International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1592583021911330816

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1592599590788038656

[Uncle]

Russia just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Polish culture (I'm an expert),

[james]

ELON MUSK SAVE US

[Uncle]

[Occam]

There's not gonna be any Nato reaction. Russia will probably have to pay restitution for the damage, and that's it.

[Nintex]

There's not gonna be any Nato reaction. Russia will probably have to pay restitution for the damage, and that's it.

Maybe not NATO but attacking Poland comes at your own risk.

Russia has ultra-nationalists, Poland is ultra-nationalist.

[Occam]

So what?

[Nintex]

Poland has confirmed the missile attack and summoned the Russian ambassador, Russia media is talking about how this is another false flag from Ukraine or the US or Liz Truss or whatever else.

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1592654504859959296

Poland has also confirmed that their military is in a state of combat readiness.

The Polish position seems to be that Russia should admit it made a mistake and Putin should apologize and in that case some sort of agreement can be reached.
Denial and disinformation however is not going to be tolerated. In that case they will consider it a deliberate act that will require a military response.
It would not surprise me if this leads to a no-fly zone of sorts.

If no action is taken once again Russia has succesfully moved the boundaries and has shown that NATO will not defend its territory.

[Occam]

Do you believe Russia deliberately attacked Poland? Do you believe Poland believes Russia deliberately attacked Poland?
If the answer is no, then what are we talking about here?

Guess what happened when American planes mistakenly bombed Schaffhausen (Switzerland) in 1944.
Spoiler: Switzerland did not declare war to "defend its territory".

[Potato]

It's about whether Russia will admit it made a mistake or not.

[Occam]

Maybe it won't have to.

While the Polish Foreign Ministry said the missile was Russian-made, the country’s president, Andrzej Duda, told reporters, “It was most likely a Russian-made missile, but this is all still under investigation at the moment.” Both Ukraine and Russia use Soviet-era Russian made missiles.

President Biden said on Wednesday that initial information about the missile’s trajectory suggested that it was “unlikely” that it was fired from Russia. But it was unclear from the president’s remarks whether he meant the missile had probably not been fired from inside Russia’s territorial borders, or had probably not been fired by Russian forces in Ukraine or elsewhere.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/11/16/world/russia-ukraine-war-news-g20

[HardcoreRetro]

Don't worry people. I have been playing God of War: Ragnarok in preparation for this.

[Potato]

Maybe it won't have to.

While the Polish Foreign Ministry said the missile was Russian-made, the country’s president, Andrzej Duda, told reporters, “It was most likely a Russian-made missile, but this is all still under investigation at the moment.” Both Ukraine and Russia use Soviet-era Russian made missiles.

President Biden said on Wednesday that initial information about the missile’s trajectory suggested that it was “unlikely” that it was fired from Russia. But it was unclear from the president’s remarks whether he meant the missile had probably not been fired from inside Russia’s territorial borders, or had probably not been fired by Russian forces in Ukraine or elsewhere.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/11/16/world/russia-ukraine-war-news-g20

Saw that earlier today. Going by that, I just hope it wasn't from Belarus.

[Occam]

There's all sorts of speculation in the media, including that it could have been a Russian missle that was somehow driven off course by Ukrainian missile defense. No idea if that's possible.
Anyway, no sane person would assume that anyone intentionally fired a missile at Poland. Which is why I stand by what I said yesterday: There is not going to be a reaction by Nato. (And by that I mean a military response).

[Occam]

There you go, from 10 minutes ago:

Poland’s president and the secretary general of NATO said on Wednesday that a Ukrainian air defense missile had most likely caused a deadly explosion on Polish territory a day earlier, but emphasized that Kyiv was not to blame for trying to defend itself.

President Andrzej Duda noted that Russian forces had launched a barrage of missile strikes on Ukraine and its civilian infrastructure on Tuesday. He said early indications suggested that Ukrainian efforts to counter the hail of about 100 missiles had caused an “unfortunate accident” in Poland — not a direct attack on his country.

