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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #20641 on: May 24, 2022, 09:41:17 AM »
Oh Jeez are they all going to cancel their Netflix again? Must be the 5 or 6th time they’ve cancelled this month.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #20642 on: May 24, 2022, 09:54:13 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ricky-gervais-releases-new-netflix-special-overflowing-with-transphobia.586835/

Netflix!!!

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If it wasn't for that thread, and this post about that thread, I never would have even known about the new special. Or all the specials coming out on netflix from GOATs.

So thanks for platforming?

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« Reply #20643 on: May 24, 2022, 10:25:42 AM »
I don't doubt Ricky Gervais says some 2 edgy 4 u stuff about trans people in this special, but what are the odds its a couple of gags at most :thinking
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« Reply #20644 on: May 24, 2022, 10:27:30 AM »
How many tickets has Kyuuji bought for his tour?

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« Reply #20645 on: May 24, 2022, 10:34:57 AM »
I don't doubt Ricky Gervais says some 2 edgy 4 u stuff about trans people in this special, but what are the odds its a couple of gags at most :thinking

I'd guess the jokes aren't even remotely funny either, and that he included them purely to ride the controversy train.

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« Reply #20646 on: May 24, 2022, 10:43:50 AM »
I like how they're posting that unfunny James Acaster bit, a man whose girlfriend literally left him for Mr. Bean  :doge

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« Reply #20647 on: May 24, 2022, 10:47:53 AM »

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« Reply #20648 on: May 24, 2022, 10:57:47 AM »
best part of a a decade ago i went to a intimate comedy night in east london where a bunch of stand ups go through their tour material. tim key headlined and for my money is still one of the best stand ups going. it was a really sympathetic crowd where even the weird avante garde anti comedy mime got a few sympathy laughs.

anyway halfway down the bill was this fella no-one heard of called nish kumar who somehow conjured enough antipathy in the room to crater. had this whole bit about "what is right wing comedy anyway" and even in front of the very sort of shoreditch liberal bourgeoisie this bit was made for, the groans grew to a point where he was just basically arguing with the crowd.

fast forward a few years and the cunt has his own BBC show.
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« Reply #20649 on: May 24, 2022, 10:58:46 AM »
His new special was meh, as most stuff since the XFM days has been, but even the worst bits were funnier than Nish Kumar. Oh look, my voice is strained and high-pitched, I must be emoting hilariously. Yawn.

It's weird that they constantly post the James Acaster bit too. He's a funny dude but the repetition in that bit is so crap I bet he cringes at it nowadays. JUST KEEP SAYING THE LINE AND THEY'LL LAUGH. SAY IT LOUDER. SAY IT HIGHER.

Still, at least they're not posting Gadsby as a rebuttal.

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« Reply #20650 on: May 24, 2022, 11:04:03 AM »
Oh Jeez are they all going to cancel their Netflix again? Must be the 5 or 6th time they’ve cancelled this month.
Can't cancel if they're mooching from family or friends accounts :rollsafe

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« Reply #20651 on: May 24, 2022, 11:17:34 AM »
His new special was meh, as most stuff since the XFM days has been, but even the worst bits were funnier than Nish Kumar. Oh look, my voice is strained and high-pitched, I must be emoting hilariously. Yawn.

gervais's rise was always a weird one because beyond the genius of the office, his style of comedy always seemed so ten a penny in this country. proper baseline a few lads a couple of pints deep sort of thing, never particularly clever but servicably edgy and banterous. you could save your £50 ticket and sit at any random table in a pub and probably get better value.

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« Reply #20652 on: May 24, 2022, 11:24:14 AM »
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Listen, you're the one acting as if people don't have a right to criticize a subscription service. There's no need to gaslight when someone pushes back on you.
The user who took him down with.
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« Reply #20653 on: May 24, 2022, 11:27:38 AM »
gervais's rise was always a weird one because beyond the genius of the office, his style of comedy always seemed so ten a penny in this country. proper baseline a few lads a couple of pints deep sort of thing, never particularly clever but servicably edgy and banterous. you could save your £50 ticket and sit at any random table in a pub and probably get better value.
Got nothing against the dude but I absolutely agree with you. If anything, The Office kinda weirded me out because it was genuinely ground-breaking comedy. I always think he did best as the hype-man in the 'Gervais / Merchant / Pilkington' trio, and his solo stuff is only really prominent because of his name, not his material.

Still, he's found his niche and boy howdy is he making the most of it. Given that he's a stand-up comic, and not the CEO of Raytheon, I'll just leave him to it.

