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etiolate

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« Reply #5040 on: April 21, 2017, 09:06:58 PM »
A fellow former classmate of mine posted this to facebook.

https://medium.com/defiant/a-lot-of-what-you-know-about-north-korea-is-racist-nonsense-a625256b51cc

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Western propaganda draws from a deep well of racist “yellow peril” prejudice to stoke irrational fears against this tiny, poor, isolated country, and it amplifies this paranoia with long-standing stereotypes of East Asian “oddity” to dehumanize North Koreans and justify U.S. aggression against them.

I want to bring this up to tell Jack that I did not respond to him or the other classmate reposting it. I assure you that this defense of North Korea via the a-typical condemnation of the US is crazier than anything your conservative or bernie friend's post.

Ain't nobody fucking stupid enough to nod their head to that article that's going to care what I say. Leave the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows alone and watch them to see what shit is being said. That's my advice.

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« Reply #5041 on: April 21, 2017, 09:39:45 PM »
take that, distinguished mentally-challenged fellows
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« Reply #5042 on: April 21, 2017, 10:44:48 PM »
A fellow former classmate of mine posted this to facebook.

https://medium.com/defiant/a-lot-of-what-you-know-about-north-korea-is-racist-nonsense-a625256b51cc

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Western propaganda draws from a deep well of racist “yellow peril” prejudice to stoke irrational fears against this tiny, poor, isolated country, and it amplifies this paranoia with long-standing stereotypes of East Asian “oddity” to dehumanize North Koreans and justify U.S. aggression against them.

I want to bring this up to tell Jack that I did not respond to him or the other classmate reposting it. I assure you that this defense of North Korea via the a-typical condemnation of the US is crazier than anything your conservative or bernie friend's post.

Ain't nobody fucking stupid enough to nod their head to that article that's going to care what I say. Leave the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows alone and watch them to see what shit is being said. That's my advice.


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« Reply #5043 on: April 22, 2017, 01:44:28 AM »
So the aircraft carrier group wasn't even going to North Korea ? :trumps
What a shitty conman.

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« Reply #5044 on: April 22, 2017, 03:33:45 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/20/politics/kfile-sessions-psychoanalyze/index.html

Weird, it's almost like Jeff Sessions doesn't know or doesn't consider a Hawaii a state. We have some brilliant minds running this country now.
Hey buddy some of us consider the illegal overthrow, occupation and annexation of the Kingdom of Hawai'i to be an illegitimate act. :bolo

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« Reply #5045 on: April 22, 2017, 03:49:03 AM »
ANTIFA isn't a few people from Berkeley. This isn't the same as people getting stoned at Santa Cruz. ANTIFA travels around to commit violence. They believe silly things, but they way they operate leads to escalation. What happens on Berkeley doesn't have to do with the kids in class. It has to do with the police, admin and mayor allowing black bloc types to trash the city. The press then does the PR work for black bloc and tends to cover up what they do. This is partially because groups like ANTIFA threaten them with violence if they don't stick to their narrative or if they film within the black bloc side.

So the entire government of Berkeley lets anarchists do what they want in the city, and the press is covering up. Sounds plausible. If there's one thing that elected officials, cops, and the media all love, it's people who want to overthrow the government and abolish private property  :doge
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« Reply #5046 on: April 22, 2017, 04:21:44 AM »
Sounds like the feel good hit of the spring:
There is a critical scene in Shattered, the new behind-the-scenes campaign diary by Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes, in which staffers in the Hillary Clinton campaign begin to bicker with one another.

At the end of Chapter One...
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Stumped for months by how to explain why their candidate wanted to be president, Clinton staffers began toying with the idea of seeing how "Because it's her turn" might fly as a public rallying cry.

This passage describes the mood inside the campaign early in the Iowa race (emphasis mine):

"There wasn't a real clear sense of why she was in it. Minus that, people want to assign their own motivations – at the very best, a politician who thinks it's her turn," one campaign staffer said. "It was true and earnest, but also received well. We were talking to Democrats, who largely didn't think she was evil."


