VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[Optimus]

How weird that a 26 year old who has been given millions upon millions of dollars since she was about 20 and worshiped around the world wouldn't think much of some rocks she scratched her ass on while drunk on a talk show.


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226293471&postcount=97


J-Law has an aura of blinding white, ready to make minorities relive the death of their sacred grounds over and over and over again

Holy shit, WTF am I reading?

[thisismyusername]

Jay is probably completely oblivious about how many gay men want pork him. 

At least 20% of the comments on any vid with him are basically that. He's gotta be somewhat aware.

Exactly. Plus it's a running in-joke about him being "gay" IIRC. They lean into that pretty hard (pause).

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I'd fight a million men just to fly to Milwaukee and have a date with him.

Only downside to him is his immense love of Horror Films. I don't mind them, but he's really into them.

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[Optimus]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226313581&postcount=164

THAT's what Uncharted 4 looks like in gameplay?

 

Looks pretty. What's bad about it?

Everything in the distance just look flat and almost n64 quality.  I find Gears 4 had a lot of those moments too.

Dude. No. It's the most beautiful game I've played, the backrounds in-game look amazing. If only most of it wasn't so fucking boring...

[WanderingWind]

fuck him in the back pussy

[nudemacusers]

jay? that's who gets your engines running?

[Optimus]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226252221&postcount=41

"No, no! Don't censor violence, censor sex instead!"

Truly the new moral majority. They're exactly the same as the "think of the children!" religious idiots, but now they're screaming "think of the women!"

I agree with everything you said except the majority part. In fact I would argue that their kind is hated by the vast majority of the country. The only reason they're so vocal is because they have on their side rich pampered liberals who control corporate media and consciously or not are trying to shift public discourse exclusively to identity politics while ignoring the war their class is waging on the rest of the country.

[Vertigo]

jay? that's who gets your engines running?

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His semi dorky and has a nice beard that's enough for some.

[thisismyusername]

jay? that's who gets your engines running?

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His semi dorky and has a nice beard that's enough for some.

That. Plus I mean look at the rest of them, he's the best lookin' of the bunch.

[clothedmacuser]

Thread: The Rust Belt has been turning red for a while.

White people gonna white

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=226333518#post226333518

Sage.  Thank god evilore promised to do away with this sort of thing.

[Tasty]

Jay is probably completely oblivious about how many gay men want pork him. 

At least 20% of the comments on any vid with him are basically that. He's gotta be somewhat aware.

Exactly. Plus it's a running in-joke about him being "gay" IIRC. They lean into that pretty hard (pause).

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I'd fight a million men just to fly to Milwaukee and have a date with him.

Only downside to him is his immense love of Horror Films. I don't mind them, but he's really into them.

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So what you're saying is I and Jay should date.

You guys can date while I satisfy his sexual needs.

Which one of us three has actually made a bunch of terrible no-budget horror films? This guy.

[thisismyusername]

jay? that's who gets your engines running?

(Image removed from quote.)

I mean if we're being realistic, he's probably the bestest shot some of us have. Not all of us can bag a George Clooney.

[nudemacusers]

i believe in u bb 

[thisismyusername]

Lettuce be honest, he wouldn't watch either of you twos movies.

[El Babua]

I might post a short vid I was in like 9 years ago if I ever decide not to post ever again. 

[benjipwns]

thread suddenly becomes safespace hugbox for those sexually attracted to alt-right gamergators

not a good look, not a good look at all

[Tasty]

Lettuce be honest, he wouldn't watch either of you twos movies.

I really wish I was rich enough to bribe them to do a sponsored Half in the Bag about one of my shitty projects, haha.

I know dude, nobody has seen the shit I worked on and I'm thankful.

PM asap plz.

[Let's Cyber]

I made a bunch of short movies when I was 12 or 13.  Most of the "actors" were lego guys or action figures and I was the VO for every single character.   

The vids were hidden in between old family home videos of Disney World. My sister, feeling nostalgic, went back through our old tapes hoping to see some old family vacation footage and was like "WTF is this shit?!?"

[benjipwns]

I made a bunch of short movies when I was 12 or 13.

mods help

[VomKriege]

Thread : It just hit me how much Facebook/Reddit/Twitter fucked up everything

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1323820

Get out your bingo cards !

