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Himu

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« Reply #25380 on: October 28, 2018, 07:40:15 PM »
Benji plz don’t dox
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« Reply #25381 on: October 28, 2018, 07:42:13 PM »
i had a mild chuckle at seeing he was arrested in the town of Plantation

this script is terrible

Also fun fact: We graduated from the same high school  :doge

Himu

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« Reply #25382 on: October 28, 2018, 07:43:05 PM »
Nooo benji noooo
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« Reply #25383 on: October 28, 2018, 07:49:45 PM »
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« Reply #25384 on: October 28, 2018, 07:50:29 PM »
Filler!
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« Reply #25385 on: October 28, 2018, 08:07:10 PM »


The problem is the two party system. It should for all intents and purposes be abolished. If there’s only two parties there’s only two options. Therefore the parties are only ever working as an opposition to the other. They don’t want to agree on issues they know they’re wrong on because agreeing would make them more similar and therefore lead to their death. It’s an attempt to differentiate themselves in platform and ideology from the other. Which is bad because it’s designed to be reactionary. The republicans last week said all week that the bombs were false flags because the democrats are an oppositional party and they must go agaisnt them.

The result is two parties made up of several different groups and interests that are self contradicting. So you’ll have liberals say they support Jews while also supporting women’s march which is ran by anti semites that bar people who believe in the development and protection of a Jewish nation but don’t want to say anything because one of the creators is Muslim and they don’t want to appear racist. Or you’ll have conservatives that include those with libertarian ethic that somehow are against certain personal liberties because the religious wing of the party don’t support it. Essentially, different interest coalesce by default.

Voting for the lesser of two evils is the only real choice because we are offered only two choices. If we had three or four choices things would be much better and maybe people's interests wouldn’t be sacrificed. 
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« Reply #25386 on: October 28, 2018, 08:07:38 PM »
Oh filler's back, all these bitches can stop crying now.  :D

Himu

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« Reply #25387 on: October 28, 2018, 09:03:19 PM »
Saw a Palestinian event that was against white supremacy. They offer support to those killed in yesterday’s shooting while saying the event is anti-person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation friendly.

This is the anti semitism that should be addressed by the left.
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« Reply #25388 on: October 28, 2018, 09:07:26 PM »
anti-person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation =/= anti-semitic

Which is not to say that the former isn't used as a fig leaf for the latter.

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« Reply #25389 on: October 28, 2018, 09:15:23 PM »
Demanding Palestinians not oppose their own colonization is stupid as hell.

Himu

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« Reply #25390 on: October 28, 2018, 09:16:33 PM »
Oh sure, anti-person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation isn’t anti-semitism...in theory. Except the people are wishing condolences towards a group of people who they wish have no homeland. The man says,”death to all Jews” while killing 11 people and they hold a vigil that’s anti-person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation? This would discount the majority of American Jews. So Jews wouldn’t be allowed at a vigil that would claim to support the Jewish people?

That’s where the anti-semitism comes from.
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curly

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« Reply #25391 on: October 28, 2018, 09:24:30 PM »
Three boys got killed in Gaza today by an Israeli airstrike and you want Palestinians to soft-pedal their anti-Zionism.

curly

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« Reply #25392 on: October 28, 2018, 09:47:51 PM »
honestly I don't know

Himu

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« Reply #25393 on: October 28, 2018, 09:52:52 PM »
Three boys got killed in Gaza today by an Israeli airstrike and you want Palestinians to soft-pedal their anti-Zionism.

Yes. They want Jews gone from the area entirely as if Jews just suddenly came in 1948. And they like to pretend Jews weren’t there for thousands of years. They want no Jews at all and do not want a co-existence. Anti-Zionism has two flavors: no to a full Jewish state and no to no Jews at all in the area. Guess which one is what most Palestinians are for. So to say you support Jews but deny them a home? Yeah, i consider it anti-Semitic and much different than having reasonable criticism against the jewish state.
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Himu

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« Reply #25394 on: October 28, 2018, 09:56:03 PM »
It's obvious she gets a lot of right wing content in her circles.

Anyway this reminds me of that Curb episode where Larry starts eating at the Palestinian chicken place.

