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The very idea of Brexit was dumb. They had a lot more leverage in the EU before they said they were leaving.

Once you go “oh, I’m leaving” then the EU has less reasons to deal. A smarter U.K. would have tried to negotiate from within.

I mean, the whole thing started because David Cameron thought he could promise a vote on Brexit and then everyone would vote against it because it was a dumb idea.

It just boggle my mind that someone in the last 3 years wasn’t just like “oh wait, let’s do a referendum again and make sure knowing what we know today” or “actually this whole idea I fuckingn dumb, we’re just going to not do it.”

It also boggles my mind that as many brits support brexit as they do. Like after 3 or 4 years where it’s increasinggly clear that leaving is a dumb fucking idea, the polling is still basically evenly split. As an American it makes me feel better about our politics. At least support for Trump hovers around like 40% and a clear majority think he’s a dip shit.

My most likely prediction for Brexit is that the U.K. is trying to get back in in 5 years but doing it on the EU’s terms and adopting the Euro.

Edit: like the U.K. has the best possible Eurozone deal. Free movement of goods and services and people, but get to have their own currency. Greece or Italy or Spain would kill for that deal.

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They won't be joining again for a long time.  People know this is a bad deal and they don't care.  Also, the EU has some pretty big sovereignty issues that will continue to be visible problems.  The only way I see them going back soon is if not being in the EU starts to dissolve the UK, so if the Scots decide the EU would be better or if they hit the backstop and NI gets set on fire.
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The EU is so far removed from their own citizens it's not even funny. In The Hague we have quite a transparent and open government. You can catch up and chat with our prime minister if you happen to be up early and see him at the train station.
In Brussels even journalists have limited ways to reach out to those in power and MP's enter the building using a different entrance with a red carpet.

One comment Boris made on Brexit was right on the money.
He basically said that when he was mayor of London people could find him and call him a wanker. And he openly asked who people had to find in Brussels to call wankers.
No one knew. Some commitee has today decided that all plastic cuttlery will be banned in 2021. How and/or why that decision was made(?)

All the EU does is write new needless laws and regulations that take more control away from member states and thus from the citizens.
It's a German wet dream, virtually every product and activitiy is somehow regulated. Except illegally crossing the borders or being an EU MP.
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Some commitee has today decided that all plastic cuttlery will be banned in 2021. How and/or why that decision was made(?)


It's not that hard to find that type of information.

https://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/impact-plastic-products-on-environment-vote-debate_I162414-V_v


That was 2 months ago, not today, by the way.

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The financial world will lobby against this so it will be scrapped
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Financial services operators in the UK lose the right to provide their services in the 27 EU member states under the EU financial services passports scheme;
The rest reads as: "We'll just delay Brexit for 12 months"

Honestly, this is in ways better than the deal May got.  :lol
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Fuck yeah it is. Blue passports!

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-46640033


What a complete shitshow. Whoever's behind this is going to be made an example of.

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honestly, this terrifies me
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The measure had previously been ruled out by Sussex Police, which cited concerns over "stray bullets".
Ah, what they need is a battalion of American police!

Note: They may not bring down the drone.
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Why was there a decision to ban plastic cutlery?

Gee maybe you could use that brain of yours to figure it out ya dumb cunt

Go oppose wind energy or something equally dumb

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Has anyone actually seen a video of this so-called "drone"? Drone batteries hold a charge good for about half an hour of usage and yet this has held an airport hostage for an entire day? Police have now been authorized to use snipers? Here's a picture from the Daily Mail.



If those are police officers, why are they not uniformed?

Nothing about this is right. Wake up. It's not a drone. You're being lied to.

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It's a (or even multiple) large drone, not the kind of shit you can buy off of Amazon.

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Yeah, according to the police. Haven't you seen those horror movies where a monster rampages through the streets and the newspapers report it as a "large animal" the next day? If it's so large, how can the police not watch it land or keep an eye on it? How does that make any sense?


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So what do you suggest this was all about then?

Anyway, here's a vid.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/12/20/first-footage-drone-evading-police-helicopters-gatwick-airport-8271026/


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The one and only vid despite 50 something sightings and a major disruption to an airport. I tried finding a longer version of that video but that's it. Maybe the police filmed that and distributed the video.
So what do you suggest this was all about then?
I think there was a ufo incident at the airport and this is a cover-up.

