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« Reply #12360 on: January 06, 2018, 12:44:02 PM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/949618475877765120

i'm, like, really smart and stuff :derp



I’m not sure which makes this moment in American history more farcical, that the Commander in Chief of the global hegemon is a walking embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, or that eventually, post-contemporaneous accounts of this presidency are going to have to devout entire chapters to the enormous daily influencing role of fucking Steve Doocy:











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« Reply #12361 on: January 06, 2018, 02:53:48 PM »
I’m sorry but sloppy Steve is the best one yet, specifically because it has hints of vulgarity.

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« Reply #12362 on: January 06, 2018, 04:38:37 PM »
I’m sorry but sloppy Steve is the best one yet, specifically because it has hints of vulgarity.

It's the opposite for me. I just can't get behind a nickname that puts two words together that no person's imagination should be involuntarily forced to inhabit in the same mental image.

It's like a GOATSE troll by the brain :kobeyuck


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« Reply #12363 on: January 06, 2018, 04:55:44 PM »
Fuckin’ Flynn (that one’s only used behind closed doors)
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« Reply #12365 on: January 06, 2018, 05:29:00 PM »
should drug testing be required for unemployment pay?
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« Reply #12366 on: January 06, 2018, 06:14:34 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/opinion/sunday/alt-right-asian-fetish.html

This article is such trash it got dunked on by Mike Cernovich.

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/949763065335095297

It's full of all the racist ideas popular in the progressive left that the Dems have to kick out of their message. It's not exactly a shocker the idiot writer assumes a Persian is Asian because she thinks every middle easterner looks like the baddies from Indiana Jones. It's just hilarious that they did it in an attempt to attack racists.

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« Reply #12367 on: January 06, 2018, 06:31:01 PM »
Slovenly Steve is way more accurate, but I suppose that's a reach, vocabulary wise for ole' Dilettante Donald.

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« Reply #12368 on: January 06, 2018, 08:18:48 PM »
Sloppy Steve
Floppin' Flynn
Ebola Etoilet
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« Reply #12369 on: January 06, 2018, 08:29:09 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/opinion/sunday/alt-right-asian-fetish.html

This article is such trash it got dunked on by Mike Cernovich.

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/949763065335095297

It's full of all the racist ideas popular in the progressive left that the Dems have to kick out of their message. It's not exactly a shocker the idiot writer assumes a Persian is Asian because she thinks every middle easterner looks like the baddies from Indiana Jones. It's just hilarious that they did it in an attempt to attack racists.
Persia was in Asia. :ufup

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« Reply #12370 on: January 06, 2018, 08:29:46 PM »
I am the light. :rejoice

Fear me dorks  :woken

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« Reply #12371 on: January 06, 2018, 08:32:57 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/opinion/sunday/alt-right-asian-fetish.html

This article is such trash it got dunked on by Mike Cernovich.

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/949763065335095297

It's full of all the racist ideas popular in the progressive left that the Dems have to kick out of their message. It's not exactly a shocker the idiot writer assumes a Persian is Asian because she thinks every middle easterner looks like the baddies from Indiana Jones. It's just hilarious that they did it in an attempt to attack racists.
Persia was in Asia. :ufup

Russia is in Asia, too

 :putin

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« Reply #12372 on: January 06, 2018, 09:45:40 PM »
I’m sorry but sloppy Steve is the best one yet, specifically because it has hints of vulgarity.

It's the opposite for me. I just can't get behind a nickname that puts two words together that no person's imagination should be involuntarily forced to inhabit in the same mental image.

It's like a GOATSE troll by the brain :kobeyuck

I don’t know, he looks like the type of dude that licks some other dudes load out of his wife’s snatch.

I always turn those videos off st that point, because it disgusts me, but assuredly they all look sort of like Steve bannon. Fat white dudes in their 50s/early 60s.

