Playstation 5

[remy]

I'm not saying I'm even buying the game lol.. just doesn't sound as bad as the scores.   The entire EGM review sounds like he's making excuses for why he didn't actually bother doing his job.

Playing games for a living is hard man.

Man IDK know if I want one of these or not. New hardware is exciting and I actually do like demons souls, but my use caase for a ps5 is basically, playing ps4 games I liked that had shitty performance again and deso which again I've already played.

I also like the look of the series X better but there's nothing to play there either (maybe yakuza?)

[bork]

IIRC Godfall is also an online-only title.  So whenever they pull the plug on it, enjoy the PS5's first coaster/digital dud.

[Bebpo]

My PS5 shipped from amazon woooo

[Nuitangg]

I regret ordering from Walmart they can't even keep anyone updated. 

[Nuitangg]

Still nothing from FedEx.   

[Nuitangg]

Yeah, I'm not very confident lol. Did you still have the cancel order button on Walmarts site?  I'm still able to cancel which is weird.

[naff]

got it 

arrived at work and we're doing one of those "work on your pet project" days so i set it up and played some astro bot lol. disc version of demon's out of stock everywhere here so i guess i'm paying $140 for the online version 

that's 95usd 

this is why we australasians are generally pirates.

picked up the ultimate edition of miles morales after they price matched on a good local deal. might just stick with that and try pick up a cheap copy of demon's down the line heh. such ridic pricing

[brawndolicious]

The frame rate hitches repeatedly, including pretty much every time you pick up an item. That’s true even in combat, and I died at least once because the action had stuttered.
I encountered regular crashes back to the home screen.
Once, the game managed to completely crash my PlayStation 5 to the point the system powered off.

Gearsux 

There's something I don't quite get about the PS5 and that is the resolution choices.
I read that the PS5 doesn't do 1440p but also that it only does 4k on 120hz in certain games and otherwise defaults to 1080p / 120hz?
Like how does that work.

It's supposed to be patched later but basically the PS5 currently can output at 720P, 1080P, and 4K.

If you plug it into a 1440P monitor that can accept up to 1440P signal on its input, then the PS5 can output a 1080P signal that the monitor then has to upscale to 1440P.

If that monitor can accept a 4K signal on its input, then the PS5 can output a 4K signal that the monitor then has to downscale to 1440P.

So probably shouldn't use a 1440P monitor for now since monitors typically suck at scaling. Also there should be a patch later for VRR and for whatever reason, a game like DMC5 has some weirdness selecting output resolution if you don't have a 4K HDMI 2.1 display:

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-devil-may-cry-5-ps5-xbox-series-x-comparison

However, the fact that we can use Devil May Cry 5 as a 'benchmark' at all is mostly down to the fact that the developers have targeted 120Hz as the standard refresh rate output. This is great for seeing top-end performance metrics, but it's bad news for the experience - especially on PlayStation 5. This is because 120Hz output is locked to any screen that supports 120Hz, no matter the resolution. So consider a highly popular 4K screen - the LG OLED B8. PS5 sees that it is 120Hz-compatible, and overrides 4K resolution. All modes will run at a 120Hz refresh rate, at 1080p resolution - which is absolutely not ideal. Another popular screen is the Samsung NU8000. It's a 4K screen but on PS5, Devil May Cry will force through the 120Hz refresh rate instead, resulting in a downscale to 1440p that the user has no control over.

And this is where Xbox Series X has an advantage that's crucial. Users can simply dip into the video settings, select 60Hz and Devil May Cry 5 runs in a generally stable way - a locked 60 frames per second is very much preferable to the fully unlocked set-up on a 120Hz screen whether you're gaming on PS5 or Xbox Series X. We have shared our findings with Capcom a while back, and fingers crossed there'll be a solution to the issue, but the tl;dr version is simple enough on paper: allow PS5 users to select between 60Hz and 120Hz output resolution.

So basically, it's probably not recommended to play games that go above 60 fps, have inconsistent framerates, or to use a 1440P monitor. For now anyways.

[bork]

If you want to use game consoles on a 1440P monitor, get an mClassic.  The only caveat is that it doesn't support HDR.

[Rahxephon91]

Target shit the bed with in seconds and Sony Direct sold out. Too bad.

[mormapope]

Target shit the bed with in seconds and Sony Direct sold out. Too bad.

Check Walmart today, you might be able to pick one up locally too.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/walmart-ps5-release-times-heres-when-the-ps5-goes-on-sale-tomorrow/1100-6484109/?ftag=CAD-03-10abf8b

[Nintex]

The frame rate hitches repeatedly, including pretty much every time you pick up an item. That’s true even in combat, and I died at least once because the action had stuttered.
I encountered regular crashes back to the home screen.
Once, the game managed to completely crash my PlayStation 5 to the point the system powered off.

Gearsux 

There's something I don't quite get about the PS5 and that is the resolution choices.
I read that the PS5 doesn't do 1440p but also that it only does 4k on 120hz in certain games and otherwise defaults to 1080p / 120hz?
Like how does that work.

It's supposed to be patched later but basically the PS5 currently can output at 720P, 1080P, and 4K.

If you plug it into a 1440P monitor that can accept up to 1440P signal on its input, then the PS5 can output a 1080P signal that the monitor then has to upscale to 1440P.

If that monitor can accept a 4K signal on its input, then the PS5 can output a 4K signal that the monitor then has to downscale to 1440P.

So probably shouldn't use a 1440P monitor for now since monitors typically suck at scaling. Also there should be a patch later for VRR and for whatever reason, a game like DMC5 has some weirdness selecting output resolution if you don't have a 4K HDMI 2.1 display:

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-devil-may-cry-5-ps5-xbox-series-x-comparison

However, the fact that we can use Devil May Cry 5 as a 'benchmark' at all is mostly down to the fact that the developers have targeted 120Hz as the standard refresh rate output. This is great for seeing top-end performance metrics, but it's bad news for the experience - especially on PlayStation 5. This is because 120Hz output is locked to any screen that supports 120Hz, no matter the resolution. So consider a highly popular 4K screen - the LG OLED B8. PS5 sees that it is 120Hz-compatible, and overrides 4K resolution. All modes will run at a 120Hz refresh rate, at 1080p resolution - which is absolutely not ideal. Another popular screen is the Samsung NU8000. It's a 4K screen but on PS5, Devil May Cry will force through the 120Hz refresh rate instead, resulting in a downscale to 1440p that the user has no control over.

And this is where Xbox Series X has an advantage that's crucial. Users can simply dip into the video settings, select 60Hz and Devil May Cry 5 runs in a generally stable way - a locked 60 frames per second is very much preferable to the fully unlocked set-up on a 120Hz screen whether you're gaming on PS5 or Xbox Series X. We have shared our findings with Capcom a while back, and fingers crossed there'll be a solution to the issue, but the tl;dr version is simple enough on paper: allow PS5 users to select between 60Hz and 120Hz output resolution.

So basically, it's probably not recommended to play games that go above 60 fps, have inconsistent framerates, or to use a 1440P monitor. For now anyways.

My C8 only does 4k / 60hz and not 4k / 120hz as far as I know. Weird that they're not supporting VRR

[Rahxephon91]

Yeah Walmart is probably going to be hell if Target and now Best Buy are anything to go by. This system is'nt going to available for 6 months at this rate.

[Mupepe]

My Amazon order says estimated Nov 13-16 but still hasn’t shipped. Hopefully today.

[Nuitangg]

Delayed according to chat.  I was hoping for a fedex email this morning.   

[BIONIC]

Can’t wait for rootass to bitch about how hard Demon’s Souls is 

[Nuitangg]

My cancel button has been replaced with a reorder button.  I guess things are looking up.  Walmart is a fucking joke. 

[Rahxephon91]

Ok I'm out till 2021. These online orders have been awful.

[Bebpo]

Got my system from Amazon. Hope it doesn't blow up.

[MMaRsu]

Deso isnt all that hard anyway

[Bebpo]

It was hard for me as my first souls. I remember just using homing missile and kiting everything for an entire game  :'(

Still loved it.


Now that I know how to play souls, I am going melee for the remake.

[Bebpo]

Oh god this system is enormous. Bigger than I ever imagined. Feels like a mini-desktop. Yeah, this is fucked in Japan until the slim version.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/NYSE/status/1326992987859996673

 

[Bebpo]

First thoughts:

-Disc installing takes goddamn forever. Might be faster to buy games digitally than wait 30-60 mins for a game to install off disc.

-Are there no folders again? Why do they keep releasing systems without folders and then adding folders in later. WTF.

-Regions are handled...differently. I can log into my USA and JPN accounts and switch between them and their libraries no problem
thankfully (was scared this wouldn't work), but my JPN games that I haven't downloaded/installed yet are showing as "view product" and not "download/owned" on my USA user. Worst case scenario games may only be playable on their own region user. Which sucks when you want a single user for friend list/trophies, but w/e. I have some JPN games queued so I will see what happens when they finish installing and if I can play them on my USA user account. NM, THIS IS SAFE, SAME AS PS4

-UI seems nice and smooth. I like how the PS4 game library is integrated. Haven't tried moving saves over because didn't want to tie up the system for potentially hours moving all my PS4 shit. Will move saves one game at a time for things I want to test out.

-Pretty quiet so far. Disc drive when installing Miles was the loudest part but after it installed it's been quiet.

-Oh and I hate how the disc drive is hidden at the bottom. Pretty hard to get down there and put a disc in/out. I wish I could put the system upside down with the disc drive on top. Vertical takes care of this but I'm not putting consoles vertical to crash down and break. I am clumsy.

[Bebpo]

Oh and you can't disc install and download something at the same time arghhhhh, whyyyyyy

[brawndolicious]

My C8 only does 4k / 60hz and not 4k / 120hz as far as I know. Weird that they're not supporting VRR

Weird, it can do 1080p @ 120 Hz apparently:

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c8-oled

I would think since the HDMI port has the bandwidth for 4k/60, it should be able to do 1440/120 but iono. I just have a cheap LG UM8070 and that's how it works.

Oh and you can't disc install and download something at the same time arghhhhh, whyyyyyy

Apparently you can take an external drive that you have connected to a PS4 and just connect it to PS5. Probably by far the fastest way to transfer stuff as servers will be clogged today.

[Bebpo]

OK, YOU CAN PLAY GAMES FROM OTHER ACCOUNTS & REGIONS ON ANY ACCOUNT

phew

[Let's Cyber]

We in bois

 

Waiting for DeS to finish downloading

[G The Resurrected]

OK, YOU CAN PLAY GAMES FROM OTHER ACCOUNTS & REGIONS ON ANY ACCOUNT

phew

I was worried about that, as a multi console household we rely heavily on that to share the library across the house.

[Bebpo]

Ok, this is bullshit. My PS+ stopped uploading saves 3 months ago because even though I haven't hit anywhere near the storage limit (still have 90gb free) I have hit the limit of the number of saves and PS+ cloud save storage is full.

So time to delete it all and just upload the saves for games I'm carrying over. Annoyingg.

[Bebpo]

Looks like the limit is 1000 save files total. Says 10 mins to delete them all. *edit* down to 2 mins.

[Rahxephon91]

Not even a minute for Amazon.

Today has been daggers through my PS fanboy heart.

[Nintex]

Not even a minute for Amazon.

Today has been daggers through my PS fanboy heart.

Shopping for tech products is ridiculous now with all the bots and scripts being used.
Scalpers selling this stuff for twice the regular price.

[Nuitangg]

That sounds like what happened to me in Sept.  Walmart finally decided to ship my order earlier. 

[Bebpo]

Anyone know how to change between BC modes when playing a PS4 game?

Just tested Hajimari no Kiseki (PS4) and it runs fine, but not sure if it's using boost mode.

[Rahxephon91]

I’d almost buy from a scalper but $1000+ is a lot for one system.

[Bebpo]

Anyone know how to change between BC modes when playing a PS4 game?

Just tested Hajimari no Kiseki (PS4) and it runs fine, but not sure if it's using boost mode.

Looks like boost mode is automatic. But what happens if boosting breaks compatibility? Weird.

[Bebpo]

Kinda a shame load times generally aren't improved in BC games like framerate can be. I tested Samurai Shodown and the load times are still terrible and too long for me /sigh

Hope next generation of fighting games have really short load times at least.

[Bebpo]

Still haven't played a PS5 game yet lol, been working while messing around with this. Almost dooone with work and will try some Demon Souls/Miles.

[Rahxephon91]

Buying Spider-Man on the PS4 means having no upgrade path right? So I can’t even just play that now?

[Nuitangg]

Keep forgetting about the PS+ collection. Most of that shit I never got around to playing.

[Rahxephon91]

Guess I’ll just get the shitty PS4 version of Miles.

[bork]

https://twitter.com/ElevenOHNOES/status/1326796883768061954

[Bebpo]

Played through the first level of Demon Souls. Game looks insane on the textures and environment art direction jeez. I do wish you could move the camera closer. Hard to see much ahead of you when going into rooms though maybe that's on purpose.

Also while 1-1 was fun, I forgot how faaaaaaar the bonfires are apart in Demon Souls vs Dark Souls/Bloodborne. I don't remember if there's only bonfires when you kill bosses and everything else is just shortcuts? Probably? Feels more intense than Dark Souls/Bloodborne because of that.

Fighting Phalanx with a flaming sword was pretty dope looking. I didn't think I'd remember Demon Souls that much since I only played through it once on the Japanese release. But a lot of it came back, like remembering which way to go and where a strong enemy is and how to fight a boss. Pretty cool.

Also the game has a great photo mode. Not sure how you get photos off the PS5 without twitter though. I guess Souls has a pause button now? Since photo mode pauses the game...

[Bebpo]

Ok, found the media gallery app. Was hidden because no fucking folders argggh

[Rahxephon91]

Wow that looks amazing.

Too bad when I finally get to play it only the try hards will be left.

[naff]

rahx, roit is spreading fud. you can claim a miles upgrade for free if you have a disc or digital version (obvs need the disc ps5 for that later) and you can upgrade ur reg version to ultimate later for $20

[naff]

I rlly need to stop responding in threads with info that is so readily available w a cursory Google 

[Bebpo]

Fuck, was trying out Dreams which runs really, really nice on this. Was playing the Media Molecule campaign Art's Dream and got a trophy notification at the end of a bit and it hardcrashed the whole system

[Bebpo]

Uh, fuck this is really bad. By crashing in a BC game (dreams), it corrupted the save and deleted it and I lost all progress. Luckily I'd just put it on the cloud when I transferred it over.

...but if crashes happen during BC games and they wipe your save by corrupting it....that is super fucking dangerously bad.

[Bebpo]

Well I re-installed the save and did that bit again to see if the crash was repeatable but it worked fine.

I think the OS is just kind of buggy atm. I had background downloads going, took a screenshot, a trophy popped up, etc... various OS stuff going on at once when it crashed. Other crashes I'm reading about seem to happen when things are background downloading. I think something is having trouble multi-tasking in the OS.

Luckily these crashes I'm reading about don't seem like HW failure crashes, just annoying rebuild database crashes though if they corrupt the save file like this that is badddd.

Hopefully Sony gets some stability updates out pretty quick in the next few weeks and months.

[Bebpo]

Astrobot - GoTY?



This game is amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing. This team is so good. The game looks insane and is fun as hell and hilarious with all the movie/game references everywhere. Charming af. Probably be the best launch game.

[Raist]

I don't remember if there's only bonfires when you kill bosses and everything else is just shortcuts? Probably?

Yes, you only get archstones by killing bosses.

[archnemesis]

Demon's Souls is the equivalent of $100 on the PS Store. I'll buy a lot fewer games this generation. Hopefully physical discs will still drop in price after a few months.

I'll still buy Demon's Souls immediately once I get my system, like a sucker.

[Bebpo]

Miles is cool, the 60fps actually looks weird to me, like the game feels like it's running too fast? I wonder if the physics or animation or something isn't meant for 60fps. Ended up going with the 30fps which just feels like Spider-Man PS4 but looks a little nicer and has some good reflections. I feel like you notice that most on foot running around.

I'm curious to check out the PS4 version in videos. The opening is pretty crazy and cuts between the city and a really nice looking big mall stage instantly. Insomniac are tech wizards.

Outside some nice lighting in fights and cutscenes and chases and some reflections...Miles basically looks like Spider-Man PS4, but at least they re-did enough of the city with the winter theme that it's pretty nice and doesn't just feel like a DLC.

That new Peter model...sheesh. Is there anyone out there that actually likes the new face? I think it's going to take some getting used to or will bring down some of the human moments in Spider-Man 2. I hate that he looks like a generic jocky model now.

[HardcoreRetro]

If only Goodbye Volcano High was a launch title.

[Bebpo]

Sackboy seems...ok. Reminds me a lot of the last couple of Yoshi games. Slower paced exploration platformer with crafty art. Cutscene models look nice, music is great and load times are only a couple of seconds. Seems a lot less interesting of a platformer than Sumo Digital's LBP3 tho. Maybe it picks up.

I tried checking out LBP3 in BC after, thankfully it really reduces the load times which was my biggest gripe on the PS4. Sitting and waiting like 30-60 seconds to transition between the world hub and mini-levels was too tedious. Seems to be about 1/2 or 1/3rd of that. A lot of PS4 games don't have improved load times in BC, but a decent amount do. My brother plays Tony Hawk 1 & 2 on PS4 and says in BC it cut the load times about 50%.

After that tried out Earth Defense Force 5 because it's the perfect game for BC with unlocked framerate that is pretty shit. Runs really smooth on PS5, 60fps w/dips when it's too chaotic but dips seem pretty minor. Just gotta wait for EDF6 to bring PS5 to its knees.

Done for the night, all in all really good first impressions. Demon Souls/Astrobot/Miles are fucking great and pretty much the best launch lineup in a long time. Really impressed with the dual sense, short load times, smooth UI and crazy good visuals. Otoh, don't trust the PS5 entirely yet because firmware is a bit buggy and worried about crashes. That'll get patched up over time though.


Tomorrow will check out Bugsnax and for BC wanna check out Monster Hunter Iceborne at 60fps locked & Ghost of Tsushima at 60fps, maybe Day's Gone too at 60fps.

[MMaRsu]

Have fun everyone im a bit jealous but I ordered a 3070 so thats my next gen :p

[Let's Cyber]

Demon's Souls is out of this fucking world.

I can see people preferring the old aesthetics and atmosphere but the overall presentation of the remake is undeniably impressive. The crazy level of detail and lighting with a smooth 60 FPS on top is just too good.   

[Rahxephon91]

Well all the local targets had 30+ people in line.  I hate this system.