Playstation 5

[Coax]

Between travel, an adapter, more room to fit the damn thing this isn't looking good for fighting games. If Xbox has Street Fighter VI while I can't predict anything, it's going to look a looooot more appealing than dragging a PS5 around.

The new Xbox models remind me of small form factor PC cases (with the S model smaller than would be feasible to build for the specs as a PC). Something like the FormD T1 is pretty compact though and can fit 2 or 3 slot GPUs inside but pricey. Seen many such cases paired with portable Asus monitors that are displayed and powered via a single USB-C cable.

FormD T1 for scale

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[Himu]

Hm. Okay so the ps5 has three USB-A's but two are on the back. But the system is so fucking big how much cord would you even have left on an arcade stick?

[Himu]

Between travel, an adapter, more room to fit the damn thing this isn't looking good for fighting games. If Xbox has Street Fighter VI while I can't predict anything, it's going to look a looooot more appealing than dragging a PS5 around.

The new Xbox models remind me of small form factor PC cases (with the S model smaller than would be feasible to build for the specs as a PC). Something like the FormD T1 is pretty compact though and can fit 2 or 3 slot GPUs inside but pricey. Seen many such cases paired with portable Asus monitors that are displayed and powered via a single USB-C cable.

FormD T1 for scale

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Problem with series s is that it's underpowered.

[remy]

I can't predict what will happen, but after some thinking I'm really not feeling good about PS5 and the genre I'm active the most in: fighting games. Fighting game community events, in the before times, are for the most part weekly. You travel to your local event and bring a set up. A lag free monitor, the game, a stick/controller, and a system. You can fit the system in a back pack. It's nice, easy, and relatively pain free unless you're playing a retro game and have to bring a crt. But for the most part, there's little pain in bringing an FGC set up. PS5 complicates this. Not only are set ups limited due to space, PS5 doesn't even have two USB slots and I don't know a single arcade stick on the market that supports USB-C. While you can bring an adapter, how much extra lag will it create? Now you have to bring an adapter and fit room for a big ass system that's probably bigger than the monitor itself on limited space.

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See how compact the PS4 is? At a fighting game tournament, you're going to have to have at least two PS5's on a single table. No bueno.

Between travel, an adapter, more room to fit the damn thing this isn't looking good for fighting games.

The only reason PS4 was the system of choice for the fgc last gen was because SFV (the main fgc game) was exclusive to it on consoles.

If Xbox has Street Fighter VI while I can't predict anything, it's going to look a looooot more appealing than dragging a PS5 around.

I'm imagining bringing a PS5 to a local event in New York City, on the goddamn subway. No bueno.

I feel like FGC nerds would rather lose a pinky than go xbox though, at this point.

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Is this legit or a joke?

Have you ever been to an FGC event? 360 ran shit. A lot of people say "fuck consoles, their performance is shit" and just play on PC at home, but when it comes to events we still play on ps4.

Fair enough. I only lived in a city during ps4 generation so have only been going to locals since then and everything has been PS4.

i do agree the xboxes have way better form factors for locals. even better if they're quiet.

[Bebpo]

Hm. Okay so the ps5 has three USB-A's but two are on the back. But the system is so fucking big how much cord would you even have left on an arcade stick?

 

I mean you lose like...1/2 foot at most going from back instead of front on a cord.

It'll be fine.

Just be excited about this new generation of fighting games without load times. Fighting games will have one of the biggest improvements this gen out of any genre. Fuck load times in fighters. Some are still too long.

[Himu]

For fighting games, Xbox S is the better deal. As long as games are 1080p and 60 fps who cares.

Ps5 looks bad for the genre in terms of convenience and travel.

Looks like a good system outside of that though.

[Himu]

Just thinking of the process of hooking up controllers on the ps5. This but ass behemoth. In a tournament, where people are regularly plugging in and plugging out, convenience is king. Putting controller ports in the back is horrific for a system so big. You could turn it 180 and have the ports face forward but at that point you might as well look for better solutions. Think of the times you had to go to the back of a system on an entertainment center. You probably had to move it somewhat to get a clear view of the ports to see where you're sticking cables. Imagine that for controllers and during an event already pressed for time.

At a tournament this thing would be a liability.

FGC needs to go with xbox this gen. This all hinges on SFVI.

[Svejk]

More Demon's Souls gameplay!