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This traced back to 2008, a failed run that the Clintons had concluded was due to the disloyalty and treachery of staff and other Democrats. After that race, Hillary had aides create "loyalty scores" (from one for most loyal, to seven for most treacherous) for members of Congress. Bill Clinton since 2008 had "campaigned against some of the sevens" to "help knock them out of office," apparently to purify the Dem ranks heading into 2016.

Beyond that, Hillary after 2008 conducted a unique autopsy of her failed campaign. This reportedly included personally going back and reading through the email messages of her staffers:

"She instructed a trusted aide to access the campaign's server and download the messages sent and received by top staffers.
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The Clinton campaign in 2016, for instance, never saw the Bernie Sanders campaign as being driven by millions of people who over the course of decades had become dissatisfied with the party. They instead saw one cheap stunt pulled by an illegitimate back-bencher, foolishness that would be ended if Sanders himself could somehow be removed.

"Bill and Hillary had wanted to put [Sanders] down like a junkyard dog early on," Allen and Parnes wrote. The only reason they didn't, they explained, was an irritating chance problem: Sanders "was liked," which meant going negative would backfire.

Hillary had had the same problem with Barack Obama, with whom she and her husband had elected to go heavily negative in 2008, only to see that strategy go very wrong. "It boomeranged," as it's put in Shattered.
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They were determined not to make the same mistake in 2016.
Jack Remington, everybody.

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« Reply #5047 on: April 22, 2017, 06:51:29 AM »
sometimes i read the five star reviews for conservative books i've heard about that came out that week

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The Unholy Trinity: Blocking the Left's Assault on Life, Marriage, and Gender Hardcover – March 28, 2017
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5.0 out of 5 starsIf it Makes You Uncomfortable, It's Probably True
ByMiss Franzon March 28, 2017
Format: Hardcover
Matt Walsh has this way of saying what so many of us secretly think and feel, but lack either the courage or the eloquence to express openly. In the midst of our culture's ever-changing "values", he is a refreshing voice that makes you feel a little less crazy when you see what Liberals are up to and wonder how you're the only one who thinks it is madness. Hint: you aren't! This is why so many people are finding hope and encouragement in his writing: it is refreshing in it's simplicity but firm and full of calm conviction. He writes the truth, the truth that you've always known, and that somehow everyone is afraid to admit they know is the truth because it breaks so many unwritten social rules. It is inspiring to remember that, no matter how much the Left tries to manipulate Christianity and paint Christ's followers in a hateful light, the truth will a.l.w.a.y.s. prevail.

So, if you feel like you're going a bit mad at what our culture is succumbing to, buy this book; it will cause you to let out a sigh of relief and feel grateful you're nowhere near alone.
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5.0 out of 5 starsShow us how our nation is sliding into Babylon
BySean McGrewon March 28, 2017
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Fantastic read! Walsh pulls no punches in his spot-on assessment of the decline of our culture. He manages to describe our country's slide into Babylon with wit and humor. Very good book for anyone concerned with the direction our nation is heading.
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5.0 out of 5 starsFive Stars
ByNealon March 28, 2017
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An extremely important book of our time.
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5.0 out of 5 starsI really enjoy his writing style
ByAmazon Customeron March 28, 2017
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Matt addresses today's issues in an insightful & honest way. I really enjoy his writing style. Great read.
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5.0 out of 5 starsTruthteller
ByAmazon Customeron March 28, 2017
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Matt Walsh brings the truth to the forefront. He is on point and is taking on the liberal agenda in an in your face style.
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5.0 out of 5 starsGREAT must read
ByThe Captainon March 28, 2017
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Such a great read. I love Matt Walsh and his realist views on the world. Ten thousand thumbs up
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t of 5 starsMatt Walsh speaks truth!
ByA. J. Berkeon March 28, 2017
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Matt Walsh speaks the truth. And please remember that facts don't care about your feelings.
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5.0 out of 5 starsGood read. Worth it
BySara Pembrokeon March 28, 2017
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I don't always agree with Matt, but he always makes me think from angles I hadn't considered. Good read. Worth it. Buy it. Think.
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5.0 out of 5 starsFinally!
ByNaeon March 28, 2017
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Finally someone that speaks the truth without being politically correct! Thank you for writing what should be required reading imho.
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5 starsMatt Walsh is brilliant and an amazing author
ByKristin Salazaron March 28, 2017
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Matt Walsh is brilliant and an amazing author. His writing is articulate and his observations are spot on. Awesome book.
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5.0 out of 5 starsSense in a senseless world
ByVikingmomon March 28, 2017
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If you want to be triggered, this is the book for you. Excellent read.
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t of 5 starsTruth reigns supreme in this book!
ByAmazonianon March 28, 2017
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Matt speaks truth here, just as he does in each of his writings. Consider his words, be honest with yourself, and find your way to the light of truth.
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5.0 out of 5 starsFive Stars
ByAmazon Customeron March 28, 2017
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Fantastic novel written by an eloquent, articulate, entertaining new author. I hope he continues to write books. 100% recommend!
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benjipwns

