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https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1006918590212329473

If only Etoilet was here to dunk a billion Ls on the OPCW ::)
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https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1006918590212329473

If only Etoilet was here to dunk a billion Ls on the OPCW ::)

Optimus will certainly be by eventually to pass along the truth that the war mongering corporate media doesn’t want to tell you, straight from Sergey Lavrov’s mouth.

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Yeah his lawyers are leaving the case as a smoke signal.  :whatisthis
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Late to the party but that Summit sure was something.
Kim Jun Un looked confused and uneasy throughout the whole thing. He obviously didn't have much of a handle of how to deal with the press being an isolated dictator and all.

Trump chaired what was easily the most weird-ass peace conference of all time.
Kim's face as Trump instructed the media to take pictures of them 'looking thin' was that of a kid who had just seen a ghost.
The document they signed shows that they both have the intend to follow through with this.

Trump's Q&A was also a sight to behold. Mostly because he didn't just go 'fake news', 'fake news' but was surprisingly honest and to the point.
The point where he said that it might not all work out being completely out of character for him.

Another weird thing to see were how the Asian public and press handled the thing. Kim was cheered as he entered Singapore (not at all the leader of the AXIS OF EVIL as portrayed in the US).
The Asian press started every question with congratulating Trump and throwing him soft balls such as: "Will you invite Kim to the White House", "Will you call Abe?"
Compared to: "Mr. President, Kim Jun Un runs a gulag system, did you discuss that with him?" .
"You called Trudeau a weakling and you say Kim is talented?".

Even if in the end the result of this is little change to the status quo. It beats North Korea lobbing missiles over Japan any day of the week.
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All of the recent hysteria over war with NK was a function of Trump antagonizing them in the first place. So yeah, it's great that Trump temporarily put down his saber, but Kim is still a ruthless dictator running a labor camp regime, sitting on a stockpile of nukes, soooooo...

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All of the recent hysteria over war with NK was a function of Trump antagonizing them in the first place. So yeah, it's great that Trump temporarily put down his saber, but Kim is still a ruthless dictator running a labor camp regime, sitting on a stockpile of nukes, soooooo...

When you step back it really is kinda of amazing.

Trump pulled off a three card monte hustle and I don’t even know if he realizes he did it.


- North Korea has sought for generations to legitimize themselves by being recognized by the United States and has shown a willingness to meet without conditions for basically forever.

- American presidents have all been like, nah, you gotta do x, y, z because you keep fucking us over, and doing things like running slave camps and shit. Here’s Madeline Albright as a consolation if you play nice.

- Trump comes in and says not only do you need to do x, y, z, but I’m gonna flame you on Twitter and raise tensions because I’m a moron that only cares about appealing to my base using the office for self gain.

- North Korea reiterates, like they have before, their willingness to meet the president.

- Trump 180’s and accepts it, goes on to declare victory and that only he was capable of bringing Kim to the table.

- A good chunk of the media and the public give him a “win”.....”Gotta give Trump credit for getting Kim to the table!”

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and to be fair I’m actually glad we may be getting to a place because of Trump where we aren’t adhering to outdated diplomatic norms(though no way the right lets the left do something like this next time) that frankly haven’t worked more often than not, still
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All of the recent hysteria over war with NK was a function of Trump antagonizing them in the first place. So yeah, it's great that Trump temporarily put down his saber, but Kim is still a ruthless dictator running a labor camp regime, sitting on a stockpile of nukes, soooooo...

When you step back it really is kinda of amazing.

Trump pulled off a three card monte hustle and I don’t even know if he realizes he did it.


- North Korea has sought for generations to legitimize themselves by being recognized by the United States and has shown a willingness to meet without conditions for basically forever.

- American presidents have all been like, nah, you gotta do x, y, z because you keep fucking us over, and doing things like running slave camps and shit. Here’s Madeline Albright as a consolation if you play nice.

- Trump comes in and says not only do you need to do x, y, z, but I’m gonna flame you on Twitter and raise tensions because I’m a moron that only cares about appealing to my base using the office for self gain.

- North Korea reiterates, like they have before, their willingness to meet the president.

- Trump 180’s and accepts it, goes on to declare victory and that only he was capable of bringing Kim to the table.

- A good chunk of the media and the public give him a “win”.....”Gotta give Trump credit for getting Kim to the table!”

 :crazy

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and to be fair I’m actually glad we may be getting to a place because of Trump where we aren’t adhering to outdated diplomatic norms(though no way the right lets the left do something like this next time) that frankly haven’t worked more often than not, still
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You forgot where he thought that the plot was resolved too easily and he suddenly called the whole thing off when the North Koreans didn't show up for the first meetings.
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My tl/dr point is really only that Trump has managed to get himself graded on a ridiculous curve again. Probably didn’t need to build a timeline....

Getting handed trophies(seemingly by people like you I might add my friend lol) for putting out the fires he started and accepting a basically non-conditional face to face meeting that the regime has sought for two decades.

I mean again, I hope it builds to something substantive(though I have some serious doubts) and if this farcical treatment of Trump is the cost, so be it, but still :crazy

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My tl/dr point is really only that Trump has managed to get himself graded on a ridiculous curve again. Probably didn’t need to build a timeline....

Getting handed trophies(seemingly by people like you I might add my friend lol) for putting out the fires he started and accepting a basically non-conditional face to face meeting that the regime has sought for two decades.

I mean again, I hope it builds to something substantive(though I have some serious doubts) and if this farcical treatment of Trump is the cost, so be it, but still :crazy
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That's how he has played the politics game since the beginning. He starts a fire then puts it out himself so he is redeemed in the eyes of the public.
And before someone can say: "Hey wait a minute Trump started this fire himself!" he starts another fire.

Trump: "Ted Cruz's wife doesn't know about his affairs, also his dad probably shot JFK"
Ted: "DONALD TRUMP IS A WHINY BITCH COME AT ME"

Press: TED CRUZ UNHINGED
Trump: "Ted Cruz is unhinged and has a really bad temper. Imagine that guy negotiating with Russia or China. He would ruin everything."


Trump: "Ben Carson is probably a child offender or has an incurable disease much similar to that"
Press: "Trump waits for Ben to take his place at a debate. A true gentleman!"


Trump: "Locking her up? Hehe, well that was a few weeks ago folks when we had a little fun. Remember that? All those crazy rallies. Boy aren't these rallies great."
Press: "Trump won't prosecute Clinton!"


It's why he's now in a dispute with Canada. Because he knows Canada doesn't want things to escalate and when things return back to normal he can take credit for it.
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I think the DPRK is pursuing a clever policy for eventual reunification but they need some compliance or cooperation from the ROK in order to do so. It's obvious that an US retrieval is indeed a necessary step for them but it could be argued that it may also undermine a lot of the DPRK own discourse internally.
Current NK strategy is to reunify in a confederation but eventually take over all of South Korea with the North's government. Current SK strategy is to reunify in a confederation and eventually convert NK to capitalism by promises of freedom, shared history, and economic boon, without having to fully absorb it (on account of the massive wealth transfer that would have to go to North Korea). This is why both parties are interested in talks.

And you're really right about US pressure being a key component of regime propaganda. Without that specter of invasion looming over them it's hard to see how the Kims justify their everlasting dynasty. Although I also think US withdrawal is 100% of the table from the American side, too.
Trump wants to bring those soldiers home he said and complained at length about bombers from Guam flying over to SK for war games.

In any case this is a process that is starting and I think it will be key for 2020 as well. When Trump is knee deep in ongoing negotiations and diplomacy with North Korea 'switching horses' would be unwise.
Not to mention he could simply bribe Kim and have him tell the world he will only negotiate with Trump and not another president. And on Kim's part, having peace on Trump's terms is probably most beneficial and keeps the gulag system off the table for a long time to come.

I wonder if Obama regrets telling Trump that North Korea would be one of the big challenges he was going to face. Because Trump sees a challenge as an opportunity and was quick to throw fuel on the fire.
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Trump wants to bring those soldiers home he said and complained at length about bombers from Guam flying over to SK for war games.

In any case this is a process that is starting and I think it will be key for 2020 as well. When Trump is knee deep in ongoing negotiations and diplomacy with North Korea 'switching horses' would be unwise.
Not to mention he could simply bribe Kim and have him tell the world he will only negotiate with Trump and not another president. And on Kim's part, having peace on Trump's terms is probably most beneficial and keeps the gulag system off the table for a long time to come.

I wonder if Obama regrets telling Trump that North Korea would be one of the big challenges he was going to face. Because Trump sees a challenge as an opportunity and was quick to throw fuel on the fire.
This is the sort of unwarranted ball waxing I was talking about lol.

Lets at least get a little bit more than a promise to have some actual substance next time before you start talking about the genius of Trump's diplomacy and the danger of switching horses in 2020 nintex.

We don't even have an agreed upon definition of denuclearization with North Korea that isn't interpreted by them to mean abandoning South Korea and removing ourselves from the peninsula unilaterally, to which maybe after all that they will think about giving up their nukes(which is why many suspect that line is so vague, and much of the rest of it as well, because there is an enormous gap between where both sides are substantively). Cause spoiler alert, that is not what America thinks when they think denuclearization. Kris is 100% right that withdrawal is off the table(along with the other things he and Mom echoed) for the foreseeable future unless Trump gets so desperate he starts moving the goal posts in some even crazier directions.
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When Trump is knee deep in ongoing negotiations and diplomacy

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Trump wants to bring those soldiers home he said and complained at length about bombers from Guam flying over to SK for war games.

In any case this is a process that is starting and I think it will be key for 2020 as well. When Trump is knee deep in ongoing negotiations and diplomacy with North Korea 'switching horses' would be unwise.
Not to mention he could simply bribe Kim and have him tell the world he will only negotiate with Trump and not another president. And on Kim's part, having peace on Trump's terms is probably most beneficial and keeps the gulag system off the table for a long time to come.

I wonder if Obama regrets telling Trump that North Korea would be one of the big challenges he was going to face. Because Trump sees a challenge as an opportunity and was quick to throw fuel on the fire.
This is the sort of unwarranted ball waxing I was talking about lol.

Lets at least get a little bit more than a promise to have some actual substance next time before you start talking about the genius of Trump's diplomacy and the danger of switching horses in 2020 nintex.

We don't even have an agreed upon definition of denuclearization with North Korea that isn't interpreted by them to mean abandoning South Korea and removing ourselves from the peninsula unilaterally, to which maybe after all that they will think about giving up their nukes(which is why many suspect that line is so vague, and much of the rest of it as well, because there is an enormous gap between where both sides are substantively). Cause spoiler alert, that is not what America thinks when they think denuclearization. Kris is 100% right that withdrawal is off the table for the foreseeable future unless Trump gets so desperate he starts moving the goal posts in some even crazier directions.
Thats true but there's probably a deal for McDonalds in Pyongyang already on the table.
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Thats true but there's probably a deal for McDonalds in Pyongyang already on the table.
lol maybe.

Though the allure of big mac's have been on the table for this regime for some time. I suspect, though I can't say for sure, but I suspect for this communist regime that it is still not going to be enough to appease Kim and get NK to give up their nukes.

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why would mcdonalds care about opening in NK? North Koreans have no money to buy hamburgers let alone cheeseburgers

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why would mcdonalds care about opening in NK? North Koreans have no money to buy hamburgers let alone cheeseburgers
nuggets tho
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On a side note, remember when Mattis was gonna be the adult voice in the room ?

I know he at least took the public stance that defunding foreign affairs and diplomacy was bad and making his job harder but otherwise it seems he has to swallow quite a few snakes...
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why would mcdonalds care about opening in NK? North Koreans have no money to buy hamburgers let alone cheeseburgers
why would any franchise do this for that matter? there's zero upside to it for any of them. it's a PR nightmare

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Trump wants to bring those soldiers home he said and complained at length about bombers from Guam flying over to SK for war games.

In any case this is a process that is starting and I think it will be key for 2020 as well. When Trump is knee deep in ongoing negotiations and diplomacy with North Korea 'switching horses' would be unwise.
Not to mention he could simply bribe Kim and have him tell the world he will only negotiate with Trump and not another president. And on Kim's part, having peace on Trump's terms is probably most beneficial and keeps the gulag system off the table for a long time to come.

I wonder if Obama regrets telling Trump that North Korea would be one of the big challenges he was going to face. Because Trump sees a challenge as an opportunity and was quick to throw fuel on the fire.
This is the sort of unwarranted ball waxing I was talking about lol.

Lets at least get a little bit more than a promise to have some actual substance next time before you start talking about the genius of Trump's diplomacy and the danger of switching horses in 2020 nintex.

We don't even have an agreed upon definition of denuclearization with North Korea that isn't interpreted by them to mean abandoning South Korea and removing ourselves from the peninsula unilaterally, to which maybe after all that they will think about giving up their nukes(which is why many suspect that line is so vague, and much of the rest of it as well, because there is an enormous gap between where both sides are substantively). Cause spoiler alert, that is not what America thinks when they think denuclearization. Kris is 100% right that withdrawal is off the table(along with the other things he and Mom echoed) for the foreseeable future unless Trump gets so desperate he starts moving the goal posts in some even crazier directions.

Trump thinks he has already SOLVED North Korea. To what extent will there be further negotiations at all?

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why would mcdonalds care about opening in NK? North Koreans have no money to buy hamburgers let alone cheeseburgers
why would any franchise do this for that matter? there's zero upside to it for any of them. it's a PR nightmare

I honestly figured nintex was really just meaning your typical, entice them with opening up their markets and enjoying the glories of American capitalism in your land silliness.


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why would mcdonalds care about opening in NK? North Koreans have no money to buy hamburgers let alone cheeseburgers
why would any franchise do this for that matter? there's zero upside to it for any of them. it's a PR nightmare

I'd imagine an operational nightmare as well. No one wants to set foot in NK and risk ending up in prison for pissing off dear leader.

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On a side note, remember when Mattis was gonna be the adult voice in the room ?

I know he at least took the public stance that defunding foreign affairs and diplomacy was bad and making his job harder but otherwise it seems he has to swallow quite a few snakes...
Remember Kelly.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-kelly-miserable_us_5b1e0d06e4b0adfb826b233d
He recently commented that the White House was a miserable place to work.
He's probably been in a few towns in Afghanistan and Iraq during the wars and god knows where else. But the West Wing of the white house is worse.

Also remember the pact between Mnuchin, Tillerson and Mattis. That if Trump would fire one of them the others would resign.

Yeah.  :doge
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Remember Kelly.
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The George W. Bush Vindication By History Tour continues in the newest PPP poll:


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Tucker brings out the big guns:


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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sarah-sanders-raj-shah-planning-to-depart-the-white-house/

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https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1007062893001609216

that obvious pushback aside, the modern press secretary in the 24/7 cycle has often started to burn up as they approached the two year mark and she's still pretty young (35), can get some Fox money like dad, then run for something maybe

perhaps Trump will replace Pence with her on the 2020 ticket if they're so close...


TRUMP/SANDERS 2020 :doge

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Worst thing about her is I keep reading tweets from journalists with a quote attributed to "Sanders" and literally every time I think "why the FUCK would Bernie say that!?" for 2-5 seconds before realizing what's up. Been over a year and I'm not getting any better at it.


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To be fair, any given staffer in this administration has a 50/50 of making it through the term.


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See Nola, that's just normal ordinary day-to-day corrupty political stuff

*yawn*

Let's focus on the real issues, such as feeling sorry for incels and how feminists and blacks are tearing apart the fibers of this country

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Don’t know how I missed these gems from yesterday:

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Yeah, and in other less important matters than the culture wars, lots of stuff happening behind the scenes with healthcare. A lot of the dirty work that Republicans tried to do with AHCA and to sabotage the ACA is getting the torch carried by the Trump admin and the GOP through the courts:

https://twitter.com/nicholas_bagley/status/1007266852035354624


https://twitter.com/larry_levitt/status/1007045426573262848


Basically there are a number of things going on, but today a federal circuit court voted in favor of the administration preference of not paying out the up to 12 billion dollars in risk corridor payments they believe they are owed. This is just a step toward a final decision that may end up in the Supreme Court, but it is big step nonetheless. Normally I would sympathize with people happy about sticking it to insurers, but this is basically a lose/lose for everyone.
https://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/a-big-loss-for-insurers-in-the-risk-corridor-litigation/

Simultaneously, in typical Trump administration fashion, ridiculousness, incompetence, and abhorrent policy preferences are leading to a potential death blow to pre-existing condition protections and the community rating structure in the individual market and potentially affecting the employer market as well. Essentially though, if I'm understanding the absurdity of it, the administration is arguing that their $0 individual mandate penalty is unconstitutional and that pre-existing conditions and community rating requirements are unconstitutional as well because they argue they are inseparable from one another. So if the individual mandate is unconstitutional than everything else has to be thrown out as well.


On both fronts a number of ACA lawyers don't seem to think they will ultimately get their way as things move up the courts, but they may get some of it.

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/14/politics/trump-north-korea-salute/index.html

This is 100% percent what a stupid child would do in this situation, in case you're still under the idea that Trump is smart.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/14/politics/trump-north-korea-salute/index.html

This is 100% percent what a stupid child would do in this situation, in case you're still under the idea that Trump is smart.

It's also the kind of thing that Fox News et al would have roasted Obama for weeks over.
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https://twitter.com/fordm/status/1007280285480837121


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https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/14/politics/trump-north-korea-salute/index.html

This is 100% percent what a stupid child would do in this situation, in case you're still under the idea that Trump is smart.

It's also the kind of thing that Fox News et al would have roasted Obama for weeks over.

It's the sort of thing someone would have sloppily photoshopped Obama doing and everyone's racist uncle on Facebook would've believed it.

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Also, paging Jack Remington:

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But Comey added that "I have gotten emails from some employees about this, who said, "If I did what Hillary Clinton did I'd be in huge trouble.' "

"My response is you bet your ass you'd be in huge trouble," Comey said in that speech.

"If you used a personal email, Gmail or if you [had] the capabilities to set up your own email domain, if you used an unclassified personal email system to do our business in the course of doing our business even though you were communicating with people with clearances and doing work you discussed classified matters in that, in those communications, TS/SCI, special access programs, you would be in huge trouble in the FBI," Comey said.
"Of that I am highly confident," he added. "I'm also highly confident, in fact, certain you would not be criminally prosecuted for that conduct."
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/14/james-comey-used-gmail-for-official-fbi-business-numerous-times.html

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It would be hilarious if NK sent a double, but it's probably more likely that the other images of Un have been photoshopped.
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jut an odd photo probably


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This OIG report was yet another Gamecube-era "Wait until Spaceworld" for Republicans.

Oh don’t worry though, like delusional Nintendo stans of the past, they are gonna hang on 7 of those words and one flow chart in that 500 page document to convince themselves this was far more earth shattering than it was.

This will be the next Uranium One for a month or so.

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Whether it's him or it's not, it doesn't really matter. Both NK and the US are publicly saying it's him, and he's having discussions as if he were KJU.

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what if it wasn't the real Trump?

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what if it wasn't the real Trump?

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Comey is a showboat and a grandstander. Sold out the Republic to the Russians and Donald Trump to sell a book.
I'm reading up on this and agents Strzok and Page were exchanging convoluted nerd speak while the whole thing was going down as if they were starring in a bad season of 24.

The FBI does not look good.

:usacry

Oh and Clinton had to jump on this to attract the flies to her scent.  :neogaf
https://twitter.com/MAJMikeLyons/status/1007380855738814470
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If only a foreign power could find the missing emails. :lawd


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"This is the year we turn Texas and Utah blue!"

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Manafort going to jail brahs

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Just a reminder:

Flynn pleaded guilty. Papadopolous pleaded guilty. Gates pleaded guilty. Manafort is in jail awaiting trial. Cohen might be indicted very soon.

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Just a reminder:

Flynn pleaded guilty. Papadopolous pleaded guilty. Gates pleaded guilty. Manafort is in jail awaiting trial. Cohen might be indicted very soon.

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