure-villain for most of the plot, Black Adam veers close back to the pragmatic-but-still-detestable type I know him as in other media.

Art was OK for me. Faces were expressive and battles were nice and punchy, but I'm not personally a fan of sketchy penciling and shading.

Overall, a great reintroduction of Shazam that left me wanting more... mostly to see Billy grow into a better person. I guess we'll probably get that through the Justice League now, but Shazam deserves an ongoing more than half the rest of the stuff DC is publishing.

4 / 5



Justice League (2011) #30-34 "Injustice League"

Lex Luthor has joined the Justice League! Geoff Johns handles this event (and everything leading up to it) with a steady, sure hand. He knows what he's doing, and he knows wherever this is going to lead, and he knows we'll trust him. He has confidence, but it's not arrogance.

The first job the Luthor League takes on is battling Power Ring, one of the three Crime Syndicate flunkies left alive after Forever Evil. Well, "alive" being relative - the ring has an entirely new host. Basically, it's like a sentient Yellow Lantern ring. Also on the case are The New 52 Doom Patrol, and man, I really liked how Johns sets them up. They're kind of a detestable bunch, but mostly because of their leader. The way the Power Ring battle is resolved and how Power Ring ends up is another interesting twist - basically, Power Ring joins the Justice League. On top of Lex and possibly Captain Cold (Lex's new bodyguard), that makes three new "villains" on the league. Johns' idea of playing with antiheros joining the League is a fantastic one that opens up many rich story possibilities.

While the battle with Power Ring is the major focus of the book, I like a lot of the smaller details too. Such as Shazam exploring his powers after some prodding by Cyborg and basically magic-ing up a Ping Pong table. I love stuff like that, and Johns nails the voices of every character. My favorite moment was a short (two page?) scene with Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman alone discussing Luthor's entrance into the League. I really love it when they show these three characters interacting and making decisions and not just arguing or fighting. The "DC Trinity" as I call it are most interesting to me when they're talking like normal humans about big decisions like this.

Also, I smiled a bit when Luthor brings up the JL's declining approval rates and his own skyrocketing ones as reason to let him join, and Aquaman angrily replies that they don't care about approval rates. I think back to how the Avengers/Ultimates have acted sometimes and wonder if they could learn a thing or two from that exchange.

4 / 5



Joker (2008)

I've heard a lot of great things about this graphic novel over the years. Strangely, the only negative reaction I know of was one I read last week. This was on sale during DC's recent holiday sale, so I finally picked it up.

Something that's almost immediately apparent is that the "Joker" in this book isn't really the Joker. He's got the makeup and sometimes does something "unexpected," but even when he does so it's that trademark "mafia-style" unexpected where it's just killing a guy he was being nice to. Basically, he's a mob boss in Joker makeup.

It's clear The Dark Knight was a significant, if not sole influence on this work (to the point where the Joker's entire look is lifted almost wholesale from that movie), but I have to say that the Joker here has even less in common with the comic book Joker than Heath Ledger's did. Actually, far less. There's traces of every Joker in Ledger's, and while it's put through the Nolan realism filter, it's all still there and definitely "Joker." The Joker in this book doesn't even really laugh (at least, not on-panel.) He doesn't tell jokes (and in fact, discourages others from telling jokes.) He doesn't do anything zany (like dressing up in nurse outfit), nor does he have any real larger plan. He's just a thug in clown makeup, and Harley's a mute stripper (how edgy!)

I know I'm harping a lot on the Joker not being "the Joker," but this book was kind of billed as the "definitive" Joker story and interpretation and I'm just left scratching my head.

The book itself has some good writing, even if things are a bit predictable and the plot strangely doesn't go anywhere or lead up to anything. It was a good idea, focusing on one of Joker's goons following him around after he gets out of Arkham. It just never does anything interesting with it. I feel like this book was overrated in the wake up The Dark Knight's release (as it came out the same year.)

2 / 5
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Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
« Reply #3301 on: January 02, 2015, 08:33:20 AM »
Did you just say the art on Shazam was ok? Fucking Gary Frank "ok"? That's  :trash tier talk
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« Reply #3302 on: January 02, 2015, 11:32:31 AM »
Holy shit Cassandra Cain is coming back??? God is real.

Also, January 2015 is the 20th year anniversary of the massive Age of Apocalypse event. I'm going to reread it all.

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« Reply #3303 on: January 02, 2015, 04:15:42 PM »
Did you just say the art on Shazam was ok? Fucking Gary Frank "ok"? That's  :trash tier talk

It's just really scratchy which I don't personally care for. Art is subjective. :yeshrug

Edit- On reviewing it further it's not that scratchy. I guess I kinda got used to it. It's good art.

Holy shit Cassandra Cain is coming back??? God is real.