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« Reply #5048 on: April 22, 2017, 07:08:58 AM »
oh elizabeth warren released a book last week:
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1.0 out of 5 starsOne Star
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Her writing mentor is JK Rowling, so you'll find much sorcery throughout the book..
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5.0 out of 5 starsThis is a first-rate analysis and blueprint for actualizing Bernie Sander's goal of making America like Denmark. Well-done Senat
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Elizabeth Warren and Maxine Waters in 2020! This thoughtful study underscores the need for the Democratic Party to ignore the seemingly endless series of electoral defeats it keeps suffered in face of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" and a biased conservative media to embrace the progressive message. This is a first-rate analysis and blueprint for actualizing Bernie Sander's goal of making America like Denmark. Well-done Senator Warren.
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2.0 out of 5 starsBattle ON Sister
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Consistent with the misguided elite who firmly believe their superior understanding of what should be, needs to be enforced by them. Yes to be sure, they are still in charge when the new more caring world evolves. It is no different from Marxism - people making decisions for others all the while living quite nicely. Saving the middle class - what a joke. This is the group which has pummeled the middle class while creating a Kleptocracy.

Posted immediately on release by someone from Boston whose only other book review in five years is Warren's prior book:
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5.0 out of 5 starsA First-Rate Political and Policy Book for a Perilous Time
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Returning with her second book in office, U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren’s “This Fight Is Our Fight” is a razor-sharp critique of the policy choices – wrought by corporate influence and dark money -- that have imperiled the economic security of America’s middle class. One of the book’s great strengths is that Warren doesn’t focus only on one or two issues, but rather tackles numerous poor policy choices that have led to this moment: a failure to enforce antitrust laws; deregulating the financial industry; crushing unions and workers; allowing public and private student loan lenders to fleece students; and curtailing medical and scientific research.

Warren’s concentration on the economic fragility of America’s middle class ran through her 2014 book, “A Fighting Chance,” and was a constant theme in her scores of books and articles written during her decades as a bankruptcy expert and law professor. What sets “The Fight Is Our Fight” apart is the tone, which is blunter and more impassioned than her 2014 memoir, “A Fighting Chance”). Warren names names in this book, and she isn’t reluctant to shine a light on, among others, the government officials who serve as handmaidens for industry rather than as regulators looking out for everyday Americans. In one outrageous example, Warren’s frustration leaps off the page when she describes a meeting that she had with the Office of Comptroller of Currency during the Bush Administration in which she pressed that agency to clamp down on deceptive credit card practices. After Warren had made her pitch with data and policy prescriptions, the Acting Comptroller (Julie Williams) told Warren while walking her out that “it was too bad” that the agency could never undertake such reforms because “the banks wouldn’t like it.”

