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« Reply #180 on: December 06, 2015, 09:40:46 PM »
Ammunition expires but not very quickly if kept under correct conditions. We shot ammo from the 70s and 80s in the Army not infrequently.

yep, 5.45 & 54r in old ruskie spam cans will last indefinitely, and if Americans would want the same effect they could conceivably just vacuum seal it or whatever, not that a good 'ole 50 cal ammo can with a desiccant pack in it stored in the right place won't outlive you, too.

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« Reply #181 on: December 06, 2015, 10:00:25 PM »
The point is you need to do it by steps. You can't just take away peoples guns, you need to start with a legal precedent.  Its easier to get people to agree that AR-15s are really just something people buy for fun compared to a handgun, so you ban them first.

I use an AR for home defense for the main reason that it's best at not over penetrating drywall, the only thing that would be better is 5.7 x 28mm out of an FN P90 (select fire P90 is my dream HD go to gun, a man can dream can't he?)



he doesn't make the most sound arguments in the world (intimidation factor - you should not be racking your gun letting the burglar know exactly where you are and what you're doing and especially not racking it right in front of them before you might have to, you know, use it.)



watch this if you don't watch the other one, both entertaining and informative, he demonstrates the over penetration of ball pistol ammo versus 5.7

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« Reply #182 on: December 06, 2015, 10:15:12 PM »
How likely is it that gun nuts are more prepared for an unlikely home defense scenario than they are for their own old age?

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« Reply #183 on: December 07, 2015, 01:50:53 AM »
What's the idea of needing an ar to defend your home? Like isn't home defense so you protect your shit, not fill it full of bullets? Or are people just trying to murder you at home all the time

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« Reply #184 on: December 07, 2015, 08:42:22 AM »
dude, what.

If someone breaks into your home while you're there you can assume based on the long history of crime that they intend to do you harm.  That doesn't mean you automatically shoot them when you see them, of course.  That is a last resort if you feel your life is in danger.  Where I live in Ohio you won't really need to be able to explain that in court (if you even have to go, probably not) why you shot somebody that forcibly made their way into your home because of the Castle Doctrine.  Outside of your home you better be able to vividly explain why you felt you had to though, like anywhere else.

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« Reply #185 on: December 07, 2015, 11:15:14 AM »
Well when you store gold bricks in your house you start getting paranoid about paramilitary forces storming it, you see, thus assault rifles for home defense.
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« Reply #186 on: December 07, 2015, 11:16:30 AM »
Yeah but why do you specifically need an automatic rifle to achieve that

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« Reply #187 on: December 07, 2015, 11:22:04 AM »
Paranoia, violent American movies, delusions of grandeur -- that kinda thing
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« Reply #188 on: December 07, 2015, 11:25:19 AM »
Yeah but why do you specifically need an automatic rifle to achieve that

AR's aren't automatic.  They are semi auto just like anything else.

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« Reply #189 on: December 07, 2015, 11:30:08 AM »
 since you're ignoring the inference that I was referring to full automatics, let me specify that I'm asking about full . not your specific preference, but why would anyone need one of these

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« Reply #190 on: December 07, 2015, 11:37:59 AM »
Thankfully I live in the United States of America where we have the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, so I really don't NEED to answer that.

Also I wasn't ignoring anything, you literally specifically asked me why I would need an automatic rifle to achieve that.

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« Reply #191 on: December 07, 2015, 11:40:54 AM »
Thankfully I live in the United States of America where we have the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, so I really don't NEED to answer that. 

smh u fuckin cornball

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« Reply #192 on: December 07, 2015, 11:49:16 AM »
Full auto is already highly regulated btw, I'm not sure on the specific guidelines involving them because its too cost prohibitive for me anyway.  The ironically named FOPA act of 1986 (look it up) cut off sales of any machine guns made after that point to civilians, so there is a limited pool of them out there and therefore are extremely expensive (cheapest being 3 - 5K for some MAC 10 or 11 piece of shit)

As a frame of reference the protocol for getting a suppressor or an SBR would be to - go to the store, pick it out, pay for it, gun shop owner takes it into the back and locks it away, fill out paperwork along with $200 and mail it to the ATF, wait 6 (?) months for your tax stamp, go back to the store and take it home.  Congratulations its now yours forever (literally, you can never sell it or even loan it to a friend).