  

[El Babua]

PS5 better be quiet AF since 90 percent of its mass is a big ass fan attached to a gigantic heatsink.

[HardcoreRetro]

Did they get rid of the old soundtrack? I love the old one.

[Himu]

Demon's looks incredible

[MMaRsu]

New ost sucks

[El Babua]

The director said that they're full orchestral arrangements of the originals.

But I don't like it. The whole thing about the original Demon's Souls' music was that it was dark, foreboding, and somewhat off-kilter - with a more choral instrumentation than orchestral. The remake's tracks just sound too bright.

Really like everything else they had to say though. Maybe aside from the missing archstone still being missing.

https://www.polygon.com/interviews/2020/10/29/21539158/demons-souls-ps5-remake-changes-sixth-archstone-world-tendency

[Bebpo]

Souls games have music?


I swear my memory of these games are just ambient background noise and footsteps and clang of armor/weapons. I guess boss fights have music, but otherwise can't really remember any tunes.

[Svejk]

DualSense came in!  Feels damn good.  Definitely has more weight to it, but feels ultra solid and tight.  Slightly smaller than expected, but feels perfectly contoured to my hands.  face buttons are surprisingly more inset than expected, but feel just as responsive.  The d-pad is vastly improved (imo) and feels more reminiscent to PS1-2 era DS controller d-pds.  Can't wait to try this thing out!

[Bebpo]

d-pad is better?

I honestly really like the DS4 d-pad. It's why I use it as my main controller for anything 2d or fighters. I prefer it to the Nintendo cross d-pad. Not sure how much better you can make it, but if it's better, it's better.

[Svejk]

d-pad is better?

I honestly really like the DS4 d-pad. It's why I use it as my main controller for anything 2d or fighters. I prefer it to the Nintendo cross d-pad. Not sure how much better you can make it, but if it's better, it's better.

Well, funny you mention the DS4 d-pad... I'm not a big fan of it.  It felt like a step down from prior DS controllers imo, so not sure if others would agree.  The DS4 d-pad feels slightly too big for me, and I have somewhat oafish hands too.  Plus, I want to say the edges of the PS4 d-pad seem ever so slightly sharper too.

Edit: After doing some side by side, I think it mostly has to do with how the shape of the controller houses around the d-pad is what makes it feel much better to me.   I'm going to try it on my PC with some Fight N' Rage or something this weekend.

[Nuitangg]

 

[Svejk]

 

I almost felt dirty for the way they started off with that box... like unboxing porn or something.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Probably hooks up there electronics like so....

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[Raist]

https://imgur.com/ojMm3pa

[bork]

So screw Bork's nitpicking, I'm gonna keep my statement that PS5 launch is looking like Top5 console launches.

Astrobot's playground impressions coming off well, Demon Souls, Sackboy, Miles all looking great. Bugsnax free day 1 in addition to Astrobot, a whole bunch of PS4 games getting patched for free PS5 ultimate editions at launch or in the first month. PS+ Collection of 20+ free games if you don't have some of them (I have basically all of them outside Fallout 4 [who wants without mods?] and COD Blops 3). If you don't have a super up to date PC gaming rig, along with Xbox Series X, best versions of major 3rd party games like Watchdogs/AC Unity, Cyberpunk a month later.

What was I "nitpicking" about?   

Oh yeah- the showcase game is a 2009 title.  Astrobot is supposed to be a couple of hours- explains why it's free.  You're gonna delete it for more space quickly enough.  Bugsnax? Sackboy?  LOL.  Come on, Bepbo.  Do those scream "top five" to you? 

And then everything else you mentioned are PS4 games (and PC, XBone, and Xbox Series games) and when it comes to BC, XBox Series X has them beat. 

Who says the PS5 has the best versions of those third party games?

And if you want the best version of Cyberpunk, why would you buy the PS4 version?

You're hyped up, and that's OK.  Revisit this once you've had the system for a bit.

[bork]

Cindi, I think you're way too worried about the PS5's size.  It's not large enough to be that big of a problem.  The FGC will find a way as always.

[naff]

it's a dammmmmmn good looking and seminal 2009 title though

[headwalk]

ushering in a brave new generation with a remake, an expansion pack and some shite scraped from the wii u launch cutting room floor.

[bork]

[naff]

ushering in a brave new generation with a remake, an expansion pack and some shite scraped from the wii u launch cutting room floor.

well, it sold this sucker on a launch console. something I havent cared to do since I was a wee lad.

[Rahxephon91]

ushering in a brave new generation with a remake, an expansion pack and some shite scraped from the wii u launch cutting room floor.

I don't know why calling DS a remake is supposed to be a dig. The game looks to be a pretty big overall and is also possibly the most impressive looking game graphically.  Like this dosen't look like some some simple "remaster" and looks even beyond what they did with the Shadow Remake. It's also a game that's uniquely stuck on the PS3 and one many have missed. It will also probably be a meaty game that will live beyond simply being a launch title.

So yes, I see no problem ushering in next gen with a impressive looking remake of one of the best games of recent times. A remake like this is a new game.

It's better then what Xbox is offering which is nothing.


Oh, it's play these old games you already have.

[bork]

A remake like this is a new game.

Does it have new content or play differently?

[Rahxephon91]

Does it need too?

Was Twin Snakes not a new game when it came out?

Is that new Panzer Dragoon on the Switch not a new game?

I have the Rob Zombie Halloween on my halloween playlist for tomorrow, was that not a new movie when it came out?

Is VII Remake not a new game?

Are RE2/3,1 Remakes not new games?

Anything that is more then a remaster aka taking the original and just cleaning it up is a new thing to me. Something being a Remake is not of lesser value to me.

[headwalk]

A remake like this is a new game.

Does it have new content or play differently?

no, but it has a brand new seventy quid price tag.

[Rahxephon91]

Remake worthwhile or not, its better then whatever MS is offering.

[bork]

I'm legit asking if it has new content or game play. 

[bork]

Was Twin Snakes not a new game when it came out?

Is that new Panzer Dragoon on the Switch not a new game?

Is VII Remake not a new game?

Are RE2/3,1 Remakes not new games?

Anything that is more then a remaster aka taking the original and just cleaning it up is a new thing to me. Something being a Remake is not of lesser value to me.

Everything you just mentioned had either new game play elements and/or content.  I was under the impression that Demon's Souls is literally the same game with improved graphics.  All I can find is Blue Point teasing new stuff, but not saying what it is.

[Rahxephon91]

PD is pretty much the same game, hell it plays worse and looks worse aesthetically.

Twin Snakes was pretty much MGS1 just put into MGS2's engine. Yes I guess there were new useless gameplay elements, but the map, story, enemies, and even most of the script were the same.

RE3 plays differently, but most fans would say its a much less ambitious game then the original.

But the reason I stressed that it's more then a remaster, because while you can just say "improved graphics" I feel like that's selling it pretty short. It's the best looking PS5 game and we are talking about graphics, animation, geometry, texture work, and effects well beyond the PS3 original. This is'nt improved graphics like FFXII The Zodiac Age or numerous "Definitive Editions". This is beyond "we cleaned up stuff and it's running at higher resolution". It's a complete recreation. Now it seems to be a very faithful and true recreation. Which I'm not always a fan of in remakes, but I think in this case would upset people if it wasn't. Recreating is an approach you can take with remakes and that seems to be what Blupoint likes to do.

It playing the same or having the same content with completely remade and new visuals seems enought to me be worthwhile. If its not for you, well thats you I guess.

[Svejk]

For someone like me who never played the original, it's ALL new content. 

[naff]

I'm legit asking if it has new content or game play. 

afaik they've kept everything as close to the original as possible except they changed the camera to be more modern and they reckon they didn't expand upon the broken archstone/cut Northern limits map because it's "not their right" to reimagine that which is p disappointing. anyway, who cares, ywah it's pretty much predominantly a graphical overhaul w a lot of qol improvements.

[mormapope]

I'm legit asking if it has new content or game play. 

Camera options are in
4K/30fps is called Cinematic
Performance mode is "dynamic" 4K at 60fps
Old Monk fight remains unchanged
Loading times are insane, virtually no load times
Multiplayer is 6 people now
They did discuss doing the sixth Archstone - decided against it as they didn't feel it was their right
Fractured Mode is Mirror Mode
Photo Mode is in. Disabled if you're invaded
Boletaria was the most challenging to rebuild as well as Valley of Defilement
Magic is still broken and exploitable (easy platinum!)

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/demons-souls-ps5-fractured-mode-respec-world-tendency-details/1100-6483887/

Sounds like technical and visual improvements across the board obviously. Gameplay wise, seems to be unchanged.

[naff]

they haven't even rebalanced how op magic is and avoided a question on whether the scraping spear had been nerfed. personally, sounds sick, but man scrubs are gonna get griefed so bad

 

[naff]

in terms of basic design does seem a lil lame not to fix some of the glaring balance issues with the original. the metagame is gonna be broke from day 1

[bork]

PD is pretty much the same game, hell it plays worse and looks worse aesthetically.

They patched the game and it's now 60 FPS with added control options.

Twin Snakes was pretty much MGS1 just put into MGS2's engine. Yes I guess there were new useless gameplay elements, but the map, story, enemies, and even most of the script were the same.

This was a remake through and through- completely redone from the ground up with new gameplay and even some of the cut scenes were different.

RE3 plays differently, but most fans would say its a much less ambitious game then the original.

The above applies to the RE2 and RE3 remakes.

But the reason I stressed that it's more then a remaster, because while you can just say "improved graphics" I feel like that's selling it pretty short. It's the best looking PS5 game and we are talking about graphics, animation, geometry, texture work, and effects well beyond the PS3 original. This is'nt improved graphics like FFXII The Zodiac Age or numerous "Definitive Editions". This is beyond "we cleaned up stuff and it's running at higher resolution". It's a complete recreation. Now it seems to be a very faithful and true recreation. Which I'm not always a fan of in remakes, but I think in this case would upset people if it wasn't. Recreating is an approach you can take with remakes and that seems to be what Blupoint likes to do.

It playing the same or having the same content with completely remade and new visuals seems enought to me be worthwhile. If its not for you, well thats you I guess.

https://www.polygon.com/interviews/2020/10/29/21539158/demons-souls-ps5-remake-changes-sixth-archstone-world-tendency

Getting the answers I was looking for. (EDIT- Thanks also, Morma!)  Interesting that if you want to play this at 4K 60 FPS, it's dynamic resolution.  Native 4K is 30 FPS.  No new worlds.

[mormapope]

in terms of basic design does seem a lil lame not to fix some of the glaring balance issues with the original. the metagame is gonna be broke from day 1

Has there been a Souls game to date that didn't have glaring balance issues with PvP? I've only beaten Dark Souls 1&2, and I hated PvP in both of those.

My greatclub wielding melee only build? Fucking useless against someone that has homing magic spells, along with super buffs, debuffs, and the best PvP weapons in stacks.

The solution becomes playing in offline mode and never invading anybody.

[Rahxephon91]

A remake can be a 1:1 translation, make slight changes, or something thats more of an adaptation.

This is a remake that is a 1:1 translation. That dosen't make it less of a remake. You guys are acting like it is a simple as they took the PS3 game and just upped the visuals(a remaster). It's clearly more then that even if they opted to keep the gameplay the same.

And also in Souls case, I don't think the fans would want the gameplay changed.

[bork]

For someone like me who never played the original, it's ALL new content. 

I'm with you on that!  It's the same for me with a number of those Wii and Wii U Switch ports. 

[naff]

in terms of basic design does seem a lil lame not to fix some of the glaring balance issues with the original. the metagame is gonna be broke from day 1

Has there been a Souls game to date that didn't have glaring balance issues with PvP? I've only beaten Dark Souls 1&2, and I hated PvP in both of those.

My greatclub wielding melee only build? Fucking useless against someone that has homing magic spells, along with super buffs, debuffs, and the best PvP weapons in stacks.

The solution becomes playing in offline mode and never invading anybody.

in ds3 every playstyle had a fairly playable set of builds, but u def had to use buffs and only a few weps were viable. u can't just expect to do OK not playing meta if you're playing pvp

[Bebpo]

Bork, I get it. This particular lineup of PS5 games doesn't cater to your tastes. Everyone likes different stuff and the PS5 lineup isn't the most varied like some past consoles got.

If they were launching with an exclusive fighting game, musou game and some kinda of    game I'm sure you'd be more interested in the PS5, and that's fine. There's no rush to get new systems, just get them when they have the kind of games you want on them.

[paprikastaude]

equating Nintendo port dumps with a full remake

[Pissy F Benny]

Why put effort into a full remake when you can dump a emulated rom on the market and sell the same amount of copies as the full remake would have

[Raist]

I'm legit asking if it has new content or game play. 

Pretty much none, other than the expanded multiplayer, now up to 3v3 from 1v1, so they basically made it more like Dark Souls.

The way BP do their remasters is that they port a barebone version of the engine and add shiny modern stuff on top. So basically they have 2 engines running, or something. That's why the gameplay looks eerily similar to the OG - same for SotC.

They didn't add the 6th archstone, because they felt it wasn't their right to do so. Which is fair enough in a way I guess.

[MMaRsu]

I'm legit asking if it has new content or game play. 

It does not

Its got a ruined ost tho

[bork]

Bork, I get it. This particular lineup of PS5 games doesn't cater to your tastes. Everyone likes different stuff and the PS5 lineup isn't the most varied like some past consoles got.

If they were launching with an exclusive fighting game, musou game and some kinda of    game I'm sure you'd be more interested in the PS5, and that's fine. There's no rush to get new systems, just get them when they have the kind of games you want on them.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious...?  You didn't actually respond to my post, but that's OK.  I think "wait and see how you feel post-launch" is the best way to look at things anyway.

[Let's Cyber]

Gameplay wise, seems to be unchanged.

I think that's fine. I'm good with different camera options, omni-directional rolling and small QoL changes. I would have been ok with more substantial changes too but I think those asking for a more wide sweeping overhaul really just want a sequel.

I still remember the crazies after bluepoint released their version of SotC, which was an excellent update to the original imo, complaining about how the lack of blown out bloom and non-whimsical birds ruined the aesthetic of the PS2 game. For every person wanting major changes, there is some dumb "life-long fan", muh nostalgia asshole that wants a perfect recreation with zero gameplay or art changes. Just as an example, some DeS fans hated the new Flamelurker design and bluepoint went back and changed it. I don't envy the devs forced to walk the tightrope of updating these titles for modern audiences without pissing of the hyper conservative, rose-colored glasses wearing super fans.

[BIONIC]

They are adding some items to Demon Souls.. and locking some of them behind the $90 edition lol

I'm excited for it because I never played the original.. so it might as well be a brand new AAA next-gen open world title to me.

Open world 

[Beezy]

There's no other reason to get the $500 PS5 if you don't care about collecting physical media, right?

[HardcoreRetro]

Don't seem like it. Should be the same machine just without a disc drive.

[paprikastaude]

They are adding some items to Demon Souls.. and locking some of them behind the $90 edition lol

I'm excited for it because I never played the original.. so it might as well be a brand new AAA next-gen open world title to me.

Open world 

I know it's not an Ubisoft mission/collectathon but doesn't it have like a hub world and different areas you can explore in any order?

It has numbered levels like Mario.

[bork]

There's no other reason to get the $500 PS5 if you don't care about collecting physical media, right?

You'll have more options for getting games cheaper as physical releases tend to go on sale much quicker or get dumped for lower prices compared to PSN.  The console resale value will likely be lower, too, if you care about that. 

But I'd still just go with the digital one if you're fine with buying everything from PSN.

[Bebpo]

There's no other reason to get the $500 PS5 if you don't care about collecting physical media, right?

Ya.

Disc PS5 is way uglier and more expensive.

But if you have a big library of PS4 discs and you might sell your PS4 or it breaks down the line, disc PS5 is good for that.

Also disc PS5 plays blu-ray movies. It also functions as a DVD player too from googling around. I don't have any physical media movie players besides PS4 hooked up so that is a plus for me if I'm gonna unplug the PS4.


My brother buys all games digital and is getting disc PS5 just because he only has room for one machine hooked up at a time and needs a blu-ray player.

[Beezy]

Agreed that the disc PS5 is much uglier. I have like 4 PS4 games on disc and everything else is digital. I'm ready to be done with physical media on everything except Nintendo consoles since they can't be trusted.

[Rahxephon91]

I hope the 4K Blu Ray player is decent on the 5. I believe it dosent support Dolby Vision at this moment which sucks, but my One X’s disc drive has always been weirdly shit. New 4K Discs often skip. While I have started to embrace physical more and more, the realization of moving hasn’t set it and I still like having movies and at least PlayStation games on physical forum.

[Bebpo]

Oh yeah I forgot it's a 4k blu-ray player. I still don't have a 4k tv, but will be nice for that at some point.