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[benjipwns]

So when that alt-right uses japanese cartoons as an endorsement of it's behavior, it's just more bad faith Jordan Peterson style readings of fiction.

[benjipwns]

Also, on the subject itself-- I feel this is a long time coming. In the Goblin Slayer threads even on here, lots of the defense of it reeked of the same crap you'd see during Gamergate.

That being said. The alt-right trying to take it over is very disheartening. As well as people hating on it without giving certain shows a chance to actually get going and get their story across.

You can see it every now and then on era with all the avatar hate and people just jumping into the threads to shit on the medium

I NEED AN ADULT OFFICIAL STAFF COMMUNICATION

[Boredfrom]

which of you made this because she attacked your precious anti-women video games:



xD xD xD

So Morrigan is a huge poser, why I’m not surprised?

[Boredfrom]

Also, on the subject itself-- I feel this is a long time coming. In the Goblin Slayer threads even on here, lots of the defense of it reeked of the same crap you'd see during Gamergate.

That being said. The alt-right trying to take it over is very disheartening. As well as people hating on it without giving certain shows a chance to actually get going and get their story across.

You can see it every now and then on era with all the avatar hate and people just jumping into the threads to shit on the medium

I NEED AN ADULT OFFICIAL STAFF COMMUNICATION

I felt more people talking seriously the otaku is alt right are trolls or self hating anime fans like Morrigan and Jansen

[benjipwns]

Why is everyone assuming men are competing against women.

Ya'll know what hormones and testosterone blockers are, right?

magic?

[benjipwns]

The three times world champion US Women’s National soccer Team have said many times that they can only spar with up to U-15 Men’s teams or else they get run over by a professional men’s team. That’s their words, not mine. And that’s soccer, not the most contact-y sport of them all I can’t inagine how in weightlifting this difference can get. Isn’t the world records consistently higher in kilograms lifted in the men’s than the women’s side? Same thing in track and field.

I’m all for trans rights (H. Bomberguy is the shit) but this is a very complex topic where the answer may not be simple at all.

"I like that wildly popular cis person who did a nice thing for trans ppl so clearly i too am a champion of trans rights, except for this particular trans right, which is bad. "

Is this the new "I voted for Obama"?

lol, the human "right" to participate in professional sports organizations under your own terms not theirs?

[Jansen]

Also, on the subject itself-- I feel this is a long time coming. In the Goblin Slayer threads even on here, lots of the defense of it reeked of the same crap you'd see during Gamergate.

That being said. The alt-right trying to take it over is very disheartening. As well as people hating on it without giving certain shows a chance to actually get going and get their story across.

You can see it every now and then on era with all the avatar hate and people just jumping into the threads to shit on the medium

I NEED AN ADULT OFFICIAL STAFF COMMUNICATION

I felt more people talking seriously the otaku is alt right are trolls or self hating anime fans like Morrigan and Jansen

Forever the butthurt weeb aren't you

It's okay you might grow out of it like I did

[benjipwns]

After reading the mod post it seems like transgender women should be able to participate in women centred events so this ruling by USA Powerlifting is pretty wrong.

Yeah, haven't they read the mod post?

[Mr Gilhaney]

You might grow out of anime, but the degenerate roots are permanently in you

[benjipwns]

User banned (1 week): transphobia, ignoring the modpost
So what is the hard science? Does a trans-woman that went through male puberty have any notable advantages in the sport that other women do not?

I keep seeing opinions posted, what are the facts?

annihilated

[benjipwns]

We do create lots of different categories already without too much controversy* - or rather, there are more binary options - age categories for Tennis, for example, or various agreed upon categories in the Paralympics that rely on "like" physical differences. With gender and sex, there's only currently two binary categories in the Olympics (itself a competition with no shortage of drama)


* That's a word used from a position of ignorance - but speaking relative to the amount of media coverage - and for groups who are already better protected by law at least in the US - I'm of course sure there's disagreements happening in that sphere too and that internationally it'll be extremely complex.

As to research - of course! Like, it should be happening now. But there are athletes right now who want to compete today, and athletes who want straight answers in order to train and compete.

I think you've misunderstood my post and at least the intent my question. If anything, I intended the opposite of how you framed my question - and I accept that it's likely my fault and phrasing. If you can look past any erroneous semantic phrasing from me - my underlying question is about what's happening generally in the trans world as it relates to this discussion. It's obviously much easier to understand the historical situation because it already happened, but this is an ongoing situation and struggle with global implications as well as local ones. And I think I'm asking a pretty basic question I just want to be hyper clear that I'm not concern trolling or being disingenuous. I also don't expect you or any other poster to officially speak for a giant spectrum of people, but you (and loads of other people in the thread) are obviously more knowledgable than I am on this.