Despite the harder-edged tone of “This Fight Is Our Fight,” Warren’s book is compulsively readable. Her prose is straightforward and engaging, but her greatest strength is an ability to illustrate recondite policy arguments through her own biography and through the lives of real people who are struggling to keep their place in the middle class: the Wal-Mart worker who had to quit community college at night because her employer refused to give her a set work schedule; the homeowner who lost his house due to the misleading terms in a refinancing; the student who started, but never finished, art school and now struggles under the burden of crushing student loans; and the couple who have steadily lost pace despite decades of working, saving, and playing by the rules. Warren’s portraits of these people are carefully drawn and detailed, which not only makes them come to life, but provides great force for the policy arguments behind them.

Warren’s “This Fight Is Our Fight” is more than just an excellent political book; it’s a statement of first principles from a political leader of surpassing wisdom, dedication, and compassion. At a time of great upheaval and anxiety in our nation, Warren provides something even more valuable than individual answers to individual problems; she provides concrete reassurance that America can build a better tomorrow if we once again prioritize the needs of millions of working Americans over the narrow interests of a privileged elite. Such reassurance is in short supply right now, which makes Warren’s book an ideal manual for these times.
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« Reply #5049 on: April 22, 2017, 11:50:52 AM »


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Bill Clinton, Bill Cosby, Bill O'Reilly, it's a trend. They are all perverts.
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« Reply #5050 on: April 22, 2017, 11:55:44 AM »
move Tucker up
Eric Bolling just put out a book for the first time, they could probably pull him off The Five and

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By taking O’Reilly out of the mix, the network has moved Tucker Carlson to 8 p.m. ET. Carlson already replaced Megyn Kelly, who left last year to join NBC News. Now, Carlson, who was at 9 p.m. ET, is replacing another big Fox News star.

The 7 p.m. ET slot will still be held by Martha MacCallum. Her hour will continue to be called The First 100 Days until April 28. Her show will then be called The Story with Martha MacCallum.

The biggest change is moving The Five from 5 p.m. ET to 9 p.m. ET. The show got its title from the fact that it features five hosts at 5:00 p.m. Despite the time change, it will still be called The Five because there will only be five hosts on-set at one time. However, regular O’Reilly contributor Jesse Watters will replace Eric Bolling, who is getting his own 5 p.m. show, beginning on May 1.

The only host who gets to stay in his seat during this game of musical chairs is Sean Hannity, who is keeping his 10 p.m. ET slot. Sources told New York Magazine that Hannity likes the 10 p.m. timeslot and didn’t want to move to an earlier time.

guyz rupert murdoch is reading the bore

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« Reply #5051 on: April 22, 2017, 12:19:38 PM »
Thank fucking Christ I won't have to see Tucker's confused dog face staring out from the TVs in the gym any more.

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« Reply #5052 on: April 23, 2017, 04:12:47 PM »
In his first vote on the nation's highest court, newly appointed Justice Neil Gorsuch cast the deciding vote in favor of putting Lee to death.

:trumps
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« Reply #5053 on: April 23, 2017, 06:23:43 PM »

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« Reply #5054 on: April 23, 2017, 06:28:39 PM »
In his first vote on the nation's highest court, newly appointed Justice Neil Gorsuch cast the deciding vote in favor of putting Lee to death.

:trumps

Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee
We're killin' fuckin' Lee :rock
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« Reply #5055 on: April 23, 2017, 09:18:33 PM »
move Tucker up
Eric Bolling just put out a book for the first time, they could probably pull him off The Five and

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By taking O’Reilly out of the mix, the network has moved Tucker Carlson to 8 p.m. ET. Carlson already replaced Megyn Kelly, who left last year to join NBC News. Now, Carlson, who was at 9 p.m. ET, is replacing another big Fox News star.

The 7 p.m. ET slot will still be held by Martha MacCallum. Her hour will continue to be called The First 100 Days until April 28. Her show will then be called The Story with Martha MacCallum.

The biggest change is moving The Five from 5 p.m. ET to 9 p.m. ET. The show got its title from the fact that it features five hosts at 5:00 p.m. Despite the time change, it will still be called The Five because there will only be five hosts on-set at one time. However, regular O’Reilly contributor Jesse Watters will replace Eric Bolling, who is getting his own 5 p.m. show, beginning on May 1.