For a two-issue filler comic, yeah. :fbm
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« Reply #3304 on: January 03, 2015, 01:53:27 AM »
ART-GOD MARCUS TO IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE NEXT MULTIVERSITY (the 80-page giant-format The Multiversity Guidebook, releasing later this month)

I'm probably acting way more excited than I should, but Marcus To is my favorite comic artist ever AND he replied to me on Tumblr. :rejoice Picking this ish up DAY ONE.

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« Reply #3305 on: January 05, 2015, 01:27:17 AM »
Ok, finally started my 2004-present "FOLLOW THE ENTIRE MARVEL UNIVERSE" trip.  Read through 2004's Avengers' Disassembled event along with the Thor/Iron-Man/Capt America/Capt & The Falcon/Spiderman/FF tie-ins.

First of all, the worst part of events going on at the same time is that continuity between different series and writers is fucking horrible.  Characters will mention another event taking/took place but they don't ACT like any of that is happening.  Like for instance in the main Avengers run where hell and chaos is breaking loose and people are dying and meanwhile at roughly the same time Captain America is going to baseball games, going on dates w/diamondback (even though in the main avengers run at the same time he's getting intersted in Scarlet Witch) and fighting silly Serpent Society all with Nick Fury and Shield while also at the same time in Captain & The Falcon he's running renegade, against & evading Shield & Fury while trying to protect some secret navy soldier from the Secret Navy Forces. 

It's so disjointed in timing and character and themes (X-men post-Morrison in Excalibur/New X-Men/Uncanny X-men/Astonishing X-men all running at the same time in the same universe post Morrison New-Xmen events is just as disjointed and nonsensical) that rather than having everything supposed to be taking place all at once, I wish they were just alternate universe stories and the main timeline was just like ONE comic that has continuity.

That being said, separately:

Avengers 500-503/Finale (Disassembled) - Really dark and chaotic and wtf.  It's fine and I can see how if you'd been into Avengers for decades this would be a MAJOR powerful event changing up the Marvel Comic world, but having not really been into Avengers, even as a teenager into comics (mainly X-men and Image/Dark Horse), it's just ok and seems really rushed.
 
Thor tie-in Ragnorak - Solid

Captain & The Falcon tie-in - Very solid.  Like Winter Soldier-ish Captain + Falcon here.  Will keep reading this trade run.

Captain America tie-in - Reaaaal stupid with Red Skull and Serpent Society and stuff.

Iron-man tie-in - Was alright but I'm so sick of marvel "mysteries" revealing to be some dumb NPC no character person being behind it all.

Spectacular Spiderman tie-in - This was really wtf and disturbing (basically Spiderman x THE FLY) and didn't really have anything to do with Disassembled besides Spiderman getting an upgrade in power set.

Fantastic Four tie-in - Was ok.


Now gonna read some more pre-Disassembled stuff, while following some of these post-Disassembled until House of M, which is the next major event on the list.  I'm definitely getting my 1 year sub worth on Unlimited!  I also don't really care about quality at this point.  It's mostly popcorn fluff with some good, some bad but I just like understanding the continuity of the marvel universe over the last 10 years and everything that's happened so I can get caught up on present running stuff eventually.

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« Reply #3306 on: January 05, 2015, 10:53:01 AM »
I'd probably skip the tie-ins for most of those events.  Pretty worthless.  The only ones I remember liking were the tie-ins for Secret Invasion (lots of backstory on the Skrulls who took the place of various heroes) and AvX (The stuff with Hope training to use (won't say due to spoilers!) and backstory on it.

IIRC, you're coming up to the point where there was a big shift/reorganization at Marvel for teams and for writers.  Disassembled, in relation to the Avengers, is just them writing a silly story to ditch all the C level superheroes and start over with Spider-Man, Wolverine, and the like as Avengers instead.  Get ready for some Bendis. 

I also enjoyed the Planet Hulk story (it's all self-contained and is like Hulk: The Barbarian in spaaaaace) and its follow-up, World War Hulk, where a pissed-off Hulk returns to Earth and fucks up everybody.
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« Reply #3307 on: January 05, 2015, 11:36:22 AM »
I remember reading Disassembled back when it was first coming out and I was pretty new to comics. It was absurd and I had no idea who the hell any of the characters were. I think it was kind of blunt and out of nowhere, but it was still kind of simple fun.

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« Reply #3308 on: January 05, 2015, 05:42:33 PM »




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« Reply #3311 on: January 08, 2015, 02:35:19 PM »
Spider-Verse resumed this week.  More Spider-Totem-Hunters-Killing-Spidery-Mans continues, more Spider-peoples running away and shit.  Amazing Spider-Man #12 was hyped up to have a huge, megaton reveal, but it kind of fell flat to me.

