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« Reply #4140 on: July 01, 2018, 07:50:29 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/world/europe/bavaria-immigration-afd-munich.html
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MUNICH — All seems well in Bavaria.

The streets are clean, unemployment is practically nonexistent, social benefits are generous and a vibrant sense of identity infuses small villages and big cities alike: Even teenagers sometimes don dirndls and lederhosen for a night out at the disco.

Yet this is the new angry center of Europe, the latest battleground for populists eager to bring down both Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany and the idea of a liberal Europe itself.

Rich, religious and on the southern border, Bavaria is the Texas of Germany.

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« Reply #4141 on: July 01, 2018, 01:25:46 PM »
As a Bavarian who has been to Texas once, the comparison seems apt.

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On topic: Currently all of us Bavarians are watching whether CDU and CSU will continue their unholy union, or break apart so Seehofer can be his true self and crawl in front of the AfD peeps some more. Pretty exciting stuff to be honest.

For one, Seehofer taking the CSU and doing his own thing could backfire spectacularly. CSU isn't even all that well-liked in Bavaria according to polls, but it gets votes because CDU isn't competing in Bavaria so they're the proxy "Republican" vote. If their union should fall apart and CDU starts to compete in Bavaria, CSU could find itself in hot water.

Breaking the union also means Merkel gets bent over a barrel, politically, since she needs the CSU to have the kind of unflinching support to bully the other parties. It'd also push CDU even more to the middle of the political spectrum (and the CSU even farther into the right). Interesting times ahead.
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« Reply #4143 on: July 02, 2018, 02:33:57 AM »
I refuse to cheer until his resignation is accepted and the old foagey is on his way back home. So far I'd classify this as a double dog dare, and there's a very good chance Merkel will step back in the interest of staying in power and avoiding a whole slew of annoyances.

(I am stocking up on party supplies though. That guy's an asshole. Just like most of the rest of his party.)
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« Reply #4144 on: July 02, 2018, 03:11:29 AM »
The french observers I listened to agree that everyone will probably chicken out in the end, as no one is really in shape to profit from a crisis apart from the AFD.

They also commented that the echos from the Bundestag were that the optimism the AFD would discredit themselves in the "real" day to day political work in parliament was unfounded. Their teams are competent and engaged, so no sudden credibility collapse to wait from here.
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« Reply #4145 on: July 02, 2018, 03:47:02 AM »
The french observers I listened to agree that everyone will probably chicken out in the end
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« Reply #4146 on: July 02, 2018, 11:03:02 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/world/europe/bavaria-immigration-afd-munich.html
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MUNICH — All seems well in Bavaria.

The streets are clean, unemployment is practically nonexistent, social benefits are generous and a vibrant sense of identity infuses small villages and big cities alike: Even teenagers sometimes don dirndls and lederhosen for a night out at the disco.

Yet this is the new angry center of Europe, the latest battleground for populists eager to bring down both Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany and the idea of a liberal Europe itself.

Rich, religious and on the southern border, Bavaria is the Texas of Germany.


And that's how they intend to keep it.

Its one of those strange arguments the left throws out, "you vote conservatively yet you don't live in our cosmopolitan wonderland!" It's almost as if we live in the age of the automobile and a dime a dozen shithole city full of vibrants is a 30 minute drive away.





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« Reply #4147 on: July 02, 2018, 01:36:00 PM »
The fuckery around Seehofer continues.

Other parties are already calling for Bavaria to close its borders and not let Seehofer back in. Oh, and for Seehofer to resign in earnest regardless of outcome etc. The old ghoul is drawing a lot of aggro. And press. Just like he wanted to. It's sad.

Gotta love the SPD in all of this though. They're just laying low and pretending to be furniture. Well not quite, they're occasionally carefully going with the flow. Better not offend Mutti in the likely case that this is all a work.  ::)
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« Reply #4148 on: July 02, 2018, 04:59:05 PM »
The fuckery around Seehofer continues.

Other parties are already calling for Bavaria to close its borders and not let Seehofer back in. Oh, and for Seehofer to resign in earnest regardless of outcome etc. The old ghoul is drawing a lot of aggro. And press. Just like he wanted to. It's sad.

Gotta love the SPD in all of this though. They're just laying low and pretending to be furniture. Well not quite, they're occasionally carefully going with the flow. Better not offend Mutti in the likely case that this is all a work.  ::)
From what I'm reading there is some sort of CSU/CDU deal on the table that includes migrant transit zones. But the SPD was always against that so if they block it, the government could collapse.
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« Reply #4149 on: July 02, 2018, 07:10:13 PM »
That's the beauty of politics.