MGS2 warned us 15 years ago.

Not every opinion deserves to be heard.

These sites should be moderated like NeoGAF.

The news used to be moderated, you used to HAVE to print fact checked articles and editorials because if you didn't people would just go to someone that did. The Enquirer was a joke.

Now shit like The Enquirer is "mainstream media" and taken SERIOUSLY.

Oh you sweet summer child. Wasn't the National Enquirer part of the whole Clinton's affairs thing 20 years ago ?

EDIT :

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226344771&postcount=13698

So with Trump as President and Russia pulling his strings, what does Russia get out of this? Slow encroach on ukraine to take back land? Able to do a lot of shit without the world saying anything because they are tight with the US? What does Putin get out of this? Because as I am looking at it, there are four sociopaths ruling right now, and 3 have nukes.

Here's something else I don't get: Putin acknowledges the dangers of climate change, and Russia is in on the Paris Agreement. Meanwhile, Trump vehemently denies climate change and wants to back out of the Paris Agreement. Unless they're absolutely confident they can sway Trump on the issue somehow, I don't understand how Russia can be comfortable with him in power.

*Weep on how gullible people are to disseminate bad or false information*
*Engage in baseless speculation on issues you barely understand*

[daemon]

*Weep on how gullible people are to disseminate bad or flase information*
*Engage in baseless speculation on issues you barely understand*

the mental gymnastics they have to do to make any point as of now is incrible. I was just reading the massive triggering of a thread when Trump said they used to call it man of the year, but now it's person of the year because it's PC. The amount of toxicity levels when they reply is sky-high lol.

and he just said something that isn't even that relevant or important lol.

[PigSpeakers]

I made a bunch of short movies when I was 12 or 13.  Most of the "actors" were lego guys or action figures and I was the VO for every single character.   :doge

The vids were hidden in between old family home videos of Disney World. My sister, feeling nostalgic, went back through our old tapes hoping to see some old family vacation footage and was like "WTF is this shit?!?"

I made my own lego movies when I was a young teenager too. I had a show about a loose-cannon cop named McMannis who mostly shot everyone without any questions asked. Including his partner and the chief of police. They would all be fine in the next episode.

I didn't have a lot of friends and didn't get invited to hang out over the Summer.

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226243266&postcount=50

a barrage of calls from parents desperate to separate their children from video games, consoles, computers and smartphones

Step 1: Take the electronics away from your kid.
Step 2: You're done.

Parenting, so easy.

[benjipwns]

Thread : It just hit me how much Facebook/Reddit/Twitter fucked up everything

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1323820

Get out your bingo cards !

The ideal dream of the internet as a space of open ideas and free communication without curation or moderation, a "marketplace of ideas" in which people browse information like they're researching at a library to come to informed conclusions, has not only revealed itself to not actually work in the slightest but to in fact provide a bed for toxic and destructive patterns of information interaction that are increasingly harming our societies

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226340573&postcount=61

There is a reason this is the only place I seriously post about fucking anything. The moderation staff here isn't perfect, but they're fucking great at dropping the hammer on bullshit

The loss of bish will hurt though to that end...

[benjipwns]

Yep,

GAf's atmosphere during GG was what drew me here, I was looking for a rational place to talk, and The Escapist went fucking batshit, and I had heard of GAF, and so I registered here and read those threads until I got approved and the rest is history.

god fucking dammit gamergate you've finally gone too far

[benjipwns]

As much as we talk about how great Steam is, its doesn't give a shit about moderating content in their reviews and forums. It's probably only a matter of time before there's adult content on Steam in one form or another.

I can tell who doesn't visit the Steam store very often...or at least The Bore's Steam thread.

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226347089&postcount=153

Years ago, I postulated that the 'technological singularity', that so many wrongly think is just AI's getting out of control, had infact already occurred with the invention of the Internet.

A technology so alien to what existed before hand, so far reaching and impactful on our lives in ways we had no way of seeing the consequences of, that it would totally change the way both the world and humans as individuals would think and act.

I'm pretty much certain of that now, and it's terrifying just how much power and influence our ability to instantly communicate in ever more direct and base manners, without any need for individual consequence, compromise or self reflection, has turned so many into ever more extreme borderline parodies of what people used to be, all hatefully infantilised against anyone different.

