Author Topic: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster (Read 1457158 times)

Tripon · « **Reply #5700 on:** April 01, 2019, 04:03:50 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on April 01, 2019, 03:59:52 PM

And they're not pleased so they're just writing their own options on the ballots.

https://twitter.com/DavidTCDavies/status/1112797607682822145

What is a WTO Brexit? World Trade Organization?

Raist · « **Reply #5701 on:** April 01, 2019, 04:05:01 PM »

It basically is no-deal.

But since that one lost by like 400 to 150 last week, they're trying to pretend it's different.

Occam · « **Reply #5702 on:** April 01, 2019, 04:33:01 PM »

Quote from: shosta on April 01, 2019, 04:18:08 PM

Can someone explain to me how staying in the customs union without freedom of movement will be possible; if you can get all the benefits of free trade without opening your borders, why should any country stay in the EU? And if it's not possible, what's the point?

It's not possible. You need to understand that these people are very very stupid.

Raist · « **Reply #5703 on:** April 01, 2019, 05:11:11 PM »

Indicative votes results:

kingv · « **Reply #5704 on:** April 01, 2019, 05:12:03 PM »

It’s like fantasy Brexit.

They should just put some deal on the table to vote for that’s not actually one of the possible deals but is really really good.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #5705 on:** April 01, 2019, 05:14:46 PM »

Quote from: shosta on April 01, 2019, 04:18:08 PM

Can someone explain to me how staying in the customs union without freedom of movement will be possible; if you can get all the benefits of free trade without opening your borders, why should any country stay in the EU? And if it's not possible, what's the point?

Most countries actually want free movement of people becauae they are not dumb

Raist · « **Reply #5706 on:** April 01, 2019, 05:31:04 PM »

https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1112828931818881025

Tripon · « **Reply #5707 on:** April 01, 2019, 05:34:30 PM »

https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1112827512264876033

Bloomberg getting the Brexit account is some late stage capitalism.

Nintex · « **Reply #5708 on:** April 01, 2019, 05:59:45 PM »

These motions are also entirely pointless because most of these proposals would be rejected by the EU anyway.

Also, if you think Labour is anything more organized than the conservatives
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1112829389731979264

And that actually lost them the vote

https://twitter.com/jr33rpm/status/1112826522988154885

kingv · « **Reply #5709 on:** April 01, 2019, 06:48:41 PM »

“Look we do the common market 2.0. We still pay the EU dues, and we don’t get to vote on EU policies, but were free from the tyranny of red passports.”

Nintex · « **Reply #5710 on:** April 01, 2019, 07:10:29 PM »

"Maybe if we make it look like a television drama it would seem less of a shit show

"

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1112810120621129728

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1112815884085555200

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1112822107421925376

Raist · « **Reply #5711 on:** April 02, 2019, 12:18:12 AM »

Summary of the HoC taking back control

spoiler (click to show/hide)

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Raist · « **Reply #5712 on:** April 02, 2019, 12:20:11 PM »

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1113101530276790272

Raist · « **Reply #5713 on:** April 02, 2019, 01:12:25 PM »

Statement from Theresa May.

"I am taking action to break the deadlock."

Meaning, she publicly offered to sit down with Corbyn to try and come up with something together.

Nintex · « **Reply #5714 on:** April 02, 2019, 01:33:46 PM »

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1113127126419505152

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1113129409639342080

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1113128182322954240

Rufus · « **Reply #5715 on:** April 02, 2019, 01:39:05 PM »

Last ditch effort to have someone else hold the bag for their own mess. Good show.

Nintex · « **Reply #5716 on:** April 02, 2019, 01:58:19 PM »

Now the conservatives are angry, the government supporters are angry and Labous is angry.

Plus:
https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1113134384910143488

Corbyn probably wants to push for a new general election like he has before.
And even if May and Corbyn agree, it is unlikely their parties will as the big issue is that there is no consensus in both parties let alone between the two parties.

And we're off!

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1113141894941376515

Nintex · « **Reply #5717 on:** April 02, 2019, 04:44:39 PM »

Theresa May starts the negotiation with 6 knifes in her back and 2 bullets in her knees as Boris launches his bid for PM.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1113166143873847296

Her cabinet is against her too

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1113153249253711872

Nintex · « **Reply #5718 on:** April 02, 2019, 06:10:44 PM »

May is toast

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1113188388750864384

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1113184348713496576

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #5719 on:** April 02, 2019, 07:40:56 PM »

The lack of leadership from the Queen is really disappointing.

kingv · « **Reply #5720 on:** April 02, 2019, 08:06:28 PM »

Go off queen.