SPD now has the option to kill the GroKo and effectively end Merkel. This would be quite a disaster for everyone involved, including them because they're still polling like repackaged shit. So they will go into talks and attempt to fire up some drama like Seehofer, but since nobody takes them seriously anymore they will bow down in the end. In general: Everyone knows the C*U are assholes. The SPD sells themselves as middle class gentlebeings, so they can't really hold a knife to Muttis neck and demand equal treatment.

Plus, it's either them or Seehofer, and CDU/CSU won't even consider them over their own Union. At best it will be a relabeling and fudging of sorts. Maybe a kicking of the can down the road. And that will kill the SPD at the polls some more. And fire up the good old drama factory inside the party, which had just barely calmed down after the last election debacle.

The alternative is being labeled the coalition destroyer and going into another election with no hope of achieving a majority, tanking numbers, and also branded as an unreliable coalition partner. I don't have a good read on the new leadership, but I very much doubt they'll try the hail mary.


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« Reply #4152 on: July 03, 2018, 07:46:27 PM »
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wow, who do they think they are, the state?

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« Reply #4153 on: July 03, 2018, 07:46:48 PM »
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« Reply #4155 on: July 05, 2018, 07:03:50 PM »
"...however do try to be successful in Nigeria and not too numerous to tempt to cross the Med to France."
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« Reply #4156 on: July 05, 2018, 07:37:22 PM »
And it's stick-a-fork-in-it-o'clock in Germany.

( :-\ in German)
SPD folded nearly immediately as soon as the words "Transit camps" were removed (in Seehofers words: because "you know our coalition partner has problems with the term") and the concept got some vague fluffy language, pig-with-lipstick style. In fact, so little is disclosed/known that it's either the same as before or a relabeling, who knows. Makes no side in all of this look good, but of course everyone is congratulating themselves on their victory.


Meanwhile Germans are hugely annoyed with government (78% are unhappy and think they're not doing their job, +15% from last month). Mutti is still hovering at around 48% approval (-2 points) while Seehofer has crashed to 27% (-16%). Still means that one in four Germans think he's doing a good job. Ugh.
Nonetheless, lowest point on record only matched in July 2015. So there's that.

Also, "technically most" (56%) Germans are sick of the focus on refugees and related themes and would like to see other issues in the highlight, like education policy and care services. Hope springs eternal.
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« Reply #4157 on: July 05, 2018, 07:37:40 PM »
The "start-up nation" rhetoric feels so outdated. Although I guess the Jupiterian presidency doesn't need to follow the fashions of the time.

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« Reply #4158 on: July 06, 2018, 04:29:36 AM »
Shoko Asahara and a bunch of his followers were hanged.

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1015025739362598917

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« Reply #4159 on: July 06, 2018, 05:33:25 AM »
The "start-up nation" rhetoric feels so outdated. Although I guess the Jupiterian presidency doesn't need to follow the fashions of the time.

It's pretty trite but Macron's "freshness" relies on a lot of things (most importantly his youth). There's this "wisdom" you'll sometimes hear by commenters that France has an habit of being late / going counter cyclical, but it seems mostly predicated on just two examples (Mitterrand & Macron).

It's still not yet clear how the French political landscape will re-form. The conservative party head, Wauquiez, sacked his "moderate" vice president and is doubling down on chasing down his right because that's the only space he has left to exist. The left is still a bumbling mess though it may rebound earlier (as I mentioned earlier, the center left is most likely to be dissatisfied sooner by the President). Mélenchon successfully broke the Socialists but failed to transform the try into being the sole legitimate voice and AFAICT his party which is not a party is meeting some of the same growing pains as Macron's movement plus is plagued by a number of negative stories (Mélenchon campaign financing, one militant chosen to oversee the making of the candidate list for the European election going to the press with the story of how party leadership cooked up said list with little regards for the vote of the militants or the objections of appointed observers).

