International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/EllenBarryNYT/status/1112379085311881216

[Nintex]

What the people voted for:
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

- Remain a member of the European Union
- Leave the European Union*

What was in the fine print


*and enjoy an unspecified duration of party politics and government infighting that achieves nothing?

[Raist]

https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/1112756332564750336

[Raist]

https://twitter.com/CER_EU/status/1111915972632420353

 

[VomKriege]

Bouteflika on the way out this month.

Renault-Nissan notified to justice that they had suspect money transfers to Oman dating back to former CEO Carlos Ghosn (destituted after his arrest in Japan on charge of misappropriated millions from the company, including a lavish wedding at the Versailles Palace without paying for the location). Who knows how deep this pit of fuckery goes.

[Nintex]

Soooo what's the latest on Brexit?
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1112742431064236032

oh

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1112749714615820289

I see

[Raist]

They;re not voting on H either, Bercow shot it down too.

[Nintex]

And they're not pleased so they're just writing their own options on the ballots. 

https://twitter.com/DavidTCDavies/status/1112797607682822145

[Raist]

 

[Tripon]

And they're not pleased so they're just writing their own options on the ballots. 

https://twitter.com/DavidTCDavies/status/1112797607682822145

What is a WTO Brexit? World Trade Organization?

[Raist]

It basically is no-deal.

But since that one lost by like 400 to 150 last week, they're trying to pretend it's different.

[shosta]

Can someone explain to me how staying in the customs union without freedom of movement will be possible; if you can get all the benefits of free trade without opening your borders, why should any country stay in the EU? And if it's not possible, what's the point?

[Occam]

Can someone explain to me how staying in the customs union without freedom of movement will be possible; if you can get all the benefits of free trade without opening your borders, why should any country stay in the EU? And if it's not possible, what's the point?

It's not possible. You need to understand that these people are very very stupid.

[shosta]

[Raist]

Indicative votes results:

[kingv]

It’s like fantasy Brexit.

They should just put some deal on the table to vote for that’s not actually one of the possible deals but is really really good.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Can someone explain to me how staying in the customs union without freedom of movement will be possible; if you can get all the benefits of free trade without opening your borders, why should any country stay in the EU? And if it's not possible, what's the point?

Most countries actually want free movement of people becauae they are not dumb

[Raist]

https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1112828931818881025

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1112827512264876033

Bloomberg getting the Brexit account is some late stage capitalism.

[Nintex]

 

These motions are also entirely pointless because most of these proposals would be rejected by the EU anyway.


Also, if you think Labour is anything more organized than the conservatives
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1112829389731979264

And that actually lost them the vote 
https://twitter.com/jr33rpm/status/1112826522988154885

[kingv]

“Look we do the common market 2.0. We still pay the EU dues, and we don’t get to vote on EU policies, but were free from the tyranny of red passports.”

[Nintex]

"Maybe if we make it look like a television drama it would seem less of a shit show  "

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1112810120621129728

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1112815884085555200

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1112822107421925376

[Raist]

Summary of the HoC taking back control

spoiler (click to show/hide)

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[Raist]

 


https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1113101530276790272

[Raist]

Statement from Theresa May.

"I am taking action to break the deadlock."

Meaning, she publicly offered to sit down with Corbyn to try and come up with something together.


 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1113127126419505152

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1113129409639342080

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1113128182322954240

[Rufus]

Last ditch effort to have someone else hold the bag for their own mess. Good show.

[Nintex]

Now the conservatives are angry, the government supporters are angry and Labous is angry.

Plus:
https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1113134384910143488

Corbyn probably wants to push for a new general election like he has before.
And even if May and Corbyn agree, it is unlikely their parties will as the big issue is that there is no consensus in both parties let alone between the two parties. 

And we're off!

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1113141894941376515

[Nintex]

Theresa May starts the negotiation with 6 knifes in her back and 2 bullets in her knees as Boris launches his bid for PM.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1113166143873847296

Her cabinet is against her too

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1113153249253711872

[Nintex]

May is toast

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1113188388750864384

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1113184348713496576

[Joe Molotov]

The lack of leadership from the Queen is really disappointing.