The only host who gets to stay in his seat during this game of musical chairs is Sean Hannity, who is keeping his 10 p.m. ET slot. Sources told New York Magazine that Hannity likes the 10 p.m. timeslot and didn’t want to move to an earlier time.

guyz rupert murdoch is reading the bore

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« Reply #5056 on: April 23, 2017, 09:39:46 PM »
Hannity accused of sexual harassment...  I loathe him but I've got to say that this surprises me.  I've always seen him as a true believer in all of the "Truth Justice and the American Way" rhetoric.

 But then again, he _had_ to know that Ailes and O'Reilly were harassing women.  And a true believer would have called them out.   So maybe I shouldn't be surprised.


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« Reply #5057 on: April 23, 2017, 09:54:35 PM »
I guess I'm kinda surprised, but at the same time not really. It's hard to imagine that anyone high up at FNC didn't know that this kinda stuff was going on.
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« Reply #5058 on: April 23, 2017, 10:03:24 PM »
After seeing the woman's blog and twitter...I think there may be some other potential reasons she wasn't invited back on his show. Like claiming the Polish intentionally worked with the Nazi's to further the Holocaust. Or saying "one down, two billion to go" after Osama was "killed." Or that the people in the mass shooting in Norway weren't victims because it was karma for them not condemning Islam and Hamas enough.

I mean I hate to defend Hannity, but she is a U of M grad too, so that evil kinda evens out to let me balance the above facts fairly.

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« Reply #5059 on: April 23, 2017, 10:15:19 PM »
move Tucker up
Eric Bolling just put out a book for the first time, they could probably pull him off The Five and

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By taking O’Reilly out of the mix, the network has moved Tucker Carlson to 8 p.m. ET. Carlson already replaced Megyn Kelly, who left last year to join NBC News. Now, Carlson, who was at 9 p.m. ET, is replacing another big Fox News star.

The 7 p.m. ET slot will still be held by Martha MacCallum. Her hour will continue to be called The First 100 Days until April 28. Her show will then be called The Story with Martha MacCallum.

The biggest change is moving The Five from 5 p.m. ET to 9 p.m. ET. The show got its title from the fact that it features five hosts at 5:00 p.m. Despite the time change, it will still be called The Five because there will only be five hosts on-set at one time. However, regular O’Reilly contributor Jesse Watters will replace Eric Bolling, who is getting his own 5 p.m. show, beginning on May 1.

The only host who gets to stay in his seat during this game of musical chairs is Sean Hannity, who is keeping his 10 p.m. ET slot. Sources told New York Magazine that Hannity likes the 10 p.m. timeslot and didn’t want to move to an earlier time.

guyz rupert murdoch is reading the bore

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« Reply #5060 on: April 24, 2017, 12:56:53 PM »
https://apnews.com/c810d7de280a47e88848b0ac74690c83

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TRUMP: I'm rebuilding the military. We have great people. We have great things in place. We have tremendous borders. I mention the F-35 because if I can save $725 million — look at that, that's a massive amount of money. And I'll save more as we make more planes. If I can save that on a small number of planes — Gen. (Jim) Mattis (the defense secretary) said, "I've never seen anything like this," because he had to sign the ultimate (unintelligible) ... He had to sign the ultimate, you know. He said, "I've never seen anything like this before, as long as I've been in the military." You know, that kind of cutting.

AP: Right.

TRUMP: Now, if I can do that (unintelligible) ... As an example, the aircraft carriers, billions of dollars, the Gerald Ford, billions and billions over budget. That won't happen.

AP: Is that something you're going to take on?

TRUMP: (unintelligible)

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« Reply #5061 on: April 24, 2017, 02:41:35 PM »
Unintelligible is when Trump trails off at the end of the end his sentences. He always does it, like he runs out of breath and the end of his sentences end in a whisper. Annoying as fuck.

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« Reply #5062 on: April 24, 2017, 02:43:52 PM »
"I can save more with the more planes we build."

