It has been 4... 0 days since the last mass shooting official shooting thread

[Great Rumbler]

Getting rid of all the doors is a fine idea...until the school catches on fire and all the kids burn to death because the one entrance was blocked.

[zomgee]

Or the guy shoots up the door and has now eliminated the egress from the place.

Like Sandy Hook.

[Mandark]

Getting rid of all the doors is a fine idea...until the school catches on fire and all the kids burn to death because the one entrance was blocked.

I read somewhere last year that school designs and safety protocols were shifting their emphasis from fire safety to dealing with a shooter, which was fairly depressing.

[Nola]

Or the guy shoots up the door and has now eliminated the egress from the place.

Like Sandy Hook.

So then you just need to put in some perimeter fencing with a singular gated entrance. You also don’t want anyone climbing over or trying to cut through, so maybe line it with barbed wire and install strategic guard towers to monitor any activity.

You probably want some additional deterrence as well so shooters know you mean business, so you need to arm those guards.

[seagrams hotsauce]

So what happens to all this door talk when the next time the kid pulls a We Need To Talk About Kevin?

[team filler]

beak talk>door talk

[Trent Dole]

Everything but firearm access is the problem in these mass deaths involving firearms, right.

[Assimilate]

beak talk>door talk

[Stoney Mason]

Everything but firearm access is the problem in these mass deaths involving firearms, right.

I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas. American motto.

[chronovore]

https://twitter.com/theseantcollins/status/998197114650980352?s=21

[Nola]

That is incredibly depressing on so many levels.

[Nola]

That is incredibly depressing on so many levels.

I guess on the only positive note, that guy's Gofundme has blown past his goal and is still climbing.

[Madrun Badrun]

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/pakistani-girl-who-died-in-texas-shooting-wanted-to-experience-american-culture-5185008/

[I'm a Puppy!]

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/pakistani-girl-who-died-in-texas-shooting-wanted-to-experience-american-culture-5185008/

[benjipwns]

https://www.frc.org/updatearticle/20180521/santa-fe

Now, as the first bodies of those eight students and two teachers are laid to rest, America returns to the question burned on everyone's mind: why? Angry outsiders demand gun control. Others lay the blame at the feet of the NRA. And while the rest of the country debates what our country could have done differently, Texas's top officials try to return the conversation back to the heart of the problem -- the heart. "We have devalued life in this country," Lt. Governor Dan Patrick said plainly. "We threw God out of school... We have families that are broken apart, no fathers at home. We have incredible heinous violence as a [video] game, two hours a day in front of their eyes. And we stand here and we wonder why this happens to certain students."

In Sunday services across Texas, teary parents seemed to have the same response. At Arcadia First Baptist Church, one grandmother's eyes welled up just thinking about her grandson, who was supposed to be in the art room where the shooting started. "We need God back in our schools," she said. For Santa Fe, where students still pray before football games and some teachers still hold lunchtime Bible studies, "thoughts and prayers" aren't throwaway words when heartbreak strikes. They're a way of life. "This is not," Patrick insisted, "about guns. This is about us, as a culture and a nation. Who are we?"

Who we are is a broken country in dire need of the God we keep pushing away. "The world has never been a nice place," Matt Walsh pointed out the Daily Wire, "but it got quite a bit meaner when we abandoned religion. That is no coincidence." It's human nature to want to blame something, but the problem has never been guns. Are there policies we could strengthen? Absolutely. But mankind has had instruments of destruction dating back to Cain and Abel. The real crisis is the moral vacuum left behind when society kicked religion -- and with it, morality -- out of the public space. Violence, relativism, promiscuity, and suicide didn't get their start when God was expelled from school. But they've certainly been given a culture in which to thrive now that we've removed the Judeo-Christian foundation that anchored the country. Walsh warned:

"The nightmare we have lived since the turn of the previous century has been the direct result of the world's rejection of God. We fled from His embrace and what we found out here in the wilderness, in our 'freedom,' is evil and despair on an unimaginable scale. We have become an empty country, an empty generation, an empty world. 'They withdrew from me, went after emptiness, and became empty themselves,' God says through the Prophet Jeremiah. He speaks as much to us as He spoke to the people of Jeremiah's time."