Summary:
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During this event, the various Spider-Men were taking refuge in a universe protected by the Spider-Man fused the power of Captain Universe.  The head of Morlun's family pops up and kills him easily, leaving them with no safe places to go.  However, Silk teleported to a version of Earth that was an apocalyptic wasteland and the hunters chasing her were scared to go there.  The place is highly irradiated and the Spider-Men can withstand the radiation, but others can't.  She finds a safe place to go -the hidden 'vault' that she was locked in on 616 Earth is here in this world, and it's Spider-Man is still there.
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The reveal:
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It's Uncle Ben.

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But since it's just an alternate version of the character, I don't see what the big deal is.  Maybe it will lead to something though.

Also, Spider-Horse and the talking Spider-Car!
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« Reply #3312 on: January 08, 2015, 02:59:00 PM »
Marvel...... ahahahahahaaaa

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« Reply #3314 on: January 08, 2015, 09:01:18 PM »
Spider-Verse resumed this week.  More Spider-Totem-Hunters-Killing-Spidery-Mans continues, more Spider-peoples running away and shit.  Amazing Spider-Man #12 was hyped up to have a huge, megaton reveal, but it kind of fell flat to me.

Summary:
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During this event, the various Spider-Men were taking refuge in a universe protected by the Spider-Man fused the power of Captain Universe.  The head of Morlun's family pops up and kills him easily, leaving them with no safe places to go.  However, Silk teleported to a version of Earth that was an apocalyptic wasteland and the hunters chasing her were scared to go there.  The place is highly irradiated and the Spider-Men can withstand the radiation, but others can't.  She finds a safe place to go -the hidden 'vault' that she was locked in on 616 Earth is here in this world, and it's Spider-Man is still there.
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The reveal:
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It's Uncle Ben.

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But since it's just an alternate version of the character, I don't see what the big deal is.  Maybe it will lead to something though.

Also, Spider-Horse and the talking Spider-Car!
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« Reply #3315 on: January 10, 2015, 01:51:19 PM »
Started my re-read of Age of Apocalypse. Just finished X-Men Alpha and it really does hold up. So many bizarre concepts, so many bizarre character allegiances. I love that Rogue had a fuckin baby with Magneto  :lol :lol :lol

I'm going to go through each miniseries on it's own before I read Omega. I can't wait to re-read the fuckery that goes on in Generation Next.

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« Reply #3316 on: January 11, 2015, 08:07:24 AM »
http://marvel.com/news/comics/23916/japanese_spiderman_rocks_spider-verse_returns_to_marvelcom

Marvel is streaming two episodes of the 1970s tokusatsu Spider-Man show.  They haven't hosted these for 6 years
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« Reply #3317 on: January 11, 2015, 08:10:57 AM »
http://marvel.com/news/comics/23916/japanese_spiderman_rocks_spider-verse_returns_to_marvelcom

Marvel is streaming two episodes of the 1970s tokusatsu Spider-Man show.  They haven't hosted these for 6 years

i guess they want to give some insight on his and leopaldons inclusion in spiderverse. smart

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« Reply #3318 on: January 11, 2015, 09:26:18 AM »
that's essentially the justification for it.  They used to host 13 episodes back in the day.
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« Reply #3319 on: January 12, 2015, 09:24:38 AM »
This is the only Spider-Man video you need to watch.  :smug



If I'm hearing it right, Spider-Man introduces himself as "the warrior from hell" in the first few clips.   :lol
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« Reply #3320 on: January 12, 2015, 09:46:23 AM »
This is the only Spider-Man video you need to watch.  :smug



If I'm hearing it right, Spider-Man introduces himself as "the warrior from hell" in the first few clips.   :lol

its amazing the influence spider man had on modern toku series(dynamic poses, mecha battles)its pretty obvious why the character is popular in japan

it would be dope if marvel gave toei permission to do a modern variant like they did with inazuman or kikaider, but i fear they would intervene too much

and fuck, im watching it again. his pose game is too on point

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« Reply #3321 on: January 12, 2015, 10:50:43 AM »
I watched Supaidaman a few months ago, awesome show. :rock

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« Reply #3322 on: January 13, 2015, 10:06:07 PM »


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America's favorite teen meets the galaxy's fiercest hunter! Archie and friends hit Costa Rica for Spring Break, where party games and beach games are soon replaced by the Most Dangerous Game! What mysterious attraction does the gang hold for the trophy-collecting Predator, and will the kids even realize they're in danger before it claims them all?
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« Reply #3323 on: January 13, 2015, 10:52:27 PM »
archie looking badass has me interested, but i can only get with archie in digest form

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« Reply #3324 on: January 14, 2015, 01:26:13 PM »
Avengers #40  :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd

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« Reply #3325 on: January 15, 2015, 03:13:24 AM »
tchalla at prime not giving a fuck mode in this issue.

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« Reply #3326 on: January 15, 2015, 07:50:55 AM »
Avengers 40:

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I doubt Namor or any of the Cabal are dead.  Still, Namor got was coming.
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Where has Black Bolt been all this time?  I thought he was dead?
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« Reply #3327 on: January 16, 2015, 02:54:13 PM »
Read through the Waid Fantastic Four Run #60-70, 500-524.