The far right Front National also had a name change (to Rassemblement National) and it's strength is pretty hard to gauge at this point. It's not the only name change at the fringe : Marion Maréchal Le Pen (grand daughter of the historical party head and niece of the current leader) now goes by just Marion Maréchal. She went on a break from politics last year but a lot of noise was made of her new position as the head of a private university with a clear ideological bent to the far right. It's ostensible she is paving her way back into the party to displace her aunt whose credibility is shaken.
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« Reply #4160 on: July 06, 2018, 05:49:59 AM »
In less international news, the car of the mayor of Nantes (France's sixth largest city or so) has been burnt last night. A 22 years old man has been fatally shot by a policeman 3 or 4 days ago. Since then, there's been protests, some peaceful, others less so with "clashes in disfranchised neighbourhoods" as the media usually say. The policeman is now in custody and investigated by internal affairs.
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« Reply #4161 on: July 06, 2018, 06:11:37 AM »
Why is Macron tweeting in English, what do they have on him? :thinking

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« Reply #4162 on: July 06, 2018, 06:16:13 AM »
Is melenchon really responsible for the downfall of the PS when in fact macron seems to have broken it from within?

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« Reply #4163 on: July 06, 2018, 06:31:36 AM »
Is melenchon really responsible for the downfall of the PS when in fact macron seems to have broken it from within?

Obviously. Though a candidate like Hamon, who was trending farther from the center, would have fared much better than taking an historic beating without such a strong challenge on his left. Or if Mélenchon actually did go for an alliance of sorts. He did not do it single handedly but it's fair trade say he gave the final shot.
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« Reply #4164 on: July 06, 2018, 11:49:52 AM »
Is melenchon really responsible for the downfall of the PS when in fact macron seems to have broken it from within?

Obviously. Though a candidate like Hamon, who was trending farther from the center, would have fared much better than taking an historic beating without such a strong challenge on his left. Or if Mélenchon actually did go for an alliance of sorts. He did not do it single handedly but it's fair trade say he gave the final shot.

That's fair. I like Hamon personally but yeah prolly worse than bernie in terms of time, place and context.

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« Reply #4166 on: July 07, 2018, 04:58:47 AM »
So the Together We Will Make History coalition controls the Presidency, the Chamber of Deputies and the Senate in Mexico now. You know what we call that?

Dictatorship.

Canada, US, Mexico, all single-party dictatorships now.

At least Cuba remains a strong people's democratic dictatorship so there's somewhere to flee to.

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« Reply #4167 on: July 07, 2018, 06:11:45 AM »
And on today's international news of:

M A L E  F E M I N I S T S


Trudeau on groping allegations: ‘I apologized in the moment’

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« Reply #4168 on: July 07, 2018, 01:42:19 PM »
Throwback:

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Europe has given new meaning to what it means to be a member. Condoms, the European Committee on Standardisation (CEN) has ruled, must have a minimum length of 170 millimetres (6.8in). The current minimum length requirement in Britain is 160mm.

This does not mean that the average British member is 10mm shorter than its European counterpart. Longer condoms are considered safer for contraceptive reasons and as a barrier against HIV infection.

On matters of width, British manufacturers will be given more latitude than before. Britain previously allowed just two condom widths, 48 mm and 52 mm, but makers will have more flexibility to market narrower or wider versions - as long as they remain within the agreed European range of 44 to 56mm wide.

The harmonised standards for the first Euro-condom have been agreed in Brussels after years of debate. The standard guarantees minimum levels of reliability, strength and durability as well as minimum length and width requirements. No maximum length has been specified.
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« Reply #4169 on: July 07, 2018, 02:16:52 PM »
https://nypost.com/2018/07/07/philippine-president-says-hell-resign-if-anybody-can-prove-god-exists/
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MANILA, Philippines — The Philippine president, who recently sparked outrage for calling God stupid, has courted new controversy in his largely Roman Catholic country by saying he will resign if anybody can prove that God exists.

President Rodrigo Duterte, who has had a thorny relationship with the church, questioned anew in a speech late Friday some of the basic tenets of the Catholic faith, including the concept of original sin, which he said taints even innocent infants and can only be removed through baptism in a church for a fee.

“Where is the logic of God there?” Duterte asked in a speech at the opening of a science and technology event in southern Davao city.

The 73-year-old leader said that if there’s “one single witness” who can prove, perhaps with a picture or a selfie that a human was “able to talk and to see God,” he will immediately resign.

Duterte, however, suggested that there must be a God or a supreme being that prevents billions of stars and celestial bodies from colliding in a frequency that could have long threatened the human race.