Kunai With Chain · « **Reply #5721 on:** April 02, 2019, 09:49:51 PM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47754193

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Canada's prime minister has kicked two MPs from his party's caucus after they accused him of meddling in a criminal case involving an influential company.

How has he handled this whole fiasco so poorly only couple of months from elections? It's gonna be a doozy when the conservatives stroll through the next parliament, because I don't think this will blow over in time.

Raist · « **Reply #5722 on:** April 03, 2019, 02:17:34 AM »

Leadsom with the genius plans

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1113185072037941249

Raist · « **Reply #5723 on:** April 03, 2019, 04:32:19 AM »

This is going to go well.

https://twitter.com/AliBunkallSKY/status/1113352300037398528

Raist · « **Reply #5724 on:** April 03, 2019, 04:57:18 AM »

It's a mix of the usual right-leaning tabloid trashing him, but also some of his positions aren't particularly popular with his own voter base.

He wasn't exactly subtle about not giving a shit about Remain, while labour voters were in favour of it (something like 65% IIRC).

Raist · « **Reply #5725 on:** April 03, 2019, 05:25:31 AM »

And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust

https://twitter.com/nadams/status/1113359638769164289

Raist · « **Reply #5726 on:** April 03, 2019, 05:36:58 AM »

I was bored (

).

Oooooh, let's go

May walks warily down the street
With the brim pulled way down low
Ain't no sound but the sound of Brexit,
Ministers ready to go

Are you ready, May, are you ready for this?
Are you hanging on the edge of your seat?
Out of the doorway of Downing Street
To the sound of Brexit

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust

May, I'm gonna resign, too
Another one bites the dust
How do you think you're going to get along
Without us when we're gone?
You took back the control that we had
We left you on y'own

Are you happy, are you satisfied?
How long can you stand the heat?
Out of the doorway of Downing Street
To the sound of Brexit

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust

May, I'm gonna resign, too
Another one bites the dust

May
Oh take it
Bite the dust
Bite the dust
May

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust oww
Another one bites the dust hey May
Another one bites the dust eh eh

Oh ministers
There are plenty of ways that you can hurt a woman
And bring her to the ground
You can diss her, you can leave her
You can treat her bad and leave her when she's down

But I'm ready, yes, we're ready for you
We're walking on our own two feet
Out of the doorway of Downing Street
Repeating to the sound of Brexit oh yeah

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
May, I'm gonna get you, too
Another one bites the dust

VomKriege · « **Reply #5727 on:** April 03, 2019, 05:55:40 AM »

Quote from: shosta on April 03, 2019, 04:42:28 AM

I need a voxsplainer on where Corbyn's unpopularity comes from. Afaict it's because of 1) some bs allegations of antisemitism, 2) bonafide socialism and 3) he's not a pigfucking jingo fascist.

I wouldn't brush off the antisemitism though it's one of those smears that the right likes to caricature. But I don't think it's a huge factor in his reputation. He was quite literally shelled by the press when first nominated and that was before any of that.

Internally the thing is that old school leftists (which he is strongly perceived as) and neo-Blairites ("centrists") have to coexist in the party because of the FPTP system I suppose, when in most other European countries some of that tension was resolved by people going to other parties or creating new ones. The "moderate" left that doesn't like him is a significant minority in the party (at MP level too) though at the same time Corbyn also triggered a clear uptick in registered members (Maybe not anymore).

As with regards to the general public I don't know exactly. I believe he was seen as indecisive or unclear & lacking charisma. As Raist pointed out, Corbyn didn't appear as a forceful leader throughout this whole debacle and the apathic ambiguity he went for during the referendum was a bit spineless.

Nintex · « **Reply #5728 on:** April 03, 2019, 02:24:02 PM »

Corbyn could've been seen as a strategic genius in retrospect for steering clear of Brexit and having May fall on her own sword thus decimating the conservative party for possibly a decade.
But that is all gone now because when she offered him a ticket for an already sinking ship, he said: "ok, where do I sit"

Raist · « **Reply #5729 on:** April 03, 2019, 04:12:29 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzcA5qV4S8U&t=37s

Raist · « **Reply #5730 on:** April 03, 2019, 04:39:52 PM »

Today keeps on giving

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019/04/03/brexit-bbc-prepares-for-dutch-move/

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The BBC is ready to move a number of its commercial channels to the Netherlands, should the outcome of current Brexit talks make it necessary.