To put it super plainly: Is there a broad agreement in the Trans community generally, on the correct solution to the specific issue generally? Is that position that a person's identified sex or gender are sufficient and that (barring weight classes, age and other specific divisioning of a sport above and beyond gender) the solution is to let that be qualifier? I don't know the answer. I do (I think) know the answer as it relates to how people should be identified legally and properly, in employment, law, marriage, military service, bathrooms etc. There - at least in my corporate world, the employee tells us that fact and that's the end of that - we don't accomodate that, it's just .

This one seems more complex in part because sport already does micro categorization based solely on physical differences - weight age height etc. Even to the point of left-handedness, let alone something as fundamental and basic as their sex, gender and identity. There are multiple sports where those height, weight, reach distinctions are meaningful and some where they're absurd and an artifact of cultural norms or economics and demographics. I literally don't know what the broad trans community (including trans athletes) thinks the correct approach to either forcing or fighting for those changes is, or what the momentum is (lobbying, legislating, publicizing, arguing) driving any such movement. And I have no reason to believe there necessarily IS a "majority" opinion. Which is why I'm asking.

And maybe I'm not understanding the situation properly - from reading the IOC regulations (and maybe they've changed) it seems Trans men (a person born female who has physically transtioned to or established that they are male) are allowed to compete but that no solution or framework is currently regulated or permitted for Trans women (folks born as a woman who have transitoned to identifying as a man, regardless of the nature, timing or specific of that transition).

And I'm being careful and likely clumsy about the semantics here, because I don't want to offend or confuse anyone, or look like I'm being sneaky on purpose -- and it's a complex issue even in terms of pronouns, so apologies if my parentheses are wrong-headed, backwards or insulting - that's not my intention - which means there's a solution in the IOC's view or acceptance of one specific type or category of trans person, but no current solution for others or even future planning for such.

[benjipwns]

I think it may depend on the sport, and gender may not be the right criteria for every sport. The person you were replying to did say "train with male testosterone levels for years". If you were training as a powerlifter for years before your transition, it surely would have gone differently and been on a different timeframe.

After a year on HRT, all that goes out the window.

see? magic!

[benjipwns]

I think the fairest way to go about solving this problem is to abolish gender-based divisions altogether and just have tiered divisions based on athleteles' actual performance... A Division, B Division, etc.

This is the only solution I can see.

we did it

[benjipwns]

Lmao I can't even carry groceries anymore after getting on HRT.

HRT will destroy any 'physical advantage' a transwoman would have pretty fast. There's been enough studies done on this for this to be complete and utter nonsense :v

jesus christ, sounds like a serious personal problem

I read all the linked research and PDFs, and it looks like they pretty ambivalent. Very little hard data

MODS HELP

I'm bit troubled by ban given to opening post, genuinely don't think excluding them from thread/forum going to help educate them to know better, they gave their view, it's clearly uneducated view, really don't think it had any malice behind it, but banning them so they can't read the findings posted or be allowed to follow on with the discussion doesn't help

they can read just fine

they just can't spout their nonsense anymore

1: They have the whole internet to read up on this.
2: Ain't my job to educate these fools.

discussion achieved

This is a very interesting subject.
Just to bounce on the scientific basis elements.
The articles from the mod post a page ago state that differences remain regarding muscle mass.
The abstract of the EJE (from the mod post) article nicely elaborates on that reflexion:

Have there been other piece of evidence regarding this matter?
I apologize if I it has been posted and if I have not seen it.
(I am just willing to know more about the subject, especially on the physiological side)

...there are lots of life experiences from people right on this thread ... for example :

Lmao I can't even carry groceries anymore after getting on HRT.

HRT will destroy any 'physical advantage' a transwoman would have pretty fast. There's been enough studies done on this for this to be complete and utter nonsense :v

[ashep]

Couldn't sporting bodies just avoid this shit by determining eligibility based on biological sex rather than gender?

Or is that a supremely ignorant take?

[Uncle]

Lmao I can't even carry groceries anymore after getting on HRT.

HRT will destroy any 'physical advantage' a transwoman would have pretty fast. There's been enough studies done on this for this to be complete and utter nonsense :v

jesus christ, sounds like a serious personal problem

Fuck I read this as "I can't even carry groceries without going on HRT"

Like walking into the house, whoops, there goes estrogen

[benjipwns]

Couldn't sporting bodies just avoid this shit by determining eligibility based on biological sex rather than gender?

Or is that a supremely ignorant take?

thanks for announcing you want to murder trans people bigot

"biological sex" is just what malicious doctors do to babies

[benjipwns]

ever since messofanego took his face out of his avatar i don't even notice his stupid posts until they get quoted

JUST A WARNING DENNIS

[benjipwns]

lol i can't carry simple items anymore i'm such a lady teehee xD xD xD

[benjipwns]

meanwhile at The Kremlin:
 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

"get em Tulsi"

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[Uncle]

lol i can't carry simple items anymore i'm such a lady teehee xD xD xD

Now this is an actually offensive stereotype 

[clothedmacuser]

Platy is the best:
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They should also not let Jews in chess or Scrabble tournaments.  They have an extra bone in their brains that makes them good at words and stuff.

[benjipwns]

Now this is an actually offensive stereotype 

come at me

[benjipwns]

of course...

Rachel McKinnon has to be a fucking Canadian too

i keep warning you all about them

[clothedmacuser]

I like this guy.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/04/harvards-evolved-response-to-a-trans-male-swimmer-is-a-joy-to-watch.html






He went to harvard, joined the swim team and his final year realized he wasn't a women and transitioned to a man.  The swim coaches were like, "hey, if you swim on the mens team you aren't gonna be a top contender anymore."  He said, fuck it, and now swims on the mans team and get last place.

“Schuyler had to do a lot of thinking about what mattered most—was it breaking records, or was it being happy?”

That takes balls.  And I'm not sure MTF's are doing it the right way as that guy did.

[samfish]

Now this is an actually offensive stereotype 

come at me
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Had anyone told the POCs that the LGBTs are trying to steal their history month? Don’t they know they’re erasing POCs?

[HaughtyFrank]

I like this guy.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/04/harvards-evolved-response-to-a-trans-male-swimmer-is-a-joy-to-watch.html


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He went to harvard, joined the swim team and his final year realized he wasn't a women and transitioned to a man.  The swim coaches were like, "hey, if you swim on the mens team you aren't gonna be a top contender anymore."  He said, fuck it, and now swims on the mans team and get last place.

“Schuyler had to do a lot of thinking about what mattered most—was it breaking records, or was it being happy?”

That takes balls.  And I'm not sure MTF's are doing it the right way as that guy did.

That FTM's aren't cracking records kind of proves that there is an inherent biological difference, doesn't it? If it's all about hormones they should have no trouble at all

[Snoopycat_]

At this point it's almost certain that Connor McGregor has thought about switching gender and moving to the wmma

[Uncle]

That FTM's aren't cracking records kind of proves that there is an inherent biological difference, doesn't it? If it's all about hormones they should have no trouble at all

Basically you just get 3 statistics

- what percentage of all cis athletes set a record
- what percentage of all ftm athletes set a record
- what percentage of all mtf athletes set a record

Just remember state-level doesn't count 

[agrajag]

zErO aDvAnTaGe 

[headwalk]

can't wait for the next halo to be an ultra woke walking simulator with eight million lines of dialogue.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

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zErO aDvAnTaGe 

The pussy on the left must be on point.

[clothedmacuser]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-anti-anime-left-is-garbage-and-heres-why-dont-let-the-alt-right-claim-anime-stuff-about-orientalism.97504/

AnimeGate is nigh-inevitable at this point, it seems likely to happen in the next year, and with conflicts over Goblin Slayer, Shield Hero, and Zombieland Saga scarcely banished from our collective memories,

[Transhuman]

can't wait for the next halo to be an ultra woke walking simulator with eight million lines of dialogue.

I feel like Halo has exhausted it's enemy pool.

[ashep]

You people think they're actually letting him near Halo these days?

I'm sure Ed Harris has given him a super duper secret project to work on in his shed while the sane employees of 343 actually make the game.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/mashable-people-dont-believe-ices-arrest-of-21-savage-in-atlanta-is-a-coincidence.97537

Ohboy.gif

[thisismyusername]

You people think they're actually letting him near Halo these days?

He's the head of 343. So even if he doesn't touch a lick of engine paint, he's the one in charge of EVERYTHING. He bailed on Bungie for this position.

[benjipwns]

lmao no he isn't, no one would make Frank O'Connor legitimately in charge of anything other than a magazine ever, let alone the studio that runs a billion dollar franchise

Bonnie Ross-Ziegler and Kiki Wolfkill are the heads of the studio, Rob Semsey is the "chief of staff", Frank is in a glorified writer position

[Rufus]

can't wait for the next halo to be an ultra woke walking simulator with eight million lines of dialogue.

You're otta touch, old man.

[benjipwns]

I even want to say he posted on ResetERA.com that he's been working from home more often, they've probably turned him into the head editor of the official Wiki or something

[benjipwns]

I always figured the anime avatar thing was part of the scam. Back in my day, which was admittedly before the internet was a thing, the anime fans were the progressive ones.

Put anime avatars on garbage posts to tarnish a subculture > people target anime fans > disgruntled anime fan is swept up in alt right propaganda > back to step 1 but with some gullible sap doing the hard work for you. Same thing that happened with Gamergate. Oldest play in the book.

I've been using this technique to associate cats with anarchism/libertarianism.

Though cats have been helping on their own quite a bit.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-anti-anime-left-is-garbage-and-heres-why-dont-let-the-alt-right-claim-anime-stuff-about-orientalism.97504/#post-17546250

Imagine defending Shield Hero with trash like this:


https://twitter.com/erasuterism/status/1085318522778071040

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-anti-anime-left-is-garbage-and-heres-why-dont-let-the-alt-right-claim-anime-stuff-about-orientalism.97504/#post-17546361

Yep, the LN is great and the anime is decent so far. Haters gonna hate.

​https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-anti-anime-left-is-garbage-and-heres-why-dont-let-the-alt-right-claim-anime-stuff-about-orientalism.97504/#post-17543639

That little mention about shieldbro hits me since I loved the novel so much. It’s just too good for everyone to argue over.



That being said. The alt-right trying to take it over is very disheartening. As well as people hating on it without giving certain shows a chance to actually get going and get their story across.



You can see it every now and then on era with all the avatar hate and people just jumping into the threads to shit on the medium

[Boredfrom]

Is your favorite anime, Jansen?

[Jansen]

Is your favorite anime, Jansen?

Y u always hanging from my nuts weeb?

 

[benjipwns]

that's like the second time this week i've seen someone on twitter imply that tvtropes is some kind of alt-right gator hive too because it lists negative instances of tropes as well

this is why we need a public-interest algorithm to rewrite the internet for us

[Boredfrom]

Is your favorite anime, Jansen?

Y u always hanging from my nuts weeb?

 

Not really, you tend to whine about anime than I ever mention about this in this forum. Just posting random twitter whining seems to sad.

[Jansen]

This thread is all about whining u dumb biatch

[Boredfrom]

But your whining is more petty than funny. Is not even limited to anime.

[Jansen]

[Boredfrom]

I didn’t say I felt bad about you. 

[Uncle]

I always figured the anime avatar thing was part of the scam. Back in my day, which was admittedly before the internet was a thing, the anime fans were the progressive ones.

Put anime avatars on garbage posts to tarnish a subculture > people target anime fans > disgruntled anime fan is swept up in alt right propaganda > back to step 1 but with some gullible sap doing the hard work for you. Same thing that happened with Gamergate. Oldest play in the book.

Oldest play in the book.

To this day researchers are discovering cave paintings of anime avatars in really shitty little caves, intended to make it look like the anime-loving neanderthals sucked shit at finding good shelter

Shakespeare?  Guess what, Midsummer Night's Dream, fucking Bottom's avatar is set to a donkey head to make it look like all furries are complete morons like him

[benjipwns]

Just posting random twitter whining seems to sad.

he's quoting a ResetERA.com member

to think i used to look up to you

[benjipwns]

User Banned (1 Week): Dismissing dialog surrounding racist stereotypes

This is making an outcry out of absolutely nothing

[benjipwns]

User Banned (Duration Pending): Transphobic meme and numerous accumulated infractions

did you just assume the president's genitalia

[benjipwns]

omg

User banned (1 week): tranmsphobia

This is just common sense to me. I’m all for people being who they want to be but in this sort of competition there’s a very clear unfair advantage. This is the right call.

and it hasn't been fixed

[agrajag]

Bill Maher Banned then Warned for promoting non-Yum! Brands fried chicken establishments

[agrajag]

I am tramsphobic, since childhood I have been deathly afraid of trams.

[benjipwns]

User Warned: Inflammatory generalizations

I don't know what kinda mouth breathing neckbeard can look at that footage and not want to play it.. I honestly feel bad for these people.

Crackdown 3 is receiving so much undeserved hate around here it's disgusting.

User Warned: Wishing injury on a sports player

Abso-fucking-lutely.

I will be praying for the end of Boston's dynasty, and the end of Brady's ability to walk.

[Boredfrom]

Just posting random twitter whining seems to sad.

he's quoting a ResetERA.com member

to think i used to look up to you

He posted the twitter whining first then the edit about the other Reee member because is more important to point out how much he loves hates shield Hero.

[Uncle]

Let's play guess which word is being referred to, and who is the poster

Uggghhhh. Americans (i'm assuming you are) really need to pull your collective heads out of your arses, when it comes to this word. Whenever somebody uses it, you act like they committed a fucking war crime.

Is it a harsh word ? Yes. But Christ, get your priorities in order.

Also. Some of us who use it aren't from the U.S. And it doesn't have the same taboo as it does there. So please stop trying to impose your cultural norms on the rest of us.

Sorry if i went a bit too harsh on you. It's just i'm so fucking sick of this. Every time it's used on this forum, regardless of who it's directed at. People complain.

Again, sorry. I truly am.