[kingv]

Go off queen.

[Kunai With Chain]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47754193

Canada's prime minister has kicked two MPs from his party's caucus after they accused him of meddling in a criminal case involving an influential company.

How has he handled this whole fiasco so poorly only couple of months from elections? It's gonna be a doozy when the conservatives stroll through the next parliament, because I don't think this will blow over in time.

[Raist]

Leadsom with the genius plans

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1113185072037941249

[Raist]

This is going to go well.

https://twitter.com/AliBunkallSKY/status/1113352300037398528

[shosta]

I need a voxsplainer on where Corbyn's unpopularity comes from. Afaict it's because of 1) some bs allegations of antisemitism, 2) bonafide socialism and 3) he's not a pigfucking jingo fascist.

[Raist]

It's a mix of the usual right-leaning tabloid trashing him, but also some of his positions aren't particularly popular with his own voter base.

He wasn't exactly subtle about not giving a shit about Remain, while labour voters were in favour of it (something like 65% IIRC).

[Raist]

And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust

https://twitter.com/nadams/status/1113359638769164289

[Raist]

I was bored ().

Oooooh, let's go

May walks warily down the street
With the brim pulled way down low
Ain't no sound but the sound of Brexit,
Ministers ready to go

Are you ready, May, are you ready for this?
Are you hanging on the edge of your seat?
Out of the doorway of Downing Street
To the sound of Brexit

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust

May, I'm gonna resign, too
Another one bites the dust
How do you think you're going to get along
Without us when we're gone?
You took back the control that we had
We left you on y'own

Are you happy, are you satisfied?
How long can you stand the heat?
Out of the doorway of Downing Street
To the sound of Brexit

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust

May, I'm gonna resign, too
Another one bites the dust

May
Oh take it
Bite the dust
Bite the dust
May

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust oww
Another one bites the dust hey May
Another one bites the dust eh eh

Oh ministers
There are plenty of ways that you can hurt a woman
And bring her to the ground
You can diss her, you can leave her
You can treat her bad and leave her when she's down

But I'm ready, yes, we're ready for you
We're walking on our own two feet
Out of the doorway of Downing Street
Repeating to the sound of Brexit oh yeah

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
May, I'm gonna get you, too
Another one bites the dust

[VomKriege]

I need a voxsplainer on where Corbyn's unpopularity comes from. Afaict it's because of 1) some bs allegations of antisemitism, 2) bonafide socialism and 3) he's not a pigfucking jingo fascist.

I wouldn't brush off the antisemitism though it's one of those smears that the right likes to caricature. But I don't think it's a huge factor in his reputation. He was quite literally shelled by the press when first nominated and that was before any of that.

Internally the thing is that old school leftists (which he is strongly perceived as) and neo-Blairites ("centrists") have to coexist in the party because of the FPTP system I suppose, when in most other European countries some of that tension was resolved by people going to other parties or creating new ones. The "moderate" left that doesn't like him is a significant minority in the party (at MP level too) though at the same time Corbyn also triggered a clear uptick in registered members (Maybe not anymore).

As with regards to the general public I don't know exactly. I believe he was seen as indecisive or unclear & lacking charisma. As Raist pointed out, Corbyn didn't appear as a forceful leader throughout this whole debacle and the apathic ambiguity he went for during the referendum was a bit spineless.

[Nintex]

Corbyn could've been seen as a strategic genius in retrospect for steering clear of Brexit and having May fall on her own sword thus decimating the conservative party for possibly a decade.
But that is all gone now because when she offered him a ticket for an already sinking ship, he said: "ok, where do I sit"

[shosta]

The same director needs to make a sequel to the Brexit movie after this is all over.

[Raist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzcA5qV4S8U&t=37s

[Raist]

Today keeps on giving

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019/04/03/brexit-bbc-prepares-for-dutch-move/

The BBC is ready to move a number of its commercial channels to the Netherlands, should the outcome of current Brexit talks make it necessary.

