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Momo

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I watched an Utrecht FC match on TV 12 years ago

BisMarckie

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I watched an Utrecht FC match on TV 12 years ago

I hope you had some money on it I wouldn't be caught dead watching an Eredivisie game. :yuck :trash

If not then you're the real terrorist here.

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I won’t begrudge others watching if they were Muslim.

One time I watched Brazilians kill a trans woman. They savagely beat her bloody and then dumped her into wheelbarrow to be carried off into an alley where she was murdered. They don’t show the murder but they do show them running full blast while she’s in the wheelbarrow pleading for her life. I warched that to understand the pain people around the world who are lgbt suffer.

So I understand wanting to see the harsh reality of a situation if you’re close to it. It’s also why I watched the Tamir Rice video.

What I don’t understand are people who would go to those violence subreddits or liveleak and willingly look for violent videos of people being murdered. You aren’t close to the situation, it’s not relevant to you.
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What I don’t understand are people who would go to those violence subreddits or liveleak and willingly look for violent videos of people being murdered.

It's not overly complicated. People are drawn to things that are forbidden or taboo.

That's why banning or arresting people who distribute it are wrong-headed. It only makes the content more valuable and salacious to those who are drawn to that type of thing.


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3 people confirmed dead by mayor of Utrecht.

9 wounded of which another 3 are in a bad state.

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I won’t begrudge others watching if they were Muslim.

One time I watched Brazilians kill a trans woman. They savagely beat her bloody and then dumped her into wheelbarrow to be carried off into an alley where she was murdered. They don’t show the murder but they do show them running full blast while she’s in the wheelbarrow pleading for her life. I warched that to understand the pain people around the world who are lgbt suffer.

So I understand wanting to see the harsh reality of a situation if you’re close to it. It’s also why I watched the Tamir Rice video.

What I don’t understand are people who would go to those violence subreddits or liveleak and willingly look for violent videos of people being murdered. You aren’t close to the situation, it’s not relevant to you.

Oh so will telling you I come from a Palestinian-Muslim background make you stop thinking less of me for watching the video?

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People couldn't possibly think any less of you anyways. Don't worry.

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Seems the suspect in the Utrecht shootings has been caught. Hope they got the right guy.

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People couldn't possibly think any less of you anyways. Don't worry.

Just randomly mean to me and I have no idea who you are  :'(

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/gun-owners-in-new-zealand-brace-for-big-changes-to-their-right-to-carry/2019/03/18/6460f8e0-48ec-11e9-8cfc-2c5d0999c21e_story.html?utm_term=.50c4915a5c29

see, this isn't so hard

No mass  shooting in like 30 years

“We need to make it harder for people to obtain guns”

>levels will stay flat because it’s a low crime place
> anti gun activists will consider this a victory despite this being the first mass shooting in NZ in 30 years
> “see? The laws work”
> some nutter does another shooting in 30 years from now, first one since the Christchurch one
> “We need to do something” :brazilcry

Also, the killer said he wanted them to change gun laws. Now they’re doing it despite him saying politically he wants and knows it’s going to happen. Terrorists win. Good job. *claps for the NZ pm*

Never mind the act of making policy right after a horrifying, traumatic event. See: Going to war after 9/11. It’s almost like reactionary policy doesn’t work.

Thankfully, I’m an American. :american it’s almost like people that don’t like guns find them déclassé and won’t stop until they are completely out of “polite” society. Except if you’re rich, and can afford security guards. Or the government, and can own the police. This is why you never give up an inch. They’ll always want to take more.

Oh, but,”humanity is facing a crisis with climate change. It will completely alter the Earth’s resources.” Thankfully we have the government and the rich to protect us. :american
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Not sure what was wrong with NZ gun laws, I dont know the place. Did this jackass get guns legally?
« Last Edit: March 18, 2019, 02:22:30 PM by Momo »

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Did this jackass get guns legally?

Looks that way.
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Momo

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand

sounds like they hand them out easier than maga hats

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I was actually supposed to go to Utrecht today and then the news rolled in so we cancelled the plans.
Last week we had to cancel because I had the flu. So maybe this meeting is cursed.  :doge

Anyway, the motive is not clear at this time. They arrested a suspect with a Turkish background.
In 2011 he went viral on the internet for telling a Playmate reporter "Her ass was half open" and "She was a democrat, not Sharia".
The police seems pretty certain that this is their guy.

The motive could be terror related but it might also have something to do with relationsip struggles or a revenge killing to clear his family 'honor'.
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Momo

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I'm okay with calling honor killing terrorism as it terrorizes an entire gender caught in a sharia community.

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I'm okay with calling honor killing terrorism as it terrorizes an entire gender caught in a sharia community.
That's pretty much our PM's take on it as well because 3 people are dead and 3 more are in critical condition.

Anyway we have senate elections in 2 days so the timing of this for our government is pretty bad.
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Nvm next paged

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the state that gave us mike pence just keeps on giving  :stahp
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Tarrant (PDP killer) apparently got upset with his appointed attorney so he dismissed him and is going to represent himself. Just like the monster Tim Heidecker.

Legal experts are likely wondering if he will he raise the Chinese Connection* issue.

*Not to be confused with Epic Games Store's new queue system.

Momo

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He's going to meme the court

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He's going to meme the court

I don't know what NZ law says on the matter of audiovisual reporting in the court room but by all means let him bury himself.
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agrajag

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I read about one, she had depression due to survivor's guilt. Just reading about the other one now. This is incredibly sad.

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These poor fucking kids, man.  Awful shit.

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poor guy.

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I'd like to see Alex Jones defenestrated over this.

Momo

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Alex Jones isnt a Sandy Hook denier (according to him). He talked about it at length on the JRE. His claim is media organizations keep tying his name to Sandy Hook to get clicks when he wants nothing to do with it.

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Alex Jones isnt a Sandy Hook denier (according to him). He talked about it at length on the JRE. His claim is media organizations keep tying his name to Sandy Hook to get clicks when he wants nothing to do with it.

well I'm convinced

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Alex Jones isnt a Sandy Hook denier (according to him). He talked about it at length on the JRE. His claim is media organizations keep tying his name to Sandy Hook to get clicks when he wants nothing to do with it.

Why the fuck would you take Alex Jones at his word?

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/670/beware-the-jabberwock

At 3:33 "Sandy Hook is a synthetic, completely fake, with actors, in my view, manufactured. I couldn't believe it at first. I knew they had actors there, clearly. But I thought they killed some real kids. And it just shows how bold they are, that they clearly used actors."

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ok but https://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/sep/01/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-correct-austins-alex-jones-said-no/
He recanted all the stuff he said afterwards and apologized apparently, he deserves all the criticism in the world and im not defending what he said, just mentioning he has a years old updated take.

Alex Jones isnt a Sandy Hook denier (according to him). He talked about it at length on the JRE. His claim is media organizations keep tying his name to Sandy Hook to get clicks when he wants nothing to do with it.

well I'm convinced
Not trying to convince anyone.

Alex Jones isnt a Sandy Hook denier (according to him). He talked about it at length on the JRE. His claim is media organizations keep tying his name to Sandy Hook to get clicks when he wants nothing to do with it.

Why the fuck would you take Alex Jones at his word?

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/670/beware-the-jabberwock

At 3:33 "Sandy Hook is a synthetic, completely fake, with actors, in my view, manufactured. I couldn't believe it at first. I knew they had actors there, clearly. But I thought they killed some real kids. And it just shows how bold they are, that they clearly used actors."
Why do you think I believe anything he says lmao, I listen to him cause he's a moron I can laugh at when I'm bored. I'll lay it out clearer, Alex Jones did try his usual bullshit with Sandy Hook, caught a bunch of shit and came off that galaxy brained dumbassery after he realized he wouldn't be able to slide his way out of this one. He's since come out and apologized and emphatically stated he doesn't believe any of these Sandy Hook conspiracies, his issue is that the media still keeps throwing his name in when Sandy Hook is mentioned and as much of a galaxy brain as he is, I agree it's disgusting that they keep doing this because they know his name added get's more clicks.

To be even more clear, not defending Jones, I'm criticizing the media for continuing to try to generate maximum clicks from this. 

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okay so you're not defending him you just agree with what he says

which is that other people, not alex jones, should feel bad about exploiting sandy hook for traffic

Momo

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Why do you have to be this way, you can clearly read what I wrote  :doge

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He's since come out and apologized and emphatically stated he doesn't believe any of these Sandy Hook conspiracies

also this seems like a wildly generous description of his behavior

iirc when he first pulled back on it (under threat of lawsuit or after a suit had been filed) he said the parents were being manipulated and invited them on his fucking show

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Why do you have to be this way, you can clearly read what I wrote  :doge

yes dude look at the part where you wrote "I agree"

Momo

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Why do you have to be this way, you can clearly read what I wrote  :doge

yes dude look at the part where you wrote "I agree"
Did you read 'he deserves all the criticism in the world and im not defending what he said'

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Let me illustrate my complaint via example -

A) Headlines I have no issue with - 'Sandy Hook denier Alex Jones goes on JRE to talk about Sandy Hook'
b) I have issue with - 'Victim of Sandy Hook's father dies, lets add Alex Jones into the headline, because'

A is about Alex and he deserves his flak. B should be a respectful report about the person in question, instead you throw in Jones' cause getting them clicks is your primary driver.

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all due respect but you can't be this fucking dumb

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notice that I prefaced that post with "all due respect" so nothing that follows could be insulting

Momo

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He's since come out and apologized and emphatically stated he doesn't believe any of these Sandy Hook conspiracies

also this seems like a wildly generous description of his behavior

iirc when he first pulled back on it (under threat of lawsuit or after a suit had been filed) he said the parents were being manipulated and invited them on his fucking show
yeah i dont believe he stopped the Sandy Hook stuff cause of morals or whatever, I think he just stopped cause he couldnt take the heat.

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all due respect but you can't be this fucking dumb
You're a galaxy brain without any actual arguments and i'm going to stop wasting my time reading your posts, pm me if you want to continue this conversation like an adult.

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yes you see how the rest of my post clearly contradicted my preface, and pointing to it was disingenuous?

do you understand how that's a thing?

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Okay here's the case against Alex Jones

1) He was absolutely a Sandy truther and given his reach at the time was probably had a bigger audience than any other Sandy truther.

2) Similar to the shit with Comet Pizza, he didn't back off until it was clear there were going to be legal consequences. Even when he did back off, he tried to use that as an opportunity to drive more publicity and traffic towards his show by inviting them on. It was in no way an "apology" and he was still critical of the grieving parents.

3) Just in general he's an enormous attention whore. I think we can all agree on this. Given the degree to which he's motivated by "clicks" and media coverage in general, and the way he has used Sandy Hook in particular, it's just beyond hypocritical for him to cry when mainstream media outlets give him negative coverage.

4) Is it even fucking true that the media throws him into Sandy Hook stories where he's not relevant to get clicks? I'm gonna say no. Did a Google News search for the suicide victim's name and Jones turned up in one story: a Hartford Courant update on the lawsuit against Jones (where he failed to turn over evidence in a timely manner) which only mentions the man because he was one of the plaintiffs.

5) If we're going to say "oh no what about the parents" then I think it's fair to point out that several Sandy Hook parents have an active legal case against Alex Jones and they do not against mainstream media outlets. Unless you present me with something that indicates otherwise, I'm going to say the parents themselves feel that Jones "exploited" the situation much worse than the news media generally.



Given all this, when chronovore says he's angry at Alex Jones in the wake of one of the bereaved parents committing suicide, I think that's a fairly reasonable mental association.

Your response was to say that Alex Jones said he wasn't associated with Sandy Hook trutherism and complained that it was driven by a click-chasing news media. You completely left out that Jones was an explicitly Sandy Hook truther, that he only backed off cause of a lawsuit, that the media wasn't throwing him into unrelated headlines for clicks, or just generally that he was full of shit. You followed up by saying okay he's a jerk but you agree with this one particular criticism, except even that criticism is just a huge straw man. Then you're all baffledpikachu.jpg as to how anyone could possibly interpret this as even a partial defense of Jones. Dude! Come on!


Headlines from major news outlets
The father of a Sandy Hook victim dies from an apparent suicide - CNN

Jeremy Richman, father of Sandy Hook shooting victim Avielle Richman, found dead in suspected suicide - MSNBC

Father of Sandy Hook victim dies in apparent suicide - CBS News

Sandy Hook Victim’s Father Dies in Apparent Suicide in Newtown - New York Times

Father of Sandy Hook shooting victim found dead in apparent suicide, police say - Washington Post

Father Of Sandy Hook Victim Dies By Apparent Suicide At Newtown Community Center - Huffington Post

Father of Sandy Hook victim has killed himself, police say - Associated Press as carried by the Guardian
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« Last Edit: March 26, 2019, 06:33:05 AM by Mandark »

Momo

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I typed out a thing but decided against posting it. I pmed it to you. I don't have much desire to debate this further but I thought I'd give you my last thoughts.

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There's no false-flag conspiracy that Alex Jones doesn't like. He only pulled back on Sandy Hook [and pizzagate] once actual consequences started to crop up.
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As someone that listened to that This American Life piece over the weekend, hearing Alex Jones apologetics and blame shifting is pretty fucking enraging

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stan for Alex Jones brehs.

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Coward momo at it again

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Any inconvenience Alex Jones receives for being associated with Sandy Hook trutherism is his own fault, and far less than he actually deserves
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I'd like to see Alex Jones decapitated over this.
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conspiracy guy pushed a conspiracy  :shaking
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Boy, deplatforming sure works. Never hear anything about Alex Jones anymore. Great job.



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wow, didn't even realize he was 34 already because it had been seventeen years



kinda surprised four of the justices actually want to hear his case

wonder if they ever found that white van that was behind all the shootings

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CNN: Alex Jones says 'form of psychosis' made him believe events like Sandy Hook massacre were staged

That's true.
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