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« Reply #4170 on: July 07, 2018, 09:49:08 PM »
And on today's international news of:

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Trudeau on groping allegations: ‘I apologized in the moment’
If we're about to start calling each other out over things that are half a lifetime ago, you boys better get yourselves girded.

Shoko Asahara and a bunch of his followers were hanged.

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1015025739362598917
1995 attack? It's 2018, so he's had 23 years more than some of his victims. Any time a bullshit religion tells you it's time to kill people, it's time to re-think your spiritual choices.


…christ, I'm in full-on Pontificating Dad Mode today.  :-\

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« Reply #4171 on: July 07, 2018, 09:51:51 PM »
It's hard to not give in to your emotions on issues like that, but the Assassin's Creed does not command us to be free. It commands us to be wise. :)

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« Reply #4172 on: July 08, 2018, 02:44:56 AM »
And on today's international news of:

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Trudeau on groping allegations: ‘I apologized in the moment’
If we're about to start calling each other out over things that are half a lifetime ago, you boys better get yourselves girded.


Oh I'm sorry I'm only using

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standards here, afterall it would be a shame to make exceptions. Since they follow the reeeetarded dogma they should face the consequences based on that dogma. And based on that shit there's no forgiveness, no exceptions, no gray areas or else you're painted a rapist and a sexual deviant. If you support an ideology I'd expect you to stay consistent and not be a fucking hypocrite that suddenly becomes logical when it affects you or your ideological allies.

Furthermore since M A L E  F E M I N I S T S support movements like #MeToo that smear and destroy the lives of men based on zero evidence I'm inclined to believe everything that woman said about Trudeau.

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« Reply #4173 on: July 08, 2018, 12:55:24 PM »
brazilian judge orders lula released from prison. another judge says the first doesn't have the authority. lula is leading polls for the election this year, so if he could run he would likely win.

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« Reply #4174 on: July 08, 2018, 06:03:04 PM »
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U.N. view on the European migrant crisis? There isn't one

GENEVA (Reuters) - The European Union is not in the throes of a migration crisis, despite a “toxic narrative” and political spin, U.N. migration experts said on Friday.

Disputes over immigration have divided the European Union, with splits between and within governments about who should take responsibility for migrants crossing the Mediterranean. The issue threatened to bring down German Chancellor Angela Merkel and was a major factor in Britain’s vote to leave the EU.

“We consider it a political crisis, not a migrant crisis. The numbers are not that significant,” said Leonard Doyle, spokesman for the U.N. International Organization for Migration.

“We are concerned that the toxic narrative against migrants, to put it bluntly, be diminished, and people see migration for what it is. It’s a necessary part of the modern world, provided it’s managed. The issue is that people’s perception is that it’s out of control,” he said.

The numbers of people risking the journey across the sea peaked in 2015, but have fallen sharply in each subsequent year. In the first half of 2018, 46,449 migrants and refugees entered Europe by sea, according to the IOM.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-un/u-n-view-on-the-european-migrant-crisis-there-isnt-one-idUSKBN1JW1Z5

it's almost as if the real problem is racism

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« Reply #4175 on: July 08, 2018, 07:12:30 PM »
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U.N. view on the European migrant crisis? There isn't one

GENEVA (Reuters) - The European Union is not in the throes of a migration crisis, despite a “toxic narrative” and political spin, U.N. migration experts said on Friday.

Disputes over immigration have divided the European Union, with splits between and within governments about who should take responsibility for migrants crossing the Mediterranean. The issue threatened to bring down German Chancellor Angela Merkel and was a major factor in Britain’s vote to leave the EU.

“We consider it a political crisis, not a migrant crisis. The numbers are not that significant,” said Leonard Doyle, spokesman for the U.N. International Organization for Migration.

“We are concerned that the toxic narrative against migrants, to put it bluntly, be diminished, and people see migration for what it is. It’s a necessary part of the modern world, provided it’s managed. The issue is that people’s perception is that it’s out of control,” he said.

The numbers of people risking the journey across the sea peaked in 2015, but have fallen sharply in each subsequent year. In the first half of 2018, 46,449 migrants and refugees entered Europe by sea, according to the IOM.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-un/u-n-view-on-the-european-migrant-crisis-there-isnt-one-idUSKBN1JW1Z5

it's almost as if the real problem is racism
The real problem is the problem with everything the EU does. It's called kicking the can down the road until there is no more road.