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« Reply #12373 on: January 06, 2018, 10:31:57 PM »
should drug testing be required for unemployment pay?

underrated shitpost

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« Reply #12374 on: January 07, 2018, 08:36:48 AM »
retrospective:
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Speaking at a breakfast in Boulder, Colo., Howard Dean recalled signing a civil-union bill when he was governor of Vermont and said, ''A great many L.G.B.T. groups -- for those of you who are not initiated, that's shorthand for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender groups -- asked me to come speak all around the country.'' On one of those occasions, Dr. Dean was complimented on his appearance. ''There's a term for that,'' he said. ''It's called metrosexual.''

A Denver Post reporter, Joey Bunch, put Dean's use of the word high in his coverage, which was picked up widely. However, the reporter noted, ''then he waffled.'' The candidate quickly added a comment dissociating himself from knowledge of, or approval or disapproval of, the new narcissism: ''I'm a square. I've heard the term, but I don't know what it means.''

LGBTM

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« Reply #12375 on: January 07, 2018, 12:00:00 PM »
his correction is actually quite accurate and honest

i always thought it was funny that the sorta boring, totally centrist, pragmatic square of a governor was turned into a firebrand leftist and had such nutroots support when he didn't even totally oppose the Iraq War as much as it being done without the UN, etc., his health care plan was to the right of the other candidates (let alone the ones four years later) and based around tax credits, he had supported school vouchers, didn't want a whole host of further gun bans and restrictions, campaigned on his record balancing budgets including by cutting government, became the first Democrat to ever opt out of the public financing for campaigns system...yet you would've thought he was closer to Dennis Kucinich and a Department of Peace, when he was probably only to the "left" of Joe Lieberman on military stuff and because his hand was forced on civil unions (lol at that compromise back in the day)

and that was all before his infamous SCREAM which was after he had already lost the whole thing


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« Reply #12376 on: January 07, 2018, 12:00:48 PM »
JOHN DERBYSHIRE ON CHARLES MURRAY, talk about a must read!

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« Reply #12377 on: January 07, 2018, 12:12:59 PM »
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“Please, Nominate This Man” Reconsidered
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Kathryn, I know you are joking, but I have gotten a lot of genuinely angry complaints that NR helped bring Dean down with our “Please, Nominate This Man” cover. A couple of points for all you out there steamed about that cover (especially today!): 1) Democrats probably were going to figure out that Dean was a disaster with or without us, but our cover may have helped. 2) We’re not in the business of hiding our opinions, and our opinion was a Dean nomination would be catastrophic for the Democrats—so we publicized that opinion in the most dramatic way we could. 3) To the extent the cover did hurt Dean (I’m still amazed at how many liberal Democrats are aware of that cover), I’m glad since he was a noxious influence on the Democrats and our national politics. We should want the Democrats to be as reasonable and responsible as possible, and at least John Kerry is more of both of those things than Howard Dean.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/75695
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« Reply #12378 on: January 07, 2018, 02:58:13 PM »
Bannon back on that Trump dicc. :mouf
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« Reply #12379 on: January 07, 2018, 06:19:29 PM »
I remember stories about Dean's wife not campaigning for him. Not treated as a real controversy, but as something that was weird enough to warrant an explanation.

After Trump and Roy Moore, all this shit feels so quaint.

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« Reply #12380 on: January 07, 2018, 06:53:26 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/950103659337134080

The Gorilla Channel must have had some good shows this weekend.
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kingv

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« Reply #12381 on: January 07, 2018, 07:22:26 PM »
Wikileaks just posted the whol Michael Wolff book. What are they just doing piracy now?

Where is season 7 of game of thrones?

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« Reply #12382 on: January 07, 2018, 08:01:55 PM »
Wikileaks just posted the whol Michael Wolff book. What are they just doing piracy now?

Where is season 7 of game of thrones?

