Official *Consoles Are For Losers* thread

[Phoenix Dark]

Gamestops would change their name to Space World, effectively becoming the Apple Store for Nintendo

[BlueTsunami]

I don't understand why they're being so aggressive with wanting to strangle the second hand market. They've already got an ingenious way to make some money back from used games (game codes!) and the transition to DD will work in their favor and over time they could probably limit physical releases to force people to DD. By employing this supposed sudden anti-used method they'll just foster ill will from consumers and hurt the brand even more.

[Cormacaroni]

Gamestop jumping straight to the nuclear option, I see. Would rather go out in a self-inflicted blaze of glory than slowly fade away?

[Madrun Badrun]

I can see the no-used-games thing being an incredibly bad arms-race in order to woo 3rd parties.

[maxy]

[cool breeze]

Maybe these companies will try out digital game rentals.  maybe it'd be something like: $19 to play it for a week, if the person wants to keep it, drop some more cash.  I know Steam and PSN both support timed ownership through free weekends and playstation plus subscriptions.  But that still screws gamefly.

I'm not exactly sure how the used game business operates.  My understanding is that people buy games, play them for a week or two, trade them in, buy next game with that money, and repeat.  And/or buy used games at ~$10 cheaper, with smaller loss between cost and resale value.

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nvm next gen is gonna rock

[Eel O'Brian]

I encourage Microsoft/Sony to have anti-used game measures in their next consoles, and I personally can't wait for the day when everything is sold digitally and isn't available in physical form.

As someone who pays full price for their games new and doesn't buy used (in an effort to support the industry that I love), I feel like those that buy used games are just lining the pockets of middle men like GameStop rather than directly supporting the developers of games they get much enjoyment out of.

It's for this reason that many developers can't take financial risks and we are left with derivative and stale products that are recycled in a yearly fashion. Single player games are now quickly becoming a thing of the past, and it's unfortunate because I'm not much of a multiplayer gamer.

The industry simply isn't healthy as a result, and measures taken to protect publishers' content from a huge industry that they don't directly benefit from are absolutely welcome, IMHO.

[Eel O'Brian]

Gaming industry is a business, not charity. And with rising development costs and a growing presence of the used game market eating up an increasingly smaller share of profits (or lack thereof) the gaming BUSINESS will do everything in its power to adapt, even if it means cutting off the middle man at its source.

And that's exactly what we're hearing about with these rumors. And I'm fine with that.

If you want to boycott an entire system just because developers are taking a stand against a parasitic presence in the industry, by all means be as petty as you want to.

Me? I'll just continue to enjoy games, and hope that with these added measures that a more financially stable industry will provide for better gaming experiences to the end user.

[Trent Dole]

I hope you're just quoting random neo dumbshits and aren't actually this distinguished mentally-challenged. Goddamn.

[Momo]

Sony/MS/Nintendo should have their collective dick sucked by us mere dirty commoners at all times IMHO

[Smooth Groove]

I was wondering why Feelbad turned into Bebpo. 

[Himu]

No he's an alien from the planet Bebpopia, duh.

[Momo]

[Damian79]

So instead of companies finding a way of getting money from used games, companies should get rid of used games all together.  What the fucking fuck.

[Eel O'Brian]

 

i just get a kick out of those kinds of douchey palms-out "hey guy, i'm the reasonable one here" posts

[Eel O'Brian]

Used games are a threat to my beloved hobby and need to die soon.

Gamestop have been biting the hand that feeds them for two long now.
Hiding new games in their stores where you canīt find them or selling used games as new (happened to me twice).

Down with Gamestop and used games. Long live video games.

Itīs happening and we should get used to it.

[Eel O'Brian]

Wrong. Publishers and devs will make money on every game sale. Regardless the price.

Trade ins make gamestop rich.

I donīt get why everybody here seems to be a lobbyist for Gamestop and no one cares about devs.

Walking into a Gamestop and seeing a huge pile of (good) used games from devs that were recently shut down kills me.

Or devs that used to make awesome big budget games now making iOS games.

The iOS ecosystem is healthy.

Everybody seems to love steam ( as do I ), where is the difference?

[Brehvolution]

The X-Box 3 is going to have an 8-core 64-bit processor (assumedly an i7 or similar design) rated at 1.2 Teraflops. The PS4 will feature a 4-core 32-bit processor. XB3 will be using a GPU running support for DirectX 11, while the PS4 will be using an OpenGL 4 GPU. XB3 is specified to use 4 GB RAM, and the PS4 will be shipped with 2GB.