Yes, but you still have to BUY the planes you dolt. You can't be like "I need 50 planes for 50 billion dollars." And then buy "120 planes for 118 billion" because you saved 2 billion overall. You just bought 70 more than you were supposed to.
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« Reply #5063 on: April 24, 2017, 05:07:08 PM »
Trump is like some dude who brags about saving a few bucks on a Porsche 911 and then immediately turns around and puts that money into another car he doesn't need. Also, the roof of his house is caving in, but that's less important than cars.
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« Reply #5064 on: April 24, 2017, 06:37:13 PM »
I thought the cost savings on the f35 program were always planned to be implemented? I think I remember reading something about a schedule where every few years, the marginal cost of manufacturing takes a several hundred million dollar drop.

Like this was part of the contract since a decade ago....

At the end of the day I don't see Trump doing anything to decrease the deficit which is the only number normal people pay attention to, not unless he jacks up inflation somehow.

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« Reply #5065 on: April 24, 2017, 06:44:30 PM »
Trump is like some dude who brags about saving a few bucks on a Porsche 911 and then immediately turns around and puts that money into another car he doesn't need. Also, the roof of his house is caving in, but that's less important than cars.

 He reminds me of this idiot sales and marketing guy employed at my first company.  This jackass was fond of bragging about how he would go to the same mechanic for his car, and the mechanic would give him an estimate. The jack ass would then proceed to try and talk down all of the labor costs, arguing that he was providing return business and the costs were just too high. The sales guy was effectively arguing that the mechanic didn't deserve the money he was earning — for a job that the salesman didn't know how to do, and about which he had no valid insight.

 It was simply about the power relationship involved in that exchange, exerting that power, and winning through someone else's loss. This is exactly the kind of business that Trump practices.

Of course what the sales guy didn't recognize was that the mechanic was just going to jack up the number of hours he was working to make up for the reduced rate, or charge a different labor rate and keep the hours the same.

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« Reply #5066 on: April 24, 2017, 08:03:46 PM »
Knew a guy who ran a body shop who told an anecdote about a similar customer. The guy wasn't comparison shopping and didn't know enough to effectively bargain, but he wanted to feel as if he was getting some small victory, so they'd always inflate the initial quote then come down to a more normal price "just for him."

That's about as good a take on Trump as you'll get. He wants the optics of a triumph, even if he's taking credit for someone else's decisions, or for something wholly illusory. He apparently tried to get the House Freedom Caucus to get on board with the ACA repeal/modification by telling them it would be a "big win," and ignoring anything actually in the bill.

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« Reply #5067 on: April 24, 2017, 08:19:57 PM »
Knew a guy who ran a body shop who told an anecdote about a similar customer. The guy wasn't comparison shopping and didn't know enough to effectively bargain, but he wanted to feel as if he was getting some small victory, so they'd always inflate the initial quote then come down to a more normal price "just for him."

That's about as good a take on Trump as you'll get. He wants the optics of a triumph, even if he's taking credit for someone else's decisions, or for something wholly illusory. He apparently tried to get the House Freedom Caucus to get on board with the ACA repeal/modification by telling them it would be a "big win," and ignoring anything actually in the bill.
Yeah, your example is even more apt: you've got a guy who thinks he's being clever, but EVERYONE else knows how to manipulate him down to where they want him.

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« Reply #5068 on: April 24, 2017, 09:16:15 PM »
The fun thing with Trump though is his core power play strategy doesn't translate well to president, and its amusing to see that lead to constant failure and frustration.

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Trump: "Pass the AHCA Freedom Caucus! Or I will walk away and not reform healthcare anymore!"

FC: "Nah, we're good."

Trump: "Vote for my budget Lieberals! Help me gut environmental regulations and fund a stupid wall. If not I will deny subsidies to millions of people, many that probably voted for me. Then try and blame you for it!!"

Dems: "Bold strategy Cotton, we'll see how that works out for you.

..... Trump on pace to have the worst numbers since WWII for any president's first quarter in office.

Turns out his "Art of the Deal" was mostly him scaling up the tactics of the asshole petty tyrant threatening a bad Yelp review to get some free chicken fingers. 

