US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[CatsCatsCats]

It’s kinda weird just seeing a Warren/Sanders slap fight. Guess her being a woman is enough to make the Hillbots happy? Idgi

[Mandark]

It's just console warz all the way down.

[agrajag]

yeah it's console wars, no difference at all in their platforms

[CatsCatsCats]

Would vote for either of them happily 🤷‍♀️

[Kara]

It’s kinda weird just seeing a Warren/Sanders slap fight. Guess her being a woman is enough to make the Hillbots happy? Idgi

I'd draw a connection between her "I've got a plan for that" product differentiation and the Hillary Clinton camp's position that she was the most qualified candidate ever (plus she had a bunch of policies on her website no one visited). Essentially technocracy rides unto the breach once more.

[agrajag]

Would vote for either of them happily 🤷‍♀️

I would even vote for Biden over Trump, so what

[CatsCatsCats]

happily

Biden? begrudgingly

[Mandark]

Twitter's going to be unreadable during the primaries. Bernie stans are already hypersensitive and the Hillarybots are going to migrate to another candidate the way Sega fanboys jumped to Microsoft after the Dreamcast died.

[james]

Bernie is 3DS
Warren is Switch
Yang is Ouyu
Biden is PSone (the small one)
Gillbitch is the Jaguar go fuck yourself
Harris is Xbone

[CatsCatsCats]

360 was lit, so I guess I need to become team Warren


E: switch, too

[agrajag]

happily

Biden? begrudgingly

I would vote for Warren begrudgingly. Now we see eye to eye.

[CatsCatsCats]

I honestly can’t imagine seeing that big of a gulf between Warren and Sanders. Y u so 2016 salty?


Like, I literally have money on Bernie winning but ain’t gonna get caught up in all that

[benjipwns]

what a bunch of nerds

[agrajag]

I honestly can’t imagine seeing that big of a gulf between Warren and Sanders. Y u so 2016 salty?

nothing to do with 2016 although she admits that the game was rigged, and she was essentially part of it.

I don't like that she's a former registered republican, her shitty Native American stunt, hawkish on Iran, voted to increase the military budget, her support of Bibi's corrupt and far right regime in Israel and their attacks on Palestinian civilians--she's a war hawk, clapped for Trump and his stupid anti-socialism rant, her "I'm a proud capitalist" nonsense, her willingness to accept campaign contributions from big money,.

Aside from the Native valor stealing, which is whatever, Bernie is diametrically opposite on all those issues.

[ToxicAdam]

So, she sounds like a candidate that can actually win a national election.

[agrajag]

War-ren is a perfect candidate for a Newt Gingrich-loving Republican like ToxicAdam

[Mandark]

I honestly can’t imagine seeing that big of a gulf between Warren and Sanders. Y u so 2016 salty?

nothing to do with 2016 although she admits that the game was rigged, and she was essentially part of it.

I don't like that she's a former registered republican, her shitty Native American stunt, hawkish on Iran, voted to increase the military budget, her support of Bibi's corrupt and far right regime jn Israel and their attacks on Palestinian civilians--she's a war hawk, clapped for Trump and his stupid anti-socialism rant, her "I'm a proud capitalist" nonsense, her willingness to accept campaign contributions from big money,.

Aside from the Native valor stealing, which is whatever, Bernie is diametrically opposite on all those issues.

If you were to try to make a list like this for Bernie, what would it look like?

[agrajag]

He voted for Biden's Crime Bill? What else?

[ToxicAdam]

War-ren is a perfect candidate for a Newt Gingrich-loving Republican like ToxicAdam

I never expect nuance from someone that thinks political purity tests are how you judge a candidate.

Enjoy your Barry Goldwater campaign, if you ever get it.

[Dickie Dee]

He voted for Biden's Crime Bill? What else?