From outrage culture to the alt right, hyper PC or super racists, it separates and categorises people into ever more one dimensional caricatures of themselves, until we're seeing cartoon supervillians like Trump elected President of the United States, and thousands involved in a bizarre case of international outrage and death threats over a chef adding chorizos to a risotto.

Humanities greatest strengths are our abilities to communicate, to work together to achieve a goal, and to adapt to almost any environment, and the Internet and the social media it spawned has corrupted every single one of those strengths and forced us all into echo chambers that create feedback loops of hate, fear and stupidity.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

You need only look at how much the Internet and social media has been able to fan the flames of groups like ISIS, international crime, paedophile rings, cyber terrorism and a thousand other acts of pretty much pure evil, to see how much the communication technology we all have, that most carry around in their pockets, isolated from the rest of the world and the horrors of compromise and personal growth, even when surrounded by their families and communities, to see how utterly fucked up we've become.

It's far too late to do anything about it though. We're already past the technological event horizon, and it's only going to have more intense and damaging consequences from here on out.

[benjipwns]

dammit vomkriege, you made me look at PoliGAF, the entire last two pages are talking about this coup is the obvious outcome of eight years of an unchecked constitutional crisis and how the government is no longer legitimate because everyone in Washington agreed to allow RUSSIAN HACKERS to decide the outcome instead of doing anything

This entire year has left me feeling like the world is teetering on the edge of madness. I wonder how far America has to fall to end up in a reality like this.

It's too fucking late.

I'm sorry, and I respect President Obama, but if this is true, and the CIA had proof that Russia was hacking our election, that's pretty close to unforgivable.

There's believing in the American people, there's not wanting to interfere with an election, there's maintaining your integrity...and then there's this. There's letting a foreign enemy fiddle with our election, poison our democracy, and deligitimize longstanding pillars of our government.

This will be a blight on Obama's legacy. And you know what? It deserves to be.

When history looks back at the time fascism took over America, for all his good, Obama will be known as the President who sat back and watched.

So many unforgivable things have happened, but if we as a people do nothing in response it won't matter. Protests + riots for weeks and months. Only option left. If we as a country care about this, we have to make ourselves heard.

I was politically active before Obama became president, and I will continue to be after.

But Obama does not escape this. He let this happen. He should be ashamed.

Perception that the United States government was actively attempting to interfere in the election on Hillary Clinton's behalf would be very, very bad. He couldn't interfere, folks. Obama made the right decision.

He made the wrong choice. Fuck perception. Our President should have done the RIGHT thing, because the optics of Obama protecting his people would not have been nearly as bad as what's about to come.

There's already no going back.

This whole theory really just assumes that Trump will be a normal bad Republican president. But there is no particular reason to assume that. Obama even said specifically that he didn't believe that, as did our entire political class. Trump is a fascist and a white nationalist. Allowing WWIII to start or atrocities to happen because you're worried about constitutional legitimacy would be a sad joke.

We can demand whatever we want. Impeachment, resignation, whatever. If the protests are big enough and severe enough the government will have to do something. In Ukraine they basically took it back by force.

If we want to delegitimize the Trump administration we need to stop saying half of america voted for him. He won 46.2% of the votes, but that's still only 28% of the eligible voting population.

This fucker better leave office in the same place Hitler's in now.

they're turning into infowars/zerohedge

errr sry for sextuple* post, was usin my tablet

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[VomKriege]

If we want to delegitimize the Trump administration we need to stop saying half of america voted for him. He won 46.2% of the votes, but that's still only 28% of the eligible voting population.

I always found this argument a telltale sign of bad faith because it's only brought up when convenient and it's pretty meaningless, really, unless you argue for mandatory voting.

[benjipwns]

hey buddy some of us use it to undermine the "mandate" of winner take all democracy at all times!

[thisismyusername]

thread suddenly becomes safespace hugbox for those sexually attracted to alt-right gamergators

not a good look, not a good look at all

[zepblackstar]

so Russia influenced the election for at least a year

and the CIA is just concluding this finally now?


Our hackers/intelligence unit sucks
 

[Optimus]

so Russia influenced the election for at least a year

and the CIA is just concluding this finally now?


Our hackers/intelligence unit sucks
 

Wanna bet they'll reach different conclusions when Trump is in office and appoints his own people? The truth is always relative in the American government.