Another generation of sub par/sub HD ports for Sony confirmed.

[Momo]

1.2 Teraflops isnt much by modern computing standards.

Also
http://www.hpcwire.com/hpcwire/2012-02-14/japanese_university_boots_up_800-teraflop_gpu_supercomputer.html

[Tasty]

The X-Box 3 is going to have an 8-core 64-bit processor (assumedly an i7 or similar design) rated at 1.2 Teraflops. The PS4 will feature a 4-core 32-bit processor. XB3 will be using a GPU running support for DirectX 11, while the PS4 will be using an OpenGL 4 GPU. XB3 is specified to use 4 GB RAM, and the PS4 will be shipped with 2GB.

Another generation of sub par/sub HD ports for Sony confirmed.

That actually makes me happy, Wii U should have around 2 GB of RAM. Maybe 3 but that might be getting too hopeful.

Of course, games probably won't look like they have that much to play with due to the controller. But still.

[Cascade]

The X-Box 3 is going to have an 8-core 64-bit processor (assumedly an i7 or similar design) rated at 1.2 Teraflops. The PS4 will feature a 4-core 32-bit processor. XB3 will be using a GPU running support for DirectX 11, while the PS4 will be using an OpenGL 4 GPU. XB3 is specified to use 4 GB RAM, and the PS4 will be shipped with 2GB.

Another generation of sub par/sub HD ports for Sony confirmed.

That actually makes me happy, Wii U should have around 2 GB of RAM. Maybe 3 but that might be getting too hopeful.

Of course, games probably won't look like they have that much to play with due to the controller. But still.

You'll be lucky to get 1. Stop drinking the Acebandage coolaid.

[Tasty]

Eh, it'll have at least 1. Thinking about it, I believe 1.5 GB is the most likely, but who knows eh?

It's still closer to 4 GB than the Wii was to 360 (96 MB vs 512 MB.) Edit- Actually Wii had 88 MB.

[MoxManiac]

Wrong. Publishers and devs will make money on every game sale. Regardless the price.

Trade ins make gamestop rich.

I donīt get why everybody here seems to be a lobbyist for Gamestop and no one cares about devs.

Walking into a Gamestop and seeing a huge pile of (good) used games from devs that were recently shut down kills me.

Or devs that used to make awesome big budget games now making iOS games.

The iOS ecosystem is healthy.

Everybody seems to love steam ( as do I ), where is the difference?

I don't care about gamestop, but I do care about my rights as a consumer. And I will not hand those rights over to Sony/MS because of crybaby devs unwilling to adapt to the market.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

he syas before he buys 100 games next generation with anus wide open to MS's continual dick pounding of the consumers

[Trent Dole]

On the fucking real - Anti-used consumers are worse than N-fans.

[Eel O'Brian]

all i'll be able to think about now when i walk into a gamestop is that one of the people making those kinds of posts might be in that very store with me, going through some clammy-handed self-loathing about shopping there while they fork over the dough for some obscure exclusive nds jrpg they can't get anywhere else

and i will totally chuckle every time and be known to the register people as that weird dude who always laughs to himself for no reason

[Great Rumbler]

No used games on steam, no used games on ios. And no one gives a shit.

Those are also entirely digital.

[Stoney Mason]

I don't care about gamestop, but I do care about my rights as a consumer. And I will not hand those rights over to Sony/MS because of crybaby devs unwilling to adapt to the market.

This.

Whenever somebody starts going off about Gamestop, I become very Republican which is about the only time I do become Republican. Fucking Gamestop doesn't mean I want to get fucked too. I want to postpone losing my rights as long as possible.

It's inevitable that such a system will eventually come to consoles or whatever we play on in the future. I'm not naive. It also doesn't mean I'm going to cheerlead it or not resent it when it comes.

[Verdigris Murder]

I think this gnashing of teeth about no more used games (without a tasty fee) is more to do with imposing something with no proper rational recourse apart from not buying nextgen consoles.

Personally I'm relishing MS going arse over tit with their next console, everything about it sounds huge warning bells for me.

As long as PC is catered for regarding marquee games, and Vita gets a decent roster I'll be more than happy. iOS will continue to go from strength to strength, no idea/don't really care about Nintendo anymore.

[Verdigris Murder]

I should really have bullet pointed those personal fact-rockets to give them more gravitas and intensity.