If Merkel's response to the first crisis wasn't to unilaterally declare: *throws up hands* "Wir Schaffen das!" . Hungary, Italy and others could've been persuaded to come up with a sensible EU-wide policy.
They're pretending that Orban broke ranks but it was in fact Merkel that threw out every sort of migration policy there was and replaced it with an invitation for everyone to come to Germany.
She ignored the problem when it was Greece's. When Golden Dawn literally smashed the camps and beat up the migrants it was all 'LAZY GREEKS' pulling 'TRICKS' to 'EVADE DEBT PAYMENT' according to the MSM.
There was no migrant crisis known to most of the EU, until Syriza came into the picture in Greece and threatened to open 'The flood gates' toward Europe. To which the EU response was to try and persuade Ukraine to build migrant camps and shelter them in exchange for cash.   But that blew up because well, Ukraine blew up.

Also the UN looks at this purely from a 'numbers' point of view. We have daily reports of 'confused' migrants lashing out or going mental on the streets.
Not because they're bad people but because they need psychiatric help to deal with god knows what horrors they've endured. Not to mention most are stuck in Asylum centers for months or even years waiting for the government to decide what to do with them.

There's literally no plan to get any of the migrants healthcare, psychiatric help or even education, housing or jobs.
Housing prices are rising fast. In some cities 25% during the last 12 months. Not much is being built to keep prices high.
With Britain Brexiting our cities are fast filling up with highly educated expats who can afford the high-rents with well paying jobs.

And before someone plays the deportation Nazi card. There's no effort being made to bring the migrants back home. Migrants denied a legal status to stay are informed by a letter that they should go back to their country of origin on their own accord.
At which point they surprisingly decide to stay illegally.

If that's how it is in this country (which is well off and basically an example that other EU states follow in most cases), I can't imagine what a mess it must be in places like Italy.
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« Reply #4176 on: July 09, 2018, 02:14:41 AM »
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U.N. view on the European migrant crisis? There isn't one

GENEVA (Reuters) - The European Union is not in the throes of a migration crisis, despite a “toxic narrative” and political spin, U.N. migration experts said on Friday.

Disputes over immigration have divided the European Union, with splits between and within governments about who should take responsibility for migrants crossing the Mediterranean. The issue threatened to bring down German Chancellor Angela Merkel and was a major factor in Britain’s vote to leave the EU.

“We consider it a political crisis, not a migrant crisis. The numbers are not that significant,” said Leonard Doyle, spokesman for the U.N. International Organization for Migration.

“We are concerned that the toxic narrative against migrants, to put it bluntly, be diminished, and people see migration for what it is. It’s a necessary part of the modern world, provided it’s managed. The issue is that people’s perception is that it’s out of control,” he said.

The numbers of people risking the journey across the sea peaked in 2015, but have fallen sharply in each subsequent year. In the first half of 2018, 46,449 migrants and refugees entered Europe by sea, according to the IOM.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-un/u-n-view-on-the-european-migrant-crisis-there-isnt-one-idUSKBN1JW1Z5

it's almost as if the real problem is racism


You and these elitist pricks are out of touch with reality, you people are the biggest reason the far-right is solidifying its position in Europe.

Sweden, fucking Sweden, has seen a rapid rise of the SD far right party at numbers that could put it first or second in the upcoming elections and it's all because SWEDES ARE RACISTS. No, it couldn't be that mass immigration from some of the most underdeveloped, illiterate and ultra-religious parts of the world to the most developed and educated ones can pose significant threat to the way of life for that continent and significant problems to the society of these nations, it MUST be racism. Yes, keep dismissing the concerns of regular citizens that actually live with these people as blind racism and see what happens next.

Of course the elitist pricks that hide behind gates wouldn't have a problem because they never face the consequences, of course armchair analysts like you would just blame the racists but reality is that the far-right is winning in Europe not because of racism but because of a crisis American wars created and a neoliberal Union many citizens in Europe absolutely despise because of its disconnect with them. So where do they turn? To the only parties that both want out of the EU (for their own nationalistic reasons) and to "deal with the immigration crisis" (with their own fascist tactics). Put in the mix the austerity measures the EU fucks are pushing for and voila, the perfect storm.

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« Reply #4177 on: July 09, 2018, 02:34:26 AM »
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« Reply #4178 on: July 09, 2018, 02:46:54 AM »
lol bourgeois elitist liberals

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« Reply #4179 on: July 09, 2018, 03:00:04 AM »
The height of leftist politics is making sure the uncivilized hordes of the third world stay on the other side of the metaphorical and literal walls surrounding the first world. Because when Marx said "workers of the world, unite" he was referring to workers from those advanced and superior civilizations who DEFINITELY didn't achieve their relatively comfortable standard of living by spending a couple centuries sucking the blood of the rest of the world.