Raist · « **Reply #5731 on:** April 03, 2019, 05:20:40 PM »

So this is the kind of dumb shit the HoC is devoting its time to vote on today:

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13 & 14 - tabled by Labour's Yvette Cooper: This is a simple re-drafting of parts of the bill
20 - tabled by Tory MP George Eustice: Limits the extension to 30 June
21 - tabled by Tory MP George Eustice: Takes out the requirement for the prime minister to put the EU’s chosen extension date to MPs
22 - tabled by Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay: Ensures that nothing in this bill rules out the government extending Article 50 in a different way
1 - tabled by Tory MP Anne Main: Limits the government to a 22 May extension
6 - tabled by Tory MP Sir Bill Cash: Ensures the extension is subject to approval by the devolved bodies
New Clause 4 - tabled by Tory MP Sir Bill Cash: Prevents amendments to standing orders during these extension motions - standing orders are the rules that govern the proceedings of Parliament
New Clause 5 - tabled by Tory MP Sir Bill Cash: Limits an extension to 22 May
New Clause 7 - tabled by Tory MP Sir Bill Cash: Ensures that an extension would not result in the UK taking part in elections to the European Parliament
New Clause 13 - tabled by Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay: Amends the EU Withdrawal Act to make it easier to change the exit date in UK law

Semantics, splitting hair, and completely ignoring what the EU has been repeating about 205 times for weeks.

Ho, and it surely doesn't help either that it takes 15-20mins per vote, cause the UK parliament still lives in the 19th century and votes are cast by shouting, and if it sort of sounds like it's split, then it takes forever for them to walk into their tiny "aye" or "no" room, then some grunts have to count heads.

Nintex · « **Reply #5732 on:** April 03, 2019, 06:54:25 PM »

Quote from: Raist on April 03, 2019, 04:39:52 PM

Today keeps on giving

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019/04/03/brexit-bbc-prepares-for-dutch-move/

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The BBC is ready to move a number of its commercial channels to the Netherlands, should the outcome of current Brexit talks make it necessary.

Awwww yisss UK businesses are moving to the Netherlands (Sony is already moving their UK operations here).

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The Dutch government has said it is in talks with more than 250 companies about moving their operations from the UK to the Netherlands before Brexit.
The economic affairs ministry said it had lured 42 companies or branch offices and 1,923 jobs from the UK last year, as it increases its efforts to gain Brexit business.
Among those who have chosen to invest in the Netherlands are the Discovery Channel, Sony and Bloomberg.

We are taking control of Europe

Raist · « **Reply #5733 on:** April 03, 2019, 06:55:07 PM »

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/police-investigating-pro-brexit-sabotage-14224917

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Police are investigating two pro-Brexit "sabotage" attempts to disrupt Britain's rail network.

Home-made short-circuit devices were found clipped to railway tracks in Cambridgeshire and Nottinghamshire last week.

It came with a note saying "Leave means leave" and threatening to "bring this country to its knees" if Britain doesn't exit the EU.

[...]

But safeguards introduced to comply with EU regulations mean the devices failed.

Raist · « **Reply #5734 on:** April 03, 2019, 07:07:05 PM »

It's also an island beyond that island.

Nintex · « **Reply #5735 on:** April 03, 2019, 07:13:36 PM »

Quote from: shosta on April 03, 2019, 07:05:19 PM

Why would the businesses go to the Netherlands instead of Ireland? It's a tax haven and English speaking.

They wan't security, safety, highly skilled workers, legal weed and prostitutes

Nintex · « **Reply #5736 on:** April 03, 2019, 07:29:04 PM »

History repeats itself

Tripon · « **Reply #5737 on:** April 03, 2019, 08:57:40 PM »

https://twitter.com/RogerHelmerMEP/status/1113578119380852737

Tripon · « **Reply #5738 on:** April 03, 2019, 09:03:56 PM »

https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1113600111035191296

Raist · « **Reply #5739 on:** April 04, 2019, 12:53:48 AM »

He should have just said "Hodor" and walked away.