Of course, some liberals don't want to have a discussion about the underlying problem, because it would mean acknowledging the fallen nature of man. That, not stricter gun laws, is what's keeping us from finding real solutions as a nation. We can talk about limiting access to guns, but if we're truly concerned about violence, let's also talk about expanding access to God. Until we're willing to address both -- the instrument and the motivation – nothing will change. A spiritually sick society that embraces violence instead of values needs God.

Maybe a community as deeply sincere about their faith as Santa Fe can help the nation understand that. Looking across the rows of empty school chairs, they know better than anyone -- Guns don't steer men wrong, hearts do.

[Brehvolution]

https://www.frc.org/updatearticle/20180521/santa-fe

Now, as the first bodies of those eight students and two teachers are laid to rest, America returns to the question burned on everyone's mind: why? Angry outsiders demand gun control. Others lay the blame at the feet of the NRA. And while the rest of the country debates what our country could have done differently, Texas's top officials try to return the conversation back to the heart of the problem -- the heart. "We have devalued life in this country," Lt. Governor Dan Patrick said plainly. "We threw God out of school... We have families that are broken apart, no fathers at home. We have incredible heinous violence as a [video] game, two hours a day in front of their eyes. And we stand here and we wonder why this happens to certain students."

In Sunday services across Texas, teary parents seemed to have the same response. At Arcadia First Baptist Church, one grandmother's eyes welled up just thinking about her grandson, who was supposed to be in the art room where the shooting started. "We need God back in our schools," she said. For Santa Fe, where students still pray before football games and some teachers still hold lunchtime Bible studies, "thoughts and prayers" aren't throwaway words when heartbreak strikes. They're a way of life. "This is not," Patrick insisted, "about guns. This is about us, as a culture and a nation. Who are we?"

Who we are is a broken country in dire need of the God we keep pushing away. "The world has never been a nice place," Matt Walsh pointed out the Daily Wire, "but it got quite a bit meaner when we abandoned religion. That is no coincidence." It's human nature to want to blame something, but the problem has never been guns. Are there policies we could strengthen? Absolutely. But mankind has had instruments of destruction dating back to Cain and Abel. The real crisis is the moral vacuum left behind when society kicked religion -- and with it, morality -- out of the public space. Violence, relativism, promiscuity, and suicide didn't get their start when God was expelled from school. But they've certainly been given a culture in which to thrive now that we've removed the Judeo-Christian foundation that anchored the country. Walsh warned:

"The nightmare we have lived since the turn of the previous century has been the direct result of the world's rejection of God. We fled from His embrace and what we found out here in the wilderness, in our 'freedom,' is evil and despair on an unimaginable scale. We have become an empty country, an empty generation, an empty world. 'They withdrew from me, went after emptiness, and became empty themselves,' God says through the Prophet Jeremiah. He speaks as much to us as He spoke to the people of Jeremiah's time."

Of course, some liberals don't want to have a discussion about the underlying problem, because it would mean acknowledging the fallen nature of man. That, not stricter gun laws, is what's keeping us from finding real solutions as a nation. We can talk about limiting access to guns, but if we're truly concerned about violence, let's also talk about expanding access to God. Until we're willing to address both -- the instrument and the motivation – nothing will change. A spiritually sick society that embraces violence instead of values needs God.

Maybe a community as deeply sincere about their faith as Santa Fe can help the nation understand that. Looking across the rows of empty school chairs, they know better than anyone -- Guns don't steer men wrong, hearts do.

What a bunch of bullshit.

[agrajag]

Ah yes, let's go back to the good ol days when the value of human life was held in high regard.

When was that again?

[Brehvolution]

Complains about the lack of god in people.

Supports the deportation of thousands of families.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Complains about the lack of god in people.

Supports the deportation of thousands of families.

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/13/585398237/some-christian-leaders-say-deportations-would-jeopardize-their-churches

[Kara]

There's an old EconTalk podcast (I listen to EconTalk, yes) about why nations fail and the argument presented in the episode is that leaders know what good policies are but they choose not to implement them for other reasons. Without offering an opinion on that thesis, it's hard not to see merit in it when you read "Of course, some liberals don't want to have a discussion about the underlying problem, because it would mean acknowledging the fallen nature of man. That, not stricter gun laws, is what's keeping us from finding real solutions as a nation."

[Nola]

There's an old EconTalk podcast (I listen to EconTalk, yes) about why nations fail and the argument presented in the episode is that leaders know what good policies are but they choose not to implement them for other reasons. Without offering an opinion on that thesis, it's hard not to see merit in it when you read "Of course, some liberals don't want to have a discussion about the underlying problem, because it would mean acknowledging the fallen nature of man. That, not stricter gun laws, is what's keeping us from finding real solutions as a nation."

