US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[james]

James, hopefully you've had those beliefs since conception, otherwise you're politically impure and not worthy of the crown.

Youll find my views have been consistent in my 20 years of online posting, including in news groups.

I demand your entire Usenet history. And that of your parents. And any AOL chat room logs.

No aol, just yahoo and msn

And yes, i was a 14 year old girl

[shosta]

Sir, this is a McDonald's fight-for-fifteen strike.

[Kara]

Some cool guy, wrote a book called Imperialism The Highest Stage of Capitalism that touches on the bolded. I think it was Michael Moore in 2009, or somethint

tfw you don't do your assigned reading for that week

I was trying to remember this very post today. Get out of my head, Charles.

[Tripon]

He voted for Biden's Crime Bill? What else?

Sponsored a bill to have nuclear waste from Vermont shipped to a poor latino community in Texas. Fairly long history of being a "left" immigration hawk (ie "open borders" is a Koch brothers plan). When protesters picketed a GE plant making Gatling guns for the US and its rightwing allies in Central America, sided with GE and had them arrested. Supported Bill Clinton's 1993 austerity budget as well as incrementalist neoliberal policies like private insurance portability. As mayor of Burlington, an aide said they "out-Republicaned the Republicans." Voted to make it harder for felons to sue prisons. Voted for god knows how many bloated military budgets, as well as the AUMF. Said Andrew Gillum and Stacey Abrams lost because white people don't want to vote for a black candidate but that's not racism.


You can make most of those sound better by providing context and he's still on the left edge of elected US senators and credible presidential candidates (I'm the pragmatist squish of the board so of course I feel that way). But might still be worth examining why you're not aware of these things.

Even if they were frequently stymied, Sanders and his few official and unofficial aides were able to take administrative actions to make city government more efficient and fair. Unlike Paquette, the new city administration insisted on competitive bidding on city contracts and tried to combine city departmental purchases. A new health insurance plan saved as much as $35,000 a year. On other insurance, as much as $200,000 a year or 40 percent was saved by opening up bids. Gasoline costs were cut 5 to 10 percent.

Instead of leaving the city’s money in low-or zero-interest accounts, a new cash management system was instituted and management of pension funds reviewed, with an estimated gain of $70,000 a year. A new centralized telephone system should save $100,000 a year. Higher fees for building permits and private police and fire alarms will bring in $150,000 a year. Higher interest rates for mortgages from the cemetery fund yield another $15,000 in the first year. And the new city treasurer discovered a previously unidentified surplus of $1.9 million.“People had expectations that if you’re a radical, you won’t last because you can’t run the city,” says City Constable David Clavelle, a former aide to Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy and one of Sanders’ first appointments. “We concentrated on nuts and bolts. We had to prove to people that people of our persuasion could run the city government and run it better. As one local politician said, we out-Republicaned the Republicans.”

“But we didn’t want to sound like Republicans, and just to be sound fiscal administrators,” Leopold continues. “We wanted to show to what extent government can be exciting and important to people’s lives. That’s why we moved to youth, arts, programs for the elderly and neighborhood planning assemblies. You can do little things to make life more interesting.” Operation Snow Shovel was a volunteer effort to help dig out the elderly and Battery Park was transformed form a troubled teen hangout to a popular cultural scene.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/18806/this-1983-profile-of-bernie-sanders-shows-how-his-success-in-burlington-mir

Should I asked why you included that quote? And what's with the dodge about looking for context?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Because why not?

Bernie Sanders delivers a live response to Donald Trump's 2020 campaign kickoff in Florida immediately following the president's speech.

funny enough, i didn't even know trump was doing a thing tonight. thanks alot bernie for platforming trump

[Mandark]

tri, why ask about that item in particular?

why not sierra blanca?

[Tripon]

tri, why ask about that item in particular?

why not sierra blanca?

Because that was the one with a quote associated with it. The actual quote is the aide quoting another politician. It's quote-ception.

[agrajag]

He voted for Biden's Crime Bill? What else?

Sponsored a bill to have nuclear waste from Vermont shipped to a poor latino community in Texas. Fairly long history of being a "left" immigration hawk (ie "open borders" is a Koch brothers plan). When protesters picketed a GE plant making Gatling guns for the US and its rightwing allies in Central America, sided with GE and had them arrested. Supported Bill Clinton's 1993 austerity budget as well as incrementalist neoliberal policies like private insurance portability. As mayor of Burlington, an aide said they "out-Republicaned the Republicans." Voted to make it harder for felons to sue prisons. Voted for god knows how many bloated military budgets, as well as the AUMF. Said Andrew Gillum and Stacey Abrams lost because white people don't want to vote for a black candidate but that's not racism.


You can make most of those sound better by providing context and he's still on the left edge of elected US senators and credible presidential candidates (I'm the pragmatist squish of the board so of course I feel that way). But might still be worth examining why you're not aware of these things.

Even if they were frequently stymied, Sanders and his few official and unofficial aides were able to take administrative actions to make city government more efficient and fair. Unlike Paquette, the new city administration insisted on competitive bidding on city contracts and tried to combine city departmental purchases. A new health insurance plan saved as much as $35,000 a year. On other insurance, as much as $200,000 a year or 40 percent was saved by opening up bids. Gasoline costs were cut 5 to 10 percent.

Instead of leaving the city’s money in low-or zero-interest accounts, a new cash management system was instituted and management of pension funds reviewed, with an estimated gain of $70,000 a year. A new centralized telephone system should save $100,000 a year. Higher fees for building permits and private police and fire alarms will bring in $150,000 a year. Higher interest rates for mortgages from the cemetery fund yield another $15,000 in the first year. And the new city treasurer discovered a previously unidentified surplus of $1.9 million.“People had expectations that if you’re a radical, you won’t last because you can’t run the city,” says City Constable David Clavelle, a former aide to Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy and one of Sanders’ first appointments. “We concentrated on nuts and bolts. We had to prove to people that people of our persuasion could run the city government and run it better. As one local politician said, we out-Republicaned the Republicans.”

“But we didn’t want to sound like Republicans, and just to be sound fiscal administrators,” Leopold continues. “We wanted to show to what extent government can be exciting and important to people’s lives. That’s why we moved to youth, arts, programs for the elderly and neighborhood planning assemblies. You can do little things to make life more interesting.” Operation Snow Shovel was a volunteer effort to help dig out the elderly and Battery Park was transformed form a troubled teen hangout to a popular cultural scene.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/18806/this-1983-profile-of-bernie-sanders-shows-how-his-success-in-burlington-mir

Should I asked why you included that quote? And what's with the dodge about looking for context?

[Mandark]

Tri, may I suggest that you... google Murray Bookchin.

[shosta]

This is the fight I never knew I wanted.

[Kara]

Holy cow, Mandark linking Libcom in one of his flawless ripostes.

[curly]

Ignoring the Sanders angle, the more I hear from anarchists the better Bolshevism looks.

[Madrun Badrun]

Ignoring the Kara angle, the more I hear from left wing bore the better r/neoliberal looks. 

[agrajag]

become neoliberal to own the bore, brehs

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/santiagomayer_/status/1141170938089656320

[Madrun Badrun]

Not my fault they have better memes

[agrajag]

post some great neolib memes then

[Madrun Badrun]

I didn't say good, I said better. 

[Kara]

benji post The Bernanke

[agrajag]

I'm gonna start posting cursed boomer images.

[shosta]

that is a totally anachronistic analysis

[shosta]

I'm gonna start posting cursed boomer images.

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tasty 

[shosta]

I'm gonna start posting cursed boomer images.

this image is amazing

[Madrun Badrun]

Did you just Indian name me?  I thought we as a culture were past that. 

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Not the first time someone has done that.  I recently had drinks with a friend and his friend and his friend was shocked when i turned up white.

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[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/WeWuzBoomers/status/1140292576873975809

[Mandark]

Can I get an explainer from a leftist on why the banks are bad?

Wanted to quote this on the new page cause asking leftists why they don't like banks is wild.

Even I get why and I don't know shit about leftism or banking.

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/WeWuzBoomers/status/1140087008011980800

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I'm gonna start posting cursed boomer images.
(Image removed from quote.)

Is this a combo flat earth / holocaust denier piece of artwork?

[Madrun Badrun]

I know you just said you'd start posting cursed boomer memes but haven't you always been?

[shosta]

Wanted to quote this on the new page cause asking leftists why they don't like banks is wild.

Even I get why and I don't know shit about leftism or banking.

look, I know the bore is a fifth column pinko shithole but I was talking about Sanders supporters and ftr I still haven't gotten an answer

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Wanted to quote this on the new page cause asking leftists why they don't like banks is wild.

Even I get why and I don't know shit about leftism or banking.

look, I know the bore is a fifth column pinko shithole but I was talking about Sanders supporters and ftr I still haven't gotten an answer

I linked you to CK!

You mentioned all the other shit about power consolidation, having a guaranteed non profit centralized bank alternative, and recursive fees.

Like...what else do you want hear

[agrajag]

I know you just said you'd start posting cursed boomer memes but haven't you always been?

[shosta]

I linked you to CK!

You mentioned all the other shit about power consolidation, having a guaranteed non profit centralized bank alternative, and recursive fees.

Like...what else do you want hear

Ok, I'll take you off of ignore.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

[agrajag]

Wanted to quote this on the new page cause asking leftists why they don't like banks is wild.

Even I get why and I don't know shit about leftism or banking.

look, I know the bore is a fifth column pinko shithole but I was talking about Sanders supporters and ftr I still haven't gotten an answer

I linked you to CK!

You mentioned all the other shit about power consolidation, having a guaranteed non profit centralized bank alternative, and recursive fees.

Like...what else do you want hear

he's just a glib piece of shit

[Cauliflower Of Love]

So a perfect POTUS

[kingv]

I'm gonna start posting cursed boomer images.

(Image removed from quote.)

this image is amazing

Karl Marx looks like a mix between the Maestro and Samuel L Jackson.

If bish was still on a forum this would be his avatar.

[Kara]

  Wrath, Buttigieg is أبو الدجاج.

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Would she be willing to meet me in Gaza?

[agrajag]

Andrex here's your chance!

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Why would you insult any beer when you're trying to wrangler the midwest?

They're all closet shitty beer drinkers.


wait, does she think calling a beer "the club soda of beers" is a compliment.

is this yall queen?

[Rufus]

PS3 bullshit cgi e3 2005 trailers as a metaphor for social democracy

Hacky approximated lighting VS bouncy ray-traced glory

Mediocre solutions for a mediocre species.

[agrajag]

Why would you insult any beer when you're trying to wrangler the midwest?

They're all closet shitty beer drinkers.


wait, does she think calling a beer "the club soda of beers" is a compliment.

is this yall queen?

I will not endorse a candidate that doesn't openly do meth, you cowards.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

that's uh... quite an interpretation/analogy of what i wrote.

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[jakefromstatefarm]

Browsing r/neoliberal is pretty interesting.

they ran a poll a while back that featured a series of “how important is this issue to you” questions, and when the results came in the stuff people listed as most important were healthcare and judicial reform, and environmental and foreign policy. basically, all the shit that the purported neoliberal camp has fucked up catastrophically over the past ~50 years.

and for economic fault tolerance reasons because of how often our advanced economic system shits itself.

funnily enough, this is the exact reason that gets cited when people on the other side argue for (relative) centralization: that it’s much easier to affect monetary policy that way

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[Kara]

I'm like 60% convinced r/neoliberal and the associated Twitter account are a joke, but that's largely informed by floating in New Labour Twitter where people are wildly contradictory, i.e. human. (For example, being really passionate about anti-Semitism but then randomly favoriting transphobic content. Though tbf transphobia will be the UK's only export after Brexit.)

[agrajag]

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Sam Seder had this guy on for a debate

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[shosta]

I missed this last week because I was catastrophizing about Iran but
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d014bc4e4b0304a120909d6?klw

Nola destroyed poor Howard Schultz' political career before it even began. What a vicious, nasty person.

[Trent Dole]

I'm like 60% convinced r/neoliberal and the associated Twitter account are a joke, but that's largely informed by floating in New Labour Twitter where people are wildly contradictory, i.e. human. (For example, being really passionate about anti-Semitism but then randomly favoriting transphobic content. Though tbf transphobia will be the UK's only export after Brexit.)

Yeah there's a seemingly endless supply of British TERFs shitting up Twitter.

[Dickie Dee]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1141151760087769093

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1141151760087769093

marrec looking old

[Cauliflower Of Love]

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https://twitter.com/ayyy_west/status/1141041844710760448

[headwalk]

notice the footage cuts before the collapse and CPR.