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« Reply #194 on: December 07, 2015, 12:33:36 PM »
Thankfully I live in the United States of America where we have the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, so I really don't NEED to answer that. 

smh u fuckin cornball
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« Reply #195 on: December 07, 2015, 12:55:09 PM »
your tears keep my evil scary salt rifles w/ baby seeking bullets lubed every night. Thank you.

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« Reply #196 on: December 07, 2015, 01:02:20 PM »
Salt water is bad for your gunz. :wag
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« Reply #197 on: December 07, 2015, 03:54:18 PM »
tears? please. my eyes are dry from rolling so hard

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« Reply #198 on: December 07, 2015, 05:14:26 PM »

I use an AR for home defense

No you don't.
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« Reply #199 on: December 07, 2015, 07:42:02 PM »
:lol
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« Reply #200 on: December 07, 2015, 08:51:49 PM »
No you don't.

I "keep"?  You guys are impossible. :mindblown

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« Reply #201 on: December 08, 2015, 12:31:35 AM »

I use an AR for home defense

No you don't.

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This sums up gun culture in a nutshell. Bunch of wannabes.

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« Reply #202 on: December 08, 2015, 12:48:07 AM »
nm for now
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« Reply #203 on: December 08, 2015, 02:30:14 AM »
dude, what.

If someone breaks into your home while you're there you can assume based on the long history of crime that they intend to do you harm.  That doesn't mean you automatically shoot them when you see them, of course.  That is a last resort if you feel your life is in danger.  Where I live in Ohio you won't really need to be able to explain that in court (if you even have to go, probably not) why you shot somebody that forcibly made their way into your home because of the Castle Doctrine.  Outside of your home you better be able to vividly explain why you felt you had to though, like anywhere else.

Though if it turns out to be Boogie executing a no-knock warrant you'll be facing life in prison.

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« Reply #204 on: December 08, 2015, 12:39:58 PM »
Ahhhhh yes, finally, I was hoping this thread would take a little detour like this.  Implying I don't regularly use the ever loving shit out of my equipment is a bad call.  Once a month I go to a carbine shoot that is attended by like minded civilians with their shit on lock (I fall into this category), local SWAT medics one of which also served in the Marines for 8 years, current and former local Police, local Army National Gaurd bros, and even one guy who was in the Spetsnaz in Afghanistan during the 80's (picking his brain during down time was fun).  It is run by the #1 AR gunsmith in the country, I'm very lucky to have his shop and his classes at my disposal, people send in their guns for him to work on from every corner of the USA and its only a 15 minute drive for me.  Highlights from the past year for me have been machine gun month, shotgun September, and I'm really looking forward to a night shoot in January.

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I could keep going but I'll just end it there.

Hey Boogie, buddy, how does it make you feel that not only am I more well equipped than your local PD but I'm also more well trained.  Also no thanks to getting paid to work on a two way range, I already get paid more in my skilled trade job, but thanks again anyway.

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« Reply #205 on: December 08, 2015, 12:45:17 PM »
and even one guy who was in the Spetsnaz in Afghanistan during the 80's (picking his brain during down time was fun).

See that part above is why you don't need a gun. I own guns, but you should probably use nerf equipment. There is no glory in violence. None.
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« Reply #206 on: December 08, 2015, 12:50:51 PM »
Nobody said you don't use them, just not for the stated purpose.

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« Reply #207 on: December 08, 2015, 12:55:20 PM »
Nobody said you don't use them, just not for the stated purpose.

What frightens me is some young kid with an assault rifle getting pumped up on war stories.
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« Reply #208 on: December 08, 2015, 12:56:26 PM »
See that part above is why you don't need a gun. I own guns, but you should probably use nerf equipment. There is no glory in violence. None.

Never said there was any, dude its not like i was asking him "SO, what was it like to slaughter all those goat fuckers?!" with a huge grin on my face...I was just asking him about his equipment he had, overall experience in a foreign country, and what its like to be in the Russian Military.  If God forbid the day comes when I have to shoot someone I'll probably throw up.

Nobody said you don't use them, just not for the stated purpose.