[Stoney Mason]

I like used games for lots of reasons.

1.) I can gamefly stuff or rent stuff.
2.) I can at any time go to a store or look online and buy something I want for a relatively cheap used price. That's for every game. I don't have to wait for a steam sale or some other kind of sale. I can get it whenever I want.
3.) I can pass down games or consoles to younger family members who can't afford games and such.
4.) It's my fucking right to buy a tangible product and sell that tangible product. I'm not keen on losing rights for physical products.

I also like digital products. I own plenty off ios games and pc games bought through digital distribution along with plenty of XBLA games.

I like both systems.

My main issue is losing rights I currently have along with this illusion that exists that selling console games with these codes will suddenly fill the revenue gap that exists with consoles. The revenue gap exists because of facebook, social games, ipad, and iphones, etc  I'm betting that implementing such a system will not lead to the increased revenue these people think it will.

[Flannel Boy]

4.) It's my fucking right to buy a tangible product and sell that tangible product. I'm not keen on losing rights for physical products.

You're still free to sell it, but the buyer won't be free to play it!

[Eel O'Brian]

a couple of years from now, all the "why aren't games selling anymore?" threads which theorize and blame everything but this stupid shit are gonna be awesome

i wish i were a young troll again, i'd be having the time of my life

[Eel O'Brian]

i think my favorite thing about this rumor is the "you'll still be able to sell/loan the game!" defense, because i think there's a good chance that unlock system will get an even worse reaction than blocking used games altogether

"mom, i need $10* so i can pay sony/ms to borrow my friend's game"

"mom, i can't play this game you just paid $40 for until we give sony/ms $10*"

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*i'm being kind here, i fully expect it to be $20

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[Cerveza mas fina]

Its gonna happen.

Why do you think companies care what little kids think and their moms? Nintendo maybe yes. The rest? Nope.

Also the WiiU thread on gaf is a fucking goldmine full of idiots.

[Tasty]

Its gonna happen.

Why do you think companies care what little kids think and their moms? Nintendo maybe yes. The rest? Nope.

Also the WiiU thread on gaf is a fucking goldmine full of idiots.

Why do you think I un-subbed from it.

[Cormacaroni]

Has Gaben talked any more about plans for trading games on Steam or whatever? They seem aware that it is something lots of people would use.

From a standpoint of economics, all those game keys that just sit in someone's steam account represent dead money. Getting it moving will generate value for the whole Steam economy. Part of the reason why I wait for Steam sales is that I know the games have zero resell value, but who knows, I might be prepared to get in earlier & at a higher price if I know I can just trade it later to my homies on the Bore for something decent.

Whether or not I ever actually do trade a Steam game is largely irrelevant; I mean, I never play the ones I own anyway. It's just the perceived theoretical value that keeps me coming back.

[Eel O'Brian]

Why do you think companies care what little kids think and their moms?

i think they're gonna find out how important those moms are

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I can't wait to see what anti-consumer punitive measures we'll see on the new consoles at E3 this year

[Eel O'Brian]

Has Gaben talked any more about plans for trading games on Steam or whatever? They seem aware that it is something lots of people would use.

From a standpoint of economics, all those game keys that just sit in someone's steam account represent dead money. Getting it moving will generate value for the whole Steam economy. Part of the reason why I wait for Steam sales is that I know the games have zero resell value, but who knows, I might be prepared to get in earlier & at a higher price if I know I can just trade it later to my homies on the Bore for something decent.

Whether or not I ever actually do trade a Steam game is largely irrelevant; I mean, I never play the ones I own anyway. It's just the perceived theoretical value that keeps me coming back.

  brutal truth 

[Eel O'Brian]

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3ojgzs/

[Cerveza mas fina]

Its gonna happen.

Why do you think companies care what little kids think and their moms? Nintendo maybe yes. The rest? Nope.

Also the WiiU thread on gaf is a fucking goldmine full of idiots.

this just demonstrates your utter ignorance of, at the very least, the north american market. 

this is going to put the finishing blow on the japanese home console market too.  the entire games industry runs on flipping games here.

No need to get aggressive sanshiro. You think me a fool.

I think everything will turn out fine somehow.

I love having the right to sell stuff I own, including games btw.

Has Gaben talked any more about plans for trading games on Steam or whatever? They seem aware that it is something lots of people would use.

