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Himu

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« Reply #24660 on: October 10, 2018, 08:39:06 PM »
What about identity politics?
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« Reply #24661 on: October 10, 2018, 08:39:50 PM »
what about 'em?

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« Reply #24662 on: October 10, 2018, 08:40:45 PM »
They’re racist!

Wait that’s voter id laws

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« Reply #24663 on: October 10, 2018, 08:47:11 PM »
I need an explanation of what someone is thinking of when they say "identity politics" before I can address it, cause everyone seems to have their own personal definition.

Himu

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« Reply #24664 on: October 10, 2018, 08:47:36 PM »
what about 'em?

It’s an extension of pc culture and infects both sides, poisoning the well.
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« Reply #24665 on: October 10, 2018, 08:48:57 PM »
what about 'em?

It’s an extension of pc culture and infects both sides, poisoning the well.

first impression is this sounds very silly but if you want to elaborate I'll listen

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« Reply #24666 on: October 10, 2018, 08:51:36 PM »
thinking pc culture is a major social problem is the dumbest thing
It's not a major problem.  But as I am a liberal I am in close proximity to other liberals so I have plenty of opportunity to be annoyed by it.  It might also help Republicans find electoral success which is a problem.

Himu

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« Reply #24667 on: October 10, 2018, 08:54:25 PM »
For example, the “dank web” shitting on Peterson for not going with everything they purport is an example of identity politics because by going against their orthodoxy you have gone against their “identity.”

Further, today’s identity politics is a fancy outrage culture. Both sides are prone to it and it’s not an exclusively left phenomenon as has been described. More people are losing their shit about Melania wearing a pith hat than are probably considering voting. Trump suppprters mock identity politics but revel in their identity, which is identity politics, to the point of mocking their “enemies” such as Mrs. Blasey Ford. Tribalism. Constant outrage. Always being mad about shit. Both sides partake. It breeds political apathy and rage towards political opponents and is the cornerstone of modern day American partisanship and cult like behavior.

You don’t find this to be a problem at all?
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« Reply #24668 on: October 10, 2018, 08:58:41 PM »
If you can't even explain what it is, how can I say it's a problem?

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« Reply #24669 on: October 10, 2018, 08:59:15 PM »
thinking pc culture is a major social problem is the dumbest thing
It's not a major problem.  But as I am a liberal I am in close proximity to other liberals so I have plenty of opportunity to be annoyed by it.  It might also help Republicans find electoral success which is a problem.

People confusing their own annoyance with a major social ill is basically my take on this.

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« Reply #24670 on: October 10, 2018, 09:01:34 PM »
can't wait until we take your guns

That’s a very un-PC attitude, you’re supposed to say you support common sense gun laws.

I support common sense gun laws, such as taking Cindi's guns away.

Himu

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« Reply #24671 on: October 10, 2018, 09:03:21 PM »
:lol
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« Reply #24672 on: October 10, 2018, 09:09:38 PM »



Corey Stewart is doing great in Virginia.

Himu

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« Reply #24673 on: October 10, 2018, 09:17:52 PM »
If you can't even explain what it is, how can I say it's a problem?

For me, it’s reveling in identity and making it political. I just read a comment from a far right poster in a comment section that said the West is under attack by far left activists. Their entire world is left vs right and right is their worldview. Or being white or being male. But especially being a conservative or an American. That’s their identity and it’s why they push for America first. Identity politics.

Further reading I guess? Although it is an op-ed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/theworldpost/wp/2018/09/18/identity-politics/?utm_term=.5d8710d2cb8b

I see it as the ultimate expression of pc culture and that it is dangerous.

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« Reply #24674 on: October 10, 2018, 09:18:57 PM »
In other news:

https://mobile.twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1049915432898052096


this is a bitter reminder of how disappointed i was when i found out Sir Anthony Hopkins didn't actually spend his free time murdering, dismembering, and eating people

Mandark

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« Reply #24675 on: October 10, 2018, 09:25:19 PM »
The context for that interview is Fukuyama got famous writing about the "end of history" (ie the end of the Cold War heralding global adoption of liberal democracy as the final form of human sociopolitical evolution), so he's basically giving a long "what had happened was..."

Mandark

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« Reply #24676 on: October 10, 2018, 09:34:49 PM »
Tbf Hopkins never said he DIDN'T eat people

There was a writer for the Federalist literally making that argument on Twitter.