Works when you have leverage and no real consequences, like threatening to relocate a project to another city in order to get a desperate mayor to grovel back to you. Not so well when walking away just means you look like that Mayor that failed to close the deal and now is perceived as ineffective at his job.
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« Reply #5069 on: April 24, 2017, 09:33:01 PM »
There's also the issue with Trump actually be pretty bad at business in general, failing across multiple industries and really only being good at scamming people into covering for his own failures.
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« Reply #5070 on: April 24, 2017, 09:51:22 PM »
There's also the issue with Trump actually be pretty bad at business in general, failing across multiple industries and really only being good at scamming people into covering for his own failures.

It's also maddening entertaining to watch Trump try to turn the Executive Branch into a family business on the level of WWE.

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« Reply #5071 on: April 24, 2017, 10:13:55 PM »
There's also the issue with Trump actually be pretty bad at business in general, failing across multiple industries and really only being good at scamming people into covering for his own failures.

For sure. He may be able to power play occasionally for a deal in the private sector, but leave it to Trump to find a way to mis-manage funds so badly he bankrupts a rigged business model built on loyal addicted customers.

Probably his one strength is managing to fail regularly and still make some money in the aggregate, while maintaining a positive enough brand image to still swindle the next mark. Which come to think of it, feels similar to how his presidency is playing out.


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« Reply #5072 on: April 25, 2017, 04:25:16 AM »
As much as I hate to admit it, I never knew that by watching The Apprentice all those years I was actually doing valuable political science research. Absolutely nothing about the last two years has surprised me all that much other than him winning. (And that one Matt Taibbi column almost convinced me he had an actual chance.)

He even kicked out all the actual business people who used to be guests/judges to mostly just feature his kids, wife and their stupid things like Trump Steaks or Ivanka's jewelry!

The clearest was his first season decision making process compared to later and then especially when it became the celebrity version. He increasingly made it so the tasks were merely time filler and it became about him trying to find ways to fire the people he decided to fire from the start and get the final two he always wanted. He would regularly break his own rules for the show while being just scandalized if anyone else did. The celebrity version was just nonsensical and mostly about him trying to make them fight with each other so I gave up on it. There's an Adam Carolla podcast out there where he has fellow contestants Penn Jillette and Dee Snider on and they talk about how they all were under the impression that everything the producers told them about rules and stuff mattered but they quickly came to realize it was all about manipulating Trump.

The first season he's kinda nervous about everything and leans heavily on the business people's advice and then makes it his own judgement. After about halfway through the second season he's more or less thrown out the business component of the show except for the one time when this team failed a sales task by somehow losing money which was pretty fucking hard to ignore. :lol

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« Reply #5073 on: April 25, 2017, 04:41:02 AM »


 :lol forgot this

on the podcast he said that trump was like massively pissed off and was all "why are you doing this to me? play along" and trump refused to give him and mario andretti (other person fired spoilers sry) money for their charity iirc (normally trump...well nbc...would give a token $10,000 or $20,000 to everybody's charity if they hadn't won any money)

they keep showing Lou Ferrigno because he fought with basically everyone so they'd bring him back and Trump could always get him to freak out about something

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« Reply #5074 on: April 25, 2017, 07:52:04 AM »
you used a clip of and descriptions of a reality show as part of an analysis of the mentality and decision making process of the President of the United States

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« Reply #5075 on: April 25, 2017, 09:21:23 AM »
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“We have a new energy but we don’t have a new brand,” said Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan, who gained national attention in November for unsuccessfully challenging House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi for her leadership role. “I would think that if the Democratic Party had a halfway decent national brand or an exciting, affirmative agenda, that we would have been able to get at least a couple more percentage points in the Georgia [special election where Democrat Jon Ossoff fell just short of 50 percent last week]. We had a great candidate and great energy running under a very negative brand.”
uh hello, the work was already done Tim:

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« Reply #5076 on: April 25, 2017, 10:22:21 AM »
NO QUIT
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Did they have SNK's localizers on as campaign staff?
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« Reply #5077 on: April 25, 2017, 02:26:00 PM »
Of course it all comes down to branding, because what is politics but advertising

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« Reply #5078 on: April 25, 2017, 02:46:20 PM »
Renewing our basic bargain? :lol


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« Reply #5080 on: April 25, 2017, 03:21:28 PM »
doxxing for clicks
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« Reply #5081 on: April 25, 2017, 03:44:53 PM »
What will be worse for his reputation? Founding the subreddit, or going under "Pk_atheist"?