“We have no evidence at the moment that it was a rocket launched by Russian forces,” Mr. Duda told reporters. “However, there are many indications that it was a missile that was used by Ukraine’s antimissile defense.”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/11/16/world/russia-ukraine-war-news-g20

[james]

FALSE FLAG BY FTX TO DISTRACT FROM THEIR BANKRUPTCY?

more at 10

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1592928556635471873

[Potato]

Sounds very much like NATO coming up with a story to de-escalate rather than the whole truth.

[Nintex]

Yeah why would Ukraine fire an S-300 backwards that flies into the face of basic logic of missile intercepts and air defense   

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1592724220999786496

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1593350739342008324
Shot himself 5 times

[benjipwns]

Sounds very much like NATO coming up with a story to de-escalate rather than the whole truth.

"Hello, yes, this is Berlin, I would like to invoke the NATO defense treaty against Russia."
"Are you sure it's an attack from Russia?"
"They are outside the window screaming WE ARE FROM RUSSIA HERE TO AVENGE THE RED ARMY THE CHILDREN OF KIEVAN RUS WILL ENCRICLE THE GLOBE from their tanks."
"Hmm, could be rogue separatists maybe? Could they be lost on the way to Kaliningrad?"

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1593757516055429122

As I said before folks underestimate how much the Eastern Europeans hate Russia.

[HardcoreRetro]

Hate?

They're still occupying land that isn't theirs. What is there to talk about. Get the fuck out. Then you can talk peace.

[Sman]

Hate?

They're still occupying land that isn't theirs. What is there to talk about. Get the fuck out. Then you can talk peace.

Quick end or a drawn out, bloody end.

Ukraine is also dependent on Western support to win this war.

And more importantly, Ukraine is desperate for Western support for reconstruction. Russia paying any significant war reparation is a pipe dream.

[Occam]

Russia paying any significant war reparation is a pipe dream.

Last I checked, about $600bn in Russian assets were frozen. That should help to pay for some of the damage.

[BrokenVerses]

The West will probably push for a settlement once it becomes apparent that Ukraine has run of out momentum and the conflict has become a stalemate.

[Nintex]

The general idea seems to be that they can't fight in winter but I very much doubt this considered how well equipped Ukraine is and how poorly equipped Russia is.
Wouldn't surprise me if the Mobiks just froze to death defending Crimea.

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/sarahemclaugh/status/1592899051858825217

[Potato]

[Sman]

Russia paying any significant war reparation is a pipe dream.

Last I checked, about $600bn in Russian assets were frozen. That should help to pay for some of the damage.

Freezing assets is one thing, stealing them is another. Very bad precedent that would be.

And how would stealing foster "peace"? It sounds to me you are just rebuilding the country to be destroyed again at a later date.

[Nintex]

[who is ted danson?]

https://www.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/z03a0x/ill_just_leave_this_here/

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1594915216026112000

It's getting stranger by the day

[Raist]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63714944

Ex-minister Owen Paterson is taking the UK government to the European Court of Human Rights over a standards watchdog verdict that he broke lobbying rules.

How cute. The man was a front line Brexiteer 

[Occam]

Yet his actions say otherwise. Until he disputes the result, the accusation is baseless.

Bolsonaro was never going to challenge the election outcome. He spend most of his presidency in a hospital bed. 

Brazil’s Bolsonaro challenges election loss, files petition demanding votes be annulled
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/americas/brazil-bolsonaro-presidential-election-petition-intl-hnk/index.html

[Potato]

As long as he disputes them using the appropriate legal channels, the comparison to Trump is asinine.

The legal system exists. It can be used for disputing elections. If he has the evidence then he should dispute it. However, he's got to prove it in court. He's not inciting a mob.

I don't see what you're getting at here aside from stating your own conspiracy theory of what he's going to do and then bending the facts to suit your narrative.

Do you think his legal right to challenge election results in a court should be taken away because of what happened in a shithole country thousands of kilometres away?

[Occam]

Come on now.

"Since his 2018 election victory, Bolsonaro has made baseless allegations of voter fraud in Brazil, which critics say could lay the groundwork to challenge upcoming elections in the same vein as his political idol, former U.S. President Donald Trump."
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazils-bolsonaro-says-he-wont-hand-over-presidency-if-there-is-vote-fraud-2021-07-01/

"Meanwhile, Bolsonaro has been pushing baseless lies about the integrity of the election for months, wrongly stating that voting machines in the country cannot be trusted to deliver a true outcome. On Sunday, after polling lower than da Silva in the election’s first round, Bolsonaro claimed without evidence that election administrators had rigged the outcome.