[Raist]

So this is the kind of dumb shit the HoC is devoting its time to vote on today:

    13 & 14 - tabled by Labour's Yvette Cooper: This is a simple re-drafting of parts of the bill
    20 - tabled by Tory MP George Eustice: Limits the extension to 30 June
    21 - tabled by Tory MP George Eustice: Takes out the requirement for the prime minister to put the EU’s chosen extension date to MPs
    22 - tabled by Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay: Ensures that nothing in this bill rules out the government extending Article 50 in a different way
    1 - tabled by Tory MP Anne Main: Limits the government to a 22 May extension
    6 - tabled by Tory MP Sir Bill Cash: Ensures the extension is subject to approval by the devolved bodies
    New Clause 4 - tabled by Tory MP Sir Bill Cash: Prevents amendments to standing orders during these extension motions - standing orders are the rules that govern the proceedings of Parliament
    New Clause 5 - tabled by Tory MP Sir Bill Cash: Limits an extension to 22 May
    New Clause 7 - tabled by Tory MP Sir Bill Cash: Ensures that an extension would not result in the UK taking part in elections to the European Parliament
    New Clause 13 - tabled by Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay: Amends the EU Withdrawal Act to make it easier to change the exit date in UK law

Semantics, splitting hair, and completely ignoring what the EU has been repeating about 205 times for weeks.

Ho, and it surely doesn't help either that it takes 15-20mins per vote, cause the UK parliament still lives in the 19th century and votes are cast by shouting, and if it sort of sounds like it's split, then it takes forever for them to walk into their tiny "aye" or "no" room, then some grunts have to count heads.

 

[shosta]

I mean the HoC is wasting time but presumably that's because MPs have given up and are waiting for a cross party coalition to move forward

[Nintex]

Today keeps on giving

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019/04/03/brexit-bbc-prepares-for-dutch-move/

The BBC is ready to move a number of its commercial channels to the Netherlands, should the outcome of current Brexit talks make it necessary.

Awwww yisss UK businesses are moving to the Netherlands (Sony is already moving their UK operations here).

The Dutch government has said it is in talks with more than 250 companies about moving their operations from the UK to the Netherlands before Brexit.
The economic affairs ministry said it had lured 42 companies or branch offices and 1,923 jobs from the UK last year, as it increases its efforts to gain Brexit business.
Among those who have chosen to invest in the Netherlands are the Discovery Channel, Sony and Bloomberg.

We are taking control of Europe 

[Raist]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/police-investigating-pro-brexit-sabotage-14224917

Police are investigating two pro-Brexit "sabotage" attempts to disrupt Britain's rail network.

Home-made short-circuit devices were found clipped to railway tracks in Cambridgeshire and Nottinghamshire last week.

It came with a note saying "Leave means leave" and threatening to "bring this country to its knees" if Britain doesn't exit the EU.

[...]


But safeguards introduced to comply with EU regulations mean the devices failed.

         

[shosta]

Why would the businesses go to the Netherlands instead of Ireland? It's a tax haven and English speaking.

[Raist]

It's also an island beyond that island.

[Nintex]

Why would the businesses go to the Netherlands instead of Ireland? It's a tax haven and English speaking.

They wan't security, safety, highly skilled workers, legal weed and prostitutes 

[shosta]

Ireland made the purchase of sex illegal in 2017

[Nintex]

History repeats itself

[shosta]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-nuclear/u-s-approved-secret-nuclear-power-work-for-saudi-arabia-idUSKCN1R82MG

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/RogerHelmerMEP/status/1113578119380852737

 

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1113600111035191296

[Raist]

He should have just said "Hodor" and walked away.

[Raist]

Mark François, one of the Brexiteers extraordinaire (with a French surname, for extra irony), was very sad that, in particular, the UK had forfeited its sovereignty to the EU.
He is now mad as fuck because of yesterday's vote

[Occam]

Farage doesn't sound very British, either...

[Rufus]

1066. Never forget.