From a standpoint of economics, all those game keys that just sit in someone's steam account represent dead money. Getting it moving will generate value for the whole Steam economy. Part of the reason why I wait for Steam sales is that I know the games have zero resell value, but who knows, I might be prepared to get in earlier & at a higher price if I know I can just trade it later to my homies on the Bore for something decent.

Whether or not I ever actually do trade a Steam game is largely irrelevant; I mean, I never play the ones I own anyway. It's just the perceived theoretical value that keeps me coming back.

  brutal truth 

On Steam reselling games could actually work for the publisher too, if they get a cut.

[archnemesis]

Green Man Gaming already offer the trade-in of digital games and it doesn't seem like it's a feature most people care about. When customers are willing to pay more for the same product on Steam there is little incentive for them to add the feature.

The only way I could see these anti-consumer measures to stick, is if all three manufacturers implement it together at the same time. If only one system have it, there is no way it's going to sell well.

[Cerveza mas fina]

there is ALWAYS a need to get aggressive, you sopping little mary

god i hate what pussies you all are, let's have a fist fight with a goddam wall and then go roll in some glass already

Ill slap you with my penis for 5 damage dude

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+15 dmg over time poison

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[EmCeeGrammar]

Hopefully Nintendo's obliviousness will sidestep these hypothetical measures next gen .  But word is they are spending a lot of time talking to EA 

[Big Barry Jazz]

uh sir i believe your penis is classified as a 'maul' and thus does 2d6 damage

It's clearly a mace. The flanged tip and the way he holds it with only one hand are a dead giveaway.

[Phoenix Dark]

Gaming industry is a business, not charity. And with rising development costs and a growing presence of the used game market eating up an increasingly smaller share of profits (or lack thereof) the gaming BUSINESS will do everything in its power to adapt, even if it means cutting off the middle man at its source.

And that's exactly what we're hearing about with these rumors. And I'm fine with that.

If you want to boycott an entire system just because developers are taking a stand against a parasitic presence in the industry, by all means be as petty as you want to.

Me? I'll just continue to enjoy games, and hope that with these added measures that a more financially stable industry will provide for better gaming experiences to the end user.

[Eel O'Brian]

Specifically with gaming, don't bitch and moan about dlc and online passes when there are people in the world that would kill to live in a situation where an online pass is your largest problem in life.

Whiny bitches.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Specifically with gaming, don't bitch and moan about dlc and online passes when there are people in the world that would kill to live in a situation where an online pass is your largest problem in life.

Whiny bitches.

Has anyone there posted that they are too much of a fucking baller to worry about the petty costs of online passes or DLC?

[archie4208]

If you like a developer's games, you should buy them at full price. Developers are dropping like flies this gen, they need the consumer's, especially the hardcore gamer's, support. Too many people are buying too few types of games, or only buy games that have a 90+ metacritic.

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I just wanted to be cool and fit in.  :'(

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[Eel O'Brian]

Specifically with gaming, don't bitch and moan about dlc and online passes when there are people in the world that would kill to live in a situation where an online pass is your largest problem in life.

Whiny bitches.

Has anyone there posted that they are too much of a fucking baller to worry about the petty costs of online passes or DLC?

not in the thread i snatched that quote from, but i'm sure several hi-dolla rollahs have expressed that sentiment at one time or another

will post if i find them

[Groogrux]

Since I took the time to read through the last few pages, I'm going to weigh-in on this one.

1) As a current Gamestop employee that loves getting paid money, I think this whole thing is a bad idea.

2) As a current Gamestop employee that only gets paid minimum-wage (like most), has to fight for hours, gets bitched at for not meeting unrealistic goals of getting people to reserve games and subscribe to their magazine, hates having to hassle customers about reserving games and buying magazines, doesn't get any incentive for meeting those goals, and generally feels like they are compromising a lot of their personal morals and values by working for this company, I THINK IT IS AN AWESOME IDEA.

3) Speaking from an economical point of view, "cutting out the middle-man" is going to put a lot of people out of jobs (granted most of them will be teenagers) across the globe so that a few developers can line their pockets a little more.  Let's not pretend that this is going to create more jobs in the gaming industry.  Economically speaking, this is a bad idea.

4) It is entirely possible that this could be a good thing for the U.S. at least.  The gaming industry taking a dive would be helpful in combating the obesity epidemic that we're seeing here.  I realize that this is largely a gaming forum, so I may be talking to the wrong crowd, but would it really be that bad for a few of us fatties to see a little more sunlight every now and then?