“It’s obvious she has a lot of right wing in her circles” as if supporting jews to have their own state as a left vs right position is telling. You’re probably fine that women’s march bans people who believe in the development and protection of a Jewish nation or that Jewish people that had a lgbt Israel flag can be kicked out of pride.

This isn’t a left vs right position. It’s a supporting Jewish people vs not supporting Jewish people position.

https://wgntv.com/2017/06/26/chicago-woman-kicked-out-of-march-over-jewish-pride-flag/

Must be a far right position.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2018/03/192463/anti-semitism-womens-march-jewish-community-reaction-essay

This too.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45030552

Don’t forget this one.
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seagrams hotsauce

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« Reply #25397 on: October 28, 2018, 10:09:00 PM »
it has nothing to do with the right yet here you are chastising liberals for not addressing antisemitism enough the day after a right wing lunatic murdered nearly a dozen Jews in a synagogue

curly

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« Reply #25398 on: October 28, 2018, 10:09:40 PM »
tbh she's right. there's nothing more centrist than throwing palestinians under the bus and supporting an apartheid state.

seagrams hotsauce

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« Reply #25399 on: October 28, 2018, 10:12:38 PM »
i love how Cindi is trying to make her case by clearly just googling "liberal+antisemitism" and posting the results :lol

Himu

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« Reply #25400 on: October 28, 2018, 10:18:53 PM »
I read many of these a long time ago Seagrams, especially the women’s march crap. Some are in my history, some I had to google to find again. But I’ve read them.

Also I’m against anti-Semitism in general. You’re playing teams. You’re so offended that I dare mention anti semitism on the left just because a shooter was right wing when the real enemy is anti-semitism and not political teams.

You clearly are more interested in playing your team.

Going by your logic I shouldn’t mention Farrakhan’s  anti-semitism because he’s an icon on the left? That’s what you’re telling me.
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Himu

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« Reply #25401 on: October 28, 2018, 10:24:15 PM »
tbh she's right. there's nothing more centrist than throwing palestinians under the bus and supporting an apartheid state.

Yup. Very centrist. ::)



Jews bat for me, I’ll bat for them. I refuse to break that silent pact, socialist.
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curly

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« Reply #25402 on: October 28, 2018, 10:24:26 PM »
Shut the fuck up dumbass

"Playing teams" God centrism is the dumbest ideology

Himu

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« Reply #25403 on: October 28, 2018, 10:26:13 PM »
Let it all out. Let it REEEEEEEE. Bububu centrism. Just like a Reset poster.
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curly

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« Reply #25404 on: October 28, 2018, 10:30:13 PM »
can't wait until you ragequit again and then come crying back in a couple months swearing you've learned

"guys I've learned...blaming white people is wrong. we should all get along. pls forgive me"

"guys I've learned...going full Republican is wrong. we should all get along. pls forgive me"

benjipwns

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« Reply #25405 on: October 28, 2018, 10:41:44 PM »
Israel was founded as a socialist state tho

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Himu

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« Reply #25406 on: October 28, 2018, 10:48:14 PM »
can't wait until you ragequit again and then come crying back in a couple months swearing you've learned

"guys I've learned...blaming white people is wrong. we should all get along. pls forgive me"

"guys I've learned...going full Republican is wrong. we should all get along. pls forgive me"

:lol

I notice you and your ilk are only, ever, capable of insults.



You have nothing to threaten me with. Nothing to do with all your strength. Bad arguments, nothing but rhetoric and emotions. Eat it, leftist.
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curly

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« Reply #25407 on: October 28, 2018, 10:53:08 PM »
why should I waste my time arguing with you when I can wait three months for you to become an anarcho-syndicalist and do it yourself

Himu

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« Reply #25408 on: October 28, 2018, 10:55:03 PM »
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seagrams hotsauce

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« Reply #25409 on: October 28, 2018, 11:09:31 PM »
can't wait until you ragequit again and then come crying back in a couple months swearing you've learned

"guys I've learned...blaming white people is wrong. we should all get along. pls forgive me"

"guys I've learned...going full Republican is wrong. we should all get along. pls forgive me"

:lol

I notice you and your ilk are only, ever, capable of insults.