[Dennis]

Make the CIA great again.

[El Babua]

They were more effective when they were a rouge independent agency. 

[benjipwns]

talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations

[daemon]

so Russia influenced the election for at least a year

and the CIA is just concluding this finally now?


Our hackers/intelligence unit sucks
 

Influenced it as much as the content allowed them to.

Like:

We need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region,

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/contributors?category=%2410%2C000%2C001+to+%2425%2C000%2C000


This is, among other things, what influenced the election. Sure, Russia did influence, but it was the content that really influenced the minds of people.



And then you see people making a bigger point of a fuckwit like David Duke endorsing Trump than another candidate's foundation taking millions of dollars from a regime that:

1. goes against every liberty of women and LGBTQ
2. you acknowledge that is supporting IS financially



Also the CIA could also conclude that the media scaremongering around Trump could've costed him the election. Or you really do believe that there wasn't a case of biased media? lol.

[zepblackstar]

They were more effective when they were a rouge independent agency. 

CIA used to put the fear in people, now ...

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226352247&postcount=868

Number of softly and ardently pro Russian stans on gaf is genuinely disturbing. The lack political and literal literacy on display in some of this thread is scarier than the deliberate trolls.
It's an infestation that has exploded since the election and I hope the mods are sensing it and paying attention.

I think gaf mods need to start their own "Un-American Activities Committee."

https://youtu.be/U01xasUtlvw?t=2m20s

[thisismyusername]

Our hackers/intelligence unit sucks
 

Old news. That's been known for years. They've been struggling to find people to secure the government servers, for instance.

[VomKriege]

It's no doubt true but CIA will be looking for a tasty budget from Trump's team. Bet Trump and co are in contact already being all sweet.

What does the NSA actually do, they must know bloody everything that is going on and have piles of info on what the Russians are doing, also they probably know every bad thing Trump and friends have ever done. Tin foil hat. will the NSA be the stick to knock Trump down a few notches. I see your Bateman son killed someone to follow in the footsteps of his serial killer father. Just remember we know so do this.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226353609&postcount=883

[zomgee]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226347089&postcount=153

Years ago, I postulated that the 'technological singularity', that so many wrongly think is just AI's getting out of control, had infact already occurred with the invention of the Internet.

A technology so alien to what existed before hand, so far reaching and impactful on our lives in ways we had no way of seeing the consequences of, that it would totally change the way both the world and humans as individuals would think and act.

I'm pretty much certain of that now, and it's terrifying just how much power and influence our ability to instantly communicate in ever more direct and base manners, without any need for individual consequence, compromise or self reflection, has turned so many into ever more extreme borderline parodies of what people used to be, all hatefully infantilised against anyone different.

From outrage culture to the alt right, hyper PC or super racists, it separates and categorises people into ever more one dimensional caricatures of themselves, until we're seeing cartoon supervillians like Trump elected President of the United States, and thousands involved in a bizarre case of international outrage and death threats over a chef adding chorizos to a risotto.

Humanities greatest strengths are our abilities to communicate, to work together to achieve a goal, and to adapt to almost any environment, and the Internet and the social media it spawned has corrupted every single one of those strengths and forced us all into echo chambers that create feedback loops of hate, fear and stupidity.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

You need only look at how much the Internet and social media has been able to fan the flames of groups like ISIS, international crime, paedophile rings, cyber terrorism and a thousand other acts of pretty much pure evil, to see how much the communication technology we all have, that most carry around in their pockets, isolated from the rest of the world and the horrors of compromise and personal growth, even when surrounded by their families and communities, to see how utterly fucked up we've become.

It's far too late to do anything about it though. We're already past the technological event horizon, and it's only going to have more intense and damaging consequences from here on out.

Did not know that Bruce Sterling was a Gaffer.

Huh.

[zepblackstar]

and if this doesn't earn a secret service visit for Amirox

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226340347&postcount

[thisismyusername]

Jay the sex icon

He's gotten better with age, let's be honest.

and if this doesn't earn a secret service visit for Amirox

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226340347&postcount

Only if someone reports it. AFAIK they don't have their "scraper" up anymore?