Was good, great, then good again.  My first time reading anything FF and I liked the initial cleverness and humor, the way the team played off each other and gelled.  Then Doctor Doom arc was pretty cool and the ramifications of it going on for the next arc or two or three were great and goofy but fun.  Then some filler and then the Galactus stuff was solid.  The run was generally well written and fun and it made me like the Fantastic Four and I'm looking forward to reading more of their stuff and maybe even seeing the upcoming movie if it's not crap (unlikely).


My only real issues with the Wade run is that nothing permanent seems like it can really happen.  They can't kill off a FF member or change The Thing back to human or anything because then they wouldn't be the Fantastic Four.  So there are minor changes but they lack real impact because everything will be all fine and back to status quo again in 20 issues.  I know that's a big problem with the Marvel Universe in general, but at least with X-men there's like a million mutants/characters so they can do some pretty major changes here and there.  The characters and who they are aren't completely locked in stone like Fantastic Four. 
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« Reply #3328 on: January 16, 2015, 03:14:39 PM »
My only real issues with the Wade run is that nothing permanent seems like it can really happen.  They can't kill off a FF member or change The Thing back to human or anything because then they wouldn't be the Fantastic Four.  So there are minor changes but they lack real impact because everything will be all fine and back to status quo again in 20 issues.  I know that's a big problem with the Marvel Universe in general, but at least with X-men there's like a million mutants/characters so they can do some pretty major changes here and there.  The characters and who they are aren't completely locked in stone like Fantastic Four. 

Actually, the Thing being back to human has been done before.  And it lasted for a pretty long time.  At least a few years, IIRC.  And the FF has been more than just the core four members in the past, too.  Back in the late 80s/early 90s, the thing's girlfriend was Ms. Marvel (Sharon Ventura, not Carol Danvers.  Nice and confusing!).  She ended up becoming a female version of the Thing and he was turned back into a human.  But he got an armored suit that made him look like he did as the Thing, so he could still fight.  They also had a storyline where both Reed and Doom were presumed dead for a while.  I can't remember if this is what led to that awful 1993 or 1994 year-long plotline of Reed being gone and Sue taking over as team leader -wearing one of the most hilariously-bad scantily clad costumes- because I'm pretty sure that was the second time Reed was presumed dead.    :lol  During that time, the Fantastic "Four" were like eight members strong, too.   :lol

I never read the Waid FF run but will check it out if you're recommending it.  Haven't read FF in a long time...tried the last series out and got bored quick. 

One of the older stories I remember enjoying was the "New Fantastic Four" story from the early 90s.  It's a short storyline drawn by Art Adams that lasted maybe 4-5 issues.  Can't remember the writer.  Without spoiling anything, something happens to the FF and Spider-Man, Hulk, Wolverine, and Ghost Rider take over.  Was a fun read.
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« Reply #3329 on: January 16, 2015, 04:31:20 PM »
Yeah, it's definitely worth a read.  After a few issues it becomes a real page turner for a while.

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« Reply #3330 on: January 16, 2015, 05:30:25 PM »
Avengers #40 pissed me the fuck off.
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Namor and the Cabal are the only ones doing what's needed. They'd all be dead if not for those great heroes.
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« Reply #3331 on: January 16, 2015, 05:44:41 PM »
I think the cliffhanger in that issue is just a big tease. 
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Nobody is going to be dead...especially Thanos.
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« Reply #3332 on: January 16, 2015, 05:49:49 PM »
Avengers #40 pissed me the fuck off.
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Namor and the Cabal are the only ones doing what's needed. They'd all be dead if not for those great heroes.
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he shouldnt have taunted tchalla.

I think the cliffhanger in that issue is just a big tease. 
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Nobody is going to be dead...especially Thanos.
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secret wars already spoilered this. besides, the big dude came back from worse

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« Reply #3333 on: January 19, 2015, 12:18:34 AM »
While I was on a trip for the weekend, at night read through Frank Miller's 1993, Daredevil - The Man Without Fear which was a solid origin peace until I got to the end of issue 5 and THERE WAS NO ISSUE 6  ???

It didn't really have a decent conclusion, so I tried to figure out where the next continuity was to follow the story and that took me back to 1963 which didn't really match up since the 1993 one was a retcon so it was kind of confusing and I basically just read a ton of issues that seemed important from the 1963-1997 run (although Marvel Unlimited is missing a ton and doesn't have anything between 1994-1997).  I read all the Kingpin issues, all the Bullseye issues, Born Again, some of the Elecktra stuff.  Most of it was awful in that 1960/70s camp, though Born Again by Miller was alright.  That and with the help of Wikipedia I think I have a general grasp on everything Daredevil that happens before the 1998 Bendis run.  But I've learned two things:

1) Daredevil is a really dull character.  The stories themselves can be entertaining gritty crime like The Punisher, but Matt Murdock has the personality of cardboard.  Bullseye is entertaining since he's Deadpool except evil and Kingpin is good as a super ruthless kill everyone that frowns character.  But Daredevil sucks.

