Other Forums Containment Thread

[Lonewulfeus]

Sphagnum is coming home boys!  He’s absolutely gonna get banned when the mods get to dealing with that thread

[remy]

Sphagnum is coming home boys!  He’s absolutely gonna get banned when the mods get to dealing with that thread

If you do cleanup for cerium after this you're a bigger cuck than astro 

[Propagandhim]

Benji always misses the good shit

[Averon]

Sphagnum is coming home boys!  He’s absolutely gonna get banned when the mods get to dealing with that thread

If you do cleanup for cerium after this you're a bigger cuck than astro 

Seriously, any mod that stays on staff after this is a pussy-whipped biatch!!!!!

[Pissy F Benny]

lol

[Boredfrom]

Sphagnum is coming home boys!  He’s absolutely gonna get banned when the mods get to dealing with that thread

If you do cleanup for cerium after this you're a bigger cuck than astro 

Don’t be fucking surprised if the mod team doesn’t revolt. Old Gaf Mods didn’t revolt when Amirox ended being a pedophlie...

[ShutUp]

The financial risk of unpaid labour

Of course cerium is a grifter, I've been saying this since the site was founded lmao

Yes, the financial risk of putting his own money towards the creation of the site and hoping it doesn’t go tits up. Did YOU put any more towards the site or just sign up for free and have the ability to post away for free for all time? Oh you did, ok.

Stupid fucks really thought the site was paid for with hopes and dreams. Stay mad that Cerium cashed out before someone on there finally snaps and shoots up a store or something, which seems inevitable with how unhinged many on there are.

[Pissy F Benny]

nah they won't, ultimately they do it cos they like lording it over the plebs

[Lonewulfeus]

Sphagnum is coming home boys!  He’s absolutely gonna get banned when the mods get to dealing with that thread

If you do cleanup for cerium after this you're a bigger cuck than astro 

Resetera mods cucks? 

[Boredfrom]

. I’m surprised with all that has happened over the last year-ish or so that there are people who still think this site is progressive lol. Most progressive communities have been pushed out and Ect has aggressively anti-left posters that have shifted the conversations and opinions here close to moderate at best and punch left basically at every reasonable opportunity

Not sure how I feel about the sale, but I mostly come here for game news and chat due to the above, so I doubt a lot will cha 

 

Is Lord Fanny a troll or is just a cognitive slip.

[remy]

Oooh the word filter on cuckold is gone 

#bringbackgiantdad

[Pissy F Benny]

there were little hints this was coming recently, ie cerium resurfacing after a few years to deal with some drama (forgot which already lol) and b dubs saying they won't be banning discussion of games the crazies wanted banned

[Boredfrom]

Aside from the protracted war between liberals and leftists that really flared up during the primary, there's been a constant string of issues relating to sexism and racism that has driven a lot of members away. One of the current biggest issues is Sinophobia.

 

You don’t believe that shit, you fucking communist Star Wars lover asshole. Samoyed being a chicom and getting banned is not Sinophobia.

[Propagandhim]

Devolving into anarchy

  

[ShutUp]

Don’t many of these same people consider 100k or so a year to be poor? But now complain about a founder of the site cashing out for what he got to be a filthy capitalist?

 

[Kurt Russell]

Yes, the financial risk of putting his own money towards the creation of the site and hoping it doesn’t go tits up.

You could have absolutely got that site off of the ground for $100 seed. That's probably 50% of the monthly vinyl figures budget for one of those weebs.

[ShutUp]

I'm sure when ResetEra first opened, and we moved from the other forum, the site wasn't going to be about profit or ads. I mean it's rad that they get that amount of cash, but yeah.

You poor, naive child.

[Boredfrom]

Era is a liberal site, not a leftist one.

By that metric, there's no such thing as a mainstream leftist gaming space anywhere.

There isn't.

NO SHIT. Is like the hobby is directly tied to giant corporations or something.