[zomgee]

and if this doesn't earn a secret service visit for Amirox

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226340347&postcount

Only if someone reports it. AFAIK they don't have their "scraper" up anymore?

good moderation

[VomKriege]

wsippel is posting here, so he'll defend himself but really, skimming through the thread... he's not exactly wrong ? The only thing I'd object to -but I'm no specialist so please correct me- is that "fascism" as a term is a creation of Russia though Soviets purposefully broadened the use of the term especially post-WW2 as a label to smear every external opponents, maybe that's what he refers to. In the historically correct (or narrow) sense of the italian fascism and similar contemporary movements, I'm not sure Trump really qualify as a "quasi fascist" either, and the narrow definition is the one I would favor because otherwise it just make it interchangeable with "authoritarian regime" and you lose view of some of the key specificities of what ultimately led to WW2.

For his audacity of putting quotes around "fascist", he then get dogpiled by people opposing him with a definition from a common dictionary when he sourced his claim in a book by what seem to be a fairly respected historian specialized in the history of european fascism, then get called a fascist alt-righter for it.

Not to endorse his opinions or anything, but I find it a textbook example of why you can't seem to have a level-headed discussion on GAF.

[etiolate]

All I have to say is that Antifa is freaking crazy

[VomKriege]

Also the anti-Russian sentiment on GAF (and elsewhere) is starting to border on hysteria even coming from the position that Russia is a rival to the western liberalism order currently taking aggresive steps to push back against the US and the EU. It's one thing to say that they interfered with the election by hacking several instances of the Democratic party or notorious opponents like McCain and Graham (That seem to be a wildly held consensus by US intelligence agencies and security experts. Russia has been suspected of similar efforts in the past.), but some in that CIA thread apparently believe that Trump victory is attributed wholesale to it. It's maybe overestimating the impact of the interference or misconstruing the extent of the cyberattack as if Russians stuffed the electronic ballot boxes or something. The latter is a dangerous belief to have without evidence, because it will push people to possibly overreact and ask for escalation in a matter that could devolve into a shooting war.

EDIT : I mean, beyond the ones already believing Trump is a literal Komintern agent, you have people calling Obama a coward and a national security risk when we have no idea of the exact scale of the hacks and how good evidence actually is. Before being presented with a solid case, Gaffers would be maybe wise to refrain a bit on the hyperbole.

[wsippel]

wsippel is posting here, so he'll defend himself but really, skimming through the thread... he's not exactly wrong ? The only thing I'd object to -but I'm no specialist so please correct me- is that "fascism" as a term is a creation of Russia though Soviets purposefully broadened the use of the term especially post-WW2 as a label to smear every external opponents, maybe that's what he refers to. In the historically correct (or narrow) sense of the italian fascism and similar contemporary movements, I'm not sure Trump really qualify as a "quasi fascist" either, and the narrow definition is the one I would favor because otherwise it just make it interchangeable with "authoritarian regime" and you lose view of some of the key specificities of what ultimately led to WW2.

For his audacity of putting quotes around "fascist", he then get dogpiled by people opposing him with a definition from a common dictionary when he sourced his claim in a book by what seem to be a fairly respected historian specialized in the history of european fascism, then get called a fascist alt-righter for it.

Not to endorse his opinions or anything, but I find it a textbook example of why you can't seem to have a level-headed discussion on GAF.

Thanks mate, that's exactly what I meant.

Well, I ultimately got perma'd in the thread for trying to explain that Nazis were also more complicated than they appear in Indiana Jones, but that should have been an obvious outcome I guess. In fact, I'm almost surprised it took that long. Though for some reason, GAF understood my statement as a defense, when in reality, I wanted to point out how inconsistant and bigoted they were.

[VomKriege]

I'd say that the phrasing you used for the Nazi arguments wasn't the clearest, I had to read it a couple of times. I can see how people primed to see you as an apologist would take it the wrong way.

[wsippel]

I'd say that the phrasing you used for the Nazi arguments wasn't the clearest, I had to read it a couple of times. I can see how people primed to see you as an apologist would take it the wrong way.

Yeah, I guess that one was on me. But as I pointed out in my edit above, I never intended to defend them, just wanted to point out how inconsistent and opportunistic they were, and ultimately how that inconsistent behavior makes the term "Nazi" kinda meaningless. Because, since Nazis were evidently not socialists, the term itself has no literal meaning to begin with, which leaves us with an implied meaning. And to understand the implied meaning, you have to look at their behavior. And that behavior made no fucking sense.