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« Reply #4180 on: July 09, 2018, 03:09:45 AM »
No, it couldn't be that mass immigration from some of the most underdeveloped, illiterate and ultra-religious parts of the world to the most developed and educated ones can pose significant threat to the way of life for that continent and significant problems to the society of these nations, it MUST be racism.

lol bourgeois elitist liberals


Immigrants from Syria, Iraq, and Afhganistan combined make up like 3-4% of the Swedish population. It's hard to see that as posing a "significant threat to the way of life" to native Swedes.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4181 on: July 09, 2018, 03:27:15 AM »

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« Reply #4182 on: July 09, 2018, 03:42:05 AM »
The height of leftist politics is making sure the uncivilized hordes of the third world stay on the other side of the metaphorical and literal walls surrounding the first world. Because when Marx said "workers of the world, unite" he was referring to workers from those advanced and superior civilizations who DEFINITELY didn't achieve their relatively comfortable standard of living by spending a couple centuries sucking the blood of the rest of the world.


The height of leftist politics is being connected to the middle and lower classes and understanding their concerns and problems, not to be an elitist pretentious prick that immediately suggests "let them eat cake" every time they voice their frustration with certain conditions and policies.

 Immigration is fine, mass immigration from far different cultures creates disastrous conflict that usually end in fucked up situations. Furthermore the ultimate goal of immigration is integration. When there's mass immigration of populations with far different cultures that basically take over poor neighborhoods there can never be integration since they create their own culture within these places, they don't even have to learn the language.


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The combined immigrants from Syria, Iraq, and Afhganistan make up like 3-4% of the Swedish population. It's hard to see that as posing a "significant threat to the way of life" to native Swedes.

lol for implying I'm an elitist for mentioning facts. At no point was I hostile towards immigrants in my post, it's this thing you do where to assign characteristics to people for mentioning facts, because apparently facts are now racist, sexist, xenophobic and so on. Immigration just in one year in Sweden was at ~150k iirc, stop using fudged statistics that only fit your agenda. Foreign born population in Sweden was 1.7 million in 2017 in a country of ~10 million, of course not the entire percentage of that is people from third world and war torn countries but the majority is.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4183 on: July 09, 2018, 03:54:58 AM »
Listened to this decent podcast on the current Italian government. It's in French however...

https://soundcloud.com/user-102568040/litalie-44

Basically, and to cover  watch for September when they will have to pass a budget, with the Lega having promised a flat tax and 5 Stars a form of universal revenue for citizens. Immigration and euroskepticism is a convenient topic for some common ground but it cannot last (so far that cabinet didn't even pass a law).

Also some interesting insights on French foreign policy. Everyone agree it always was clumsy, Italy being a third wheel used by France to bait Germany when the Teutons get bored of our Gallic antics. Italians feel deeply humiliated by it (and the many political and economical gaffes) and Macron was very not slick in the way he antagonized the current administration but since then seems to go for a much smarter approach by befriending the Prime Minister (a technocratic chaperon) and making overtures towards 5 Stars. Maybe in hopes of splintering the Cabinet and having an ally in the next European elections. The Democrat Party, which would seem a natural ally, is in total disarray and 5 Stars has been leading elections for some years (with even distribution in both Northern and Southern Italy). The expert guest also provocatively suggested 5 Stars and Macron's own movement shared more than you would expect (at least in terms of dynamics).
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4184 on: July 09, 2018, 03:56:51 AM »
When there's mass immigration of populations with far different cultures that basically take over poor neighborhoods there can never be integration since they create their own culture within these places, they don't even have to learn the language.

How true is this?

My knowledge is pretty US-centric on this, but immigrant populations are pretty consistent in the rate at which they adopt the native language, IIRC. Not all first generation immigrants do well (it's hard as an adult!) but their children are almost uniformly proficient. That's something which has repeated itself several times over our history with groups that people at the time thought were too clannish, isolated, and culturally incompatible (Germans, Italians, Irish), and you had a comparable or higher foreign-born share of the population for over half a century.