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« Reply #24677 on: October 10, 2018, 09:44:44 PM »
I'm a bit surprised FDR would be a sacred cow for you.
I'm surprised at your surprise, why wouldn't I like FDR?

Cause you identify as a socialist and are typically very critical of liberal Democrats who seek to accommodate business interests in their policymaking.


My standards are actually very low, Sanders isn't a socialist either despite of what he describes himself as but I also like him a lot, I also kind of like Warren despite her being full-on capitalist. Any politician that is semi-honest and sometimes goes against the status quo and established norms to help the middle class is OK in my book yet I fucking despise the vast majoriity politicians exactly because they're all fucking scumbags that can't even meet these low standards.

Ah, good ol far left gatekeeping. Bernie isn’t a “real” socialist because he still believes in democracy. How antiquated of him. How dare he. :snob

Unlike us real socialists that want to be ruled by the state, unless they're are Chomskyist’s that still value democratic solutions. But they still count as real socialists somehow.


No, Sanders is literally a social democrat. I actually fucking hate authoritarian socialists and think they're the root of many if not most the problems the left faces.

kingv

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« Reply #24678 on: October 10, 2018, 10:00:24 PM »
I need an explanation of what someone is thinking of when they say "identity politics" before I can address it, cause everyone seems to have their own personal definition.

I think it’s just the acknowledgment that Black Bernita would be an unstoppable force in the Democratic Party.

kingv

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« Reply #24679 on: October 10, 2018, 10:08:45 PM »
This is quite a read
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2018/10/my-private-oval-office-press-conference-with-donald-trump.html?__twitter_impression=true

Reporter is at the White House, then gets pulled aside randomly for an impromptu meeting with Trump to discuss Kelly's job among other things and the entire White House cast soon joins them.  :lol


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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Everything is awful
« Reply #24680 on: October 10, 2018, 10:11:28 PM »
I need an explanation of what someone is thinking of when they say "identity politics" before I can address it, cause everyone seems to have their own personal definition.

I think it’s just the acknowledgment that Black Bernita would be an unstoppable force in the Democratic Party.

Race and gender mattering in politics isn't new though. It's the reason all our presidents up until Obama have been white guys.

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« Reply #24681 on: October 10, 2018, 10:49:36 PM »
Ah, good ol far left gatekeeping. Bernie isn’t a “real” socialist because he still believes in democracy. How antiquated of him. How dare he. :snob

Unlike us real socialists that want to be ruled by the state, unless they're are Chomskyist’s that still value democratic solutions. But they still count as real socialists somehow.

https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1002430913291091968

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« Reply #24682 on: October 10, 2018, 11:24:23 PM »
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to deport? or what? i'm getting mixed messages here

benjipwns

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« Reply #24683 on: October 10, 2018, 11:36:01 PM »
Race and gender mattering in politics isn't new though. It's the reason all our presidents up until Obama have been white guys.
so the Democrats were lying about Warren Harding being a negro? is there nothing they won't lie about?!?

benjipwns

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« Reply #24684 on: October 10, 2018, 11:44:33 PM »
Look, we're not going to top the original, so why even pretend that anyone here should try?


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« Reply #24685 on: October 11, 2018, 03:36:53 AM »
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If you have both a) liberal individualism where people are free (in theory) to form and pursue their own conceptions of the good life and b) mass participatory (in theory) politics with a public sphere of discourse, then how would you go about extricating people’s conceptions of selfhood -their ‘identities’- from politics?*

Follow-up: when have people’s ‘identities’ ever not been caught up in the real material conditions they find themselves in and the political actions they take, at least in the era of mass politics?

The answers are “you can’t” and “never” and this is why appeals to throw out ‘identity’ or specific ‘identities’ as politically mobilizable categories -as well as any humbugging about the rise of political correctness in principle (read: not humbugging about any particular case)- are red herrings. Contestations over the proper formation of selves and the proper ways of talking about them are not orthogonal to politics in an environment that tries to prioritize the autonomy of the individual. They are absolutely constitutive of it. And attempts to taper down the talk of broadening the set of acceptable ‘identities’ are themselves loaded with commitments over which ‘identities’ are and aren’t legitimate, and thus haven’t yet stepped out of the realm of ‘identity politics’, making them not the least bit, wait for it, reactionary.