We are now entering Twilight Zone levels of phrasing :spin

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« Reply #209 on: December 08, 2015, 01:00:28 PM »
Well that's good because in my experience anybody who glorifies war has either never been in one or is completely psychotic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock) or (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Marcinko)  btw the second loonie linked here contributed heavily to the anarchist's cookbook.

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« Reply #210 on: December 08, 2015, 01:49:02 PM »
whats wrong with Mr. Hathcock?  Here's a quote from him from that Wikipedia page -  "I like shooting, and I love hunting. But I never did enjoy killing anybody. It's my job. If I don't get those bastards, then they're gonna kill a lot of these kids dressed up like Marines. That's the way I look at it."

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« Reply #211 on: December 08, 2015, 01:55:18 PM »
whats wrong with Mr. Hathcock?  Here's a quote from him from that Wikipedia page -  "I like shooting, and I love hunting. But I never did enjoy killing anybody. It's my job. If I don't get those bastards, then they're gonna kill a lot of these kids dressed up like Marines. That's the way I look at it."

Because they choose to ignore the other 1000 biggoted racist asshole fucktard warmongering shitbait the guy put out there on the regular.

Glad he's was on our side and all but I have no use for someone who glorifies sniping.
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« Reply #212 on: December 08, 2015, 02:02:53 PM »
Ah OK I was not aware of that.

If you want more reading on insanely talented snipers (politics aside) give this guy a gander:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

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« Reply #213 on: December 08, 2015, 02:44:38 PM »
Well that's good because in my experience anybody who glorifies war has either never been in one or is completely psychotic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock) or (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Marcinko)  btw the second loonie linked here contributed heavily to the anarchist's cookbook.
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« Reply #214 on: December 08, 2015, 02:49:30 PM »
Well that's good because in my experience anybody who glorifies war has either never been in one or is completely psychotic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock) or (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Marcinko)  btw the second loonie linked here contributed heavily to the anarchist's cookbook.
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A little off topic but Macinko was once told by an admiral that "nobody could ever breach an aircraft carrier, even at port" so he and a few of his SEAL team crawled up the shit shoot on the ship, undressed the admirals wife, and left a note. Again another nutter but I am glad he was on our team.
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« Reply #215 on: December 08, 2015, 03:14:20 PM »
Hey drew can you post some more pictures? I need to update http://lookatthisoperator.tumblr.com

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« Reply #216 on: December 08, 2015, 03:14:47 PM »
Crawling up the shit shoot :phil

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« Reply #217 on: December 08, 2015, 04:33:00 PM »
I don't give a shit if you have fun with guns.

It's been proven they are a danger to society at large.

God forbid we actually give a fuck about that though.

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« Reply #218 on: December 08, 2015, 05:58:08 PM »
Hey drew can you post some more pictures? I need to update http://lookatthisoperator.tumblr.com

It'd probably be best if you just swept up the shattered pieces of your asshole and walk home before you embarrass yourself any further.

Sure some of these old guys can look a bit derpy whilst donning gear but at least they're out there T- zoning hard unlike the majority of gun owners.

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« Reply #219 on: December 08, 2015, 06:45:19 PM »
Yes, that's the ticket, drew.  Keep posting about how obsessively and extensively you train for your home defense scenarios.  That will prove my point wrong.
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« Reply #220 on: December 08, 2015, 06:47:53 PM »
My fun > your safety
My paranoid delusions > your safety
My racism and xenophobia > your safety

Kind of done even entertaining people who are anti gun control on any level.

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« Reply #221 on: December 08, 2015, 06:55:15 PM »
Yes, that's the ticket, drew.  Keep posting about how obsessively and extensively you train for your home defense scenarios.  That will prove my point wrong.

Yes actually, I think it did.  Alongside Daniel Craig's "point".  Two birds, one stone as they say...

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« Reply #222 on: December 09, 2015, 01:32:15 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/us/san-bernardino-shooter-farook-2012-plot/
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(CNN)Investigators believe San Bernardino shooter Syed Rizwan Farook may have been plotting an earlier attack in California with someone else, two U.S. officials said.

One of the officials said the two conspired in 2012 and a specific target was considered. Neither of the officials could say how serious the plotting got.

San Bernardino shooters: What we do and don't know about their radicalization

One official said the two decided not to go through with the earlier attack after a round of terror-related arrests in the area.