2) Ok, so the 1993 retcon Origin has this big red herring about Stitch the blind janitor and his organization behind the shadows.  It's real interesting in that 5 issue run.  So I'm thinking is Stitch like an Angel/Devil like from Constantine or from another dimension like Immortal Iron Fist?  Were Daredevil's powers actually part of some larger cosmic plan and not just some kid that gets radiated and suddenly can hear heartbeats?  I'm pretty excited and I'm having trouble finding where the hell the Stitch story continuation is post-Man without Fear.  Well, it turns out that it's in issue like 181 or something of the 1963 run (around the early 80s) and Stitch is actually just a fucking member of the FOOT CLAN FROM NINJA TURTLES OUT TO RECRUIT MORE NINJAS.   :kobeyuck What?  Could they have come up with a less interesting plotline?  All that setting up in the 1993 Retcon just for...nothing.  Man, that was the biggest letdown I've had in a while.  How do you make ninja reveals a let down? 

Anyhow, now I'm really interested in the Daredevil Netflix show because it's going to take the Frank Miller 1993 Origin story and run with it for about 4-5 eps and then it'll actually have the chance to continue from it in full continuity and tone with the subplots and characters and themes that it setup.  Having to go from that Origin -> 1960s Benny Hill Daredevil in continuity is freaking awful.  Even going to 1980s Frank Miller is not very good as it feel different and the two worlds seem off continuity.  So have a chance to restart Daredevil and keep the tone consistent could be pretty cool.

This is also is the first comic I've read that is a very good argument for rebooting the Marvel Universe so you don't have modern day Origin stories/early era stories that completely conflict in tone and continuity with the 1950s/60s/70s comics.

Gonna read Bendis now (gotta read the Shitty Kevin Smith 1-15 first :\ ), then probably will read Black Panther next.  Want to catch up on all the different Marvel characters before continuing on with the Marvel Universe post Avengers Disassembled.

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« Reply #3334 on: January 19, 2015, 02:32:10 AM »
Which Black Panther series are you going to read?

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« Reply #3335 on: January 19, 2015, 03:54:07 AM »
1998 Priest run.  Using this-

http://www.comicbookherald.com/the-complete-marvel-reading-order-guide/knights-until-avengers-disassembled/

-page as a basis for all the stuff to catch up on before moving to post-2004 era Marvel.  Probably already read about 1/3rd of those.
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« Reply #3336 on: January 19, 2015, 04:01:36 AM »
1998 Priest run.  Using this page as a basis for all the stuff to catch up on before moving to post-2004 era Marvel.  Probably already read about 1/3rd of those.

its good stuff. pass on the hudlin run though.

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« Reply #3337 on: January 19, 2015, 06:45:23 AM »
got around to reading final crisis, my first dc event/story and really enjoyed it especially all the meta superman stuff. any other stories in a similar vein? and how's x-factor?

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« Reply #3338 on: January 20, 2015, 12:49:55 AM »
got around to reading final crisis, my first dc event/story and really enjoyed it especially all the meta superman stuff. any other stories in a similar vein? and how's x-factor?

which era of xfactor? theres 4 distinct series. the first had the original xmen as the lineup, the second had the government run team(one of my favorite lineups ever. havok with the GOAT costume) the third and most popular is the dectective agency run with jamie madrox as the lead character, and the current soon to be ending run that has polaris as the leader of a corporate run super team

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« Reply #3339 on: January 20, 2015, 12:54:49 AM »
The first X-Factor with the original X-Men is one of my favourite series and the 2005 Peter David X-Factor is really great too. I thought it went off the rails after Messiah Complex, but the first 25 or so issues are incredible.

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« Reply #3340 on: January 20, 2015, 07:10:52 AM »
sounds like it's worth just getting marvel unlimited for a month and slogging through it all

edit: is there a service similar to marvel unlimited  for dc? i just went on comixology and say there's a bunch of green lantern stuff for sale. i do want to try get into some dc stuff but apprehensive about buying shit willy nilly
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« Reply #3341 on: January 20, 2015, 08:09:16 AM »
Speaking of old X books, I went back and re-read a lot of the Uncanny X-Men books, starting from where I last left off in 2005 (before resuming again in 2009 or 2010) and...couldn't really get through most of it.  I skipped the space stuff with Vulcan which led into the storyline of the X-Men going to San Francisco and starting up a haven for all mutants.  Most of the stories were pretty boring or bad, and the art -from Greg Land- was vomit-inducing.  I did like it when Terry Dodson stepped in instead and also enjoyed the X-Club's antics.  Time traveling Beast and friends should have been a series of its own.

got around to reading final crisis, my first dc event/story and really enjoyed it especially all the meta superman stuff. any other stories in a similar vein? and how's x-factor?

which era of xfactor? theres 4 distinct series. the first had the original xmen as the lineup, the second had the government run team(one of my favorite lineups ever. havok with the GOAT costume) the third and most popular is the dectective agency run with jamie madrox as the lead character, and the current soon to be ending run that has polaris as the leader of a corporate run super team

I thought Gambit was the leader?  But I dunno; I dropped that book quick.
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« Reply #3342 on: January 20, 2015, 12:44:01 PM »
Around 2004-2006 in Uncanny X-Men was really weird. Chris Claremont came back for his third run on the book, and while it obviously wasn't as good as his original run, it was a LOT better than his 2000 Revolution attempts. It did have one of my favourite storylines, "End of Greys" with art by god-tier X-Artist Chris Bachalo. If you haven't read that one, you really should.

Brubaker took over in 2006-ish with a massive 12 issue space-arc that led off from the X-Men: Deadly Genesis miniseries. I hated reading it while it came out, but I re-read the whole saga and it's pretty fun. It leads into the X-Men space team featuring Havok, Rachel Grey and Polaris and they crossover with the big cosmic Marvel space stories like War of Kings.

After Brubaker, Fraction took over and his run was a clusterfuck. Really just disastrous. It wasn't until Kieron Gillen took over and the book was relaunched after Schism that it was readable again.

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« Reply #3343 on: January 20, 2015, 12:45:48 PM »
Speaking of old X books, I went back and re-read a lot of the Uncanny X-Men books, starting from where I last left off in 2005 (before resuming again in 2009 or 2010) and...couldn't really get through most of it.  I skipped the space stuff with Vulcan which led into the storyline of the X-Men going to San Francisco and starting up a haven for all mutants.  Most of the stories were pretty boring or bad, and the art -from Greg Land- was vomit-inducing.  I did like it when Terry Dodson stepped in instead and also enjoyed the X-Club's antics.  Time traveling Beast and friends should have been a series of its own.

got around to reading final crisis, my first dc event/story and really enjoyed it especially all the meta superman stuff. any other stories in a similar vein? and how's x-factor?

which era of xfactor? theres 4 distinct series. the first had the original xmen as the lineup, the second had the government run team(one of my favorite lineups ever. havok with the GOAT costume) the third and most popular is the dectective agency run with jamie madrox as the lead character, and the current soon to be ending run that has polaris as the leader of a corporate run super team

I thought Gambit was the leader?  But I dunno; I dropped that book quick.

naw, he was the first person she recruited and the main character of the series for the most part. the love triangle between cypher, warlock and danger was pretty funny, and we see pietro as something other than a douche, and its kinda refreshing

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« Reply #3344 on: January 20, 2015, 01:02:02 PM »

After Brubaker, Fraction took over and his run was a clusterfuck. Really just disastrous. It wasn't until Kieron Gillen took over and the book was relaunched after Schism that it was readable again.

Yeah, it's the Fraction run that I was just not liking.  Some of the later pre-schism stuff was all right, though, after Marvel did the whole "Heroic Age" thing.

Never realized how much stuff with Psylocke was just "let's fuck with this character!" too.   :lol  Was never a fan of the weird UK Captain Britain/Roma/Jamie stuff with her that Claremont liked to do either.
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« Reply #3345 on: January 20, 2015, 01:24:27 PM »
Marvel UK is such garbage. Chris Claremont is obsessed with it. The original X-Calibur was pretty great, but New X-Calibur and everything related to Captain Britain was hilariously bad. Pete Wisdom  :lol Faiza Hussein  :lol Roma  :lol The X-men saving the Queen  :lol

Yeah and about that Black Panther/Namor stuff
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Namor did Wakanda dirty, but honestly, he was possessed by the Phoenix so whatever. I've moved past it and so should everyone else.
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« Reply #3346 on: January 20, 2015, 02:05:15 PM »
Marvel UK is such garbage. Chris Claremont is obsessed with it. The original X-Calibur was pretty great, but New X-Calibur and everything related to Captain Britain was hilariously bad. Pete Wisdom  :lol Faiza Hussein  :lol Roma  :lol The X-men saving the Queen  :lol

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no more than the other members of the p5 and they are well aware of what they did. doesnt help that namor bragged about drowning wakanda and sending thanos and is crew there.
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« Reply #3347 on: January 20, 2015, 02:07:54 PM »
Sorry, I just hate Black Panther.  :yeshrug

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« Reply #3348 on: January 20, 2015, 02:13:46 PM »
Sorry, I just hate Black Panther.  :yeshrug

i wish people would be more honest. so many dudes have been trying to push namor as a saint

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« Reply #3349 on: January 20, 2015, 03:47:59 PM »
Marvel just had their Secret Wars press conference.

First details of this are that the 616 and Ultimate universes will be combining.  I assume this is going to lead to a reboot of sorts, but will not reset everything like the New 52 did.  It would be kind of cool if this means multiple versions of some characters, I.E. Ultimate Iron Man is now the good guy and Superior Iron Man becomes a full-fledged super villain.

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Marvel has promised "the announcement to end all announcements" at today's "Secret Wars" press conference with Marvel Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso and Senior Vice President of Publishing Tom Brevoort, as more of the May-debuting event series from Jonathan Hickman and Esad Ribic is slated to be revealed.

Marvel PR's Chris D'Lando started the event, hosted at Midtown Comics in New York City, by recapping the original "Secret Wars" announcement last fall at New York Comic Con. D'Lando asked Alonso and Brevoort how it feels to get to this point, given that Hickman's "Avengers" run has been building to the event since 2012.

"'Secret Wars' is the culmination of the storyline that Jonathan has been telling, beginning with the first issue of 'Avengers' and 'New Avengers' that he wrote," Brevoort said. "Readers have begun to get a sense of the whole picture, and seem to be becoming much more excited about it, which is great. This is something that we've been headed towards literally since the start of Marvel NOW!."

Brevoort related that the idea for "Secret Wars" actually originated before Hickman's "Avengers" run began, before everyone at Marvel saw the potential of what the story could be. "It's a lot bigger now than what was originally imagined," Brevoort said. "I've said it before, it sounds like typical Stan Lee hyperbole, but it is difficult to imagine something that would be larger in scope and scale than what we're doing in 'Secret Wars.' We've never done anything like this before, ever."

"All the divisions are in line," Alonso added. "It's the most coordinated event we've ever done. As everyone knows, we're a shared universe. Every single time we've done an event, we've always had to be mindful of 'Secret Wars.'"

Brevoort recapped the current "Avengers" storyline, "a series of intersections between universes. Situations where two parallel universes intersect at a given point." Such intersections are called "incursions" -- "two Earths go in, one comes out. Or none of them come out."

"Having become aware of this, the Black Panther reformed the Illuminati," Brevoort continued, though the group has not yet figured out how to deal with the problem.

Alonso prepared to drop the "big bomb": "The Ultimate Universe, the Marvel Universe, they're going to slap together. Imagine two pizzas: They're going to combine toppings, some toppings are going to drop off. And that is the Marvel Universe moving forward. It's more than the Marvel Universe and the Ultimate Universe, it's all the universes you can imagine. That is the Marvel Universe going forward."

The final issues of "Avengers" and "New Avengers" will build up to this incursion, but "Secret Wars" #1 will contain the main action of this event "The heroes of those two worlds will have eight hours to figure out what to do about it before both universes are destroyed," Brevoort said. "And they won't. I've ruined 'Secret Wars' #1 for you!"

The previously revealed "Battleworld" is the "melting world from which the new Marvel Universe will be fermented," Brevoort said, calling it the "detritus" from the resulted combined Marvel Universe. "Various characters will live their lives, and contend with this new situation, and set up all the building blocks and the bedrock of what the new Marvel Universe will be going forward."

"There will be conflicts and fighting," Alonso added. "Imagine that."

"Once you hit 'Secret Wars' #1, there's no Marvel Universe, there's no Ultimate Universe," Brevoort said. "It's all Battleworld." "None of these stories are What Ifs are alternate reality stories," Alonso said. "And they will have legs. They will impart new things into the Marvel Universe going forward."

All of the previously revealed Battleworld teasers represent parts of the new Marvel Universe, and are described as only the "tip of the iceberg." Several "Secret Wars"-related announcements are planned over the next two weeks.

"If you're an 'Amazing Spider-Man' reader, this is going to be your book," Alonso said, pointing to the teaser of a married Peter Parker and Mary Jane with a child.

The presentation that cut to the previously released "Battleworld" teaser video, showing the series of teaser images combining into the new Battleworld landscape. "We haven't even announced half the titles," D'Lando said of the "Secret Wars" tie-ins. An interactive map of Battleworld will be released later today on Marvel.com.

Talk turns to the "Secret Wars" Free Comic Book Day release. "It's a little bit of a primer," Brevoort said. "You'll get caught up to speed where everything is in the Marvel Universe and the Ultimate Universe going into 'Secret Wars.'" Also, the issue will include the Marvel/Attack on Titan crossover, previously only published in Japan.

The cover to "Secret Wars" #2, illustrated by Alex Ross, is revealed. "There's a whole lot of Thor going on," Brevoort said of the image.

"Secret Wars" #2 will also ship in May. "In sort of an odd twist, the second issue is the fat one. It's a gargantuan, oversized issue. It will give a full guided tour of the new Battleworld, and set up everything you need to know. Esad Ribic just turned in the last pages for it earlier today. Stunningly beautiful work by Esad."