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* a) is actually more complicated than this, obv
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« Reply #24686 on: October 11, 2018, 04:43:25 AM »
a) is the interesting part to me - how free really are people in forming an identity and who gets to define the good life in the first place?

Brehvolution

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« Reply #24687 on: October 11, 2018, 10:31:22 AM »
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/10/trump-tv-ratings-fox-news-891621

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One senior White House official was unsure why the network would decide to cut away from presidential rallies, saying officials planned “to look into that” and wouldn’t be surprised if White House communications director Bill Shine, a former Fox News executive, was in touch with former colleagues about the trend.

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One GOP campaign operative said nightly rallies aired live and in full would probably subject Fox News to even greater scrutiny. The channel has often been described as a “propaganda machine” by Trump’s political opponents, many of whom claim its coverage of his administration has at times been sycophantic.

“If every night Trump does a rally, a station carries it, you just become the president’s station,” the GOP operative said.

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« Reply #24688 on: October 11, 2018, 10:34:25 AM »
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1050335358863462400

There isn't enough eye roll gifs on the internet.
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seagrams hotsauce

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« Reply #24689 on: October 11, 2018, 10:46:00 AM »
there's a certain threshold of power that one can cross that makes it impossible for me to take claims of bullying seriously, like when Kanye was whining about the SNL cast 'bullying' him about the MAGA hat a couple weeks ago. bitch please. if you're a rolled-up magazine and a full bladder away from being able to sweet talk the most powerful dipshit on the planet into nuking the moon i don't wanna hear shit about you getting "bullied"

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« Reply #24690 on: October 11, 2018, 10:54:26 AM »
Given how self-obsessed he seems to be, he probably can't keep himself from sniffing all the shit flung his way. Part relentless mockery, part self-harm.

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TakingBackSunday

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« Reply #24692 on: October 11, 2018, 01:16:35 PM »
jesus fucking christ
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Nintex

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« Reply #24693 on: October 11, 2018, 01:25:20 PM »


https://twitter.com/EamonJavers/status/1050427794952458241

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President Donald Trump hinted that he could hit the campaign trail with musician Kanye West, in a Thursday morning interview on Fox News.

“I could see it, I could see it,” Trump said.

 :yeshrug :trumps

Trump/West 2020  :usacry
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« Reply #24695 on: October 11, 2018, 01:34:04 PM »
Everything is a TV show now  :lol

The U.S is so fucked.

Nintex

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« Reply #24696 on: October 11, 2018, 01:39:16 PM »
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1050439543663587331

Everything is a TV show now  :lol

The U.S is so fucked.
And Trump knows it. He said something like:
"I'm having meetings with senators, signing bills nobody cares. They all want this, right?"
*camera flashes*
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Assimilate

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« Reply #24697 on: October 11, 2018, 01:43:55 PM »
Yeah he plays to the liberal media. Its' all so fucking absurd and hilarious.

Nintex

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« Reply #24698 on: October 11, 2018, 01:59:44 PM »
Yeah he plays to the liberal media. Its' all so fucking absurd and hilarious.
They're stunned  :lol

https://twitter.com/BarstoolNewsN/status/1050443657256538113

There's just so many more clips out there of this 'event'
https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1050443872868929538
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studyguy

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« Reply #24699 on: October 11, 2018, 02:02:37 PM »
tbf even Trump knew this dude was wildin with how he reacted

Hit that camera with a :foodcourt after the rant
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jakefromstatefarm

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« Reply #24700 on: October 11, 2018, 02:14:56 PM »
how free really are people in forming an identity
maybe a good direction to take this question is first identifying what it is exactly that freedom consists in. In the Anglo-American context, ‘liberty’ is commonsensically taken as the absence of interference or resistance on the part of external agents (which always break down into two types: 1. other citizens 2. the state), what’s commonly called negative liberty.* Given this and given that the site of identity formation is going to be a political one, so through political institutions, I guess I’d say that, in America, people are as free to form identities only to the extent that they can associate, assemble, enfranchise themselves, etc., without experiencing resistance or interference.** But I’m not sure how much of an answer that is.

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and who gets to define the good life in the first place?
id tentatively say it’s hammered out in the same process as other political contestations are, so negotiated in public discussion, as well as just lived out or enacted by the way people live their everyday lives. I’ve seen critiques of contemporary liberalism (big tent liberalism, not Democratic Party liberalism) that maintain its this exact question, along with the actual definition of the good life, that’s crucially missing in political discourse today, as it’s been supplanted by technocratic language of which means to employ to reach the most Pareto efficient outcome.

*this is not the only definition of liberty
**there are ways of being and doing that are obviously political but aren’t constitutionally enshrined, so add to this list the freedom to produce, labor, migrate, etc.

Nintex

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« Reply #24701 on: October 11, 2018, 02:16:18 PM »
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studyguy

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« Reply #24702 on: October 11, 2018, 02:27:28 PM »

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1050451661745881088
:ufup

While that fuckery is going on, Ross just HAPPENED to remember that OH YEAH, I DEF TOLD THEM TO THROW THAT CITIZENSHIP QUESTION ON THE CENSUS MY BAD

https://twitter.com/amyspitalnick/status/1050441482698715136
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Nintex

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« Reply #24703 on: October 11, 2018, 02:39:33 PM »
How long before Kanye, Trump and Kim Jun Un have a working lunch to spite Mandark. :dead
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benjipwns

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« Reply #24704 on: October 11, 2018, 03:39:27 PM »
Former Bill Kristol Memorial Random Presidential Nominee: "Sorry, Democrats, Progressive Mob Action Is a Real Problem"

agrajag

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« Reply #24705 on: October 11, 2018, 04:07:47 PM »
I long for the days when Stacy Dash was the token dumb black republican.

james

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« Reply #24706 on: October 11, 2018, 04:12:53 PM »
I am so fucking hard for a market crash

20,000 baby lets do it
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kingv

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« Reply #24707 on: October 11, 2018, 04:12:55 PM »
Kanye is a crazy person, and Candace Owens is merely an obvious grifter... but everything about Diamond and Silk is deeply offensive.

Nintex

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« Reply #24708 on: October 11, 2018, 04:50:02 PM »
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1050485351431725057

Schumer made another deal with Cocaine Mitch.

Meanwhile, Kanye is impromptu campaigning in Apple stores

https://twitter.com/jackmjenkins/status/1050488062529196032
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« Reply #24709 on: October 11, 2018, 06:13:41 PM »
Former Bill Kristol Memorial Random Presidential Nominee: "Sorry, Democrats, Progressive Mob Action Is a Real Problem"

He's on Twitter defending this piece and getting slapped around by Jonathan Chait of all people. French should just call out tomorrow and take a long weekend.

Nintex

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« Reply #24710 on: October 11, 2018, 06:26:37 PM »
This is the top hit for the Kanye trending hashtag on Twitter
https://twitter.com/GeorgiasLori/status/1050504991151190016

This the second
https://twitter.com/VP/status/1050511828768428033

This is also a thing
https://twitter.com/Paul_Sacca/status/1050508423551442944


And an NRA ad which is just part of Kanye's rant about illegal guns.
 :doge
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studyguy

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« Reply #24711 on: October 11, 2018, 06:34:43 PM »
This page is nothing but cursed images now

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1050483415999483904
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« Reply #24712 on: October 11, 2018, 07:44:10 PM »
Further reading I guess? Although it is an op-ed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/theworldpost/wp/2018/09/18/identity-politics/?utm_term=.5d8710d2cb8b

I see it as the ultimate expression of pc culture and that it is dangerous.
From the author of that op-ed:




edit: It's the hashtag that really makes it for me. Got to make sure people searching #WarCrimes see my baby skeleton decoration tweet.
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Aran

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« Reply #24713 on: October 11, 2018, 11:30:51 PM »
It's going to be great when Trump is in his second term and replacing like the seventh Supreme Court justice

TakingBackSunday

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« Reply #24714 on: October 11, 2018, 11:58:55 PM »
Fuck off
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Aran

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« Reply #24715 on: October 12, 2018, 12:06:47 AM »
Just imagine a solid Conservative slant to the country for the rest of your natural born life. Not a single liberal law passes, nothing but Conservatism for a century. I can't wait.

Mandark

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« Reply #24716 on: October 12, 2018, 12:08:06 AM »
Fuck off

Can't believe you bit on that bait. :ufup

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« Reply #24717 on: October 12, 2018, 01:36:55 AM »
my favourite snap of the bunch

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« Reply #24718 on: October 12, 2018, 07:30:30 AM »

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« Reply #24719 on: October 12, 2018, 10:26:52 AM »
Someone should nuke Saudi Arabia
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