“They took sides. They have a candidate for president,” Bolsonaro said. “Or at least there’s one they don’t want, which is me.”"
https://truthout.org/articles/bolsonaro-pushes-brazenly-false-claims-of-election-fraud-after-first-round-loss/

Yet his actions say otherwise. Until he disputes the result, the accusation is baseless.

Brazil’s Bolsonaro challenges election loss, files petition demanding votes be annulled
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/americas/brazil-bolsonaro-presidential-election-petition-intl-hnk/index.html

[Potato]

Outgoing Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has filed a petition with Brazil election authorities formally contesting the results of this year’s fiercely contested presidential vote.

What's your problem with him exercising his legal right here?


Edit: Oh, silly me, I forgot you commies only grant legal rights to those who agree with you.

[Occam]

My bad, I forgot English isn't your first language.
To dispute, challenge and contest all mean the same thing in this context. They are what we call "synonyms".
Don't worry about it!

[Potato]

My bad, I forgot English isn't your first language.
To dispute, challenge and contest all mean the same thing in this context. They are what we call "synonyms".
Don't worry about it!

You're a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow mate.


Answer my question. Is he not allowed to dispute the results using the legal system?

[Occam]

Of course he is. Exactly like Trump, who did it 63 times and lost 63 times.

[Potato]

So what exactly is your problem aside from the obvious mental handicaps?

[benjipwns]

Of course he is. Exactly like Trump, who did it 41 times and lost 41 times.

I wouldn't say that Trump exactly disputed the "results using the legal system" as none of the 60 some filings they failed on ever made any claims in the first place.

[Potato]

distinguished mentally-challenged fellows gonna distinguished mentally-challenged fellow Benji.

[Pissy F Benny]

Just let my boy smugpost in peace

[Occam]

Let's recap, for those of us who have trouble following a conversation:

Occam [after the Brazilian election]: "Wanna bet he's going to pull a Former Guy next and claim he was cheated?"
chronovore: "Bolsonaro has already ceded victory, according to the News."
Occam: "Yes, surprising. After claiming for months there'd be fraud he decided not to go that way after all."
potato: "Or maybe the whole idea was a figment of the lefties' imagination?"
Occam: [shows that Bolsonaro already did baselessly claim he was cheated before and during the election]
potato: "Yet his actions say otherwise. Until he disputes the result, the accusation is baseless."

[Time passes. Bolsonaro begins to dispute the result.]

Occam: "Bolsonaro challenges election loss, files petition demanding votes be annulled"

potato: "Derp derp!"

[Potato]

If you can't see the difference in situations and claims and actions between Trump and Bolsonaro, there's not much anyone can do for you mate. Either way, I'm not really interested in arguing with the mentally deficient. If you want to keep going, just assume my response to all of your posts will be, "shut up distinguished mentally-challenged fellow."

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1596462825312251904

The foreign minister is already dead.

[Potato]

I would support this action

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/wierdduk/status/1596667812407562240

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1596822446643953664

freedom?

[james]

They need to storm the lab and reveal the truth

[Nintex]

Moroccan soy bois rioting 

https://twitter.com/DreigingNL2/status/1596900991378464768

https://twitter.com/BobHGL/status/1596894188208984067

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/SiminaMistreanu/status/1596912559399268353

[james]

Pooh really regretting not funding the soccer team would make a good distraction

[Potato]

Roll in the tanks Mr President for life.

Show us what real communism is like

[jorma]

https://twitter.com/SiminaMistreanu/status/1596912559399268353

lies lies lies

everyone knows that nothing ever happens on tiananmen square

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/selinawangtv/status/1596943387172933633

Also BBC reporter arrested and beaten by real communists.

https://twitter.com/POLITlCSUK/status/1596964458160496640

[Potato]

Communism in action is just authoritarian kleptocratic dictatorship in disguise.

Tankies should just kill themselves.

Edit: More amazing communism in action

https://mobile.twitter.com/billbirtles/status/1596935475725406208