He helped get Trump elected out of spite

[agrajag]

He helped get Trump elected

 

[Dickie Dee]

 

[VomKriege]

I honestly can’t imagine seeing that big of a gulf between Warren and Sanders. Y u so 2016 salty?

nothing to do with 2016 although she admits that the game was rigged, and she was essentially part of it.

I don't like that she's a former registered republican, her shitty Native American stunt, hawkish on Iran, voted to increase the military budget, her support of Bibi's corrupt and far right regime in Israel and their attacks on Palestinian civilians--she's a war hawk, clapped for Trump and his stupid anti-socialism rant, her "I'm a proud capitalist" nonsense, her willingness to accept campaign contributions from big money,.

Aside from the Native valor stealing, which is whatever, Bernie is diametrically opposite on all those issues.

I don't mean it as an excuse but myopic support for Israel, voting lavish military budgets and engaging in at least some saber rattling towards country X that has been picked for the Axis of Evil slot at the moment are all features-not-bugs for the major pretenders except Sanders aren't they ? It is what it is.

[Nintex]

If Warren makes it to the general with Trump she could be the first presidential candidate to burst out in tears live on air during a debate.

Hillary could sort of take the abuse with a ' ' face after all those years. I'm not sure everyone else would keep it cool next to an opponent that behaves like a sadistic stalking serial killer when you debate him.
The Biden family has the thing with the dead son of whom the widow married the brother and then divorced. Trump will bring that up. In fact family stuff is one of the reasons why Biden was unsure about running in the first place.
As we know from inviting the people who accused Bill of abuse as debate guests Trump is willing to do anything to intimidate his opponent.

The Democratic primary is sort of kiddy pool compared to the nasty campaign that is surely to follow.

[agrajag]

I honestly can’t imagine seeing that big of a gulf between Warren and Sanders. Y u so 2016 salty?

nothing to do with 2016 although she admits that the game was rigged, and she was essentially part of it.

I don't like that she's a former registered republican, her shitty Native American stunt, hawkish on Iran, voted to increase the military budget, her support of Bibi's corrupt and far right regime in Israel and their attacks on Palestinian civilians--she's a war hawk, clapped for Trump and his stupid anti-socialism rant, her "I'm a proud capitalist" nonsense, her willingness to accept campaign contributions from big money,.

Aside from the Native valor stealing, which is whatever, Bernie is diametrically opposite on all those issues.

I don't mean it as an excuse but myopic support for Israel, voting lavish military budgets and engaging in at least some saber rattling towards country X that has been picked for the Axis of Evil slot at the moment are all features-not-bugs for the major pretenders except Sanders aren't they ? It is what it is.

I'm not debating their electability, although she consistently does worse h2h in polls against Trump and I firmly believe she would be smashed in the general, I am talking about who aligns more with my values.

[james]

I would be a good candidate

[agrajag]

I would be a good candidate

tell us about your platform

[Kara]

So, she sounds like a candidate that can actually win a national election.

After 2016 you're really going to say this so authoritatively?

[jakefromstatefarm]

It’s kinda weird just seeing a Warren/Sanders slap fight. Guess her being a woman is enough to make the Hillbots happy? Idgi

I'd draw a connection between her "I've got a plan for that" product differentiation and the Hillary Clinton camp's position that she was the most qualified candidate ever (plus she had a bunch of policies on her website no one visited). Essentially technocracy rides unto the breach once more.

yeah, she’s got the same wonkish respectability. there’s a take to be had that the medium’s mattered far more than the message when it’s come to dividing the two (warren/sanders, I mean) in the electorate’s eyes.

He voted for Biden's Crime Bill? What else?

bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq(1998)

e: lemme be clear, warren’s definitely more hawkish

[james]

I would be a good candidate

tell us about your platform

I didnt vote for the crime bill
I didnt vote for the Iraq war
I didnt vote to bail out the banks
I didnt vote to increase military funds
I never registered as a Republican
I have not accepted a dime from big corporations

Thats just a start

[Tasty]

Warren is Switch

[agrajag]

https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-revisits-vote-against-iraq-war-16th-anniversary-invasion-2019-3

https://votesmart.org/bill/7717/21400/27110/bosnia-deployment-termination-amendment

 

[ToxicAdam]

So, she sounds like a candidate that can actually win a national election.