Speaking of the legacy of the story, Alonso said, "This is putting an endcap to decades of stories, and starting a new era. When you see the scope of the stories, you'll see what we're willing to do. If we wanted to resurrect Gwen Stacy, this would be the place to do it, wouldn't it? If you ever wondered what would happen if you take the 'Age of Ultron' universe and perch it next to the 'Marvel Zombies' universe, this would be the place to do it." Alonso said he thinks "Secret Wars" will be a great jumping-on point for new fans.

Hasbro, Mighty Fine, Mad Engine, Funko and Hot Wheels are named as licensors working on "Secret Wars" merchandise. Marvel's game division is also at work on interactive tie-ins.

"We tell our own stories," Alonso said, of the belief that Marvel publishing follows the lead of Marvel Studios. "You'll be shocked at the chances we're willing to take."

The live stream has frozen, but here's a quote from Brevoort via Marvel's Twitter account:

Doesn't look like the stream is starting again, but according to Marvel, the presentation has ended. CBR's Brett White is on-site for the post-event Q&A, and will have a full report soon. Keep reading CBR for much more coverage on "Secret Wars"!
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Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
« Reply #3350 on: January 20, 2015, 03:52:17 PM »
nothing new the press conference.

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« Reply #3351 on: January 20, 2015, 03:59:18 PM »
Hope my precious Ultimate X-Men survive. I think I was the only one reading Wood's Ultimate X-Men run and it was really fucking good.

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« Reply #3352 on: January 20, 2015, 04:08:06 PM »
Hope my precious Ultimate X-Men survive. I think I was the only one reading Wood's Ultimate X-Men run and it was really fucking good.

luckily for the ultimate universe, there are so few characters they call all go to 616 without any issues

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« Reply #3353 on: January 20, 2015, 04:13:58 PM »
Watch them do the "ultimate" FUCK YOU to Fox and send the Fantastic Four and X-Men off to the Ultimate universe, completely away from the rest of 616 at the end of this.

I have to wonder though...does most of the movie-going population even give a shit about silly comic books?  Seems doubtful.
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« Reply #3354 on: January 20, 2015, 04:24:20 PM »
I don't know. Ultimate X-Men focused on Kitty Pryde, Jean Grey, Rogue, Storm, Iceman with some minor roles for Psylocke and Warpath. Those are all pretty well known in the main universe. The only unique Ultimate X-Men character was Mach 2, who was basically a teenage girl version of Magneto and Jimmy Hudson who is the teenage son of Wolverine.

As much as I wish all of them could come over and just continue their adventures in 616, their storyline was so intertwined with the fucked up Ultimate world (mutants were genetic experiments, Jean Grey as some cult-leader on a floating island called Tian, Kitty Pryde leading a mutant reservation in Utah, etc.) that they couldn't exist in a normal X-Men world.

The more I think about it, the more it seems like they're going to go down with the ship. RIP my babies.

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« Reply #3355 on: January 20, 2015, 04:33:10 PM »
Watch them do the "ultimate" FUCK YOU to Fox and send the Fantastic Four and X-Men off to the Ultimate universe, completely away from the rest of 616 at the end of this.

I have to wonder though...does most of the movie-going population even give a shit about silly comic books?  Seems doubtful.

with ult reed being a part of secret wars, and the xmen 92 plot in battleworld, i doubt that was ever an idea

and no, movie goers dont.

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« Reply #3356 on: January 21, 2015, 03:26:35 PM »
The Marvel Battleworld interactive map is up. It's like 90% unfinished and I'm still not sure what the hell it's supposed to be  :-\ http://marvel.com/comics/events/323/secret_wars_2015

Earth 1610 (Ultimate Universe) gets it's own little space in Manhattan. There's hope yet for my babies.

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« Reply #3357 on: January 21, 2015, 03:59:54 PM »
theyve survived being crippled before. and everyone counted them out during the hunger event. maybe they'll pull a rudy and survive this somehow. or they could end up like the ultraverse

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« Reply #3358 on: January 21, 2015, 04:44:11 PM »
Today's Magneto and All New X-Men were great. Magneto is surprisingly one of the best current Marvel series.

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« Reply #3359 on: January 22, 2015, 08:20:30 AM »
Started reading the Godhead mini-series that ran in the Lantern books.  Basically The Green Lantern Corps & Friends versus The New Gods.  I'm not that familiar with the latter (never cared about them) but this has been a fun read so far.  The Lanterns are getting totally fucked up by the God crew.

In Earth 2, guess who died again?  :lol 
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Superman!  He sacrificed himself to free a trapped demon (on the good guys' side) and shut down the factories making para-demons all over the planet. 
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Also in what is perhaps a comic book milestone, Powergirl finally covered up her boob window with a Superman "S" symbol.   :o

And over in Spider-Verse, things are finally beginning to come to an end. 
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