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So what do you suggest this was all about then?
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SI Justin Burtenshaw said: ‘Each time we believe we get close to the operator, the drone disappears; when we look to reopen the airfield, the drone reappears.’
It's a police drone searching for this "drone" obviously.
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One team: "We're going to open up the airfield, send up our drone to look for it."

Some other team: "HEY THERE'S THE DRONE, SHUT DOWN THE AIRFIELD ASAP!"

First team: "They're shutting it down, bring our drone in to recharge the battery."
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The UK government has repeatedly shown that they can't find their way out of a paper bag.
And conspiracy nuts want us to believe that they can cover-up a UFO event?  :lol

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1075871993482895361

Anyhow the airport is shutdown again because of Drones.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2018, 01:40:17 PM by Nintex »
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shut the fuck up shosta
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The one and only vid despite 50 something sightings and a major disruption to an airport. I tried finding a longer version of that video but that's it. Maybe the police filmed that and distributed the video.
So what do you suggest this was all about then?
I think there was a ufo incident at the airport and this is a cover-up.

Joking or moron?

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They arrested 2 suspects last night and are interrogating them, apparently.

I wonder if they are little greys :thinking  :hans1

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Welp turns out I was wrong. France is literally on fire again.   :-\
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All you needed was the first sentence of that post.
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Welp turns out I was wrong. France is literally on fire again.   :-\

The numbers of protestors is down this Saturday but I don't know if the foreign press is properly conveying that while the gatherings on Saturdays are focal points, yellow vests are blocking roads, roundabouts, forcing toll boothes open on highways, etc... This include some spots being picketed round the clock and protestors spontaneously organizing day and night shifts. They did that every day for a month or so despite for no small amount of them being employed in some capacity. It hasn't magically stopped despite the holidays and measures so it was obvious there would be people marching today. It certainly could continue into January or even February considering the nebulous, loose nature of the movement. It's not like Macron concessions were spectacular and it has already leaked out that the implementation will be laborious (apparently the CSG will continue to go up in 2019 for pensions but people will be reimbursed in July. In practice it may be the same as not raising it all year as promised, but the OPTICS are not the best).

This movement has stripped Jupiter naked and some people will go as far as possible to see how much they can humble him. All the more since it's apparently been very cathartic for a lot of people who found avenue for socializing and speaking of those sort of problems openly. I'm pretty ambivalent about it all (it is not a movement of urban citizens or even one of the impoverished suburbs / projects) and I don't want to romanticise them but it seems pretty clear.

By the way I haven't seen a single Yellow Vest in any past Saturday, nor any burned car or smashed shop. I have been inconvenienced by some of the public transport stations being preemptively closed but the protests are very much localized into Paris intramuros to a third or a quarter of the city at best.

A tenth person died today but afaik no one was killed as a direct result of clashes between protestors and police (it's mostly car accidents linked to the blockades in some shape or form).
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shosta

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I thought Macrōn already made concessions?

VomKriege

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I thought Macrōn already made concessions?

He did, to the tune of an estimated 10-15 billions euros.
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France will hit debt of 100% GDP next year. Macron is utterly fucked.
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You may or may not remember of Alexandre Benalla, the former security member attached to Macron who got to brutalize protesting students along with riot police as if being a sworn cop on last 1st May, who subsequently got terminated and is awaiting trial.

Well it turns out he's been busy flying all over Africa using two "diplomatic passports" given to him while at the service of French presidency. For instance allegedly meeting Tchad president Idriss Déby a few days before Macron made an official visit to this very important partner in Africa.

Benalla says he was in company of a foreign investment delegation as a private consultant and both Foreign Affairs and the Presidency also went on the record that he wasn't acting on their behalf and that the "diplomatic passports" were requested back several times since July. Now that the story went public, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is saying they will bring the case to a prosecutor.

The passports by themselves don't grant diplomatic privilege but it's not hard to see why it's a terrible look. Especially since both passports were issued on May 24th.
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Macron has been somewhat de-fucked by the EU.