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« Reply #20654 on: May 24, 2022, 11:41:14 AM »
gervais's rise was always a weird one because beyond the genius of the office, his style of comedy always seemed so ten a penny in this country. proper baseline a few lads a couple of pints deep sort of thing, never particularly clever but servicably edgy and banterous. you could save your £50 ticket and sit at any random table in a pub and probably get better value.
Got nothing against the dude but I absolutely agree with you. If anything, The Office kinda weirded me out because it was genuinely ground-breaking comedy. I always think he did best as the hype-man in the 'Gervais / Merchant / Pilkington' trio, and his solo stuff is only really prominent because of his name, not his material.

Still, he's found his niche and boy howdy is he making the most of it. Given that he's a stand-up comic, and not the CEO of Raytheon, I'll just leave him to it.

All this inside baseball talk on British standup comedy, and I get all I need from ‘Would You Lie To Me?’.

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« Reply #20655 on: May 24, 2022, 11:42:30 AM »
His new special was meh, as most stuff since the XFM days has been, but even the worst bits were funnier than Nish Kumar. Oh look, my voice is strained and high-pitched, I must be emoting hilariously. Yawn.

gervais's rise was always a weird one because beyond the genius of the office, his style of comedy always seemed so ten a penny in this country. proper baseline a few lads a couple of pints deep sort of thing, never particularly clever but servicably edgy and banterous. you could save your £50 ticket and sit at any random table in a pub and probably get better value.

Yeah th office was a massive fluke, his output since has been so so at best since for me Jeff.
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« Reply #20656 on: May 24, 2022, 11:58:08 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/sony-confirms-streamed-games-ps3-and-others-won%E2%80%99t-support-dlc-on-ps-plus-premium-vgc.586868/#post-87076898
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« Reply #20657 on: May 24, 2022, 12:10:05 PM »
Of course there is a Sony defense force in that latest debacle Sony themselves created thread  :lol

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #20658 on: May 24, 2022, 12:34:47 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/elden-ring-blaidds-voice-actor-reacts-to-tweets-about-his-character.586523/#post-87030911

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« Reply #20659 on: May 24, 2022, 12:35:40 PM »
Saw something about them running the PAL 50hz versions of games as well.

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« Reply #20660 on: May 24, 2022, 12:40:46 PM »
None of these comedians that think of themselves as edgy and out there have come close to Dear Joan and Jericha. Julia Davis and Vicki Pepperdine’s 25 minutes of improvised filth is funnier than anything Gervais ever dreamed of.

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« Reply #20661 on: May 24, 2022, 01:40:06 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/sony-confirms-streamed-games-ps3-and-others-won%E2%80%99t-support-dlc-on-ps-plus-premium-vgc.586868/#post-87076898
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People here are calm and reasonable, aren't they?

How can you expect a service and bc to work flawlessly on day 1. It should and probably will improve in the time.
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I expected PSN in general to get better over the years, not worse. I don’t give a fuck about the game streaming part of the new subscription service because PS Now was not even a option in my country, so there is little incentive to me to “upgrade” subscriptions if the retro stuff is shitting the bed.

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« Reply #20662 on: May 24, 2022, 01:58:56 PM »
His new special was meh, as most stuff since the XFM days has been, but even the worst bits were funnier than Nish Kumar. Oh look, my voice is strained and high-pitched, I must be emoting hilariously. Yawn.

gervais's rise was always a weird one because beyond the genius of the office, his style of comedy always seemed so ten a penny in this country. proper baseline a few lads a couple of pints deep sort of thing, never particularly clever but servicably edgy and banterous. you could save your £50 ticket and sit at any random table in a pub and probably get better value.

Yeah th office was a massive fluke, his output since has been so so at best since for me Jeff.
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« Reply #20663 on: May 24, 2022, 01:59:55 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/sony-confirms-streamed-games-ps3-and-others-won%E2%80%99t-support-dlc-on-ps-plus-premium-vgc.586868/#post-87076898
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People here are calm and reasonable, aren't they?

How can you expect a service and bc to work flawlessly on day 1. It should and probably will improve in the time.
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I expected PSN in general to get better over the years, not worse. I don’t give a fuck about the game streaming part of the new subscription service because PS Now was not even a option in my country, so there is little incentive to me to “upgrade” subscriptions if the retro stuff is shitting the bed.

Yeah, was expecting the same thing too.

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« Reply #20664 on: May 24, 2022, 02:00:14 PM »
Video blocked by the BBC in my region, what do I pay you fucking bums a licence fee for :rage
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« Reply #20665 on: May 24, 2022, 02:03:34 PM »
The user who took him down with.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #20666 on: May 24, 2022, 02:29:33 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ricky-gervais-releases-new-netflix-special-overflowing-with-transphobia.586835/
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« Reply #20667 on: May 24, 2022, 03:28:01 PM »
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Remember he still owns about 10% of the American office syndication rights. Rewatching the show ultimately ends up putting money in his pocket.
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Basic white bitches funding trans genocide this entire time  :titus
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« Reply #20669 on: May 24, 2022, 03:52:04 PM »
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Rewatching the show ultimately ends up putting money in his pocket.




My face on my 8th rerun of the Gervais special while waiting for Cyberpunk DLC to install

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #20670 on: May 24, 2022, 04:03:56 PM »
I don't doubt Ricky Gervais says some 2 edgy 4 u stuff about trans people in this special, but what are the odds its a couple of gags at most :thinking

I'd guess the jokes aren't even remotely funny either, and that he included them purely to ride the controversy train.
Isn't that just Ricky Gervais in general?

Shit comedian, shit human. Where is that cancel culture when you need it?
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« Reply #20671 on: May 24, 2022, 04:08:34 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvelstudios-should-rename-the-x-men.587030/

Those poll results though.

You know it's bad when even resetera rejects your dumb inclusivity idea.

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« Reply #20672 on: May 24, 2022, 04:10:46 PM »


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« Reply #20673 on: May 24, 2022, 04:12:29 PM »
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How are you undecided? People like that obviously concerned about being cancelled for holding the wrong opinion, so hedged their bets until the prominent members had their say.
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« Reply #20674 on: May 24, 2022, 04:14:22 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvelstudios-should-rename-the-x-men.587030/

Those poll results though.

You know it's bad when even resetera rejects your dumb inclusivity idea.

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« Reply #20675 on: May 24, 2022, 04:28:51 PM »
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #20676 on: May 24, 2022, 04:31:32 PM »
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Disney should just outright say "our movies aren't for racists and if you have a problem with our casting, don't watch our stuff".

How would that stop the harassment?

That's just weak-sauce, corporate, CYA,  :supergay  commercial stuff they complain about all the time.  If Disney did that then he would be calling for them to step up and enforce it.  And then send their Disney "cast members" to round up the bigots and put them in that Disney jail.

 
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« Reply #20677 on: May 24, 2022, 04:36:49 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvelstudios-should-rename-the-x-men.587030/

Those poll results though.

You know it's bad when even resetera rejects your dumb inclusivity idea.

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I don't know anymore if people are mocking overly inclusive language or think it's a legit idea.

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« Reply #20678 on: May 24, 2022, 04:38:16 PM »
Disney should just outright say that Rey canonically got pregnant with Finn's baby and then aborted it between Episodes VII and VIII.
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« Reply #20679 on: May 24, 2022, 04:41:30 PM »
“Our Cyberpunk game isn’t for transphobes and if you aren’t down with that then don’t play it.”

Oh but wait, our data shows you already played and beat it. So what are we even talking about here?

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« Reply #20680 on: May 24, 2022, 04:47:03 PM »
I can’t wait for the introduction of the X-Folx into the MCU. Probably first introduce them as the X-Men and then immediately ruin their intro with some forced terrible joke about “you can’t say it like that anymore”.

Them poll results though  :lol

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« Reply #20681 on: May 24, 2022, 04:47:26 PM »
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Bruv... bruv, every word in this post is so fucking on point. And yeah, I've noticed that shit too. Hard pressed to make a hero of color but low and behold them insta casting any non white person as a villian. I mean, just look at this. Shit is buried deep in anything star wars at a subconscious level or some shit.

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« Reply #20682 on: May 24, 2022, 04:55:02 PM »
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LF could actually be better about not catering to racists. They could stop giving us PoVs of Imperial characters, only have white actors play them, and stop portraying the Dark Side/Empire as "just another side"/worthy of being redeemed (see: Kylo Ren, countless other fascists-turned-good stories).

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lucasfilm-warned-incoming-star-wars-villain-moses-ingram-about-racist-fans.586652/post-87064613

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« Reply #20683 on: May 24, 2022, 04:56:21 PM »
I can’t wait for the introduction of the X-Folx into the MCU. Probably first introduce them as the X-Men and then immediately ruin their intro with some forced terrible joke about “you can’t say it like that anymore”.

Them poll results though  :lol
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« Reply #20684 on: May 24, 2022, 05:01:27 PM »
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LF could actually be better about not catering to racists. They could stop giving us PoVs of Imperial characters, only have white actors play them, and stop portraying the Dark Side/Empire as "just another side"/worthy of being redeemed (see: Kylo Ren, countless other fascists-turned-good stories).

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lucasfilm-warned-incoming-star-wars-villain-moses-ingram-about-racist-fans.586652/post-87064613

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No fascist can't be redeemed. Ever. Just kill them all and hang their bodies from a fence to warn the others.
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« Reply #20685 on: May 24, 2022, 05:06:56 PM »
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LF could actually be better about not catering to racists. They could stop giving us PoVs of Imperial characters, only have white actors play them, and stop portraying the Dark Side/Empire as "just another side"/worthy of being redeemed (see: Kylo Ren, countless other fascists-turned-good stories).

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lucasfilm-warned-incoming-star-wars-villain-moses-ingram-about-racist-fans.586652/post-87064613

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BossAttack (is he still banned?) also had a bunch of posts about how Star Wars needs to keep the bad guys white.

Lots of ResetERA.com (and elsewhere) members would prefer that bad guys are never shown to have anything other than downright evil motives. Literally everyone in the Empire should be top to bottom flat out unhinged evil. Doing it purely for the kicks of being evil.

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« Reply #20687 on: May 24, 2022, 05:07:47 PM »
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LF could actually be better about not catering to racists. They could stop giving us PoVs of Imperial characters, only have white actors play them, and stop portraying the Dark Side/Empire as "just another side"/worthy of being redeemed (see: Kylo Ren, countless other fascists-turned-good stories).

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lucasfilm-warned-incoming-star-wars-villain-moses-ingram-about-racist-fans.586652/post-87064613

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Do they get this mad at the bad guys in LOTR?  Or the borg in Star Trek?  What is this crap?  "Grrrr, there are bad people in my fantasy movie.  Why did they have to ruin the narrative?"

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« Reply #20689 on: May 24, 2022, 05:20:43 PM »
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They could actually develop their characters of color that are on the good side and write them well. But they don't want to do any of that. Empire merch makes money. They've turned fascism into a commodity in that way, and have nailed the aesthetic without delving into the true monstrous nature of it and examining how it develops, spreads, and- most importantly- can be eradicated.

Star Wars, with it’s space wizards and their telekinetic powers, has made FASCISM a commodity.

These lunatics talk about people being radicalized without even thinking of glancing into a mirror. No sane person thinks about shit like this going to watch a fucking Star Wars movie.

Even got the idiots yet again bringing up Cal from Jedi Fallen Order. None of them would have a single problem with the character if the skin color was darker. That’s literally the entire “criticism”  :lol

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« Reply #20690 on: May 24, 2022, 05:36:22 PM »
Uh, George Lucas made the central story of Star Wars Anakin's fall and redemption, it's not a political treatise.

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« Reply #20691 on: May 24, 2022, 05:41:12 PM »
The Jedi are just a bunch of space taliban going around the galaxy kidnapping children :shaq2
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« Reply #20692 on: May 24, 2022, 06:27:00 PM »
https://twitter.com/cowboyacaster/status/1386980286211166215

this is supposed to be a slam?

I like Nish Kumar on panel shows, but this bit is so hypocritical. "Ricky Gervais is a white comedic hack just doing right wing talking points" shouts the brown man doing the exact same thing for the left.

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« Reply #20693 on: May 24, 2022, 06:36:31 PM »
https://twitter.com/cowboyacaster/status/1386980286211166215

this is supposed to be a slam?

I like Nish Kumar on panel shows, but this bit is so hypocritical. "Ricky Gervais is a white comedic hack just doing right wing talking points" shouts the brown man doing the exact same thing for the left.
But it's ok when people on the left do it because they reinforce my personal opinions. I don't want to be challenged by my comedy please.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #20694 on: May 24, 2022, 07:04:33 PM »
Disney should just outright say that Rey canonically got pregnant with Finn's baby and then aborted it between Episodes VII and VIII.

Rey is clearly trans coded, bigot :mysterio
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #20695 on: May 24, 2022, 09:13:55 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/active-shooter-at-robb-elementary-school-in-uvalde-texas-update-eighteen-students-and-three-adults-dead-shooter-dead-see-threadmarks.586970/page-30#post-87113849
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I said this after Sandy Hook, after Parkland, after Vegas, and I'll say it again now: If you are in America and you have the means to get out, then for god sake get out. Canada is a 5-6 hour drive away for most of you. Pack your shit and go. It is not going to get better, if anything it will only get worse as the politics becomes more and more caustic.


Your child has a right to go to school without having to worry about being murdered.
The tragedy is seriously killing me on the inside but what the fuck kind of advice is this?  Why do users on that site ask for advices when there's idiotic ones like this?

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #20696 on: May 24, 2022, 09:29:57 PM »
They think anybody can just leave their job and entire life, pack up everything they have and simply emigrate to a foreign country. Just to avoid a random event that they will never face.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #20697 on: May 24, 2022, 09:54:51 PM »
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #20698 on: May 24, 2022, 09:55:47 PM »

Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #20699 on: May 24, 2022, 09:56:28 PM »
And it is always to majority white countries for some reason. Why not drive south to Mexico? Probably easier to get in than Canada