Author Topic: You know, Shinji, we really are the End of Evangelion. (Read 111305 times)

pancakesandsex · « **Reply #420 on:** July 23, 2019, 05:47:43 PM »

Quote from: kingv on July 23, 2019, 04:13:05 PM

Quote from: pancakesandsex on July 23, 2019, 03:03:13 PM
The FU to fans thing is an urban legend. The dub is not at all "literal", unless you're referring to the 1:1 use of show specific terminology, like "third children" which IS kept in tact for the first time. The actual phrasing and dialogue outside of show specific terminology is well localized. Accurate, but still localized.

I guess I just mean the dub is not as good as the new one then. There are a number of parts where it goes into anime robotic phrasing that’s sounds unnatural. Especially when they start talking about instrumentality stuff near the end, but also the way Asuka talks about her mom being in the Eva. It just falls a little flat because the phrasing is weird.

Just to make sure we're on the same page here, which dub did you watch? Netflix or Manga Ent? Netflix would be the "new" dub. I'm not up to EoE again yet (watched 21 today), but I did watch several key sequences including the "I don't want to die" sequence in EoE. I think the delivery is spot on in the netflix dub compared to the Japanese personally.

kingv · « **Reply #421 on:** July 23, 2019, 06:11:17 PM »

Oh, EoE was also redubbed? I didn’t realize that.

Huh, not sure I didn’t think it was as good then.

Kara · « **Reply #422 on:** July 23, 2019, 08:49:44 PM »

So many words about Eva. If we had people arguing about subs versus dubs (instead of comparing dubs to dubs) this thread would be straight out of 2000 forums discourse. The GOAT.

Chooky · « **Reply #423 on:** July 23, 2019, 08:51:49 PM »

am i misremembering, or was there a scene in the series where

spoiler (click to show/hide)

yui sees gendo being intimate with ritsuko's mom, and in response does whatever magic thing puts her inside an eva? or was that something my brain made up over the years?

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Chooky · « **Reply #424 on:** July 23, 2019, 08:52:23 PM »

Quote from: Kara on July 23, 2019, 08:49:44 PM

So many words about Eva. If we had people arguing about subs versus dubs (instead of comparing dubs to dubs) this thread would be straight out of 2000 forums discourse. The GOAT.

dub defenders are worse than maga choads. discuss.

kingv · « **Reply #425 on:** July 23, 2019, 08:58:32 PM »

Yeah, I didn’t think that was that obvious at all.

I think it fits, but maybe not the only explanation.

For sure I think that End of Evangelion is better executed, but I just think that the idea behind the original ending was better.

The congratulations and clapping at the very end should have been cut though, it was really dumb.

kingv · « **Reply #426 on:** July 23, 2019, 09:23:47 PM »

Quote from: shosta on July 23, 2019, 08:56:51 PM

Quote from: Chooky on July 23, 2019, 08:51:49 PM
am i misremembering, or was there a scene in the series where

spoiler (click to show/hide)
yui sees gendo being intimate with ritsuko's mom, and in response does whatever magic thing puts her inside an eva? or was that something my brain made up over the years?
[close]
Yui had already fallen victim to her contact experiment before Ritsuko's mom ends up in Eva-00 (that last bit is my interpretation, it's never stated but I felt like that's why Eva-00 kept trying to kill Rei).

I thought Ritsuko’s mom was in one of the magi?

I’m pretty sure Eva-00 is actually Rei #1’s soul. There’s an exchange in one of the first episodes where people think unit 00 is trying to kill rei but Ritsuko is like “I know it’s trying to kill me” and then when they show the Eva view of the situation Ritsuko has black hair like her mom indicating that she might think Ritsuko is her mom.

kingv · « **Reply #427 on:** July 23, 2019, 09:24:54 PM »

Quote from: shosta on July 23, 2019, 09:02:50 PM

I had a mega huge carepost about how good the tv ending was THAT NO ONE LIKED but the tl;dr is that while EoE is a cooler movie that does everything good, the final two episodes had the more impactful depiction of instrumentation, the psychological aspects of the main characters, etc. Watching EoE's instrumentation monologues after I had just seen the original finale left me wanting.

Share your care post.

pancakesandsex · « **Reply #428 on:** July 23, 2019, 09:46:16 PM »

Quote from: kingv on July 23, 2019, 09:23:47 PM

Quote from: shosta on July 23, 2019, 08:56:51 PM
Quote from: Chooky on July 23, 2019, 08:51:49 PM
am i misremembering, or was there a scene in the series where

spoiler (click to show/hide)
yui sees gendo being intimate with ritsuko's mom, and in response does whatever magic thing puts her inside an eva? or was that something my brain made up over the years?
[close]
Yui had already fallen victim to her contact experiment before Ritsuko's mom ends up in Eva-00 (that last bit is my interpretation, it's never stated but I felt like that's why Eva-00 kept trying to kill Rei).

I thought Ritsuko’s mom was in one of the magi?

I’m pretty sure Eva-00 is actually Rei #1’s soul. There’s an exchange in one of the first episodes where people think unit 00 is trying to kill rei but Ritsuko is like “I know it’s trying to kill me” and then when they show the Eva view of the situation Ritsuko has black hair like her mom indicating that she might think Ritsuko is her mom.

I believe it's Ritsuko's mom as well, and it works because Ritsuko is also having an fling with Gendo, which gives Eva-00 Mom the impetus to hate her daughter. She already hated Rei.

Ritsuko's mom is not "in" the magi, except in that she designed them in her image. They were completed before she killed herself. They are bio-computers though, which is why they got brains.

pancakesandsex · « **Reply #429 on:** July 23, 2019, 09:50:32 PM »

Quote from: Chooky on July 23, 2019, 08:51:49 PM

am i misremembering, or was there a scene in the series where

spoiler (click to show/hide)
yui sees gendo being intimate with ritsuko's mom, and in response does whatever magic thing puts her inside an eva? or was that something my brain made up over the years?
[close]

Its Ritsuko seeing her Mom be intimate with Gendo, not Yui. It's in ep 21. This also kinda relates to what I was saying above, since in a way Ritsuko repeats some of the mistakes of her mother.

Quote from: Kara on July 23, 2019, 08:49:44 PM

So many words about Eva. If we had people arguing about subs versus dubs (instead of comparing dubs to dubs) this thread would be straight out of 2000 forums discourse. The GOAT.

To be fair, the dub is the newest thing about this show in 20 years, and it's arguably done well this time, so it's actually watchable for the first time in English.

I still prefer the Japanese, I always will. But if you've seen the show many many times over, the new netflix dub is now a suitable way to watch the show, where as previously it was not.

Chooky · « **Reply #430 on:** July 23, 2019, 10:04:58 PM »

evageeks has a page on why unit 00 might have rei 1's soul, and it's pretty convincing:

https://wiki.evageeks.org/Eva-00%27s_soul

i don't think it would be ritsuko's mom, as she completely fucking hated rei so why in god's name would they ever try to pair her up with another rei?

kingv · « **Reply #431 on:** July 23, 2019, 10:13:31 PM »

https://wiki.evageeks.org/Eva-00%27s_soul

After reading this, I became convinced it was Rei I’s soul there’s a fair amount of supporting evidence over multiple episodes:
- it wanting to kill Roku two
- Shinji sees rei in Unit-00 when he syncs with it
- rei says something about “the other me, the one in the Eva” at some point.

Momo · « **Reply #432 on:** July 24, 2019, 01:51:49 AM »

Quote from: Chooky on July 23, 2019, 08:52:23 PM

Quote from: Kara on July 23, 2019, 08:49:44 PM
So many words about Eva. If we had people arguing about subs versus dubs (instead of comparing dubs to dubs) this thread would be straight out of 2000 forums discourse. The GOAT.

dub defenders are worse than maga choads. discuss.

I agree, but everyone should still watch the dubs

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #433 on:** July 24, 2019, 01:54:39 AM »

decades on and still the debate rages
how does The Master do it?

VomKriege · « **Reply #434 on:** July 24, 2019, 02:34:44 AM »

Quote from: kingv on July 23, 2019, 09:23:47 PM

I thought Ritsuko’s mom was in one of the magi?

She's all three of the supercomputers making up MAGI, each representing a different facet of her personality.

I thought it was a different technology entirely and that her soul wasn't imprinted, she just programmed MAGI as a approximate mirror of her personality but the EvaGeeks wiki says they used the same means to duplicate personalities despite MAGI having AFAIK no organic parts.

VomKriege · « **Reply #435 on:** July 24, 2019, 03:02:44 AM »

As for the Eva 00 I always thought it was a Rei clone (or a second generation copy of Yui) and that the dysfunctions were because inserting Rei into Rei was prone to generate some issues.

pancakesandsex · « **Reply #436 on:** July 24, 2019, 09:57:09 AM »

Quote from: kingv on July 23, 2019, 10:13:31 PM

https://wiki.evageeks.org/Eva-00%27s_soul

After reading this, I became convinced it was Rei I’s soul there’s a fair amount of supporting evidence over multiple episodes:
- it wanting to kill Roku two
- Shinji sees rei in Unit-00 when he syncs with it
- rei says something about “the other me, the one in the Eva” at some point.

That's interesting. Good read.

kingv · « **Reply #437 on:** July 24, 2019, 12:44:30 PM »

Netflix doesn’t have Evangelion rebuild? What kind of trash operation are they running out there?!

Nintex · « **Reply #438 on:** July 28, 2019, 06:37:50 PM »

Finished the TV series, that was some galaxy brain stuff

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #439 on:** July 29, 2019, 09:16:27 AM »

All of Evangelion is extremely galaxy brain, and Anno has been pretty open about the fact that a lot of it is in there just because he thought it looked/sounded cool.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #440 on:** July 29, 2019, 10:05:40 AM »

https://www.reddit.com/r/evangelion/comments/cj1hfe/how_does_this_make_you_feel/

This is not okay.

EightBitNate · « **Reply #441 on:** July 29, 2019, 03:40:05 PM »

kingv · « **Reply #442 on:** July 29, 2019, 04:16:07 PM »

Wouldn’t that make 2.5 men a ripoff of Evangelion?

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #443 on:** July 29, 2019, 05:03:19 PM »

Quote from: kingv on July 29, 2019, 04:16:07 PM

Wouldn’t that make 2.5 men a ripoff of Evangelion?

Neo Genesis Evanjelion only came out like a month ago.

Don Rumata · « **Reply #444 on:** July 29, 2019, 10:55:11 PM »

But on the other hand, 2&½;men RE:build - You are (NOT) the father, comes out next year.

Tasty · « **Reply #445 on:** July 29, 2019, 11:17:04 PM »

Momo · « **Reply #446 on:** July 30, 2019, 12:56:11 AM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 29, 2019, 11:17:04 PM

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toku · « **Reply #447 on:** July 31, 2019, 06:22:02 PM »

VomKriege · « **Reply #448 on:** July 31, 2019, 06:24:27 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 29, 2019, 05:03:19 PM

Quote from: kingv on July 29, 2019, 04:16:07 PM
Wouldn’t that make 2.5 men a ripoff of Evangelion?

Neo Genesis Evanjelion only came out like a month ago.

Neon Glenesis Evanglenion.

Kara · « **Reply #449 on:** July 31, 2019, 10:41:48 PM »

Kara · « **Reply #450 on:** July 31, 2019, 10:44:04 PM »

https://twitter.com/Klip123Jasser45/status/1155982940783837184

Tasty · « **Reply #451 on:** August 02, 2019, 02:41:19 PM »

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #452 on:** August 02, 2019, 04:28:23 PM »

kingv · « **Reply #453 on:** August 02, 2019, 07:42:02 PM »

Angel attacks and decisive battle are the true bangers from Evangelion.

Was interesting to me to see retroactively how much Bayonetta borrowed from this.

A lot of the imagery of how the religious stuff is represented, the design of the angels to some degree, and the music to some extent.

(And Bayonetta basically is shaped like an Eva unit).

Bayonetta is basically Evangelion + strippers.

TEEEPO · « **Reply #454 on:** August 10, 2019, 02:22:38 AM »

Tasty · « **Reply #455 on:** August 12, 2019, 07:36:29 PM »

Momo · « **Reply #456 on:** August 13, 2019, 01:12:35 AM »

toku · « **Reply #457 on:** August 13, 2019, 11:40:10 AM »

dope art

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #458 on:** August 13, 2019, 01:36:39 PM »

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1HNlKdlscv/?igshid=7xfrsk2pmsjh

Tasty · « **Reply #459 on:** August 16, 2019, 11:26:03 AM »

https://www.blender.org/user-stories/japanese-anime-studio-khara-moving-to-blender/

Evas will run on open source software

Tasty · « **Reply #460 on:** August 18, 2019, 03:53:47 AM »

https://www.reddit.com/r/evangelion/comments/9pcvrb/how_the_piano_scene_from_30_was_made/

Tasty · « **Reply #461 on:** August 23, 2019, 09:17:56 PM »

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Nintex · « **Reply #462 on:** August 25, 2019, 04:56:06 PM »

Watched The End of Evangelion.

I like how there is an alternative ending to this but

Momo · « **Reply #463 on:** August 26, 2019, 12:56:24 AM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 23, 2019, 09:17:56 PM

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OnlyRegret · « **Reply #464 on:** August 26, 2019, 02:06:16 AM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 23, 2019, 09:17:56 PM

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decapitation, I thought his head popped?

Rufus · « **Reply #465 on:** August 26, 2019, 05:12:01 AM »

Squeezed off his shoulders. You can see it splash into the LCL at the very end of the scene.

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #466 on:** August 26, 2019, 02:35:03 PM »

Oh, I had 3.33 on my mind

Tasty · « **Reply #467 on:** August 26, 2019, 02:40:59 PM »

3.33's choker technically only detonated on his neck, so I assumed it was a beheading. Not sure what ended up happening to his head after...

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #468 on:** August 30, 2019, 03:04:04 PM »

was it not a bomb? cause that isn't exactly a precise instrument
artistic license and all, but I recall the pilot divider glass getting drenched with blood