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You have nothing to threaten me with. Nothing to do with all your strength. Bad arguments, nothing but rhetoric and emotions. Eat it, leftist.

i posted four words yesterday and you immediately launched into an ad hominem :lol

Himu

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« Reply #25410 on: October 28, 2018, 11:29:35 PM »
I like how within a few posts I was accused of being a right wing supporter and then pegged as a centrist. :doge Looking back, the discussion gives me life. The left mentality to pidgeon hole and place in boxes is too stronk.

Supporting Jews sure does bring the heat. Imagine actually being Jewish. I can’t imagine.

The left posters sure are assholes. To be honest, all of the new ones are trash. Agrajag, Seagrams, 21337, shasta McNasty, curly. Just jabs, japes, and jokes. Predictably, that’s all they have. I notice routinely that sarcastic japes is something many young folks on the left really have. Shit, the same can be said about the morons on the right with their giant dad and soyboy shit.

“Centrism is the worst ideology.”

nicca really said that. :dead

I’m starting to notice a pattern. Minority advocates for self defense after three terrorist attacks in a week, ridicule. Supports a people that almost genocide’d out of existence having their own country, outrage. Centrism is the devil.

Sniff the roses, Cindi. You’re back in lefty town. Too bad Andre was right, they really do smell like doo doo.

Time to watch Canada Cup. :doge
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curly

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« Reply #25411 on: October 28, 2018, 11:37:17 PM »
I accept your future apology Cindi. I know you can't help yourself.

seagrams hotsauce

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« Reply #25412 on: October 28, 2018, 11:38:12 PM »
"you guys are only ever capable of insults"
literally the next post
"everyone who disagrees with me is an asshole"

benjipwns

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« Reply #25413 on: October 28, 2018, 11:52:54 PM »
Centrism, in and of itself, is a terrible ideology because it doesn't really mean anything and relies on an endless set of temporary presumptions. To use a spin on the age old reducto, if Stalin is to your right, and Hitler to your left, what value lies "centrism"?

Now, if you were to take all of ones disparate views/votes and tally them up in some form and come out in the "center" that's completely different. For one thing, we're actually defining the values that matter.

benjipwns

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« Reply #25414 on: October 28, 2018, 11:55:07 PM »
Centrism also shouldn't be confused for pragmatism. Nor acting within the bounds of the possible.

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benjipwns

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« Reply #25416 on: October 29, 2018, 12:03:23 AM »

benjipwns

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« Reply #25417 on: October 29, 2018, 12:06:12 AM »
"hey, you're quite the problem solver..."
"WOW, WOW, NO LABELS OKAY!!!"

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« Reply #25418 on: October 29, 2018, 12:11:39 AM »
Usually "problem solving" is just their gut feeling that cutting social programs would be very serious and noble. If you point out that they're completely begging the question (let's fix SS! :spin) then you're obviously not seriously serious.
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benjipwns

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« Reply #25419 on: October 29, 2018, 12:13:05 AM »
The status quo is, always, always changing! :ohyou

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benjipwns

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« Reply #25420 on: October 29, 2018, 01:13:25 AM »
one of these Russian oligarchs whose son or whatever that Paul Manafort was dealing with in Ukraine is literally named German Khan

his parents really missed out by not naming him German Napoleon Khan

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« Reply #25421 on: October 29, 2018, 01:17:50 AM »
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According to WikiLeaks leaked US diplomatic cables, he was alleged in the past by other businesspeople to have carried handguns to business meetings in Russia.
so he must not be rich enough to have elite ex-Spetnaz bodyguards or what? i don't understand


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« Reply #25424 on: October 29, 2018, 04:17:08 AM »
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/28/media/lou-dobbs-fox-news-guest/
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The Fox Business Network has a Lou Dobbs problem.

On Sunday, the network's senior vice president for programming, Gary Schreier, released a statement denouncing what many people called an anti-Semitic trope used by a guest on Dobbs' show earlier in the week.

The remark drew widespread condemnation when the episode in which it was made was rebroadcast Saturday, hours after a gunman walked into a Pittsburgh synagogue and murdered 11 people in what the Anti-Defamation League called the deadliest anti-Semitic attack in US history.