"They got spooked," the official said.

The purported plot bolsters assertions law enforcement officials have made since the San Bernardino attacks, saying Farook had been radicalized for a time before the shooting.
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Last week's mass shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., that killed 14 was reportedly planned up to a year in advance.

The suspected killers began practicing with guns and making financial preparations in 2014, according to NBC News.

Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik began honing their firearms skills last year at a shooting range in Riverside, Calif., NBC said, citing two sources.

Couterterrorism officials said the pair began making monetary savings for their child and Farook’s mother during the same period.

“[They wanted to] take care of both Grandma and the baby,” one official told NBC News, referencing the couple’s six-month old daughter and Rafia Farook, 62.

“They had purposely thought through that problem,” they continued. "[Some transactions] would be consistent with them making preparations for grandma and the kid.”

“There were other indications of preparation,” the official added, not specifying further details.
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« Reply #223 on: December 09, 2015, 05:10:31 PM »
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I am guilty there will be no trial. I am a warrior for the babies

You sure were a warrior for the babies of the parents you killed bucko. Ugh.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/09/us/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting/index.html?sr=twCNN120915colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting1001PMVODtopPhoto&linkId=19454678

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« Reply #224 on: December 09, 2015, 05:51:16 PM »
PP shooter

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I am guilty there will be no trial. I am a warrior for the babies

You sure were a warrior for the babies of the parents you killed bucko. Ugh.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/09/us/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting/index.html?sr=twCNN120915colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting1001PMVODtopPhoto&linkId=19454678

No-one is going to argue against this clown's ignorance, but wasn't the PP clinic he terrorized not one which performed abortions?

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« Reply #225 on: December 09, 2015, 05:57:47 PM »
Says they do, kind of narrowing my eyes at like rhetoric that's all "he didn't even shoot people getting abortions", it's that kind of speech that, and maybe without some people realizing, semi-justifies the horrors inflicted on women who DO get abortions and the doctors that perform them.

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« Reply #226 on: December 09, 2015, 06:00:21 PM »
I killed because I'm pro-life.  :doge
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« Reply #227 on: December 09, 2015, 06:30:22 PM »
Says they do, kind of narrowing my eyes at like rhetoric that's all "he didn't even shoot people getting abortions", it's that kind of speech that, and maybe without some people realizing, semi-justifies the horrors inflicted on women who DO get abortions and the doctors that perform them.

Yeah, sorry, of course that's not my intended meaning. Or subtext. Or thought.

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« Reply #228 on: December 09, 2015, 06:42:31 PM »
Says they do, kind of narrowing my eyes at like rhetoric that's all "he didn't even shoot people getting abortions", it's that kind of speech that, and maybe without some people realizing, semi-justifies the horrors inflicted on women who DO get abortions and the doctors that perform them.

Yeah, sorry, of course that's not my intended meaning. Or subtext. Or thought.

I didn't think you were but it's a sentiment I'm seeing in places and it's gross.


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« Reply #230 on: December 11, 2015, 11:38:36 AM »
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« Reply #231 on: December 11, 2015, 11:47:14 AM »
MA stays winning.

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« Reply #232 on: December 11, 2015, 01:38:28 PM »
The chart should pretty much kill the 'bu... but... Chicago!' talking point.
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« Reply #233 on: December 11, 2015, 01:55:13 PM »
Seems like everyone's chill in New Hampshire
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« Reply #234 on: December 11, 2015, 02:09:28 PM »
Seems like everyone's chill in New Hampshire

It's sort of surprising until you realize everyone in NH is over 60.

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« Reply #235 on: December 11, 2015, 09:24:11 PM »
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/daily-show-good-guy-with-gun-debunk

Big surprise, some pampered beta clown with a trendy Macklemore haircut that treated the entire process like a joke failed miserably.

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« Reply #236 on: December 11, 2015, 09:37:07 PM »
Just so we're clear drew.  You aren't a good guy with a gun.
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« Reply #237 on: December 11, 2015, 09:40:55 PM »
And you know me, how exactly?  My post history?

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« Reply #238 on: December 11, 2015, 09:49:31 PM »
I'm going to plug that chart into Stata and run a regression this weekend.

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