I imagine with a mass media culture that it would be harder rather than easier to stay culturally isolated now than in the 19th century.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4185 on: July 09, 2018, 04:12:44 AM »
The height of leftist politics is making sure the uncivilized hordes of the third world stay on the other side of the metaphorical and literal walls surrounding the first world. Because when Marx said "workers of the world, unite" he was referring to workers from those advanced and superior civilizations who DEFINITELY didn't achieve their relatively comfortable standard of living by spending a couple centuries sucking the blood of the rest of the world.


The height of leftist politics is being connected to the middle and lower classes and understanding their concerns and problems, not to be an elitist pretentious prick that immediately suggests "let them eat cake" every time they voice their frustration with certain conditions and policies.

what class do you think refugees are part of you moron

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4186 on: July 09, 2018, 05:50:07 AM »
They're pretending that Orban broke ranks but it was in fact Merkel that threw out every sort of migration policy there was and replaced it with an invitation for everyone to come to Germany.

(If you can bear his accent.)

Sargon makes an appearance in the comments, too.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4187 on: July 09, 2018, 08:43:59 AM »
Eritrea and Ethiopia no longer at war, which is pretty big news.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4188 on: July 09, 2018, 09:46:59 AM »
#thedualities of advocating the mass line while opposing the JDPON.

Opt, if you haven't read Lenin's "Should Revolutionaries Work in Reactionary Trade Unions?" already I think you might find it informative.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4189 on: July 09, 2018, 10:22:42 AM »
The height of leftist politics is making sure the uncivilized hordes of the third world stay on the other side of the metaphorical and literal walls surrounding the first world. Because when Marx said "workers of the world, unite" he was referring to workers from those advanced and superior civilizations who DEFINITELY didn't achieve their relatively comfortable standard of living by spending a couple centuries sucking the blood of the rest of the world.


The height of leftist politics is being connected to the middle and lower classes and understanding their concerns and problems, not to be an elitist pretentious prick that immediately suggests "let them eat cake" every time they voice their frustration with certain conditions and policies.

what class do you think refugees are part of you moron
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4190 on: July 09, 2018, 10:30:48 AM »
Opt, if you haven't read Lenin's "Should Revolutionaries Work in Reactionary Trade Unions?" already I think you might find it informative.
woah, what's with trying to get people to read a neoliberal male feminist? you some kind of elitist?

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4191 on: July 09, 2018, 10:51:17 AM »
Elite was an influential game series, serving as a model for Privateer, Grand Theft Auto, EVE Online, Freelancer, X, and No Man's Sky.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4192 on: July 09, 2018, 01:41:51 PM »
Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving.

Boris Johnson (Foreign Secretary) and David Davis (Brexit Secretary) have resigned today.





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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4193 on: July 09, 2018, 03:00:53 PM »
On top of the Brexit meltdown Donald Trump arrives in the UK in three days. Right in the middle of this mess.

If May's smart she resigns like Cameron did when he figured out he was going to be the fall guy.
Boris is simply 'excusing' himself from the government so he can complain from the sidelines and prepare to take over.
May stepping down and not taking the heat in Brussels and at the NATO summit would throw a wrench in that plan.

It seems like the Tories are going for scorched earth so whatever Labour government comes in next has no hope of fixing anything they broke.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4194 on: July 09, 2018, 03:05:52 PM »
They don't have to call an election until 2022.

They've also actually taken back the polling lead the last few months for the first time since the last election. And May crushes Corbyn larger than she ever has.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4195 on: July 09, 2018, 03:30:53 PM »
Yeah polling also had her win the last GE. And yet here she is, in bed with some ultra-religious cunts from NI.

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« Reply #4196 on: July 09, 2018, 03:37:44 PM »
Still hilarious that the opposition is so utterly unattractive that even a botch job like Brexit cannot push them above roughly half of all available votes.

Gonna be entertaining once BoJo starts to seriously take potshots at May and Co.



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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4197 on: July 09, 2018, 04:30:46 PM »
I mean Corbyn ain't exactly promising to push back on Brexit (or so I believe ?).
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4198 on: July 09, 2018, 04:36:01 PM »
As for the Ethiopa / Eritrea peace accord, I'll just mention that the sporadic war included some actual air battles involving MIG-29s and SU-27s, which is noteworthy because there's not a ton of that anymore between somewhat even air forces and with Soviet jets of that generation.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4199 on: July 09, 2018, 06:29:45 PM »
Jeremy Hunt takes over as foreign secretary. lolololololz

This guy: