US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Kara]

Replace the supreme court with a revolutionary tribunal imo. I've got some bore posters I'm ready to denounce.

"You are charged with subversion and crimes against the will of the people, under penalty of death. What say you?"

"lol, epic fuckery, the madman has done it again"

If the Netherlands wishes to implement tribunals too and call Nintex before them that is their right. Nations should be free to pursue socialism by different paths that are dictated by the conditions in that country.

[Mandark]

prove it

[nachobro]

you're right. that is mean. but i feel okay admitting guarded optimism in my hope for the ideal outcome that everything that makes JayDubya upset and angry comes to pass and his wife will birth beautiful, black, democrat voting babies one day.

[seagrams hotsauce]

embryos aren't objectively humans

I suppose you could only be technically correct in this since your language is vague - if they’re of a different species, they are not our species.

If they are, however, and we are talking about the specific context of human reproduction, your claim is objectively false.

do you jerk off bro

[curly]

I swear to god filler coordinates it so that as soon as one doofus leaves another shows up

[Mandark]

I swear to god filler coordinates it so that as soon as one doofus leaves another shows up

relegation/promotion system, I'm telling ya

[Boredfrom]

I am saying I have more... guarded optimism in my hope for the ideal outcome that everything that makes BrandNew upset and angry comes to pass. 

To be clear, optimism because those things should happen, because they are good things that literate people with a functional moral compass should want, not just because they trigger him, though that can be regarded as an incidental bonus, I suppose.

“I hope for the worst outcome because of my pettiness”

Let me be clear, then, because you aren’t getting it.

Overturning prior horrible decisions like the ones he cited would be fucking wonderful and indicative of a principled and literate character predominating on the court.  It would be *ideal.*

I will say, independently of prolife/prochoice or him being a potential rapist and drunktard, they guy should just not be a SCOTUS just for that rant he did at his hearing. Nobody should be happy about this kind of politics getting more accepted and people pretending they care about the process when having a shit bag as a president l.

[Himu]

Legislative branch and executive branch are more important than the courts in the overall scheme of things.

TBH, I feel like the supreme court shouldn't wield this much power. When both sides are trying to push their own agenda trojan horses into the mix, something is very, very wrong. The fact that Republicans think,"we can use Kavanaugh to turn around Roe v Wade" or whatever and the fact that Democrats fear that would happen is ridiculous. This calls for an endless game of replacing justices every few decades at the perils of generations that potentially don't even agree with them politically. Most American's support abortion in some form, for instance. Yet we have justices that are clearly anti-abortion that represent religions that want to make it illegal. The court wields too much power, is used overwhelmingly for partisan interests rather than those of the American people.

[Nintex]

"If you think I'm going on that ice willingly you've got another thing coming Kara"

[Boredfrom]

Replace the supreme court with a revolutionary tribunal imo. I've got some bore posters I'm ready to denounce.

"You are charged with subversion and crimes against the will of the people, under penalty of death. What say you?"

"lol, epic fuckery, the madman has done it again"

If the Netherlands wishes to implement tribunals too and call Nintex before them that is their right. Nations should be free to pursue socialism by different paths that are dictated by the conditions in that country.

Being fair, I am pretty sure Nintex will end being part of that tribunal no matter what side he initially started on.

[kingv]

jaydubya doesn't care about abortions cause it'll never affect him. his own wife won't even fuck him so it'll never be a concern

Whoa. Bringing that shit up is really irrelevant and uncalled for.

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Just cause she won't fuck him doesn't mean she might not need an abortion at some point.

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This is a thing? It explains a lot actually.

[Mandark]

Thank you, you have now adequately confirmed that you are or have become a wretched person not worth talking to, devoid of merit or character, regardless of whatever odious views you hold.

You are a barbarian, and there is no point in talking to a barbarian.

buddy you've spent years insulting posters on this board, I genuinely don't know why you'd expect to be treated any differently in return

like at least mine was clever

[nachobro]

Thank you, you have now adequately confirmed that you are or have become a wretched person not worth talking to, devoid of merit or character, regardless of whatever odious views you hold.

You are a barbarian, and there is no point in talking to a barbarian.

next step is to just post dead children in every thread to REALLY prove him wrong

[Nintex]

Replace the supreme court with a revolutionary tribunal imo. I've got some bore posters I'm ready to denounce.

"You are charged with subversion and crimes against the will of the people, under penalty of death. What say you?"

"lol, epic fuckery, the madman has done it again"

If the Netherlands wishes to implement tribunals too and call Nintex before them that is their right. Nations should be free to pursue socialism by different paths that are dictated by the conditions in that country.

Being fair, I am pretty sure Nintex will end being part of that tribunal no matter what side he initially started on.

That's true, I've been smart enough to leave ideologies at the door and just pick the winning side. 

For starters you can't win if half your crew is against voting because Mass Effect needs to be promoted, they don't believe in it or they see not voting (because they don't want a government ID) as a form of protest.

[Kara]

That's true, I've been smart enough to leave ideologies at the door and just pick the winning side. 

As the great proponent of Deng Xiaoping Theory Deng Xiaoping once said, it does not matter if a cat is black or white as long as it catches mice.

[Mandark]

Legislative branch and executive branch are more important than the courts in the overall scheme of things.

TBH, I feel like the supreme court shouldn't wield this much power. When both sides are trying to push their own agenda trojan horses into the mix, something is very, very wrong. The fact that Republicans think,"we can use Kavanaugh to turn around Roe v Wade" or whatever and the fact that Democrats fear that would happen is ridiculous. This calls for an endless game of replacing justices every few decades at the perils of generations that potentially don't even agree with them politically. Most American's support abortion in some form, for instance. Yet we have justices that are clearly anti-abortion that represent religions that want to make it illegal. The court wields too much power, is used overwhelmingly for partisan interests rather than those of the American people.

Theoretically you want the court to be able defy public opinion, to be able to protect against a tyranny of the majority and to uphold the constitution even in unpopular cases (flag-burning is the case usually cited to illustrate this point). It was basically designed to be the branch of government over which the public had the least leverage, hence lifetime appointments.

My rather uncooked opinion is that the issues with the court are mostly metastases of our generally fucked up political situation, rather than something unique to the institution.

[Propagandhim]

which is a reformulation of the old buddhist saying that it doesn't matter what shape a pot is as long as the water boils

which in turn is a recombobulation of the ancient Xao Shoryuken Kamesama quote:  Women be shoppin'

[Nintex]

I'm a shapeshifter more than anything



You should watch the entire Hyper-normalization doc by Adam Curtis if you have the chance.
Some eye opening stuff. Especially because it aired right before the 2016 election and if you had seen it you couldn't be more certain of the outcome.

[Kara]

which is a reformulation of the old buddhist saying that it doesn't matter what shape a pot is as long as the water boils

Dialectics

[Boredfrom]

I think a lot of people are unwilling to tolerate others expressing their Schadenfreude as this was actually expected to happen unlike Trump winning the election, specially since how vile the confirmation process has been.

[Mandark]

jd, again, you've acted like a huge dick to many, many posters here over the years

if you can't take it, don't dish it out. if you think I should be nice to you cause you were insulting everyone else but not me, that's naive.

[Nintex]

We should all be respectful to eachother but playful banter is fine.

This isn't ResetEra folks 

[El Babua]

Can someone explain to me who JayDubya is and why there's an autoimmune response every time he appears

Jaydub is a 2000s-era libertarian forum poster who hasn't changed styles to match the current irony poisoned era.

That's why he's so sanctimonious. And his prose is not on etiolate's level tbh

[Madrun Badrun]

My rather uncooked opinion is that the issues with the court are mostly metastases of our generally fucked up political situation, rather than something unique to the institution.

Ya.  America's political system isn't what's wrong, its Americans themselves. 

[Mandark]

Jaydub is a 2000s-era libertarian forum poster who hasn't changed styles to match the current irony poisoned era.

That's why he's so sanctimonious. And his prose is not on etiolate's level tbh

There's definitely something going on where the generally right-wing posters (et, JD, hungrynoob, leadbelly) start sounding like JRPG villains localized for the US market when they're fired up, whereas those on the left side of the political compass (Green Shinobi, The Walrus, Jack Remington, Esch) have a more "eat shit and die!" vibe.

I bet someone could explain this in the context of The Big Five.

[Propagandhim]

You fundamentally dishonest and pretentious cunt, there is a difference between disagreements on the merits of one’s arguments or the general back and forth where I gave reciprocally what I got - most often so very much less - dogpile after miserable dogpile... and making deeply personal comments at all, let alone twisting and weaponizing something like that.

Congrats, in a moment of weakness I talked about my relationship in a relationship thread, I was frustrated and sad, and I should have known better.  Should have known that you people would exploit it as an ad hominem the second I disagreed with one of you.  I knew better than to try to make friends with any of you pricks, but I should have known not to confuse you with human beings rather than rabid animals.

Lesson learned.

You're not wrong.  That was uncalled for.  This is honestly why I don't share anything personal on this forum.

[Mandark]

jd, you've been relentlessly mean-spirited on this forum for years, it's much too late to play victim

though if you sincerely thought you were trying to "make friends" by acting that way, I really feel sorry for you and hope you work that shit out

[Kara]

It's not weakness to share your feelings, JD. Hope things turn around for you if they haven't already.

[Himu]

Legislative branch and executive branch are more important than the courts in the overall scheme of things.

TBH, I feel like the supreme court shouldn't wield this much power. When both sides are trying to push their own agenda trojan horses into the mix, something is very, very wrong. The fact that Republicans think,"we can use Kavanaugh to turn around Roe v Wade" or whatever and the fact that Democrats fear that would happen is ridiculous. This calls for an endless game of replacing justices every few decades at the perils of generations that potentially don't even agree with them politically. Most American's support abortion in some form, for instance. Yet we have justices that are clearly anti-abortion that represent religions that want to make it illegal. The court wields too much power, is used overwhelmingly for partisan interests rather than those of the American people.

Theoretically you want the court to be able defy public opinion, to be able to protect against a tyranny of the majority and to uphold the constitution even in unpopular cases (flag-burning is the case usually cited to illustrate this point). It was basically designed to be the branch of government over which the public had the least leverage, hence lifetime appointments.

My rather uncooked opinion is that the issues with the court are mostly metastases of our generally fucked up political situation, rather than something unique to the institution.

That's true.

For a long time it was,"vote so we can win scotus appointments." Which is all kinds of fucked up.

You may be right that it's less the institution and more that our political landscape - and by extension, ourselves - has just become so extreme and toxic.

[Kara]

The climate doesn't help, but it's not a coincidence that the countries which use common law jurisprudence are not exactly progressive bulwarks.

[Mandark]

Abortion's a contentious issue because there are passionate people on both sides and a relatively even split in public opinion. If it weren't handled through the court, "vote so we can preserve/overturn Roe v Wade" would just become "vote so Congress can pass/repeal an abortion ban."

I think the things that are specific SCOTUS problems are issues where there's a clear majority on one side, and the court is ruling against it not to preserve a broadly-understood restriction on government power or to protect a mistreated minority, but using some particularly abstruse reasoning to reach an ideological/partisan conclusion (eg Citizens United, Janus).

In that vein, what concerns me most about Kavanaugh is his weird ideas about bureaucratic rule-making being unconstitutional, which could be applied to wreck whichever agencies the court doesn't like politically.

[Nintex]

The climate doesn't help, but it's not a coincidence that the countries which use common law jurisprudence are not exactly progressive bulwarks.

It also seems like both parties adapt each others strategies.
https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1048339688392740865

Obama (celebrity president)
Trump (actual celebrity as president)

The GOP only turned to Trump because boring people like Romney and zealots like Ted Cruz don't get elected.
The Democrats are now giving Avenatti a platform because they don't have an answer to Trump's theatrics.

The cycle just repeats itself. In fact they encourage the other party to implode and fly off the rails.
Democrats watered at the mouth at the idea that Trump would take over the Republican party much like the GOP is now enjoying how the most progressive wing of the Democratic Party is making gains.
Both sides want to stamp out the moderates of the other side without realizing the consequences, it's quite something to behold.

[Boredfrom]

Jaydub is a 2000s-era libertarian forum poster who hasn't changed styles to match the current irony poisoned era.

That's why he's so sanctimonious. And his prose is not on etiolate's level tbh

There's definitely something going on where the generally right-wing posters (et, JD, hungrynoob, leadbelly) start sounding like JRPG villains localized for the US market when they're fired up, whereas those on the left side of the political compass (Green Shinobi, The Walrus, Jack Remington, Esch) have a more "eat shit and die!" vibe.

I bet someone could explain this in the context of The Big Five.

Have you played the Shin Megami Tensei games ? Is order vs chaos but God and Lucifer alternate positions and the Neutral path is a bunch of more innefectual Benjis.

[Himu]

Neutral can often be the hardest path too.

[Boredfrom]

But when they tried to focus in the Neutral path we ended with being a JRPG villain or a shonen protagonist spouting “eat shit and die” to God.

[Rufus]

My rather uncooked opinion is that the issues with the court are mostly metastases of our generally fucked up political situation, rather than something unique to the institution.

Ya.  America's political system isn't what's wrong, its Americans themselves.

"Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup; You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle; You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot."

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- Bruce Lee

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[kingv]

The bore is literally the land of misfit toys.

Like nobody should be surprised when alt right incels pop-up to call everyone evil for not being Bible thumpers or That 99% of everybody else is either an asshole, makes offensive jokes, or is unsuitable to be around others in general.

Basically every one is here because they got banned from bigger forums.

[Mandark]

Good read for TakingBackSunday:
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2018/10/25/suffocation-of-democracy/

I think I've seen too many pieces comparing and contrasting the current situation with early 20th-century European fascism.

It's not that they can't be instructive, but do you really need to look outside of American history to understand white minority rule, nativism, etc?

[Kara]

Both sides want to stamp out the moderates of the other side without realizing the consequences, it's quite something to behold.

What moderates? For at least 30 years the political spectrum has been right and far-far-right.

[Madrun Badrun]

My rather uncooked opinion is that the issues with the court are mostly metastases of our generally fucked up political situation, rather than something unique to the institution.

Ya.  America's political system isn't what's wrong, its Americans themselves.

"Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup; You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle; You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot."

spoiler (click to show/hide)

- Bruce Lee

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I don't accept mystic quotes from hippy drug fiends. 

[Mandark]

the eradication of democratic norms is unknown territory in american history

wait'll you hear about Reconstruction, shit's gonna blow your mind

[Kara]

There's court packing / Wickard v. Filburn (no libertarian), if you want a "modern" relevant example too.

[Mandark]

Not that part, but how it ended and what that entailed.

[Assimilate]

really fucking depressed over this shit

even voting this november seems meaningless (don't worry, I still will vote).  Even if the Dems take back the House and Senate, we still have a conservative court that will fuck up this country for decades, potentially for ever.  I hate this country

 

[TakingBackSunday]

I’m not going to even bother with assimilates post - since he’s ignored now.  I assume it’s just lol emojis or “lol be mad college intellectual”

Fuck him and I hope he dies

[Assimilate]

I’m not going to even bother with assimilates post - since he’s ignored now.  I assume it’s just lol emojis or “lol be mad college intellectual”

Fuck him and I hope he dies

  what?

I knew whichever way this rolled it'd be amazing entertainment.

[Himu]

The bore is literally the land of misfit toys.

Like nobody should be surprised when alt right incels pop-up to call everyone evil for not being Bible thumpers or That 99% of everybody else is either an asshole, makes offensive jokes, or is unsuitable to be around others in general.

Basically every one is here because they got banned from bigger forums.

Wrong thread?

[Himu]

I’m not going to even bother with assimilates post - since he’s ignored now.  I assume it’s just lol emojis or “lol be mad college intellectual”

Fuck him and I hope he dies

Watch the kitty video!

[jakefromstatefarm]

...Green Shinobi, The Walrus, Jack Remington...

[Boredfrom]

Why can’t Assimilate spam images of Holomodor so he can take a break of being a vile asshole? At least JD cares...

[agrajag]

Why can’t Assimilate spam images of Holomodor so he can take a break of being a vile asshole? At least JD cares...

just stop paying attention to him and he'll go away

[Van Cruncheon]

You fundamentally dishonest and pretentious cunt, there is a difference between disagreements on the merits of one’s arguments or the general back and forth where I gave reciprocally what I got - most often so very much less - dogpile after miserable dogpile... and making deeply personal comments at all, let alone twisting and weaponizing something like that.

Congrats, in a moment of weakness I talked about my relationship in a relationship thread, I was frustrated and sad, and I should have known better.  Should have known that you people would exploit it as an ad hominem the second I disagreed with one of you.  I knew better than to try to make friends with any of you pricks, but I should have known not to confuse you with human beings rather than rabid animals.

Lesson learned.

ayy lmao

we're not fetuses, so i'm surprised you mistook us for human beings

[Great Rumbler]

If it gets Drinky to come back and post again, Kavanaugh getting confirmed is almost worth it.

[Van Cruncheon]

i'm just here to drop random likes and wait for freenudemacusers' inevitable dick pics

live long enough to become filler, fam

[Assimilate]

Why can’t Assimilate spam images of Holomodor so he can take a break of being a vile asshole? At least JD cares...

You guys are such pussies. It's why the dems keep taking Ls.

[CatsCatsCats]

I haven’t gotten through it all yet (the last couple pages) but y’all lashin out real ugly

[CatsCatsCats]

I’m gonna go ahead and care post that y’all fucked up and owe JDubs an apology and just leave it at that for my contributions

Also, holy shit I can’t believe how easily I believe this lyin frat boy is getting his way

[Mandark]

respectfully disagree

[Van Cruncheon]

on the plus side, going back and reading recent jaydubya posts while articulating each of his polysyllabic exhortations aloud in an arch, twee voice was the highlight of my friday evening. don't judge me; the alternative was watching youtube compilations with the brat.

[Kara]

Breeders