Raist · « **Reply #5740 on:** April 04, 2019, 01:16:00 AM »

Mark François, one of the Brexiteers extraordinaire (with a French surname, for extra irony), was very sad that, in particular, the UK had forfeited its sovereignty to the EU.
He is now mad as fuck because of yesterday's vote

Occam · « **Reply #5741 on:** April 04, 2019, 04:32:59 AM »

Farage doesn't sound very British, either...

Rufus · « **Reply #5742 on:** April 04, 2019, 06:31:06 AM »

1066. Never forget.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #5743 on:** April 04, 2019, 08:30:02 AM »

Quote from: shosta on April 03, 2019, 08:51:12 PM

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-nuclear/u-s-approved-secret-nuclear-power-work-for-saudi-arabia-idUSKCN1R82MG

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Pompeo said the administration was working to ensure any shared technology nuclear power would not present proliferation risks.

Kunai With Chain · « **Reply #5744 on:** April 04, 2019, 10:12:04 AM »

https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1113696943581081600

A black convict's vote stopping their Brexit must be really eating them up

Nintex · « **Reply #5745 on:** April 04, 2019, 02:43:05 PM »

Imagine the humungous balls on a guy that invades a capital while the UN Secgen is visiting.

Nintex · « **Reply #5746 on:** April 04, 2019, 03:27:45 PM »

Also the 70th anniversary of NATO today.

Raist · « **Reply #5747 on:** April 04, 2019, 03:35:34 PM »

Quote from: Rufus on April 04, 2019, 06:31:06 AM

1066. Never forget.

Nope, French Huguenot. You about 500 years off the mark.

Kunai With Chain · « **Reply #5748 on:** April 04, 2019, 04:37:04 PM »

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1109567/Prince-Harry-Fortnite-meghan-markle-duke-sussex-game-ban-royal-family-latest-update

lol at this bozo. It's a good thing with this whole brexit malarkey at least some royal family members have their eyes on stuff that truly matters.

Raist · « **Reply #5749 on:** April 04, 2019, 05:27:43 PM »

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1113850176853237762

Sure, take your time bruv. It's not like it's urgent or anything

Rufus · « **Reply #5750 on:** April 04, 2019, 05:47:19 PM »

Quote from: Raist on April 04, 2019, 03:35:34 PM

Quote from: Rufus on April 04, 2019, 06:31:06 AM
1066. Never forget.

Nope, French Huguenot. You about 500 years off the mark.

Noted.

Quote from: Raist on April 04, 2019, 05:27:43 PM

https://twit ter.com/Channel4News/status/1113850176853237762

Sure, take your time bruv. It's not like it's urgent or anything

A vestige of aristocracy blabbing about tyranny.

Nintex · « **Reply #5751 on:** April 04, 2019, 06:11:25 PM »

Bercow on Dutch television
https://twitter.com/JinekLive/status/1113923229159006208

We're taking everything.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #5752 on:** April 05, 2019, 12:42:12 AM »

Quote from: Kunai With Chain on April 04, 2019, 04:37:04 PM

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1109567/Prince-Harry-Fortnite-meghan-markle-duke-sussex-game-ban-royal-family-latest-update

lol at this bozo. It's a good thing with this whole brexit malarkey at least some royal family members have their eyes on stuff that truly matters.

Lol check out this fucker born to be a prince and complaining people huff opium

Raist · « **Reply #5753 on:** April 05, 2019, 12:44:04 AM »

I bet he secretly plays Fortnite and modded his character to wear a nazi uniform.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #5754 on:** April 05, 2019, 01:24:27 AM »

When germans make nazi jokes

benjipwns · « **Reply #5755 on:** April 05, 2019, 11:49:35 AM »

BisMarckie · « **Reply #5756 on:** April 05, 2019, 12:19:31 PM »

The left has had ties to Russia for decades, what's one more party?

benjipwns · « **Reply #5757 on:** April 05, 2019, 12:22:14 PM »

I don't know why they needed a sixteen minute video when a simple Google search says that yes Russians have been inside the German parliament: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/soviet-graffiti-reichstag

BisMarckie · « **Reply #5758 on:** April 05, 2019, 12:29:07 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on April 05, 2019, 12:22:14 PM

I don't know why they needed a sixteen minute video when a simple Google search says that yes Russians have been inside the German parliament: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/soviet-graffiti-reichstag

Fact check: The building is still called Reichstag.

That was actually pretty fascinating, since I have never been there.

Nintex · « **Reply #5759 on:** April 05, 2019, 01:04:08 PM »

And now we go live to London. Where nothing has changed

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1114201054332243971

News:

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