[Lonewulfeus]

I can’t wait to catch up on this thread when I wake up tomorrow 

[Potato]

“ M.O.B.A. Network sees significant opportunities to increase advertising revenue through a higher share of direct sales, implementation of new ad formats, and a long-term product development strategy. M.O.B.A. Network, therefore, estimates that ResetEra.com can grow sales significantly in 2022 while maintaining an EBITDA margin.”


Aaaaaaaah hahahahahaha! Good luck with that.

New Resetera thread/Kotaku article: "Multinational corporation runs multi-million dollar business using unpaid labour."

[ShutUp]

This is why I think the new owners should just come in and remove all the mods and put their own mods. If their serious about wanting this place to grow then getting those community's back here would be great.

Imagine the shit show this would cause. No more mods putting up with incelchief or Kyuujis bullshit 

[Boredfrom]

  If a company with the resources to run multiple sites now owns this place, then all of the staff - including the mods - should be getting paid for their work.

If they consider doing that, they may as well kick everyone out and get new staff, because I imagine they are not going to bother to negotiate contracts with Slayven or Nephente.

[Kurt Russell]

If they consider doing that, they may as well kick everyone out and get new staff, because I imagine they are not going to bother to negotiate contracts with Slayven or Nephente.

They'd be asking for reparations, not contracts 

[Propagandhim]

Slayven's gonna need an interpreter and some colored pencils for his negotiation meeting

[Averon]

  If a company with the resources to run multiple sites now owns this place, then all of the staff - including the mods - should be getting paid for their work.

If they consider doing that, they may as well kick everyone out and get new staff, because I imagine they are not going to bother to negotiate contracts with Slayven or Nephente.

Imagine Slayven going up to them to negotiate a salary and they ask why he should get paid. "Uhh...My encyclopedic knowledge on comic books?"

How about Nepnep. "I keep those damn yts in check, I can serve as an ambassador for the furry community, and I serve as an excellent lesson in poor finanical management!"

[Boredfrom]

A lot of social media platforms like Twitter and Tumblr have spaces tha are more progressive/leftist than Era, and places on Discord and Reddit as well. Admittedly I don't know of a more leftist website dedicated solely to gaming, except for maybe the spin-offs, though.

And those places are hellholes that complain about other hellholes of the other spectrum. They are more like gates communities than open forums.

.  Additionally, while this site does lean fairly heavily liberal instead of leftist, I can't really think of a way to build a community that is outright leftist without making it explicitly politically themed, and I don't outright hate liberals as individuals since often they seem well-meaning if nothing else. I also have a theory that because forums skew older millennial, they're naturally going to be more liberal than spaces that cater to a younger audience. People who are old enough to have not grown up in a post-9/11 world and have at least some kind of a chance at property ownership seem less radicalized than the opposite.

BUT EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL YOU BITCH

[Boredfrom]

If there’s a whole slew of anti-left posters dominating these forums I’m not seeing them. Many of the trending threads I see here are talking about racism, sexism, how women and minorities aren’t respresented in games, TERF/homophobic celebrities, the list goes on.

that's probably just the usual whining from the diehard leftists who won't stop calling people who are firmly to the left of 75% of the population horrible centrist corporate bootlickers and won't be happy until the forum is composed entirely of people who read socialist theory. People on this forum have a really fucking hard time dealing with people with even slightly diverging opinions on certain topics, far beyond just being intolerant of actual bigots and right wingers. Then we have folks believing they are justified in acting like total insufferable assholes to others as long as they hold the "correct" ideological position, then when they get banned for acting like an asshole, whine that they are being oppressed on the basis of their ideology.

YES LET THE HATE FLOW

[Potato]

Whoever runs this Moba company is an idiot. The value of Resetera only exists with slave labour and now that the curtain has been torn down, nobody is likely to keep giving their blood, sweat and tears for free.

Let's say they pay a modest $40k per mod (which is pretty cheap) X 10 mods. That's at least $400k in wages. Given the are currently 45 listed staff members, 10 mods is a very conservative estimate.

Turnover is currently $700k. Shit doesn't work out.

[Boredfrom]

I feel that last bit "does not want to budge..." is true of pretty much any group that already thinks its doing the right thing.

If there's any difficulty I've noticed here, it's that intersectionality is harder than people think, especially with gaming.

Cyberpunk discussion would be different, early vaccine discussion would have been different, hell, even sales discussions in general would be different. Because every one of those things run into a different issue for different groups.

Transphobia, racism, wealth/classism. And so much more. People tend to feel pushed away when ERA doesn't properly deal with the issue their community faces.

If I'm cynical, this is probably why other leftist places aren't mainstream online. Everyone has their own perspective of what leftism is shaped by their own particular worldview/comforts.

...That and there's a TON of education needed for people to get on the same page that leftists tend to take for granted.

So close... yet so far...

[ShutUp]

On the contrary, mods of this site are regularly targeted for harassment and doxxing. On this site itself, they face the constant pressure and criticism of trying to keep the peace and maintain various communities. I don't think they do things right all the time, but they aren't "getting a pass" from anybody, and the work is extensive and constant.

When the work is unpaid, mods develop an unhealthy relationship with their role. It becomes much harder to see what is too much pressure, what is unfair treatment, what is worth the time or the resources.

In a normal paid job, you weigh your expectations and your performance against your wages. Not only are we paid for our time, but we can compare and decide if one job is better or worse than another job.

When the compensation is something nebulous like "making a difference in the community", you are being gaslit into thinking it's worth more than it really is. You're also attaching emotional bonds to a job that someone is basically exploiting you for.

Pay the damn mods. And if you're a mod, I sincerely suggest you not accept this role as unpaid.

How is willingly volunteering being exploited? What communities are they maintaining and keeping the peace for? The ones they have driven away? The ones we now know they openly shit talk on Discords?

[Boredfrom]

Sphagnum is coming home boys!  He’s absolutely gonna get banned when the mods get to dealing with that thread

If you do cleanup for cerium after this you're a bigger cuck than astro 

Speaking of cucks and Astro:

. 
This bringing sprung out of the blue like this, the staff not getting any compensation, the tech staff being left to negotiate instead of something in place...

The fact these new owners are listing all the corporate/capitalist ways they want to improve revenue...

As a web developer it was always obvious this site would be generating a large amount of money, and the fact staff weren't paid was always a shit thing to me, but this... selling the site to a corporate interest... no announcement about at least giving the staff something... Fucking lol.

There's only one way this goes, just curious to see how long it takes to get there.

Sure Astro, you already knew this is how it would end.

[ShutUp]

It being out of the blue is likely because it couldn’t legally even be announced until now. Though the middle of the night in the US, where a lot of the posters are from, is definitely still a funny time to do it 

[Boredfrom]

Is Astro Besada’s alt account? This bipolarity is sus...

The principles this site was built on are important to a lot of people here. It is a relative safe space and there is support for causes important to people.

It's far, far from perfect... but it was one of the very few gaming related places onlime that even attempted to run things that way.

Saying "classic era" here should really be met with a "well, duh!". You are missing the point pretty wildly. 

[remy]

Yeah I don't have sympathy for anyone that takes an unpaid moderator position. It's no doubt stressful but you have no obligation to be a net cop and work for free for someone else if you don't want to.

[Pissy F Benny]

This is why I think the new owners should just come in and remove all the mods and put their own mods. If their serious about wanting this place to grow then getting those community's back here would be great.

Imagine the shit show this would cause. No more mods putting up with incelchief or Kyuujis bullshit 

i wonder if they're hoping that the shit stirrers all flounce off, leaving behind the relative normal posters and try growing it as a proper gaming forum

[remy]

Did you expect anything less from the great mind behind "getting someone else to fuck your girlfriend to help your self esteem"

[BikeJesus]

It's more that both of those owners were involved in copious amounts of gaslighting with regards to both the unpaid mods and the community as a whole.

I highly recommend that the Era mods unionize now.

 

[ShutUp]

The absolute terror over the idea of a gaming message board daring to allow discussion of massive games like the upcoming Hogwarts game 

These are some of the same people who are gonna lead the revolution in this country, eh? Take down the big companies? Eat the rich? 

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

Did any of the usual suspects post in that thread at all? Incelchief? redmercury? Messy? kyuuji? zerovagina? Any mod?
Would love to read some reactions

[Pissy F Benny]

Slayven's gonna need an interpreter and some colored pencils for his negotiation meeting

[Boredfrom]

This is why I think the new owners should just come in and remove all the mods and put their own mods. If their serious about wanting this place to grow then getting those community's back here would be great.

Imagine the shit show this would cause. No more mods putting up with incelchief or Kyuujis bullshit 

i wonder if they're hoping that the shit stirrers all flounce off, leaving behind the relative normal posters and try growing it as a proper gaming forum

Some of the shit stirrers already in defense mode, as long they smell the staff protecting them, they will stay. There is nothing else to go outside of gated communities and they will not get the same privileges right away.

[jorma]

Whoever runs this Moba company is an idiot. The value of Resetera only exists with slave labour and now that the curtain has been torn down, nobody is likely to keep giving their blood, sweat and tears for free.

Let's say they pay a modest $40k per mod (which is pretty cheap) X 10 mods. That's at least $400k in wages. Given the are currently 45 listed staff members, 10 mods is a very conservative estimate.

Turnover is currently $700k. Shit doesn't work out.

paying a forum janitor what essentially is a median swedish salary for a real job doesn't really feel "cheap"
also, it would cost as much in taxes so the real cost of a 40k salary is close to 80k 

[Boredfrom]

Did any of the usual suspects post in that thread at all? Incelchief? redmercury? Messy? kyuuji? zerovagina? Any mod?
Would love to read some reactions

Zerovagina is “joking” around getting paid and Astro is going full cuck in record time. If the thread is open tomorrow morning, we will get the reactions.

[Boredfrom]

For all his faults, Deepwater at least keeps it real:

nother thing too, yall are so fucking fraudulent about this false concern for the mods. The community on this website fucking hates the mods lol. I've been here since the beginning and the community are the ones who have made the terrible conditions, not Cerium. He can be a dickhead for keeping his 4.5Ms, but yall are fucking phonies feigning concern about mods. And then yall cry wolf about leaving when most of yall still crosspost or lurk from the discords. Delusions of grandeur for real. I can't abide by liars, and I see a lot of that in here

Yall feeling bad Cerium ran off like a dickhead but would've used this website 4 MORE years if the situation stayed the same cause yall are frauds and petulant children. Slaves to the engagement. You couldn't stay off if you wanted to

Then again, the mods themselves are the most fraudulent fucks around to begin with.

[remy]

Did any of the usual suspects post in that thread at all? Incelchief? redmercury? Messy? kyuuji? zerovagina? Any mod?
Would love to read some reactions

Zerovagina is “joking” around getting paid and Astro is going full cuck in record time. If the thread is open tomorrow morning, we will get the reactions.

As expected 

[ShutUp]

It's not great, but there's a reason why the site was teetering from existential crisis to another, and that reason has ironically, been removed and people are suddenly defending the very thing that they were rightly critical of before.

It was teetering from one crisis to another because the protected members of the site repeatedly shit up discussions of anything they deem problematic. And then they go into every single thread about it and dominate the discussion, not get banned and the thread is closed and everyone who disagreed with them was banned. Communities finally got fed up with shit like this and went off and made their own sites.

Had people actually been allowed to be rightly critical of the problematic posters, shit would’ve changed long ago instead of the massively insular site it is now.

[Propagandhim]

anyone with more than 10k posts should get paid too

 

[Averon]

For all his faults, Deepwater at least keeps it real:

nother thing too, yall are so fucking fraudulent about this false concern for the mods. The community on this website fucking hates the mods lol. I've been here since the beginning and the community are the ones who have made the terrible conditions, not Cerium. He can be a dickhead for keeping his 4.5Ms, but yall are fucking phonies feigning concern about mods. And then yall cry wolf about leaving when most of yall still crosspost or lurk from the discords. Delusions of grandeur for real. I can't abide by liars, and I see a lot of that in here

Yall feeling bad Cerium ran off like a dickhead but would've used this website 4 MORE years if the situation stayed the same cause yall are frauds and petulant children. Slaves to the engagement. You couldn't stay off if you wanted to

Then again, the mods themselves are the most fraudulent fucks around to begin with.

Yeah, he ain't wrong about them. Also:

Nice gaslighting you’ve going on there

Grab a lighter, and eat my ass cause I dont care

[Boredfrom]

Is still hilarious to me that they pretend people give a fuck about the trans issues in Cyberpunk and that affected the reception of the game at the site. I wonder if someone will snap out and finally call out Kyuuji or TransRE (“we always the victims, nevermind that we are the worst behaved community outside of BCT”).

[ShutUp]

Oh I remember… I haven’t forgotten. And the timing of this is pretty tone deaf too. Dammit

TODAY OF ALL DAYS

Whatever today is anyways

[Propagandhim]

That pseudo-conversation about banning discussion of Blizzard games now looks pretty hilarious in light of the knowledge of all the Blizz property sites MOBA owns.   


"All corporations have molestation.  They all do it!"

[Boredfrom]

.  No way! That OP was clearly just passionate for the idea of a cyberpunk game, 💯, no doubt. 😆 Definitely genuine in every way 💯. A masterful tale told across, what, 50? 60 threads?

.  h so much

But like your example it is and was a ludicrous amount of deification of the game, which even without the negative aspects which hurt so many turned out to be just "another game" and not all that.

Is almost like you didn’t believe it hurt anybody and just bitched about because TransRE

you forget the 🙏

Its bad enough that mods supposedly from the community sided with such people over and above an actual community struggling to be heard. Will a corporate entity trying to build on and get returns on its investment want to do any more?

Incredibly unlikely. Like Mindwipe says.

You are really this ungrateful?

[ShutUp]

They still fucking think the trans community there struggles to be heard 

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

Look at the amount they bought the site for and how much revenue it makes. It's clear Moba is going to increase ads and lower the bar to join the site (removing student/work emails). Unless they plan on bleeding money to peddle our information

Like button coming to Era?

 

[Boredfrom]

. Capitalism at work. Yeah, mods should get paid, at least as a one time thing due to the buyout.

 

You fucking poser idiot. Capitalism is “they mods are going to get kicked out if they go uppity and MOBA Network will just sell our info”.

[Raist]

Since it's come up a lot, I just wanted to mention that we did discuss this with MOBA Network and they were emphatic that they are not in the user data business and never will be. They're not going to sell your data. Nothing is going to change about how your data is handled and protected.

 

[Boredfrom]

They still fucking think the trans community there struggles to be heard 

The only person at TransRE that I feel sorry for is Android Sophia, because I feel she is honest with her opinions but she is obviously brainwashed to pretend neither TransRE or the Mod team are a bunch of pricks.

[Averon]

Lord Fanny, Deepwater, Astro, and Kotto going at it with each other is hilarious

[Potato]

To make this shit work, they either need to keep running on free labour or they need to drastically increase revenue.

The curtain has dropped as far as the amount of revenue the site generates, so the willingness to mod the place for free will be lower and they will need to have actual employees involved.

That means their willingness to continue to give certain people free passes on their shit behaviour is going to end, and we know how that will turn out.

These Moba people are fucking dickheads.

[Propagandhim]

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Your well-being is important to us.  Hey, Bond Captain Nepenthe, can you explain to the fine folks here about our new team bonding retreats sponsored by Mountain Dew Baja Blast, a limited time flavor available at participating retailers?"