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bluemax

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http://abc7.com/news/ucla-on-lockdown-amid-reports-of-shooting/1366494/

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All these posts on my facebook about thoughts and prayers, zero posts about fixing mental health issues in this country.
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'Thoughts and prayers' is really the least amount of shit you could give.
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That's the standard response from GOP politicians whenever something like this happens. They'll only ever mention mental health issues when Democrats start talking gun control, but that all goes away once the debate settles down.
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bluemax

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'Thoughts and prayers' is really the least amount of shit you could give.

What got me was someone I know posted the lame thoughts and prayers thing and she's someone who works in public health and worked in the building where the shooting happened when she was in school.

Sigh.
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Over / under on Repubs giving their thoughts and prayers to the Orlando gay community ?
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Christopher Hansen said he was in the VIP lounge when he started hearing gunshots.
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benjipwns

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Over / under on Repubs giving their thoughts and prayers to the Orlando gay community ?
Whew, we're saved:
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At a press conference on Sunday at 7 a.m., FBI assistant agent in charge of the agency's Tampa division Ron Hopper was asked if the shooter, who was shot and killed by police, had ties to Jihadist terror groups. "At this time we're looking at all angles right now." the official said. "We do have suggestions that that individual may have leanings towards that, that particular ideology. But right now we can’t say definitively so we’re still running everything around”

The FBI also said the shooter "was organized and well-prepared," adding "he is not from this area."

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If it's terrorism, then we don't have to pretend to have a discussion about gun violence. :rejoice
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Oh god, I am not listening to anything for the next week or so.  Dude was Muslim, the people killed were gay, and th guy had an arsenal of guns.

That's a field of land mines that people are going to conveniently navigate to argue for something stupid.
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I'm just glad all my friends in the area are safe. Think I've heard from everyone
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Over / under on Repubs giving their thoughts and prayers to the Orlando gay community ?

Go look at @igorvolsky's twitter page.

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I don't know if this is new or not, but facebook has the ability to "mark safe" if your in the area and can see who hasn't checked yet. Really interesting tool for friends and family
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Its been around
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I feel like throwing up. I was at the Boston Pride parade yesterday and this is the first thing I see after waking up.

Now I just want to go back to sleep.
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Abrahamic religion  :kobeyuck
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still trying to decide whether the silence on my fb feed makes me more angry or relived
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most negative comments i'm seeing put up now are like "ironic these are the same liberals constantly preaching about tolerance"

a. that's not ironic, IT'S JUST COINCIDENTIAL
2. apparently all gay people are lieberals just like the hispanics

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And the built in assumption that all muslims are dangerous. "This wouldn't have happened, if..." what? We could see inside people's heads, or thrown them all out? Same old shit as always.

benjipwns

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also something something open borders something something ignore he's an american

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all comments I see: it's either ONLY about guns or ONLY about (Islamic) terrorism

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Will we have to endure conservative politicians who more or less think LGBT people don't have the right to exist using this to drum up more support for our bloated morass of a security state?

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all comments I see: it's either ONLY about guns or ONLY about (Islamic) terrorism

The asshole was on a watchlist by the FBI.  Of course he shouldn't have been able to acquire a goddamned gun.

This is about hate and ease of gun ownership.  Who gives a shit about religion.
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most negative comments i'm seeing put up now are like "ironic these are the same liberals constantly preaching about tolerance"

a. that's not ironic, IT'S JUST COINCIDENTIAL
2. apparently all gay people are lieberals just like the hispanics

A source close to the Trump campaign has confirmed that Trump is doing well with the hispanics.
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benjipwns

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Will we have to endure conservative politicians who more or less think LGBT people don't have the right to exist using this to drum up more support for our bloated morass of a security state?
You can't be cured of the gay and made into an upstanding moral citizen if you're dead.

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all comments I see: it's either ONLY about guns or ONLY about (Islamic) terrorism

The asshole was on a watchlist by the FBI.  Of course he shouldn't have been able to acquire a goddamned gun.

This is about hate and ease of gun ownership.  Who gives a shit about religion.