"We condemn the rhetoric by the guest on Lou Dobbs Tonight," Schreier said in a short statement. "This episode was a repeat which has now been pulled from all future airings."

The comment in question was made by Chris Farrell, a board member of the right-wing organization Judicial Watch, during Thursday night's episode of Dobbs' show. During a segment about the caravan of migrants moving toward the US' southern border, Farrell called the State Department "Soros-occupied" territory, referring to billionaire and liberal philanthropist George Soros, one of the targets of mail bombs discovered earlier this week.

Critics on Saturday were quick to point out that this language echoes a popular anti-Semitic trope. When reached by phone on Sunday, Farrell told CNN he had no comment and hung up.

It wasn't the first time that Farrell had used this language on Dobbs' show. Farrell, a regular guest on the network, called the State Department "Soros-occupied territory" during a May 21 episode.

A Fox spokesperson told CNN Business by email that Farrell will no longer be booked for appearances on the Fox Business Network or its sister channel Fox News.

But the Fox spokesperson did not respond when asked whether Dobbs, who did not condemn or even push back on what Farrell said, was culpable for the comment his guest made on his air.

The Fox spokesperson also did not respond to questions about Dobbs' own rhetoric on Soros. Dobbs is Fox Business Network's highest-rated host.

In the past, Dobbs has referred to Soros as an "evil SOB" and "insidious." Dobbs has also peddled various conspiracy theories about Soros.


This isn't the first time this week that Dobbs has faced widespread criticism. On Thursday, he sent multiple conspiratorial tweets about the bombs mailed to high-profile Democrats, Soros, and the New York offices of CNN.

Dobbs asserted, without evidence, that such reports were "fake news." He called the explosive devices, which the FBI said appeared to be pipe bombs, "fake bombs" in a now-deleted tweet. In a follow-up tweet, which he also deleted, Dobbs said the "fake news has just successfully changed the narrative" with coverage of the mail bombs. Dobbs never apologized.
come on DIMMS just you try to take down LOU for SPEAKING HIS TRUTH TO POWER AND EXPOSING THE SOROS TENTACLES :punch

benjipwns

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« Reply #25425 on: October 29, 2018, 04:21:47 AM »
Is it anti-semitic because it's a play on "Israeli-occupied territory" or am I just having a brain fart?

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« Reply #25426 on: October 29, 2018, 04:29:15 AM »
It's a version of the trope that powerful Jews are bringing in immigrants to undermine the white political system.

Which was a main motive in the synagogue shooting and explains the "Jews will not replace us!" chants at Charlottesville, etc.

benjipwns

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« Reply #25427 on: October 29, 2018, 04:47:17 AM »
At the State Department though? Everyone knows that's been run by (((Marxists))) since the 1930's.

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« Reply #25428 on: October 29, 2018, 05:02:20 AM »
*Doesn't get counted as new leftist trash*

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« Reply #25429 on: October 29, 2018, 05:13:56 AM »
You're all trash.

*flip flops from one extreme ideology to another*
*acts flippant and belligerent towards anyone with opposing views*
*ragequits "forever" only to come crawling back multiple times*

Yep, it's the "new people" that are the problem.

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« Reply #25430 on: October 29, 2018, 05:40:35 AM »
yeah! i've been trash that's lowering the level of discourse here too!

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« Reply #25431 on: October 29, 2018, 06:16:28 AM »
one of these Russian oligarchs whose son or whatever that Paul Manafort was dealing with in Ukraine is literally named German Khan

his parents really missed out by not naming him German Napoleon Khan

KHAAAAAAAAN!!!!

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« Reply #25432 on: October 29, 2018, 08:18:48 AM »
"you guys are only ever capable of insults"
literally the next post
"everyone who disagrees with me is an asshole"

I learned that the politics thread is just another thread to shut up other forums style. Save your care posts for non-bold topics and replies to Toku or Valk.

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« Reply #25433 on: October 29, 2018, 08:20:29 AM »
I have to say this isn’t the October surprise I expected.

I’d like to thank the Filipino arm of the undefeated  Seminole nation for making this possible.