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« Reply #5082 on: April 25, 2017, 03:57:50 PM »
Being anti-feminist will be worse for his rep. There isn't enough religious people in the press for him to get shit for that. Leaving the church is less controversial than criticizing feminism.

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« Reply #5083 on: April 25, 2017, 04:09:35 PM »
I had his constituency in mind.

Also, being anti-feminist and critizising feminism are rather different things.

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« Reply #5084 on: April 25, 2017, 04:33:47 PM »
Also the guy just hates women.
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« Reply #5085 on: April 25, 2017, 04:33:50 PM »
I had his constituency in mind.

Also, being anti-feminist and critizising feminism are rather different things.

I agree but stuff like "you are for us or against us" in some places had let us to a point that people think that people think that feminist frequency is edgy.

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« Reply #5086 on: April 25, 2017, 04:52:56 PM »
I had his constituency in mind.

Also, being anti-feminist and critizising feminism are rather different things.

Well one is a group and the other is an action, but once you perform the action then you'll get lumped into the group. *shrug*

Don't really know his area, but it could be ultra religious.

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« Reply #5087 on: April 25, 2017, 05:14:19 PM »
Since China something something, Canada is our new greatest threat:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/856847826663460865
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« Reply #5088 on: April 25, 2017, 05:20:37 PM »
if y'all just stop putting it in bags then there won't be no god damned milk war

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« Reply #5089 on: April 25, 2017, 06:19:33 PM »
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Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) introduced a bill calling for the use of $14 billion seized from cartel drug lord Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman to be used to pay for the President’s border wall between the U.S. and Mexico.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/04/25/ted-cruz-calls-14-billion-seized-el-chapo-fund-border-wall/

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« Reply #5090 on: April 25, 2017, 06:28:34 PM »
What will be worse for his reputation? Founding the subreddit, or going under "Pk_atheist"?

PK FIYAH
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« Reply #5091 on: April 25, 2017, 06:53:47 PM »
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« Reply #5093 on: April 25, 2017, 08:12:58 PM »
Monuments to treason.

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« Reply #5094 on: April 26, 2017, 09:08:19 AM »
Since China something something, Canada is our new greatest threat:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/856847826663460865

Friendship ended with Canada, China is now my best friend.
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« Reply #5095 on: April 26, 2017, 10:52:06 AM »
It's because Ivanka looked at Trudeau the way Donald wishes she'd look at him.


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« Reply #5097 on: April 26, 2017, 02:12:26 PM »
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A Minnesota native, Stewart transferred to Georgetown University after a year at St. Olaf College in Northfield, Minnesota, and was the first member of his family to graduate from college.[38] He also graduated from the William Mitchell College of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota, and afterwards decided to settle in Virginia.[38] Stewart works as an international trade attorney, and he and his family live in Bel Air, a historic colonial-era plantation house in Woodbridge.[38] He met his wife, Maria, who is from Sweden, after spending a year teaching English in Japan before law school.
maybe he means southern Japan

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« Reply #5098 on: April 26, 2017, 02:59:32 PM »
St. Olaf College, born and raised. Georgetown was where I spent most of my days. Chillin' out, maxin', relaxin' all cool. Being an international trade attorney outside of the school. When a couple of cucks, they were up to no good, started dissing the confederecy in my neighborhood. I started one twitter fight and my mom got scared and she said you're moving with your family to a planation called Bel Air.
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« Reply #5099 on: April 26, 2017, 03:10:32 PM »
It's because Ivanka looked at Trudeau the way Donald wishes she'd look at him.