Reddit already has those spoilers.
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« Reply #12383 on: January 07, 2018, 08:31:14 PM »
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/367853-trump-starting-workday-later-to-spend-more-time-watching-tv-and
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President Trump is starting his official workday later and spending more time in the mornings watching TV and tweeting, Axios reported Sunday.

Trump’s day is now starting around 11 a.m. and he is also holding far fewer meetings during his workday, Axios reported after viewing copies of Trump’s private schedule.

The first part of Trump’s day is known as “Executive Time.” According to the schedule, it takes place in the Oval Office, but officials told Axios it actually takes place in the White House residence and consists of Trump watching TV and tweeting.
Trump reportedly arrives in the Oval Office for his intelligence briefing at 11 a.m., his first meeting of the day. He also returns to the residence by 6 p.m.

Shit, I never knew I was supposed to get credited for my internet fuckery while employed. Now that I'm working for myself, it's just wasted time…

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« Reply #12384 on: January 07, 2018, 08:33:48 PM »
Wow a president that's just like me after all!
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kingv

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« Reply #12385 on: January 07, 2018, 09:15:22 PM »
The less Trump works the better, IMO.

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« Reply #12386 on: January 07, 2018, 09:35:32 PM »


I have to take an executive shit.
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« Reply #12387 on: January 07, 2018, 11:19:03 PM »
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I have to take an executive shit.

That's called "priming the pump," a phrase created by the same creative President who set "creative" precedent with "Executive Time" for wasted time used by the top of the Executive Branch.

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« Reply #12388 on: January 07, 2018, 11:39:55 PM »
How long before he goes down the Reagan path and requires midday naps too?

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« Reply #12389 on: January 07, 2018, 11:44:12 PM »
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Trump’s schedule is significantly shorter than those of past presidents. Former President George W. Bush would arrive in the Oval Office by 6:45 a.m., and former President Obama would arrive between 9 and 10 a.m. after his morning workout.
smh obama setting a bad precident :wag

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« Reply #12390 on: January 07, 2018, 11:58:11 PM »
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Trump’s schedule is significantly shorter than those of past presidents. Former President George W. Bush would arrive in the Oval Office by 6:45 a.m., and former President Obama would arrive between 9 and 10 a.m. after his morning workout.
smh obama setting a bad precident :wag

#45 is just conserving his finite energy. What did you expect him to waste it on morning workouts? That's called being smart.

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« Reply #12391 on: January 08, 2018, 12:22:52 AM »
Trump, like many other intellectuals have come to realize that humans can only work effectively for a short period of time before diminishing, and eventually negative returns come into play.

Hopefully he'll spearhead the 28 hour workweek as one of his campaign issues next election.  :doge

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« Reply #12392 on: January 08, 2018, 09:06:05 AM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/950103659337134080

The Gorilla Channel must have had some good shows this weekend.

In other words, it won't happen
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« Reply #12393 on: January 08, 2018, 10:21:53 AM »
Meanwhile, at Mar A Lago...



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« Reply #12394 on: January 08, 2018, 10:31:25 AM »
Jake Tapper did an interview with Mr. Burns


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« Reply #12395 on: January 08, 2018, 12:45:59 PM »
Here's the thing. Team Trump is smart to keep being like "The American people don't care about you and your fake news. We care about the manufacturing people out of jobs!"
That talk track has and will continue to take them far. Especially since the democrats are still focusing on identity politics and thinking that they can win the next election because they're not Trump (didn't work for Hillary). Really the DNC should be shouting from the roof tops that Trump isn't doing anything for those people, but they aren't. You hear peeps about it. But they're too caught up in righteous indignation to do anything effectual.  So Trump will continue to play that talk-track and it will continue to convince the stupid.
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« Reply #12396 on: January 08, 2018, 01:07:43 PM »
I guess it’s all relative.... but he’s still incredibly unpopular. I don’t see how that changes during his term, really.

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« Reply #12397 on: January 08, 2018, 01:08:58 PM »
I guess it’s all relative.... but he’s still incredibly unpopular. I don’t see how that changes during his term, really.
Doesn't matter if all his supporters go and vote, the dems base stays the same, and the rest stay home.
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« Reply #12398 on: January 08, 2018, 01:14:48 PM »
His base has shrunk too. And he's definitely not winning Florida this time, Puerto Ricans will not forget 2017.

Nola

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« Reply #12399 on: January 08, 2018, 01:30:33 PM »
Eh, There have been maybe less than a half dozen times in the last century where the party in power in the White House didn’t lose major seats in a mid-term. And none had a president this unpopular.

I think 1934, after 9/11, 98 with Clinton and maybe 1 or 2 more.

I think where this stuff may bite them is in 2020. Democrats seem to respond much more to positive, idealistic campaigning over negativity and fear like Trump thrives with. And not sure I see anyone fitting that well. It will once again be a battle of mobilization in key states, and Trump only needs to lose or have sit home a few people out of every 100 Trump supporters in key states, or a few more Democrats show up in key states to win it. So the challenge isn’t great but it’s there.

Though I guess I kind of see Trumps presidency much differentally. On the campaign trail he made populist economic appeals and overtures, as president he has basically abandoned that for his own identity politics and focused heavily on culture wars issues, from players kneeling, to Charlottesville, to picking fights with the Ball family, to the news today about the 200,000 Salvadorans. And he will no longer have the blank slate, write-your-own-adventure advantage. His Justice Department is taking a hard stand on marijuana, that even a majority of Republicans are against. He just had the net neutrality fiasco, failed to improve healthcare, the Puerto Rico disaster that ironically feeds more angry voters into a major swing state, and it will be ridiculously easy to hit his administration with charges of rampant cronyism.

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« Reply #12400 on: January 08, 2018, 01:33:23 PM »
I guess it’s all relative.... but he’s still incredibly unpopular. I don’t see how that changes during his term, really.
Doesn't matter if all his supporters go and vote, the dems base stays the same, and the rest stay home.

Don't need to rely on approval polls. There have already been special elections and the Dems have significantly overperformed in basically all of them.

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« Reply #12401 on: January 08, 2018, 02:40:10 PM »
I guess it’s all relative.... but he’s still incredibly unpopular. I don’t see how that changes during his term, really.
Doesn't matter if all his supporters go and vote, the dems base stays the same, and the rest stay home.

This is ignoring VA and Bama though.

And Common sense.

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« Reply #12402 on: January 08, 2018, 02:40:54 PM »
His base has shrunk too. And he's definitely not winning Florida this time, Puerto Ricans will not forget 2017.

Those aren't "TRUE AMERICANS" though  :doge

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« Reply #12405 on: January 08, 2018, 04:29:51 PM »
I agree dems will win big in 2018 but I don't think the end result will be what people think. IE that tax bill isn't being repealed anytime soon, and instead we'll likely see some of the business perks and top rates adjusted. Dems will probably get their own "repeal and replace" fiasco, as republicans have faced over Obamacare.
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« Reply #12406 on: January 08, 2018, 04:36:37 PM »
Well they're not getting shit signed into law with Trump in office.

Beyond that, I don't think they'll have a situation comparable to the GOP with Obamacare, if only cause it was such an incomparable clusterfuck.

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« Reply #12407 on: January 08, 2018, 05:19:25 PM »
I guess it’s all relative.... but he’s still incredibly unpopular. I don’t see how that changes during his term, really.
Doesn't matter if all his supporters go and vote, the dems base stays the same, and the rest stay home.

I will take bets against him in 2020. If you think he has a significant electoral advantage against random democrat, when he has over 50% of Americans that disapprove of him, I don’t know what to say.

Edit I also agree that the main thing that will happen if dems take the senate or Congress is they 1) stall the shit out of his agenda and any Congressional investigations become a lot less toothless.
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« Reply #12408 on: January 08, 2018, 05:47:37 PM »
Also I hope Oprah picks that chick who wrote the secret as her running mate.

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« Reply #12409 on: January 08, 2018, 06:58:53 PM »
The last thing that Dems need to be talking about right now is 2020. Focus on taking Congress away from the GOP in 2018, then slap down the last two years of Trump's presidency.

Also, if we could contain presidential election talk to the year in which the election actually takes place, I would be supremely happy.
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« Reply #12410 on: January 08, 2018, 08:02:33 PM »
Democrats handwringing about a speech made at an awards ceremony while republicans be like

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« Reply #12411 on: January 08, 2018, 10:38:04 PM »
https://xkcd.com/1939/

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I've mentioned previously, one of my uncles is a conservative lobbyist in DC. We can keep things civil most of the time. He mainly wants me to recognize fiscal responsibility, and I gently encourage him that social nets are not evil, and that the government and private sector are more intertwined than he'd like to admit.

On FB I talked about taking down Citizens United, and he came back, quite reasonably, with state elections not taking additional money from outside their state borders. I'm OK with it, as long as we can eventually get to one person, one vote in lieu of the Electoral College.

I also won't put it past businesses to open offices in states just to have a venue through which to influence politics if my uncle's suggestion becomes law.

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« Reply #12412 on: January 08, 2018, 11:12:07 PM »
Eh, There have been maybe less than a half dozen times in the last century where the party in power in the White House didn’t lose major seats in a mid-term. And none had a president this unpopular.

I think 1934, after 9/11, 98 with Clinton and maybe 1 or 2 more.
Just to note on this, the big "losses" historically (45+ House seats) in modern mid-terms since Gallup started are (all Gallup figures to be consistent):
1938: FDR hit his all time greatest disapproval of 46% three times in this year including the week of the election
1942: The real outlier historically, FDR had an approval rating of 70% at the time, Republicans actually won 51% of the popular vote, and I think this had more to do with 1940 blocking a continued "correction" of the original FDR landslides of 1932/1936...i.e. there was no attrition of Democratic over-representation in seats, so they blocked up for another election (also, anti-war voters?)
1946: Truman fell from 50% to about 35% approval by the start of the year to the election...after the election he actually rebounded to 60% and the highest point he would hold post-war except for a similar post-re-election spike
1958: The only year Eisenhower spent under 60% approval, including earlier in the year hitting his lowest point of 47%
1966: Like Ike, the first year LBJ spent under 60%, he was under 50% for the entire second half of the year
1974: Doubtfully related to Ford's approval (55% on election week for example), probably had more to do with that other guy...
1994: Clinton had fallen from 60% to start the year to hit 40% in September, he rebounded a tiny bit in October, just to hit 40% again after the election the lowest point he would ever be for the rest of his term...Clinton's actual lowest point was in summer of 1993 when he spent a month under 40%
2010: Obama had fallen to his lowest point of 45% before a slight rebound and then re-drop similar to Clinton had in 1994...Obama's worst stretch was late 2013-2014, spending much of it around 40%, which didn't lead to a House landslide as GOP had maxed out nearly, but is a backwards explanation for how the GOP ran the table on the Governors and Senators much to the suicidal exasperation of PoliGAF on election night

2002 is funny because technically W. had the largest start of the year to election drop ever for a mid-term, but he started at almost 95% so it like totally doesn't count. He wouldn't fall under 40% until late 2005.

Trump presents an interesting thorn in the side of the midterm theory because of one simple fact. His approval has been so low from the start he has borderline nowhere to drop. His HIGH in the RCP average is 46%, his LOW is 37%.

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This is doubly interesting because of how it relates to Obama's approval history, counting from when Obama first went negative in the RCP average and then back to positive (i.e. when he stopped dropping from his electoral high, much like I would count from when W. finally stopped dropping from 9/11 temporarily) up to 2016 (when politics turned fully to his successors) his approval LOW was 40% and his approval HIGH was 54% on Christmas post-re-election. If we toss out the "era of good feelings" of December 2012 and January 2013 and the week bin Laden got got, his HIGH was 50%.