[Syph]

Thread : It just hit me how much Facebook/Reddit/Twitter fucked up everything

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1323820

Get out your bingo cards !

The ideal dream of the internet as a space of open ideas and free communication without curation or moderation, a "marketplace of ideas" in which people browse information like they're researching at a library to come to informed conclusions, has not only revealed itself to not actually work in the slightest but to in fact provide a bed for toxic and destructive patterns of information interaction that are increasingly harming our societies

just wait till they go outside!

[Rufus]

Arguing definitions is rarely productive, unless that's the point of the discussion. (Even if...) They clearly used the term fascism in it's popular definition, as it (and why it) appears in the dictionary. Going "well, actually" at that point is obviously going to cause some upheaval.

The ironic thing is that they've helped him 'disrupt' the discussion. But then that always happens...

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Also, stumbling your way into a heated argument because you couldn't help but be a smartass about something is sooo German.

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[VomKriege]

I was speaking regardless of dumb Trump comparisons

I don't think you can really take the comparison out of it because the argument flared up on that basis, as far as I can tell, when someone spoke of a "quasi fascist USA". The endgame of the whole definition debate was, IMHO, a matter of discussing if that's not an improper & hyperbolic term at this point, one that shut the door to any debate about what exactly is happening in the USA.

Honestly at this moment it's pretty hard to know where exactly Trump falls into. I'm not convinced he will be authoritarian or a despot, let alone a fascist. Not that any of it is necessary for him to be terrible, an enabler of racists and a crony capitalist.

[wsippel]

I'd say that the phrasing you used for the Nazi arguments wasn't the clearest, I had to read it a couple of times. I can see how people primed to see you as an apologist would take it the wrong way.

Yeah, I guess that one was on me. But as I pointed out in my edit above, I never intended to defend them, just wanted to point out how inconsistent and opportunistic they were, and ultimately how that inconsistent behavior makes the term "Nazi" kinda meaningless. Because, since Nazis were evidently not socialists, the term itself has no literal meaning to begin with, which leaves us with an implied meaning. And to understand the implied meaning, you have to look at their behavior. And that behavior made no fucking sense.

I didn't see that post, but it's weird to say "well they weren't socialists and didn't act in their boundaries." Well... of course? We examine Nazi societies by how they acted, not by their nomenclature.

 People generally get the gist of the Nazis, they don't exactly get caught up in the name.

 That argument would best be put forth in varying regimes/leaderships of different countries under the same purported ideology.

I think you missed the context, but whatever.

Thing is: Hardly anybody really knows how they acted. At this point, "nazi" or "fascist" are arbitrary words with implied, but historically questionable or outright wrong definitions. And that worries me. "Getting the gist" is useless. What does that even mean? What is this "gist"? Humanity is bound to repeat its mistakes because it doesn't understand them. Hitler didn't start with "Do you want total war?". How he got to the point where he could ask that question, and how he could get his supporters to cheer at that point, that's the important part.

Also sorry if I sound like a dick when I make an argument.

 I've done it a few times to people like Himuro and we're pretty cool with each other now.

 I promise I'm friendly 

No problem. I'm evidently not good with words, either.

[zepblackstar]

Putin has invaded Gaf

This is not a drill

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226368273&postcount=1044

[wsippel]

Putin has invaded Gaf

This is not a drill

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226368273&postcount=1044

You think GAF isn't even important enough to warrant FSB trolls these days?

[VomKriege]

Putin has invaded Gaf

This is not a drill

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226368273&postcount=1044

Correct the Яecord
I guess those gaffers will be blindsided if Russia continues to gain traction. Eastern overtures are on the back of the mind of many in Western Europe, at least as a trade & security partner. Especially if the US start disengaging itself.

[wsippel]

Oh, oh, totally forgot: This is technically still a video game board, right? Anybody wanna join our Eve corporation? You know, since it's technically free now. We're kinda useless, a couple hundred members, but nobody is ever online, and the ten dudes who are mostly talk shit and don't get anything done. Just like the Bore, really, but with more spaceships and masochism.

[Syph]

Putin has invaded Gaf

This is not a drill

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226368273&postcount=1044

christ almighty gaf's pretentiousness knows no bounds