[Eel O'Brian]

a lot of messageboard folks say that, and i believe it because i don't buy very many used games either, but i bet most normal folks like myself do sell off their unwanted or finished games from time to time to fund new purchases, and if games you were trading or selling on ebay/craigslist/amazon drop in value from say $30 to $15 you would still find yourself affected and your future new game purchases would be affected as well

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I bought a lot of used games when I was a broke ass high school and college student.

I don't buy many today because the $10-15 I usually save when buying a used game often isn't worth whatever hassle it takes to get them, peeling off the stickers, etc.

I cancelled my Gamefly subscription over a year ago because my gaming habits are too erratic to continue to spend money on their service.

I assume a lot of people buy used games otherwise Gamestop wouldn't be in every strip mall out there in the US.

[Himu]

this is your just reward for buying every single game shop under the sun and then enforcing stupid shitty policies like not allowing ANY games a few generations older. thanks a lot for literally KILLING the collector scene, assfucks.

[Stoney Mason]

I have no fixation or tie for new games at $60. I do buy my share but its mainly the big ones or the ones I know I'm absolutely going to like and offer extended length. The Battlefields, The Cods, the mass effects 3.


The reality is I'm not going to spend $60 on a new game that's like 8 hours or something and has no multiplayer. That's not to say I can't enjoy that experience or game a great deal but I'm not going to spend $60 on it. Skyrim, GTA, multiplayer games that I spends hundreds of hours, even something like Batman, or Darksiders which offer maybe a dozen hours but high polish or replayability.

This what is really going on. There is still a large market of gamers who have no problem paying $60 for games. What has utterly changed is what the masses consider a value proposition for those sixty bucks. And the reality is a small number of games hit that barrier. The console market is still struggling to come to grips with this. The only real effective solution they've created is xbox live arcade/psn but there are a ton of games in the middle that are being squeezed out. That's another area where the missing income is. I think I'm a fairly typical mainstream gamer in the sense that I tend to pay to play the big stuff or good value for money XBLA games.

This is where used games come in. Games that are in that middle ground where I end up buying them. But I personally have no stigma against used games. I like to save money on games. Nor do I hold on to my games forever. I either sell them or give them away.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I have no fixation or tie for new games at $60. I do buy my share but its mainly the big ones or the ones I know I'm absolutely going to like and offer extended length. The Battlefields, The Cods, the mass effects 3.


The reality is I'm not going to spend $60 on a new game that's like 8 hours or something and has no multiplayer. That's not to say I can't enjoy that experience or game a great deal but I'm not going to spend $60 on it. Skyrim, GTA, multiplayer games that I spends hundreds of hours, even something like Batman, or Darksiders which offer maybe a dozen hours but high polish or replayability.

This what is really going on. There is still a large market of gamers who have no problem paying $60 for games. What has utterly changed is what the masses consider a value proposition for those sixty bucks. And the reality is a small number of games hit that barrier. The console market is still struggling to come to grips with this. The only real effective solution they've created is xbox live arcade/psn but there are a ton of games in the middle that are being squeezed out. That's another area where the missing income is. I think I'm a fairly typical mainstream gamer in the sense that I tend to play the big stuff or good value for money XBLA games.

My personal rule to keep gaming expenditures low is to have a $1 an hour of content/gameplay rule.  If I buy a $60 game, it is with the understanding that I will play this game for at least 60 hours.

[Himu]

RE: Gamestop bitching

I say this is good news. Gamestop bought all the competition. It is now the only place you can buy games in store. Sure, you can go to wal mart or something, but to buy the games *I* like I have to go to gamestop, which is why I get my games from amazon now instead.

Someone smart should invest and make a new kind of game shop for modern times.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I say this is good news. Gamestop bought all the competition. It is now the only place you can buy games in store. Sure, you can go to wal mart or something, but to buy the games *I* like I have to go to gamestop, which is why I get my games from amazon now instead.

Someone smart should invest and make a new kind of game shop for modern times.

You just described it, bro.

[Himu]

I find the $1 per hour rule to be unfair. I use a quality rule. Most games I buy for full price, I am jizzing from my eyepores. Why? Because I know what I like, and I risk very little.

For example, I bought Portal 2 for full price, and I think it was worth it. Sure, I haven't exactly spent the 60 hours or so in terms of monetary value (1 buck per hour), but it was such a high quality game that I find paying a premium was justified in a way.