Looking at RCP's data for the last three Presidents there's arguably really only a maximum ten point swing in any given year between a President's HIGH and LOW points. Especially if you account for outlier events. As I'm starting to ramble in my nonsense numbers way I'll put this under spoiler tags. But looking at our three Presidents this century, their year average, their high and low points in that year, in approval...

YEAR: AVG | HIGH | LOW

2001: 66 | 60* | 52* (actual HIGH of 89 on start of Afghan invasion but I didn't count anything after 9/11)
2002: 71 | 82 | 62
2003: 59 | 72* | 51 (*Iraq invasion, otherwise 65)
2004: 50 | 53 | 45
2005: 45 | 51 | 40
2006: 39 | 43 | 34
2007: 34 | 37 | 30
2008: 30 | 36 | 25 (it actually went up for the economic collapse, and then stopped dropping after Obama elected)
2009: 57 | 65 | 49
2010: 47 | 50 | 44
2011: 47 | 53 | 42 (only 53 for bin Laden!)
2012: 49 | 54 | 45 (54 for getting re-elected! 50 was his high for the year after the second debate)
2013: 46 | 53 | 40
2014: 43 | 44 | 41
2015: 45 | 46 | 43
2016: 50 | 57 | 45 (high of 51 before Trump elected)
2017: 40* | 46 | 37 (i rounded down, and then subtracted one...for reviewers tilt...or to toss out his "era of good feelings" first month and a half)
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tl;dr i have no idea what this means for midterms...er wait that's now how pundits work, then again, this is the era where Bill Kristol called an election and got it nearly right margin wise

p.s. the trend actually continues farther back than W. which leads me to a more sensible conclusion, more polling of which is constant with numerous tracking polls, stamps out the swings and renders the topline data as nearly as useless for election predicting as Congress' approval rating condescending question mark
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« Reply #12413 on: January 09, 2018, 01:25:44 AM »
to make up for that garbage: https://www.lancasterhistory.org/president-buchanans-drinking-habits/
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When visitors tour President James Buchanan’s Wheatland, many notice the quantity of bottles once containing alcohol that are scattered around Buchanan’s dining areas, parlors, and particularly his private office. An unopened 1827 bottle of Madeira wine from Mr. Buchanan’s collection still sits on a table in his office, one floor above the home’s original wine cellar. Occasionally, a visitor will sheepishly inquire, “Did President Buchanan drink a lot?” The answer to this is that a) Americans in the mid-nineteenth century drank a lot (in 1830, 9.5 gallons of distilled spirits per year!) and b) James Buchanan probably drank more than most of them.

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When he was a Senator, Buchanan bought his whiskey weekly, in 10-gallon quantities, from Jacob Baer, a well-known whiskey merchant in Washington, D.C. Baer’s whiskey was affectionately known as “Old J. B. Whiskey” and our own J. B. was delighted by the fact that his initials matched his own. According to his biographer, Philip Klein, Buchanan considered Baer’s whiskey to be “finer than the best Monongahela.”

One of the best sources on President Buchanan’s drinking habits is John W. Forney, a journalist and politician from Lancaster County who was Buchanan’s one-time political manager and eventual political rival. In his Philadelphia-based newspaper, the Press, Forney wrote in detail of Buchanan’s taste for alcohol, “The Madeira and sherry that he had consumed would fill more than one old cellar, and the rye whiskey that he has ‘punished’ would make Jacob Baer’s heart glad.” Forney also remarked on Buchanan’s ability to drink large quantities of liquor without appearing drunk. After observing Buchanan drink two bottles of cognac and wash it down with rye whiskey, he wrote, “There was no headache, no faltering steps, no flushed cheek. Oh, no! All was as cool, calm and cautious and watchful as in the beginning.”

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« Reply #12414 on: January 09, 2018, 01:29:07 AM »
This was basically what I was referring to.



It is really hard for the president's party to win seats in a mid-term, historically speaking. Saying "major" seats was probably a bit too subjective and maybe reaching too much, but this is the Trump era, I apologize for nothing!

Last time I really dug into it, Democrats are over-performing in state and national elections by roughly 14 points. And that was before Virginia and Alabama. I haven't really looked into it much since then because I haven't had the itch(or time) to fuck around with the Predict-It Markets since the Georgia 6th(and some easy to win non-election markets Trumpkins let their fever dreams get the best of them early in 2017).

EDIT: Refreshing myself and looking it(this chart) over some more, it looks like +60 percent approval is basically the magic corollary number to have a chance at actually gaining seats, and Kennedy and FDR show that is no guarantee either. Trump, well, its not looking promising right now.
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« Reply #12415 on: January 09, 2018, 02:36:56 AM »
Yes, I know. But all of this is a mishmash of tiny datasets based around certain presumptions. Which is why 2018 presents a problem in the common narrative of midterms in that the President's party losing theory means we are to expect what has been considered in recent midterms a smaller and more Republican electorate than the one that voted in 2016 for a GOP House to vote in 2018 for a Democratic one. The electorate has to change to a Democratic dominated one, during a midterm. Which fries brains of people who can't remember as far back as 2006.

More importantly. There's a whole different manner in which to look at this, by casting non-midterms in terms of the sitting President like we do midterms. By looking at the President-elect we're actually arguably looking at the same national election twice, not comparing to the President in office.

% of eligible voters voting GOP vs. Dem in the House (sitting President party popular vote wins in italics):
1978: 17.7% v 21.2%
1980: 23.6% v 24.9%

1982: 18.3% v 23.2%
1984: 23.6% v 26.2%
1986: 17.0% v 20.7%
1988: 21.7% v 25.4%
1990: 16.9% v 19.9%
1992: 24.2% v 26.9%
1994: 21.0% v 18.1%
1996: 23.2% v 23.2% (did not win control of the House)
1998: 18.2% v 17.8%
2000: 23.9% v 23.6%
2002: 18.6% v 16.8%
2004: 27.3% v 25.9%

2006: 17.9% v 21.1%
2008: 24.5% v 30.6%
2010: 21.1% v 18.4%
2012: 26.3% v 27.0% (did not win control of the House)
2014: 18.6% v 16.6%
2016: 26.7% v 26.3%

The sitting President's party has lost the House popular vote in 14 of the last 20 elections. It's never taken control of the House in 20 elections.

The proper takeaway from all the data I've just presented? That it has a sample size of 20 and I presented it as a singular binary variable, so ->  :paul

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A more interesting historical fact, since the Civil War, the sitting President's party has won control of the House exactly twice, 1880 and 1948. Both Presidential election years in which the President's party also won.

All other House elections have been holds by the sitting majority or a flip to the Party that did not hold the White House.
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« Reply #12416 on: January 09, 2018, 02:37:26 AM »
jesus christ shut the fuck up and go hang yourself with your intestines benji

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« Reply #12417 on: January 09, 2018, 03:16:02 AM »
Winfrey/Ivanka 2020
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« Reply #12418 on: January 09, 2018, 07:06:27 AM »
ever since ERA stole Peter's heart and his Jack Remington alt account with it, it seems like nobody is around to keep me in check except myself

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« Reply #12419 on: January 09, 2018, 07:13:21 AM »
look, all i'm saying is that ever since ERA opened and Jack fled over there, Verrit.com's production of "memes" has drastically slowed to almost nothing

although he keeps up the good fight against enemies on twitter daily:
https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/950689736712228864

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/950526993732390912

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/950479358627631104

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/950358319964807168