EU rules demand no deficit bigger than 2% of GDP.
The Italians got shit, because they dared to go as high as 2.2% or 2.4%!

BAD ITALIANS BAD!

But the French have been given a green light with no fuss for a 'one time' 3% deficit.  :lol
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You may or may not remember of Alexandre Benalla, the former security member attached to Macron who got to brutalize protesting students along with riot police as if being a sworn cop on last 1st May, who subsequently got terminated and is awaiting trial.

Well it turns out he's been busy flying all over Africa using two "diplomatic passports" given to him while at the service of French presidency. For instance allegedly meeting Tchad president Idriss Déby a few days before Macron made an official visit to this very important partner in Africa.

Benalla says he was in company of a foreign investment delegation as a private consultant and both Foreign Affairs and the Presidency also went on the record that he wasn't acting on their behalf and that the "diplomatic passports" were requested back several times since July. Now that the story went public, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is saying they will bring the case to a prosecutor.

The passports by themselves don't grant diplomatic privilege but it's not hard to see why it's a terrible look. Especially since both passports were issued on May 24th.


He also claimed while answering to the senate a while ago (so under oath) that he left them in his office when he left his position :lol

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One team: "We're going to open up the airfield, send up our drone to look for it."

Some other team: "HEY THERE'S THE DRONE, SHUT DOWN THE AIRFIELD ASAP!"

First team: "They're shutting it down, bring our drone in to recharge the battery."
Maybe the police filmed that and distributed the video.
https://inews.co.uk/news/police-admit-drones-gatwick-airport-sightings/

the bore's resident libertariatī called it days before the state had to walk back its LIES

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Police received 115 reports of sightings in the area, including 92 which have been confirmed as coming from “credible people”, said Mr York.
Credible people like raist  ::)

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Credible people
 :putin
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OK fine, I was the one flying the drones. Happy?


In other news.


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Concerns have been raised over the readiness of a British firm contracted by the government to run extra ferries in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

Seaborne Freight was awarded a £13.8m contract this week to run a freight service between Ramsgate and Ostend.

The firm has never run a ferry service and a local councillor said it would be impossible to launch before Brexit.

The government said it had awarded the contract in "the full knowledge that Seaborne is a new shipping provider".

Sounds like a plan  :aweshum


For extra laughs, this new company (founded in 2017, by the way) appears to have connections with some very generous donors to the Tory party :thinking

https://twitter.com/Scotscouser/status/1079529510117298176

shosta

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Honestly, why pay taxes if your government doesn't even do its job ever anymore?

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Because otherwise you'll end up with chaos, the system fails and .... uh wait.
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Honestly, why pay taxes if your government doesn't even do its job ever anymore?

That's the GOP strategy, yeah.
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Silas Malafia, an influential televangelist and close friend of
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Bolsonaro, said developed countries who centuries ago cut down their own forests should pay if they wanted Brazil to preserve the Amazon.

“We’re going to preserve everything because the gringos destroyed what they had?” he said.

I mean these people are not wrong

Ill be willing to pay a rainforest tax if that kept them from cutting it down

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kingv

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Keep a stiff upper lip.

British people like potatoes.

Edit: British politics are goddamn crazy and make Trump look competent.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2019, 02:06:33 PM by kingv »

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The French are at it again. More protestors, more fires and one secretary had to escape his office through the backdoor after the YellowVests tried to gain entry.

Rumor has it that they want to march onto Macron's Palace tonight.
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There's less protestors than last week, and the numbers were already lower then.
 ???
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There's less protestors than last week, and the numbers were already lower then.
 ???
Are you saying that the internet is wrong?  :thinking
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No, just that you should apply at the Daily Mail.

VomKriege

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I'll retract the previous information because at the end of the day there were more people this Saturday than the previous one nationally, contrary to reports within the day. Attendance is still lower than 4 weeks ago but as I said earlier it could very well linger for more weeks.
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The Russians were probably distracted and didn't get out enough of their orders.
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I don't get it.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frau_Holle
tl;dr she makes it snow

Caption reads: "Frau Holle is dead, but she provoked it/deserves it."

Swing and a miss with this one, filler.