After 2016 you're really going to say this so authoritatively?

Sure, she's Hillary without 2 decades of baggage lugging behind her.

[agrajag]

I would be a good candidate

tell us about your platform

I didnt vote for the crime bill
I didnt vote for the Iraq war
I didnt vote to bail out the banks
I didnt vote to increase military funds
I never registered as a Republican
I have not accepted a dime from big corporations

Thats just a start

that's not a platform, tell us about what you stand FOR

[agrajag]

oh, clever, you didn't specify which Iraq war initially. I see you 

[james]

I would be a good candidate

tell us about your platform

I didnt vote for the crime bill
I didnt vote for the Iraq war
I didnt vote to bail out the banks
I didnt vote to increase military funds
I never registered as a Republican
I have not accepted a dime from big corporations

Thats just a start

that's not a platform, tell us about what you stand FOR

-Middle class good
-Rich bad
-Poor eh
-Small companies good
-Big companies bad
-Bikes good
-Cars bad
-Free college good
-Free doctors eh
-Entire military budget should be shifted to fighting climate change
-Bush admin should be charged with war crimes
-Trump admin should be charged at the Hague
-Andrew Jackson off the money
-Abolish the penny

[ToxicAdam]

James, hopefully you've had those beliefs since conception, otherwise you're politically impure and not worthy of the crown.

[james]

James, hopefully you've had those beliefs since conception, otherwise you're politically impure and not worthy of the crown.

Youll find my views have been consistent in my 20 years of online posting, including in news groups.

[agrajag]

majority of things I listed were from the past year, but don't let facts get in the way of your feelings, Adam

[Mandark]

He voted for Biden's Crime Bill? What else?

Sponsored a bill to have nuclear waste from Vermont shipped to a poor latino community in Texas. Fairly long history of being a "left" immigration hawk (ie "open borders" is a Koch brothers plan). When protesters picketed a GE plant making Gatling guns for the US and its rightwing allies in Central America, sided with GE and had them arrested. Supported Bill Clinton's 1993 austerity budget as well as incrementalist neoliberal policies like private insurance portability. As mayor of Burlington, an aide said they "out-Republicaned the Republicans." Voted to make it harder for felons to sue prisons. Voted for god knows how many bloated military budgets, as well as the AUMF. Said Andrew Gillum and Stacey Abrams lost because white people don't want to vote for a black candidate but that's not racism.


You can make most of those sound better by providing context and he's still on the left edge of elected US senators and credible presidential candidates (I'm the pragmatist squish of the board so of course I feel that way). But might still be worth examining why you're not aware of these things.

[agrajag]

Warren is better than Hillary, but of course ToxicAdam couldn't tell the difference.

[Mandark]

Anyways we can parse the differences between Warren and Sanders all we want but when the best case scenario probably involves Joe Manchin as the 50th vote and Chuck Grassley as the 60th...

[agrajag]

I am fully committed to voting for whomever the Dem nominee turns out to be. Embittered Hillbots that have gone fully on tilt, on the other had, I'm not so sure are prepared to do the same.

[Mandark]

Worth remembering that only a small fraction of people regularly discuss politics online, and a small fraction of that fraction actually take strong positions on intra-party feuds.

In that small online swamp of 2016 reenactors, however, both camps are fucking insane.

[shosta]

People on the left genuinely follow a principle of democratic centralism once the inter-party struggle has been resolved.

[TakingBackSunday]

thanks guys I hate this thread

[james]

Worth remembering that only a small fraction of people regularly discuss politics online, and a small fraction of that fraction actually take strong positions on intra-party feuds.

In that small online swamp of 2016 reenactors, however, both camps are fucking insane.

Relevant:

Fairleigh Dickinson University, Madison, New Jersey, June 17, 2019 – A third of all adults in the Garden State don’t know the name of the current governor. The most recent survey from the Fairleigh Dickinson University Poll finds that 67 percent say they know who the current governor is, with 33 percent who do not.

 And a handful (21 in total) said they knew who the governor is, and then offered the name of Murphy’s predecessor, Chris Christie.

https://www.insidernj.com/press-release/fairleigh-dickinson-university-poll-finds-1-3-adults-nj-cant-name-governor-murphy-approval-42/

[Kara]

Sure, she's Hillary without 2 decades of baggage lugging behind her.

Never seen Hillary take a position on wall street like Warren has, to start. Is this the best analogy when we look at their various platforms?

"Regulate the bad businesses" is going to alienate the other segments of capital that compromise the extant Democratic coalition (e.g. tech) too. Being less personally odious will certainly help, but it's not like tech is averse to helping ICE / CBP. #DoNoEvil

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1141098588329656320

 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Which chapter did trump pull that dude out of? jesus

[benjipwns]

everybody just calm down, relax and be patient while we wait for Cory Booker to sweep to the nomination, select Howard Schultz as his running mate and we can get back to the real debate: should Trump get another term or should Trump get another term followed by Ivanka as Empress for Life

also paul pierce sucks

[benjipwns]

Ivanka will be beautiful forever thanks to her five makeup tricks:

Here are five more things we learned about Ivanka from her #MakeUpArtist:

1) Ivanka's favorite looks: "The makeup she wore for her wedding is very special, but I think that most recently it’s the one she wore to the National Republican Convention."

2) Her nightime no-no: "She never wears makeup to bed."

3) Her natural beauty trick: "She likes to drink hot water with lemon."

4) Her favorite makeup trends: "Luminizers or highlighters."

5) Her international beauty routine: "Before applying her makeup and after washing her face, I tone and hydrate her skin. I use a collagen mask that Wendi Murdoch, a friend of Ivanka and one of my clients, brought back from China. Sometimes I use some products my friend Chris brings back from Korea."

[shosta]

Can I get an explainer from a leftist on why the banks are bad? This is one of those things that I never really understood from 2016 except as 2008's lingering trauma as a ready-made political target. I think we should probably have a national bank for lending seen as undesirable in the private industry and I also think the profits in the big four are unconsciousionable but... I don't want to break up da banks because large capital holdings are good and we have Dodd-Frank anyway. Also, fees are an attack on the middle class. Hopefully that explains where I'm at in that.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Louis CK explains it best

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/vzscvw/comedy-central-presents-banking

[benjipwns]

"Because that's where the money is." - Willie Sutton, Marxist ideologist

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Why did I rob banks? Because I enjoyed it. I loved it. I was more alive when I was inside a bank, robbing it, than at any other time in my life. I enjoyed everything about it so much that one or two weeks later I'd be out looking for the next job. But to me the money was the chips, that's all.

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[kingv]

James, hopefully you've had those beliefs since conception, otherwise you're politically impure and not worthy of the crown.

Youll find my views have been consistent in my 20 years of online posting, including in news groups.

I demand your entire Usenet history. And that of your parents. And any AOL chat room logs.

[kingv]

I will let anybody know if he has any history of requesting part 39 of 40 of Bukkak_stewardess.avi

[agrajag]

Shotsa you would find this video interesting

[shosta]

I demand your entire Usenet history. And that of your parents. And any AOL chat room logs.

this reminds me of something you'd be interested in, the infamous andrew s. tanenbaum v. linus torvalds flamewar on usenet. thank god this is archived

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.minix/wlhw16QWltI%5B1-25%5D

[shosta]

Some cool guy, wrote a book called Imperialism The Highest Stage of Capitalism that touches on the bolded. I think it was Michael Moore in 2009, or somethint

tfw you don't do your assigned reading for that week