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« Reply #25434 on: October 29, 2018, 03:47:34 PM »
Trump's has changed his 'tone' based on his Twitter feed.
In between the daily rants and insults about Democrats there's calls for unity, peace and harmony.

Also the military is waiting for the caravan.  :doge
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« Reply #25435 on: October 29, 2018, 03:49:36 PM »
Just means somebody else is trying to damage control on the account and it's being negated by the actual dude's batshit insane fascist conspiracies or whatever. :trumps
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« Reply #25436 on: October 29, 2018, 03:55:23 PM »
Centrism also shouldn't be confused for pragmatism. Nor acting within the bounds of the possible.
what if you're a firm believer in the status quo and you really, really like the way things are

For anyone who wants a left-wing or right-wing party that strongly stands for something, centrism is bullshit. I personally hate the type of politics where no matter who you vote for you're vaguely getting a similar package.

That said, it has been successful in getting parties elected and that is why it has survived. Third-Way politics is what got Bill Clinton and Tony Blair elected. In fact in terms of the Labour party in the UK it was pretty much unelectable until 'New Labour' which campaigned on a much softer labour platform.

I don't like centrist politics, but at I at least understand why it is attractive to some. Anything moving towards something radical comes with a strong amount of risk. And history has shown us the dangers of radical politics. Many people simply don't have the stomach for it.  It seems a safer bet voting for a more centrist party than any party that has strong political principles and beliefs.
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« Reply #25437 on: October 29, 2018, 05:04:07 PM »
Centrism also shouldn't be confused for pragmatism. Nor acting within the bounds of the possible.
what if you're a firm believer in the status quo and you really, really like the way things are

For anyone who wants a left-wing or right-wing party that strongly stands for something, centrism is bullshit. I personally hate the type of politics where no matter who you vote for you're vaguely getting a similar package.

That said, it has been succesful in getting parties elected and that is why it has survived. Third-Way politics is what got Bill Clinton and Tony Blair elected. In fact in terms of the Labour party in the UK it was pretty much unelectable until 'New Labour' which campaigned on a much softer labour platform.

I don't like centrist politics, but at I at least understand why it is attractive to some. Anything moving towards something radical comes with a strong amount of risk. And history has shown us the dangers of radical politics. Many people simply don't have the stomach for it.  It seems a safer bet voting for a more centrist party than any party that has strong political principles and beliefs.
Modern centrist politics were pretty much invented by the Dutch prime minister Wim Kok.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/wim-kok-dead-prime-minister-netherlands-third-way-blair-clinton-srebrinica-a8598386.html

He had been union leader for most of his carreer and had concluded that if capital and labor were to work together all problems could be solved and dealt with.
Labour was too small to govern alone and the socialist communist party would never be elected. He didn't want another cabinet with the Christians which had pretty much been the driving force of politics since WW2.
So he decided to team-up with the Liberal conservatives and the newly formed liberal reform party to create what was called a 'Purple' government (Blue = liberal capital / Red = labour)
Brits and Americans looked anxiously at the Dutch politics of the 90's because the newly formed alliance got a lot of things 'done'. Clinton famously said: "Wim was first" to create this new third way of politics.

Just like Iraq was the end for Blair, our government collapsed over the Balkan wars, Kok's failure to protect the Srebrenicia Enclave.
And just like it happened internationally the atmosphere in our country had started to change during the course of this 8 year centrist rule.
An independent politician and academic named Pim Fortuyn wrote a book called: "The mess of 8 purple years"
which before 9/11 described how our country had been hollowed out by centrists policies and the west would soon find itself in deep trouble were it not to change course.
He eerily predicted all events that would happen after his death. Such as the economic crisis, the shift from an economic to an ideological EU and how it would be unsustainable to enact German economic policies on southern European states, Italy and Greece.
He also blamed the centrists or third way movement of paving the way for mass poverty for future generations. As the only solution that all sides agreed on was to spend more public money to solve problems.
Lastly he feared that all gains made by the LGTB community (he was gay himself) would be erased by not preventing the spread of radical islamism. He famously called muslim culture 'distinguished mentally-challenged' for having head veils and their backwards view on women and gays in particular. He was a big supporter of free speech and wished for everything to be debated. Especially the things that were covered and buttered up to not upset the centrist alliance.

He had sat alone in debate against the ruling clash and had completely and utterly destroyed them live on television. He was shot right before he could be elected a few months after 9/11.

Pretty much all other countries depending on third way politics ended up the same. The UK with Brexit and the US with Trump. The pendulum swung back hard after people discovered they had been duped.
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« Reply #25438 on: October 29, 2018, 05:37:53 PM »
Brits and Americans looked anxiously at the Dutch politics of the 90's because the newly formed alliance got a lot of things 'done'. Clinton famously said: "Wim was first" to create this new third way of politics.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Everything is awful
« Reply #25439 on: October 29, 2018, 05:55:25 PM »
Centrism also shouldn't be confused for pragmatism. Nor acting within the bounds of the possible.
what if you're a firm believer in the status quo and you really, really like the way things are

For anyone who wants a left-wing or right-wing party that strongly stands for something, centrism is bullshit. I personally hate the type of politics where no matter who you vote for you're vaguely getting a similar package.

That said, it has been succesful in getting parties elected and that is why it has survived. Third-Way politics is what got Bill Clinton and Tony Blair elected. In fact in terms of the Labour party in the UK it was pretty much unelectable until 'New Labour' which campaigned on a much softer labour platform.

I don't like centrist politics, but at I at least understand why it is attractive to some. Anything moving towards something radical comes with a strong amount of risk. And history has shown us the dangers of radical politics. Many people simply don't have the stomach for it.  It seems a safer bet voting for a more centrist party than any party that has strong political principles and beliefs.
Modern centrist politics were pretty much invented by the Dutch prime minister Wim Kok.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/wim-kok-dead-prime-minister-netherlands-third-way-blair-clinton-srebrinica-a8598386.html

He had been union leader for most of his carreer and had concluded that if capital and labor were to work together all problems could be solved and dealt with.
Labour was too small to govern alone and the socialist communist party would never be elected. He didn't want another cabinet with the Christians which had pretty much been the driving force of politics since WW2.
So he decided to team-up with the Liberal conservatives and the newly formed liberal reform party to create what was called a 'Purple' government (Blue = liberal capital / Red = labour)
Brits and Americans looked anxiously at the Dutch politics of the 90's because the newly formed alliance got a lot of things 'done'. Clinton famously said: "Wim was first" to create this new third way of politics.

Just like Iraq was the end for Blair, our government collapsed over the Balkan wars, Kok's failure to protect the Srebrenicia Enclave.
And just like it happened internationally the atmosphere in our country had started to change during the course of this 8 year centrist rule.
An independent politician and academic named Pim Fortuyn wrote a book called: "The mess of 8 purple years"
which before 9/11 described how our country had been hollowed out by centrists policies and the west would soon find itself in deep trouble were it not to change course.
He eerily predicted all events that would happen after his death. Such as the economic crisis, the shift from an economic to an ideological EU and how it would be unsustainable to enact German economic policies on southern European states, Italy and Greece.
He also blamed the centrists or third way movement of paving the way for mass poverty for future generations. As the only solution that all sides agreed on was to spend more public money to solve problems.
Lastly he feared that all gains made by the LGTB community (he was gay himself) would be erased by not preventing the spread of radical islamism. He famously called muslim culture 'distinguished mentally-challenged' for having head veils and their backwards view on women and gays in particular. He was a big supporter of free speech and wished for everything to be debated. Especially the things that were covered and buttered up to not upset the centrist alliance.

He had sat alone in debate against the ruling clash and had completely and utterly destroyed them live on television. He was shot right before he could be elected a few months after 9/11.

Pretty much all other countries depending on third way politics ended up the same. The UK with Brexit and the US with Trump. The pendulum swung back hard after people discovered they had been duped.

Yeah. It has something to do with the particular issues of the day. What made 'New Labour' attractive over 'Old Labour' was its positioning away from its close ties with the trade unions and socialist policies. This is what sunk Labour in the first place. The abuses of power within the trade unions made the public hostile towards them, for instance. Over time though the public has grown sick of this type of centrist politics though.
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