I don't think anything could have been done and I'm pretty pro-gun control. His father mentions that the guy has apparently a history of getting really mad at gay dudes and his ex-wife who divorced him told the media after the attack that he was mentally unstable and would beat her. So it's clear he has a personal issue with gay dudes and a violent personality. That makes focusing on screening people of an Islamic background pointless as that would in no way solve the underlying issue but just make homophobic Muslims feel extra justification to carry out these attacks.

The other thing is that he was not convicted or charged with anything by the FBI and apparently there are like 9-10,000 people every year who are investigated by them for possible connections to terrorism (only ~hundred a year are actually doing anything though). I can't in my mind justify taking away an individuals rights to something when they haven't even been charged with anything.

I think the only two ways to have prevented this guy is for his ex-wife to have pressed charges against him back when they were together or for a massive change in laws on who can get a gun. There's nothing else I can think of.

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Will we have to endure conservative politicians who more or less think LGBT people don't have the right to exist using this to drum up more support for our bloated morass of a security state?
You can't be cured of the gay and made into an upstanding moral citizen if you're dead.

Oh I get the calculus, it just would be nice if something was a third rail to offset the infinite willingness to turn the state into a vehicle for furthering the warped morality of some people into our shared warped morality.

benjipwns

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If the state won't enforce my warped morality onto everyone then what good is it?!?

Phoenix Dark

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Ted Cruz's statement was especially rich given that he palled around all election season with a pastor who advocates gay murder.
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Phoenix Dark

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Ted Cruz's statement was especially rich given that he palled around all election season with a pastor who advocates gay murder.

Abrahamic religion :kobeyuck
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also something something open borders something something ignore he's an american

Step 1 is build a wall/deport/stop mooslems from coming into the country.
Step 2 will obviously be mooslem camps.
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I still don't get the reasoning behind  the father saying "he saw some dudes kissing in Miami a couple of month ago so that's why he went to Orlando and did this."
 :mindblown
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This country is divided on this shooting

1/2 blame guns

1/2 blame muslims


Me? I blame the asshole who did it. Is it really that hard to do?
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brawndolicious

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I still don't get the reasoning behind  the father saying "he saw some dudes kissing in Miami a couple of month ago so that's why he went to Orlando and did this."
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He's blaming his son for being a homophobe so that Islam doesn't get blamed. My recollection of Muslim men (especially those who grew up in western countries) is there are those who try to show that they like gay people and those who hate them. Probably has to do with how afraid the men are of being gay.

Brehvolution

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2 months of dreaming about dudes kissing must have been the breaking point. Sad.
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If this is true, I am gonna blame his shitty ass religion, sorry. (In addition to his ability to easily buy a semi-automatic rifle)

http://gawker.com/orlando-shooter-was-reportedly-a-regular-at-pulse-and-h-1781920316
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lol employed by G4S n dreamt of being a police officer, but ya deff latent muslimism that drove him to shoot up a bunch of latino queers

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Anytime Islam comes up in the background of someone committing a mass murder, that instantly becomes the overriding factor for a significant slice of Americans. Nothing else even matters at that point.
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Pound of salt and all that, but a new twist:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/orlando-shooter-reported-pulse-club-regular-patrons-article-1.2672445?cid=bitly
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Omar Mateen lived a double life.

The homophobic maniac who murdered 49 people inside Orlando’s gay-friendly nightclub Pulse Sunday morning had been hanging out there for three years — and chatted with men via online dating services like Grindr, said multiple witnesses who claimed to have firsthand knowledge of Mateen’s habits.
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A former classmate of Omar Mateen’s 2006 police academy class, however, said he believed Mateen was gay.

Speaking to WFTV9 in Orlando, the classmate, who asked not to be named, said he was gay in 2006 but had not yet come out about his sexuality.

Mateen had asked him out, the classmate said.

“We went to a few gay bars with him, and I was not out at the time, so I declined his offer,” the former classmate said.

“He just wanted to fit in and no one liked him,” he said. “He was always socially awkward,” the classmate told WFTV9.

Mateen, who had married again, this time to Noor Salman who bore him a son, also visited Pulse several times over the past three years, according to club patrons.

One couple, who work together as drag-dancing performers, said they’d seen Mateen as many as a dozen times at Pulse.

Ty Smith and Chris Callen also said they’d seen him escorted drunk from the club more than once.
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He estimates Mateen began showing up about three years ago. Everybody was blown away to realize he was the man responsible for the slaughter.

“It’s shocking to everyone because we saw him there before,” said Callen.

He said one night Mateen got angry about a religious joke and pulled a knife on a friend. But it was nothing the friend couldn’t handle, Callen said.
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Another report claimed Mateen was known to contact men on gay online apps. At least one man came forward Monday to say Mateen had contacted him on Grindr, according to MSNBC.

The man also said he knew friends who’d been contacted by Mateen on Jack’d and Adam4Adam, other online gay dating services.

Callen and Smith said Mateen liked to let loose at Pulse in a way he could not around his religious family at home.

“(He’d get) really, really drunk. ... He couldn’t drink when he was at home — around his wife, or family. His father was really strict. ... He used to bitch about it,” Smith told Canadian Press.

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Muslim man living in the closet sad sad sad

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I dropped this in the USA politics thread, but realized it should be mentioned here as well:

http://thedailybanter.com/2016/06/if-bill-oreilly-believes-its-time-for-gun-control/

The tide, possibly the very beginnings of the tide, are turning.


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Surprising:
http://wonkette.com/602990/this-utah-republican-publicly-mourning-gay-orlando-victims-will-make-you-ugly-cry
We all have bets as to how long until he's excommunicated.
I dunno. I honestly believe the majority of people are more tolerant than the noisy extremists would have us believe. This is true for left- and right-wing, christians and muslims, and doubly true for buddhists-who-don't-live-in-California.

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C-Span is live-streaming the Dem sit-in at the House from someone's cell phone because Paul Ryan had the official cameras shut off:

http://www.c-span.org/video/?411624-1/democratic-sitin-gun-violence-continues&live=
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Has there been another time when the cameras were told to be shut off?
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Has there been another time when the cameras were told to be shut off?
IIRC Democrats did it to Republicans in '08 or something.  The rule is that cameras are off when Congress isn't in session so they end the session, cameras turn off.

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the faux outrage when Ryan demanded the cameras be turned off tells you everything you need to know.
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Fuck em all. When 90% of the country agrees on anything and you can't make it happen, just fuck you.

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Sit in ended with jack shit achieved: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/democrats-end-gun-control-sit-after-more-24-hours-house-n597741

They could've done this for a whole week and it wouldn't have gotten Paul Ryan to bring any of their bills up for a vote. But on the other hand, the GOP is already in a tough spot because of Trump, so maybe these kinds of protests can keep the heat on them and make flipping control of Congress more likely.
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Anyone with a Facebook account has likely already seen this, but MAN what a stupid tragedy:
http://nypost.com/2016/06/25/mom-kills-two-daughters-is-fatally-shot-by-police/

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“It would be horribly tragic if my ability to protect myself or my family were to be taken away, but that’s exactly what Democrats are determined to do by banning semi-automatic handguns,” she wrote on March 2.

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“It would be horribly tragic if my ability to protect myself or my family were to be taken away, but that’s exactly what Democrats are determined to do by banning semi-automatic handguns,” she wrote on March 2.

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Yeah, it's those "responsible gun owners" we hear so much about. Sure, she'd be regretting her decision to kill her own children over a petty argument if she'd survived, but all we've got now is a dad who probably will be spending the rest of his life wondering if he could have done something more. Those poor girls. I can only imagine how much less tragic this situation would have been if Responsible Gun Freedom Mom had only had a rolling pin or knife with which to go at her offspring.

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If two blonde white teen girls getting capped by their pro gun rights mom wont change gun laws nothing will

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If two blonde white teen girls getting capped by their pro gun rights mom wont change gun laws nothing will

Nothing will.

I realized America will tear itself apart rather than rationally face gun control discussion when nothing went anywhere after Sandy Hook. If a room full of dead children isn't going to change your mind, nothing will.

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I don't even remember what Sandy Hook was cause there have been like 10 shootings afterwards