Author Topic: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry. (Read 226099 times)

Kara · « **Reply #540 on:** July 12, 2019, 07:25:00 PM »

This is about as bad as when you said Trump was reflexively anti-war.

shosta · « **Reply #541 on:** July 12, 2019, 07:30:35 PM »

thank you kara for being able to wade through the cancer that I posted and still find it in your heart to like the post

Kara · « **Reply #542 on:** July 12, 2019, 07:39:29 PM »

Quote from: shosta on July 12, 2019, 07:30:35 PM

thank you kara for being able to wade through the cancer that I posted and still find it in your heart to like the post

Is this art?

-me reading that post

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Years of subscribing to that magazine finally paying off.

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benjipwns · « **Reply #543 on:** July 12, 2019, 07:46:36 PM »

Quote from: Kara on July 12, 2019, 07:25:00 PM

This is about as bad as when you said Trump was reflexively anti-war.

And yet the globe is currently at peace in perfect harmony.

Curious.

Kara · « **Reply #544 on:** July 12, 2019, 08:19:59 PM »

You made me click on this thread again for a one word edit that makes your post more obviously reference the webcomic that makes the free speech KKKorner thread mad.

benjipwns · « **Reply #545 on:** July 12, 2019, 08:24:32 PM »

Those who participate in blatantly Mandarking deserve no safety.

Kara · « **Reply #546 on:** July 12, 2019, 08:53:46 PM »

Likening Mandark to me is so insulting to him that I'm reporting my first post on The Bore.

TVC15 · « **Reply #547 on:** July 12, 2019, 08:57:03 PM »

Quote from: Kara on July 12, 2019, 08:53:46 PM

Likening Mandark to me is so insulting to him that I'm reporting my first post on The Bore.

Ah, yes, the only thing lower than a coward is a snitch.

Kara · « **Reply #548 on:** July 12, 2019, 09:06:32 PM »

At least I'm not a scab.

benjipwns · « **Reply #549 on:** July 12, 2019, 09:12:56 PM »

I knew that it would always be you who would sic the authorities on me. I don't love you any less. This was how our tragic affair was eventually meant to end.

Mandark · « **Reply #550 on:** July 12, 2019, 09:15:01 PM »

I'd rat you all out to the mods, but the only posts I report are my own when they don't get enough likes.

toku · « **Reply #551 on:** July 13, 2019, 08:07:15 PM »

https://twitter.com/queer_queenie/status/1149798007996596226

team filler · « **Reply #552 on:** July 13, 2019, 08:10:08 PM »

amphetamines

shosta · « **Reply #553 on:** July 13, 2019, 10:04:46 PM »

So, I was reading John Bellamy Foster's special piece on Late Imperialism because it's been a couple of weeks and that means it's free now on their website (from each according to his ability, amirite?? $:-\$ ) and I had A Thought© while I was reading the conclusion that linked the global slowdown and climate catastrophe to the inevitable end of capitalism...

It's interesting to me that there's this recurring theme in Marxism that capitalism is irrefutably, mathematically inclined to collapse on its own, even without democratic pressure. Obviously the first iteration of this is The Tendency of the Rate of Profit to Fall which Marx thought was his magnum opus and proof that global revolution was imminent within a few generations at most, but then it comes back again after the second world war with Mandel repurposing the Soviet "Kondratiev" waves theory to try to cover up why the world experienced post war miracle growth, and finally, today, it's ubiquitous on the left to associate climate change with unfettered capitalism, along with the sometimes stated conclusion that either we will jettison capitalism or the planet will die. Not that I disagree with the last point... but I still think there's this very funny doctrinaire and undying belief that The Death of Capitalism (in theaters this summer) is incoming, on its own accord, because it is designed to fail, to the point where every time concrete predictions do not materialize, it has to be dressed up again as something else which will absolutely happen, they promise. I wonder why some of these writers don't just go with "unequal development will always happen because advantages accumulate" and admit the whole thing can go on forever, which imo is a much more compelling reason to justify structural change etc.

Expounding on that and to continue with the global warming aspect, I kind of want to read some analysis on the obviously imperialistic aspect of the impending climate crisis because it's pretty clear we're not going to die and climate change will mostly affect the global south. The US safeguards its food security with protectionist policy. A warming globe moves the arable land North (droughts will be primarily concentrated in the tropics), water rich areas will still be habitable especially with conglomerates monopolizing advanced silvicultural practices. We're also in an age of rapidly developing biotech, so food and plant resources, while strained, will be completely manageable in North America at least. When people talk about impending conflicts because of droughts and food scarcity that could potentially cost tens of millions of lives, that will almost totally be concentrated in the least developed areas like west africa, pakistan, etc. In essence what this means is that nearly ALL of the costs of developmental leaps and bounds in the economic center built with two centuries of carbon pollution are externalized to a population which received almost none of the benefits. That is an outstanding crime unparalleled in history, especially when those costs will be millions of lives, extinct species, the total reversal of habitability in entire megaregions, etc. And that is what the next 300, 400 years looks like.

that is the opposite of capitalism destroying itself once climate change hits

shosta · « **Reply #554 on:** July 13, 2019, 10:18:20 PM »

this reminds me of when Father turned the people of Xerxes into a Philosopher's Stone

shosta · « **Reply #555 on:** July 14, 2019, 12:18:46 AM »

I forgot my dumb fucking post is the whole reason this thread was created in the first place

team filler · « **Reply #556 on:** July 14, 2019, 12:31:36 AM »

Kara · « **Reply #557 on:** July 14, 2019, 12:31:53 AM »

I don't plan on ever experiencing paternal pride, but I'm going to go ahead and feel it for my 2 sons rn.

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Maybe this would have been a better emoticon to use?

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shosta · « **Reply #558 on:** July 14, 2019, 01:49:17 AM »

ok gang, it's time for the group picture

team filler · « **Reply #559 on:** July 14, 2019, 10:37:34 AM »

look like a group of vidya journalists with ilhan

benjipwns · « **Reply #560 on:** July 14, 2019, 12:31:03 PM »

you could fit like three of her in that one guy

Kara · « **Reply #561 on:** July 14, 2019, 11:34:11 PM »

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/secret-life-of-the-professor-who-lives-with-nazis

of course this story opens in Orange County, California

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mein reich

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Tripon · « **Reply #562 on:** July 14, 2019, 11:37:11 PM »

Quote from: Kara on July 14, 2019, 11:34:11 PM

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/secret-life-of-the-professor-who-lives-with-nazis

of course this story opens in Orange County, California

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Hah, of course it's Chapman University. AKA, private Christian College with $35K per semester tuition.

Crash Dummy · « **Reply #563 on:** July 15, 2019, 11:27:40 AM »

Quote

International Trade Liberalization and Domestic Institutional Reform: Effects of WTO Accession on Chinese Internal Migration Policy

Economic institutions that impede factor mobility become more costly when an economy experiences substantial transitions such as trade liberalization. I study how trade triggers changes
in labor institutions that regulate internal migration in the context of China’s Hukou system.
Using a newly-collected dataset on prefecture-level migration policies, I document an increase
in pro-migrant regulations following WTO entry and estimate the impact of prefecture-level
trade shocks on migration regulations from 2001 to 2007. I find that regions facing more export
market liberalization enacted more migrant-friendly regulations. I also find evidence that these
regulation changes amplified the effects of trade liberalization on internal migration.

i'm bored at work so reading this, feel free to join me http://www.tianyuanecon.com/uploads/1/1/0/7/110705287/submission_yt.pdf

Kara · « **Reply #564 on:** July 15, 2019, 12:54:37 PM »

jakefromstatefarm and benji circa 2015 vindicated.

https://twitter.com/communoah/status/1150233321416396800

Kara · « **Reply #565 on:** July 15, 2019, 04:20:16 PM »

Quote from: Esch on July 15, 2019, 10:38:31 AM

These are the dumb struggle sessions I live for

Mandark · « **Reply #566 on:** July 15, 2019, 04:24:53 PM »

Rewinding to the discussion a few pages ago, is there an article where Amber or whoever lays out the argument for anti-idpol feminism? I've mostly absorbed that whole debate through tweets.

Preemptive: I'm not going to a read a whole-ass book about this so none of you bastards try to make me.

Mandark · « **Reply #567 on:** July 15, 2019, 04:37:20 PM »

ahaha I didn't realize it was on Spiked.

I was more wondering if there was an actual essay or two people could point to that would spell out the "serious" version of this argument.

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Is Mandark looking for a hate-read that can confirm an opinion he's already formed? Is he pretending to do due diligence so when he inevitably makes a bunch of bitchy posts about the subject they'll carry more weight, like that time he read that godawful Jordan Peterson essay? These questions are left to the reader.

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Mandark · « **Reply #568 on:** July 15, 2019, 05:05:31 PM »

ha, when I wrote "don't recommend me a book" it was after deleting "don't recommend me Kill All Normies"

This is reinforcing my smug opinion that anti-idpol stuff is just online podcast feud bullshit, which I like.

curly · « **Reply #569 on:** July 15, 2019, 05:12:32 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on July 15, 2019, 04:24:53 PM

Rewinding to the discussion a few pages ago, is there an article where Amber or whoever lays out the argument for anti-idpol feminism? I've mostly absorbed that whole debate through tweets.

Preemptive: I'm not going to a read a whole-ass book about this so none of you bastards try to make me.

I was failing to come up with a good answer so I googled "jacobin identity" and it worked

Kara · « **Reply #570 on:** July 15, 2019, 05:24:18 PM »

I'll see if Amber's written an article for the places she's written at, Mandark. She's actually a bit of an (for lack of a better term) Old Bolshevik as far as DSA is concerned and she's from Indiana originally so I'm less inclined to sweep her up with (again for lack of a better term) Berniebros.

curly · « **Reply #571 on:** July 15, 2019, 05:45:04 PM »

She was active during Occupy and has described it as a failure of horizontalism which I think explains a lot of how she arrived at her current politics

Mandark · « **Reply #572 on:** July 15, 2019, 06:50:00 PM »

Quote from: Esch on July 15, 2019, 05:19:33 PM

*forums poster Mandark, Read Settlers

I haven't even watched the last season of Justified yet! C'mon!

Kara · « **Reply #573 on:** July 15, 2019, 09:58:38 PM »

Mandark:

http://bostonreview.net/forum/logic-misogyny/amber-alee-frost-amber-alee-frost-responds-kate-manne

https://newpol.org/men-explain-things-meand-i-hardly-care-review/

https://www.cjr.org/special_report/why-the-left-cant-stand-the-new-york-times.php

These are from her "Dear Prudence" type column (i.e. bite-sized and not that detailed)

https://thebaffler.com/your-sorry-ass/no-wokeness-no-worries-frost

https://thebaffler.com/your-sorry-ass/the-sad-song-of-privilege-frost

If I had to elevator pitch her problem with identity politics, it's the time she quoted Rosa Luxemburg on an episode of Chapo saying, "To the rich woman her problems are the world; to a poor woman the world is her problem." (Pardon any misquoting.)

Crash Dummy · « **Reply #574 on:** July 16, 2019, 08:27:39 AM »

Quote from: Esch on July 15, 2019, 05:03:28 PM

Ughbhhhhmfjdndbd akahnwwh Google Angela Nagle and her work.

Example:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190713202700/https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/11/the-left-case-against-open-borders/

Zizek has some similar shit takes and is probably more popular. Some of his fans like Crash Dummy would be able to guide you

stick with me kid, and you too can tie up anyone in lacanian and hegelian metaphysic word games!

Crash Dummy · « **Reply #575 on:** July 16, 2019, 11:49:10 AM »

i resent that, i can appreciate anyone writing about anxiety!

Kara · « **Reply #576 on:** July 16, 2019, 12:19:08 PM »

Found some pics from the ConDem era I'd saved.

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #577 on:** July 16, 2019, 01:40:42 PM »

I’m eventually gonna have to make that purchase myself. If you don’t care about used, I think you can grab em all individually for about 70-75, and I’ve seen them drop significantly lower than that too.

benjipwns · « **Reply #578 on:** July 17, 2019, 12:01:08 AM »

Quote from: Mandark on July 15, 2019, 06:50:00 PM

I haven't even watched the last season of Justified yet! C'mon!

surviving Sam Elliott's head lean is the real struggle session

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that season hurts in so many ways

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benjipwns · « **Reply #579 on:** July 17, 2019, 12:13:10 AM »

Completely off the top of my head without looking them up to be sure:

1. Season 2
2. Season 3
3. "Bulletville"
4. Season 4
5. Season 6
6. Rest of Season 1
7. Season 5

Tripon · « **Reply #580 on:** July 17, 2019, 12:51:14 AM »

toku · « **Reply #581 on:** July 17, 2019, 01:12:57 AM »

Quote from: benjipwns on July 17, 2019, 12:13:10 AM

Completely off the top of my head without looking them up to be sure:

1. Season 2
2. Season 3
3. "Bulletville"
4. Season 4
5. