Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread

[Himu]

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Widow dying was the biggest bummer. I liked her the most.

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[Himu]

This was very different than the trailer I saw yesterday! It's even better!

So many dope monster movies lately with Kong: Skull Island and Shin Godzilla.

I might have to marathon Godzilla movies. I'm TOTALLY in the Gojira mood!

[Momo]

Endgame was a waste of my time, thought it was mediocre. The only thing I genuinely enjoyed was

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fat thor, went from the most boring to the best char for me over two movies

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[Nintex]

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Widow dying was the biggest bummer. I liked her the most.

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She was looking hot as hell again once she got the expository hair/eye brow change

Scarlett 

And her scenes were much less CG focused this time. 

[Joe Molotov]

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Guardians of the Galaxy 3 + Fat Thor is gonna be the best MCU movie since Ragnarok.

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[Momo]

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Guardians of the Galaxy 3 + Fat Thor is gonna be the best MCU movie since Ragnarok.

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[ToxicAdam]

I was really impressed how they handled Banner/Hulk. The way they mo-capped Ruffalo’s face onto the CGI body made me forget I was watching a CGI character.

[Nintex]

Watched Vice.

What a rollercoaster of a movie. The pacing is a bit off though. Like 'the big short' it has these moments when the movie explains stuff to the viewer but those came up a bit too frequently.
They got all of the details right though. They had to walk a fine line to not make Cheney seem like some devilish plotter but simply calculating and loyal and they nailed that perfectly.

Steve Carell as Rumsfeld worked surprsingly well also and Sam Rockwell as Bush did the mannerisms perfect. Although you could say that Bush is portrayed a bit too much as an 'innocent' bystander in this movie.

[TVC15]

The first four minutes of Microwave Massacre, free on Amazon Prime, is Pure Cinema and everyone here should watch it. It will wash that Avengers garbage out of your eyes.

[chronovore]

Watched Vice.

What a rollercoaster of a movie. The pacing is a bit off though. Like 'the big short' it has these moments when the movie explains stuff to the viewer but those came up a bit too frequently.
They got all of the details right though. They had to walk a fine line to not make Cheney seem like some devilish plotter but simply calculating and loyal and they nailed that perfectly.

Steve Carell as Rumsfeld worked surprsingly well also and Sam Rockwell as Bush did the mannerisms perfect. Although you could say that Bush is portrayed a bit too much as an 'innocent' bystander in this movie.

My impression is that IRL Dubya is a college-bro type with daddy issues, and was happy to let Rumsfeld and Cheney pretty much set policy and do the day-to-day.

[chronovore]

Cheered? In a theatre?

Is this an American thing

As an American in a Japanese theater, you could say it is inherently American in this context.

[bork]

Endgame was a waste of my time, thought it was mediocre. The only thing I genuinely enjoyed was

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fat thor, went from the most boring to the best char for me over two movies

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You didn't like Thor: Ragnarok?  Really enjoyed that one. 

[Himu]

Gojira/Godzilla (1954)





Few films manage to make the cultural impact of the original Godzilla. Unfortunately, after half a century of kiddy, cookie cutter, even outright cool interpretations, the original has lost its original splash. Now when people think of Godzilla we think of either cheese, bad effects, or balls to the wall monster action. However, the original was a response to a nearly decade long national anxiety due to the aftermath of the atom bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The original Godzilla is deeply political and terrifying. After underwater H bomb tests destroys its natural habitat, Godzilla comes up from its prehistoric, deep sea crevice for retribution on humanity. It sinks ships, eats humans, causes tsunamis. A walking H-bomb due to the radiation from the underwater tests, Godzilla stands as a literal walking example of national fear and anxiety.

Often in Godzilla movies they struggle to get right the balance between concentrating on humans versus concentrating on the King of Monsters. Here, it's balanced. We see Godzilla terrorizing Tokyo as mothers cradle their crying children lulling them as they offer the peace that death will bring: a reunion with their father. Then we watch as Godzilla crushes the building they're in. In other Godzilla movies, we're used to seeing people flee from it, destroy buildings but that's usually confetti to make Godzilla look rather than terrifying. Eventually, a scientists uncovers a way to kill Godzilla but doing so means unveiling a weapon far more deadly than the H-bomb. What happens is a philosophical juncture: do we suffer Godzilla destroying the world as a result of man-made weaponry, or do we up the stakes and unveil and even more deadly weapon for survival?

The original Godzilla is a deeply terrifying, butt clenching drama that has aged wonderfully over half a century after its creation that still remains as relevant then as it does now. It remains the king of all monster movies that have since lost what made the original so poignant.

Godzilla '54 is a textbook case example of why great film is almost never made in a bubble. Knowing the cultural attitudes and historicity of the times and place it was created in makes the movie all the grander, and illuminates its message as if held up by the bolstering strength of the great beast himself.

[Himu]

You watched the original, not king of monsters, right?

uh yeah

[bork]

Saw Avengers: Endgame this morning.  Earliest show available...still got out of there at 1:30 PM.  Holy shit, that was a long movie.  But it was enjoyable and I think at this point you know if you want to sit through these movies or not.

I thought this was a good way to end the whole "Infinite" storyline and really wonder how they're going to proceed, going forward.  At the moment, they don't even have anything coming after Spider-Man, IIRC- I think 2020 has two placeholder dates, but they haven't started filming anything, or have they? 

Spoiler-filled thoughts:

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-The world seemed to be presented as pretty chill, considering so many people were erased and governments were essentially gone. 

-Drunken, fat Thor was fucking great.  Loved everything he did in this movie and really liked the Korg (and his little buddy) cameo with them playing Fortnite and yelling at some little kid trolling them.    This is the kind of shit I enjoy in these movies.  Ditto with the dumb photo-taking banter between Hulk and Ant-Man at the diner and War Machine and Nebula watching Star-Lord dance around.   

-Didn't like how present time-Thanos went down like a bitch and was taken out so easily in the beginning, but I guess this was foreshadowing how using the gauntlet takes a lot out of you for the later scenes.

-The theater didn't seem to know how to react to Black Widow killing herself to get the soul stone to appear.  You could hear people crying during other parts of the movie, but here...silence.    Poor ScarJo. 

-I would have liked to have seen just a little bit more from Clint as Ronin instead of just getting it relayed that he went and killed a bunch of drug dealers in Mexico.  The whole "stereotypical TOKYO WHERE YAKUZA ALL HAVE KATANA AND FIGHT LIKE SAMURAI" thing was just kinda there, then he's basically Hawkeye again after this.  Black Widow popping up was seriously enough to get him stop rage-killing after his family was gone?

-LOL at the amount of time Captain Marvel had in this movie.  Was it even five minutes of screen time?    Just seems kinda funny after Infinite War ends with Fury using the pager to summon her, the buildup to her coming with her origin movie, and then...she was basically just kind of there.

-The time travel stuff was a lot of fun, but also caused a lot of plot holes and just general fuckery.  This is usually the case with time travel movies, so whatever, I guess, but for shits n' giggles:

-They never mentioned anything about 2012 Loki getting a stone and warping out of NYC.  Seems like kind of a big deal since that changes the outcome of the first Avengers storyline.  Is this supposed to mean a different alternate timeline?  Are we supposed to not worry about that and then this will be used to explain how Loki comes back later, either in a movie or his upcoming TV series?

-Really liked how The Ancient One already knew everything that was going to happen and implied Dr. Strange did, too, following what he did at the end of Infinite War.  Funny that she basically did a Doc Brown when explaining timeline stuff, even though they made more than one BttF joke about how that's not how time travel stuff works, lol.

-Seen this pop up in a few places already: Steve going back to the 40s, to be with Peggy, creates so many problems.  She was already married and had kids.  So they're gone now?  What about him being back there and doing nothing to prevent all the other shit that happens, like Hydra taking over SHIELD, Bucky being used as the Winter Soldier, and all the events of the previous movies?
 

-But am totally fine with this being his send-off and giving the shield to Falcon.  It mirrors the comics anyway, albeit differently- a few years ago, after a storyline where he was aged to an old man, he did the same thing and we got Falcon Captain America for a bit. 

-This also leaves the door wide open for Captain America to come back, should Evans come back or a different actor pops up- either do something to de-age old man Steve or just grab him back from the past.  I guess the latter could easily be used to bring back anyone who died, but it's not like we haven't had Captain America and Iron Man die and come back already in the comics.  They could easily do something with Iron Man where he gets a cloned body that looks different (new actor) and reveal that he backed up his memories (as cheesy as this is, the comics have done this!) in case of an emergency or whatever.

-Taking the stones from the past and using them (then returning them)...OK.  But how the hell do you explain Thor taking his hammer?  What I mean is...wouldn't past Thor be freaking the fuck out over his hammer being missing, or are we supposed to just think that Steve returned the hammer to the exact moment when it was taken?

-What about returning the stones?  How the hell did Captain America do this?     Most of them were not in gem form and hidden in some pretty hard to find or access places.  What about the soul stone?  How the hell do you return that?  UN-KILL somebody?  Wouldn't that mean Steve also meets the Red Skull on that planet?  How did that go down?    This shit could be a movie by itself!

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When Cap was returning the Soul Gem why didn’t he pick up an extra Natasha or grab a spare Tony while he was in New York. What a dick.

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It's funny though- but seriously...why didn't they do this?    

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I mean, we have past Gamora in the present time and nobody seemed to mind.  Why not bring back the characters who didn't make it?  Cap had no problem fucking with time to go marry Peggy Carter!   Poor Vision, too.  Not even a mention in Endgame. 

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Also: If Endgame takes place five years later, why the hell is Spider-Man still in high school in the upcoming movie? Like, OK, you could say "well he was gone from the snap and came back," but...what about all his classmates who didn't get dusted?  LOL if that movie tries to explain this with "the whole class was gone!"

[Himu]

Saw Avengers: Endgame this morning.  Earliest show available...still got out of there at 1:30 PM.  Holy shit, that was a long movie.  But it was enjoyable and I think at this point you know if you want to sit through these movies or not.

I thought this was a good way to end the whole "Infinite" storyline and really wonder how they're going to proceed, going forward.  At the moment, they don't even have anything coming after Spider-Man, IIRC- I think 2020 has two placeholder dates, but they haven't started filming anything, or have they? 

Spoiler-filled thoughts:

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-The world seemed to be presented as pretty chill, considering so many people were erased and governments were essentially gone. 

-Drunken, fat Thor was fucking great.  Loved everything he did in this movie and really liked the Korg (and his little buddy) cameo with them playing Fortnite and yelling at some little kid trolling them.    This is the kind of shit I enjoy in these movies.  Ditto with the dumb photo-taking banter between Hulk and Ant-Man at the diner and War Machine and Nebula watching Star-Lord dance around.   

-Didn't like how present time-Thanos went down like a bitch and was taken out so easily in the beginning, but I guess this was foreshadowing how using the gauntlet takes a lot out of you for the later scenes.

-The theater didn't seem to know how to react to Black Widow killing herself to get the soul stone to appear.  You could hear people crying during other parts of the movie, but here...silence.    Poor ScarJo. 

-I would have liked to have seen just a little bit more from Clint as Ronin instead of just getting it relayed that he went and killed a bunch of drug dealers in Mexico.  The whole "stereotypical TOKYO WHERE YAKUZA ALL HAVE KATANA AND FIGHT LIKE SAMURAI" thing was just kinda there, then he's basically Hawkeye again after this.  Black Widow popping up was seriously enough to get him stop rage-killing after his family was gone?

-LOL at the amount of time Captain Marvel had in this movie.  Was it even five minutes of screen time?    Just seems kinda funny after Infinite War ends with Fury using the pager to summon her, the buildup to her coming with her origin movie, and then...she was basically just kind of there.

-The time travel stuff was a lot of fun, but also caused a lot of plot holes and just general fuckery.  This is usually the case with time travel movies, so whatever, I guess, but for shits n' giggles:

-They never mentioned anything about 2012 Loki getting a stone and warping out of NYC.  Seems like kind of a big deal since that changes the outcome of the first Avengers storyline.  Is this supposed to mean a different alternate timeline?  Are we supposed to not worry about that and then this will be used to explain how Loki comes back later, either in a movie or his upcoming TV series?

-Really liked how The Ancient One already knew everything that was going to happen and implied Dr. Strange did, too, following what he did at the end of Infinite War.  Funny that she basically did a Doc Brown when explaining timeline stuff, even though they made more than one BttF joke about how that's not how time travel stuff works, lol.

-Seen this pop up in a few places already: Steve going back to the 40s, to be with Peggy, creates so many problems.  She was already married and had kids.  So they're gone now?  What about him being back there and doing nothing to prevent all the other shit that happens, like Hydra taking over SHIELD, Bucky being used as the Winter Soldier, and all the events of the previous movies?
 

-But am totally fine with this being his send-off and giving the shield to Falcon.  It mirrors the comics anyway, albeit differently- a few years ago, after a storyline where he was aged to an old man, he did the same thing and we got Falcon Captain America for a bit. 

-This also leaves the door wide open for Captain America to come back, should Evans come back or a different actor pops up- either do something to de-age old man Steve or just grab him back from the past.  I guess the latter could easily be used to bring back anyone who died, but it's not like we haven't had Captain America and Iron Man die and come back already in the comics.  They could easily do something with Iron Man where he gets a cloned body that looks different (new actor) and reveal that he backed up his memories (as cheesy as this is, the comics have done this!) in case of an emergency or whatever.

-Taking the stones from the past and using them (then returning them)...OK.  But how the hell do you explain Thor taking his hammer?  What I mean is...wouldn't past Thor be freaking the fuck out over his hammer being missing, or are we supposed to just think that Steve returned the hammer to the exact moment when it was taken?

-What about returning the stones?  How the hell did Captain America do this?     Most of them were not in gem form and hidden in some pretty hard to find or access places.  What about the soul stone?  How the hell do you return that?  UN-KILL somebody?  Wouldn't that mean Steve also meets the Red Skull on that planet?  How did that go down?    This shit could be a movie by itself!

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When Cap was returning the Soul Gem why didn’t he pick up an extra Natasha or grab a spare Tony while he was in New York. What a dick.

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It's funny though- but seriously...why didn't they do this?    

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I mean, we have past Gamora in the present time and nobody seemed to mind.  Why not bring back the characters who didn't make it?  Cap had no problem fucking with time to go marry Peggy Carter!   Poor Vision, too.  Not even a mention in Endgame. 

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Also: If Endgame takes place five years later, why the hell is Spider-Man still in high school in the upcoming movie? Like, OK, you could say "well he was gone from the snap and came back," but...what about all his classmates who didn't get dusted?  LOL if that movie tries to explain this with "the whole class was gone!"

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The whole school scene with peter was awful. Peter was one of the vanished. Certainly even people he wasn't close with would give him a hug and throw a whole mother fucking ceremony. Instead he's alone and there's his friend to greet him.

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I don't know if I'm being nitpicky but I can very nitpicky when it comes to Spider-Man. Because he's the GOAT and everything.

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Also: If Endgame takes place five years later, why the hell is Spider-Man still in high school in the upcoming movie? Like, OK, you could say "well he was gone from the snap and came back," but...what about all his classmates who didn't get dusted?  LOL if that movie tries to explain this with "the whole class was gone!"

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The whole school scene with peter was awful. Peter was one of the vanished. Certainly even people he wasn't close with would give him a hug and throw a whole mother fucking ceremony. Instead he's alone and there's his friend to greet him.

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I don't know if I'm being nitpicky but I can very nitpicky when it comes to Spider-Man. Because he's the GOAT and everything.

It does seem a little nitpicky, yeah.   

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It was just a second or two long part of the montage to show Ned and whatnot.  You have to assume that Peter wasn't the only kid who was gone in that school anyway.

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Maybe Spider-Man 2 will even touch on this stuff in the beginning?

[bork]

Oh, and Nebula:

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Shouldn't she have been erased from existence after killing her past self?

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[Himu]

Nebula is a terrible character. Am I the only one who hates her?

[benjipwns]

EXCLUSIVE: Forgotten Mid-Credits Scene

[Pan up to four straight white men sitting on thrones]

Anthony Russo, Joe Russo, Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely (in unison): Not our problem. C-T-C. Cut. The. Check.

[Cut to regular credit scroll]

[Tripon]

Oh, and Nebula:

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Shouldn't she have been erased from existence after killing her past self?

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That whole universe lost Thanos, his army, Gemora, Nebula, etc. It became a new timeline, I guess, so she didn't fuck over her own timeline at that point.

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[Tripon]

This trailer is now a spoiler for Avengers: Endgame.

[Himu]

This trailer is now a spoiler for Avengers: Endgame.

Why is Spider-Man having a movie not in NYC? Spider-Man is literally made for NYC because of the skyscrapers. London has 19 skyscrapers vs NYC's 273. London has less skyscrapers than Houston and...

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

Yeah, yeah, Endgame whatevs. I just want to say how much I appreciate that there's any other talk round' here about flipping David Lynch or anything else. Thanks for being awesome ya'all.

FWIW I think Mulholland Drive is a better film then humanity deserves. Godzilla 54' has a wonderful sense of despair and creeping dread. Love that movie.

Lots of films are labeled as 'talky', Mike Leigh's new work Peterloo is the rare film that's 'speechy'. It chronicles the events, motivations, and key players leading up to and including the Peterloo massacre of 1815 wherein a British pro-democracy protest was vehemently punished for their insolence. A great deal of the film consists of quite literal rabble rousing, as one minor figure makes an impassioned political speech before ceding the opportunity to further opine to another slightly less minor historical figure. Its an easier film to respect than to love, as the cumulative effect so very many eloquent expressions of righteous indignation over time becomes numbing even as the plot, such as it is, makes each one more important. There's also some well realized characters (Rory Kinnear as Henry Hunt stands out as a right minded stuffed shirt) and some of the best dang period detail you'll see outside of Barry Lyndon. I did like this film, but for the first time ever keeping up with a Mike Leigh film seemed more like work than I was accustomed to.

[Potato]

Saw Endgame.

Liked it.

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It's more fun of you just ignore all the potential consequences of the different timeline malarkey and just treat it like the popcorn movie it is.

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[Himu]

*mentions Barry Lyndon*

*instantly adds to watch list*

[Transhuman]

This Barry Lyneon movie sounds good. What is his superpower?

[Himu]

This Barry Lyneon movie sounds good. What is his superpower?

Making people laugh and being a failure.

My favorite Kubrick!

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

saw a vintage 65mm print of it last year.

 

I actually much preferred Leigh's previous film Mr. Turner, which is in the same-ish era and is soley focused on the last twenty years in the life of J.M.W. Turner. Peterloo sprawls in a messy fashion, but it still works quite well as a history lesson spiked with artistry.

[thisismyusername]

Oh, and Nebula:

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Shouldn't she have been erased from existence after killing her past self?

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Supposedly no. Since her present self was in that "timeline."

There's a bunch of shit in End Game that makes me really angry. On one hand: It's an entertaining pop-corn flick, but on the other: It's really weak compared to Infinity War and a lot of that is because of Time Travel bullshit and Cpt. Marvel-Sue saving the day.

[chronovore]

Nebula is a terrible character. Am I the only one who hates her?

I really dislike her, too.

[chronovore]

Watched Kubo and the Two Strings. That movie was wonderful. Perfect. I wish I'd seen it in a theater. I wish a lot more people had.

Is that a WWII joke

I wish that I was that clever.

[Madrun Badrun]

Endgame was a near perfect movie.   

[Rahxephon91]

This trailer is now a spoiler for Avengers: Endgame.

Why is Spider-Man having a movie not in NYC? Spider-Man is literally made for NYC because of the skyscrapers. London has 19 skyscrapers vs NYC's 273. London has less skyscrapers than Houston and...

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Because there's 7 Spider-man movies set in NYC and they want to try something different? He's on a trip and I'm sure the differences between London and NYC will be brought up in typical Marvel humor.

And I'm sure the setting will play into whatever themes and story they are trying to tell.

[Himu]

That’s like making a Batman movie not set in Gotham. NYC is so tied to Spider-Man’s identity as a hero that “but why?” is literally the only question I can think of as a retort. Sure, you could. But why? "We want to do something different" isn't really an answer. Visiting other locales for a spell? Okay. Batman did that in the Nolan trilogy, but they were short and Gotham was pretty central. But making the entire story of the movie away from the central location tied to the character? Spider-man, the every man, the average joe, on a school trip to tour Europe? Uhh...okay. Sounds exactly why Spider-Man is an endearing character.

Spider-man’s movies might be the biggest continual mismanagement of a major adapted property I’ve ever seen. Dude has had three iterations in two decades, two reboots in less than one decade - made five years apart in fact. They have no idea what to do with this character.

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sorry chrono

 

people do it here in new zealand as well, especially at film fest stuff. idgi unless the director was in attendance or something.

[The Sceneman]

Just saw Endgame. My review:

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1. Thanos
2. Evangaline Lilly needed more screen time
3. Why did I feel funny when I looked at Captain Marvel

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[The Sceneman]

Oh, and Nebula:

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Shouldn't she have been erased from existence after killing her past self?

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They explain what school of time-travel theory they are adhering to early on in the film - ie. linear time as in Terminator, Back to the Future is not the go here. Past changes causes a new time strand to open up based on that change, but the core timeline is unaffected. Also demonstrated by Tilda Swintons exposition magic.

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[Rahxephon91]

Spider-man has been in space in both comics and now movies. Seems pretty dumb to complain about him going to Europe for a movie. I'm not sure how a young kid going on a vacation in Europe where he will no doubt learn that his responsibilities from being Spider-man do not just stop when away from home is not understanding the character.

But then again your complaining about a character leaving New York, but not getting an alien suit on some cosmic space planet.

And really biggest mis-management? Um not hardly. Homecoming and Spider-Verse where some of the best recent Super-hero movies. Spidey's use in the MCU has been great. A weak end to a great triligoy and two meh movies have nothing on the X-men, FF, DC's shit, and plenty of other bad super hero moves.

They have nothing to do with this character? Except make on of the best Super hero movies ever(Spider-verse) and have him an enduring role young hero role and Iron Man as his mentor. Do you even watch these movies are just the trailers to complain about them? Escpically since Homecoming and Spider-Verse are probably the the movies that best played up NYC as an actual relevant setting.

[The Sceneman]

I'm not really a superhero fan in general but I can appreciate a good flick. Spiderman Homecoming was a great twist on the teenage angst tropes with great and charismatic performances from Tom Holland, his best mate and Keaton. Definitely pumped for the next one - love me some J Gylenhaal

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https://twitter.com/Moviesontheway/status/1121545762490417152

[Himu]

Spider-man has been in space in both comics and now movies. Seems pretty dumb to complain about him going to Europe for a movie. I'm not sure how a young kid going on a vacation in Europe where he will no doubt learn that his responsibilities from being Spider-man do not just stop when away from home is not understanding the character.

But then again your complaining about a character leaving New York, but not getting an alien suit on some cosmic space planet.

And really biggest mis-management? Um not hardly. Homecoming and Spider-Verse where some of the best recent Super-hero movies. Spidey's use in the MCU has been great. A weak end to a great triligoy and two meh movies have nothing on the X-men, FF, DC's shit, and plenty of other bad super hero moves.

They have nothing to do with this character? Except make on of the best Super hero movies ever(Spider-verse) and have him an enduring role young hero role and Iron Man as his mentor. Do you even watch these movies are just the trailers to complain about them? Escpically since Homecoming and Spider-Verse are probably the the movies that best played up NYC as an actual relevant setting.

Just because Spider-man has gone to space doesn’t mean it’s good. I am not a fan of Spider-Man being an Avenger and never have been.

I haven’t seen Spider Verse yet. I forgot about that.

How does anything you said relate to Spider-Man’s appeal as a character?

Spider-Man is an every man. He’s a super hero and is stronger than the average person but but not as strong as the average superhero. The dude survives by his intelligence and creativity. Spider-Man is no Bruce wayne or Tony Stark. He struggles to pay the bills while balancing his superhero life and the married life. At one point in time, he drops out of college. Peter Parker is fragile despite his status as a superhero.

How does going to Europe serve to reinforce his status as an everyman? He’s poor as shit. How does any of this help the audience relate to his character? No average American kid is going to Europe for a trip.

And that’s also a major problem. In the films they keep making him a teenager when he’s a teenager for all of 30 issues in the original Spider-Man comics (nearly the entirety of Ditko’s involvement). Yet here we are. With teenage Spider-Man. Again. You say,”they want to do some different” but they have tons of comic source material to pull from. Have him graduate, and transition from a self loathing nerd to a man that needs to support himself with a dead end job and a thankless superhero gig. But nah, he’s an avenger now. What about the Peter Parker that becomes a high school teacher in the ghetto who tries to mentor his students both as Spider-Man and Peter Parker?

Going on a road trip through Europe. Okay. I mean, sounds fun. But what does that have anything to do with the character and what makes him appealing?

Tbh, the current incarnation might be the worst Spider-Man movie version. Compared to the 90’s cartoon, Raimi Spider-Man I rank it very, very low. I even prefer the Andrew Garfield era and have no idea they didn’t continue giving that universe a shot. After seeing Spider-Man have a marriage, finally manage to graduate college, and work as high school teacher it’s pretty damn hard to go back to teenage spider-man as your standards for the character have risen.

Tbh,”let’s do something different” is exactly why the character has lost traction since One More Day. They focus on being different and gimmick storylines like every citizen in NYC gaining Spider Powers (fucking stupid) rather than Spidey’s bread and butter: being the superhero for every day people. A man who could have ultimate wish fulfillment and discards it for personal responsibility.

But okay. Let’s do something different.

[Himu]

Feel like I'm the only person on the planet who just isn't a huge Spider-Man fan;  or at least not a fan of teeny-bopper Spider-Man.

I mean Holland does an OK job at it I just don't really enjoy the character much; the aww-shucks Mr Stark stuff is jut grating to me.

I hate teenage spider-man. It’s fine for a time. But literally every famous spider-man story besides his origin is told as an adult. A poor, working man that struggles balancing love life, work, and his thankless superhero gig is far more endearing than a fucking geek in high school. Spider-Man is the first super hero to my knowledge to get married and has a healthy relationship with his wife. Instead, let’s keep making him a teenager. Let’s do something different.

[Himu]

Riotous: this is the best written thing I’ve seen on why Spider-Man might be the GOAT.

https://www.quora.com/Is-Spider-Man-the-greatest-superhero-of-all-time-Why-or-why-not

[Rahxephon91]

I don't even know why anyone tries to argue with Cindi.

[Rahxephon91]

How does anything I say relate to the character? Um I don't know maybe because the fact of the matter is your complaint about the setting doesn't take away from the character. Spider-man can be put into many settings and situations, and still have plenty of his everyday man aspects played on. He's in Space! But he's the one makeing refrences to sci fi movies, not understanding what the hell is actualy going on, and only there because his "mentor"/idol is there. These things feel more relatable then the billionare super hero team leader there for revenge on cosmic badguy. His setting has been changed, but aspects have not. Your constant whinning about him being the everyman character misses the point that he is also a comic book character and that aspect will be stretched thin as he is a superhero constantly put into unrealistic aspects. But it also dosen't understand that what your saying is a vague thing that means nothing. And as a comic book character, aspects and elements can be changed and reinterpreted.

The Tom Holland movie still presents Spider-man as a relatable person with average person problems. It also presents him as a NY teen going to a special high school and someone being watched over by Tony Stark. These are not things the average joe would be doing, but they do not take away that the Tom Holland Spider-man feels more normal compared to Iron Man or Thor. They don't make his problems seem unrelatable, which in the end is the main aspect of Spider-man. Did you watch Homecoming? It was the entire point of their depiction of Spider-man.

Yet, here you are getting bent out of shape because "oh no he's in Europe, but Spiderman is poor and I guess somehow normal people can't go to Europe so they don't get the character and it's unrealistic".

You don't know the context. Normal people can go to Europe and no doubt the change in setting will play into whatever themes the story is trying to say about this Spider-man.

And it's pretty important to note that pretty much every modern Spider-man draws from Ultimate Spider-man. That's the popular modern version of the character. And that Spider-man was a teen for pretty much his whole run. That's the Spider-man this Tom Holland Spider-man probably draws the most from and in this depection they have focused on him being the teen Super-hero.

But I guess because he's going to Europe none of that matters and it's bad.

In the end this all sounds like a typical Cindi argument. I don't like it because it's not made the way I want.

[Himu]

Funnily, I thought Venom was great. If only we can have a great Spider-Man movie.

I don't feel like writing anymore so I'll just link this video, hope you can understand what I am coming from.



TBH you fervently defend the MCU so I doubt you will.

[I'm a Puppy!]

I think a lot of people complaining about Endgame expected a film. It's a popcorn Lowest Common Denominator flick. But for what it is, it does that exceptionally well.  It's like having the finest thing on the McDonald's menu. Yes, it's not the best quality, but if you wanted quality why were you going to McDonalds? I mean this isn't Taco bell.

[paprikastaude]

Superhero movies in the last 10 years that weren't the first half of Logan =  

[nachobro]

X-Men and Fantastic Four were way more mismanaged than Spidermang

[Rahxephon91]

Funnily, I thought Venom was great. If only we can have a great Spider-Man movie.

I don't feel like writing anymore so I'll just link this video, hope you can understand what I am coming from.



TBH you fervently defend the MCU so I doubt you will.

Love that Cindi condescending attitude. I don't fervently defend the MCU. I don't give a shit about it. I'm just not an annoying jaded nerd like you.

And since we're posting videos now. Here's mine.



And we've had amazing Spider-man movies. They were called Spider-Verse and Spider-man 2.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Superhero movies in the last 10 years that weren't the first half of Logan =  

This post after Into the Spiderverse?

[Don Rumata]

Proper great tier:
Spiderman 1
Spiderman 2
Into the Spiderverse

People don't get it tier:
Spiderman 3

Competent tier:
Homecoming

Money Laundering scheme tier:
Amazing Spiderman

Haven't seen the rest.

[Rahxephon91]

Spider-Verse
Spider-Man-2
Spider-Man 1
Homecoming
Spider-Man 3*
Venom

The Amazing movies are just boring. Nice cgi I guess.

[The Sceneman]

Spiderman movie rankings:

Spiderman (2002)
Spiderman Into The Spiderverse (2018)
Spiderman 2 (2004)
Spiderman 3 (2007)
Amazing Spiderman (2012)
Amazing Spiderman 2 (2014)
Venom (2018)
Spiderman Homecoming (2017)


TOO MANY SPIDERMEN NO MORE PLEASE ONE OF THEM HAS 5 DIFFERENT SPIDER GUYS

Does this list read in ascending or descending order?

[nice cat but chicken]

Good
Into the Spiderverse
Homecoming
Amazing Spiderman

Quite good
Amazing Spiderman 2

Unwatchable dreck
Spiderman 1-3 in order

Need to see
Venom

[Great Rumbler]

Final Fantasy VII > Final Fantasy X-2 > Final Fantasy XII > Final Fantasy XV > Final Fantasy IX > Final Fantasy VI > Final Fantasy X > All those other NES/SNES FFs that I don't care about > Those two Final Fantasy MMOs > Final Fantasy VIII

[Joe Molotov]

Under the Silver Lake

More sex scenes than Endgame.

5/5

[TVC15]

Under the Silver Lake

More sex scenes than Endgame.

5/5

Would I like it?

[Joe Molotov]

Maybe. It’s kinda like Mandy, if at the end Nic Cage had just hung out with the hippies and did some drugs and sex and then went back home.