Tongue in cheek?

Nothing wrong with econtalk, I'll still listen to it occasionally. Just learned to avoid when Russ is just masturbating with other Austrian economists.

That said, I'd need to hear more, but that sounds like a pretty loaded argument lol.

[Kara]

It's not tongue in cheek but I do I think you're misreading me. The fallen nature of man bit is the other reason (my imaginary friend says so) for not implementing known and good policies.

If you want to listen to the episode it's here.

[Mandark]

I know it wasn't how that one guy framed it exactly, but I like the idea of saying it's not practical to ban guns, criminals will always find a way to get them, so we need to aim at a more practical goal, like redeeming the soul of man.

[ToxicAdam]

In the past 24 hours, two different stories of a 2 year old dying because of a firearm. One killed himself and the other was shot by his four year old brother.


We need better mental health care and gun training for all infants.

[Transhuman]

If that 2 year old didn't have a gun, he would have found another way to kill himself. If I could have spoken to that baby I would have told him "don't do it, life gets better" but if the baby was dead-set on suicide I doubt it would've made a difference.

[Joe Molotov]

Don't ban guns, ban idiot babies.

[Brehvolution]

Too many doors in that toddler's house.

[Leadbelly]

I think this is vaguely on topic. I just wanted to share it anyway.

I don't know what brought me to this video exactly, just something I randomly stumbled across on Youtube. Basically a video on air rifles. I didn't realise you can get like 50 Cal air rifles(lol). The crazy thing is they pack a real punch as well. Obviously not quite as powerful as some fire arms, but it would kill someone all the same.

The interesting thing about them is they are completely unregulated. So basically anyone could get one. They're unregulated because they are not classed as a fire arm. It's an air gun. You can have a suppressor on it no probelm. You could have one that is fully automatic. They're as deadly as a real gun yet any new regulation on the sale of fire arms will not affect them.

This guy tests one out. They're fucking insane.

[team filler]

what are prices like? asking for a 2 year old 

[Leadbelly]

How much does a typical piggy bank hold? I would imagine you would have to smash open quite a few of them.

https://www.airgundepot.com/airforce-texan-ss-hawke-scope-combo.html

[zomgee]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-gazette-shooting-20180628-story.html

Newspaper office. Shooting up a newspaper office.

[Human Snorenado]

Thoughts and praye- oh. Fake news peddlers, you say? Carry on then.

[Flannel Boy]

His twitter? https://twitter.com/erichartleyfrnd?lang=en

Apparently it stems from this article: http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/ph-ac-cn-jarrod-ramos-ruling-0923-20150922-story.html

[Tasty]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-gazette-shooting-20180628-story.html

Newspaper office. Shooting up a newspaper office.

RIP. How many of those people went to work thinking the day would be great? Ugh.

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[Mandark]

His twitter? https://twitter.com/erichartleyfrnd?lang=en

Apparently it stems from this article: http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/ph-ac-cn-jarrod-ramos-ruling-0923-20150922-story.html

 

[Joe Molotov]

The 2nd Amendment is there to protect the 1st Amendment, except for sometimes when you need to go shoot up a newspaper office.

[bluemax]

There is an incredibly strong link between men who hate women and mass shooters.

Thoughts and praye- oh. Fake news peddlers, you say? Carry on then.

Apparently a survivor actually managed to say "Fuck your prayers" on CNN. Bless up.

[HardcoreRetro]

"To show people I'm not a criminal, I'm gonna shoot people in the face."

Fission Mailed

[benjipwns]

Apparently it stems from this article: http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/ph-ac-cn-jarrod-ramos-ruling-0923-20150922-story.html

we really need to teach defamation and libel laws in school, every four years or so

we can replace the non-creation science courses with it

[brawndolicious]

The shooter is 38 years old and had a restraining order against him due to harassing a random woman he barely knew in high school. He had also spent over five years threatening the newspaper on social media after they published an article about his case.

People like to always slide the blame onto mentally ill people but how is it that someone with a restraining order can buy a gun?

[benjipwns]

His feud with The Capital, the chain’s daily newspaper, apparently began with a column in 2011 that detailed his alleged harassment of a high school classmate.

After Mr. Ramos reconnected with the classmate in 2009, his emails to her soon turned venomous.

“He seems to think there’s some sort of relationship here that does not exist,” the woman told a judge, according to court documents in a harassment case she brought against Mr. Ramos. “I tried to back away from it, and he just started getting angry and vulgar to the point I had to tell him to stop.”

After she told him not to contact her again, Mr. Ramos wrote in a 2010 email that the woman should “go hang yourself.”

Weeks later, the woman was put on probation at the bank where she worked. A supervisor told her it was because Mr. Ramos had sent an email — and had also called the bank — telling managers that the bank should fire her.

A judge gave Mr. Ramos a 90-day sentence, but suspended the jail time. Instead, Mr. Ramos was granted probation before judgment. He was ordered not to contact the woman and to continue getting therapy.

Mr. Ramos filed a lawsuit against the owners of The Capital in 2012, claiming that it had defamed him in reporting that Mr. Ramos had pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor criminal harassment charge. Months later, he filed a fuller complaint alleging invasion of privacy, but the lawsuit was dismissed by a judge the next year because Mr. Ramos was unable to describe how he had been harmed by the newspaper article.

Mr. Ramos, who represented himself in the case, appealed the decision. But in 2015 an appellate court affirmed the lower court’s dismissal of the lawsuit, stating that Mr. Ramos showed little knowledge of defamation law and seemed not to “have learned his lesson.”

Ramos’s harassment of his online victim apparently continued. Maryland court records show that in October 2014, a restraining order was entered against him ordering him not to have contact with the woman. Ramos pursued appeals of that order until 2016 but did not prevail.

He carried no identification and had damaged his finger tips in an apparent effort to thwart identification by law enforcement, sources said.

[Mandark]

Abusive/threatening behavior towards women seems to be more of a through line for these incidents than any political or religious ideology.

[Brehvolution]

So it wasn't because of Maxine Waters? hannity should be ashamed. I expect a walk back of his comments first thing this morning.

[benjipwns]

So it wasn't because of Maxine Waters? hannity should be ashamed. I expect a walk back of his comments first thing this morning.

no no no see some lieberals somewhere once blamed Sarah Palin so

[ToxicAdam]

Abusive/threatening behavior towards women seems to be more of a through line for these incidents than any political or religious ideology.

Same with murder-suicides. It's almost always a man perpetrating it on a woman and almost always with a gun.

[Assimilate]

oh fuck

this just went down.

[Atramental]

Jesus. You can see the laser on the black guy's chest right before he got shot. 

[Assimilate]

Jesus. You can see the laser on the black guy's chest right before he got shot. 

yup, he's most likely gone. you hear one guy say "what did he shoot me with" and then bang bang bang.

fucking brutal man .

[Mandark]

Matt Pearce tweeted that he heard the shooter was in the competition from one of the competitors but hasn't gotten a confirmation from other people yet.

You should really, really, really wait for a source other than Laura Loomer for anything.

[Atramental]

I don't even know who Laura Loomer is.

edit: *just looked her up* Ah, see. That's why I shouldn't share screen grabs from /pol/. 

[toku]

Guns with laser sights at a video game competition. America is wild. Idk how you can think this is even marginally okay once in awhile.

[Assimilate]

Guns with laser sights at a video game competition. America is wild. Idk how you can think this is even marginally okay once in awhile.

It is wild but so is being stabbed all the time in London. 

[Huff]

Huff marks himself safe

spoiler (click to show/hide)

i don’t live there anymore
people who do this that would never be on the area of the shooting annoy me

[close]

[demi]

Surreal clip, imo. RIP

[zomgee]

Wow I'd rather not ever hear that video again.

[Himu]

Awful news. I definitely considered what it’d be like if a shooter shot up a fighting game event before. It’s actually one of my worst fears. What, with all the bets going on. And the prize money. Not to mention the lax security.

Hopefully they beef up security at tournaments going forward. I’ll gladly sacrifice having my arcade stick and bag checked.

Prayers to the victims and their families.

[Himu]

If it’s true the shooter was in the tournament that makes it even more scary as a competitive player. Salt happens but not that. Yikes.

[agrajag]

not even going to watch it

this.

[Mistress 9]

not even going to watch it

Couldn't help myself and I did. I never can. And I always feel regret. Fucking horrible.

[Assimilate]

There's not much to see other than the poor kid that you can see a laser hit chest. Right then the camera goes back to the game and you hear the shots ring out.

The audio is absolutely horrifying though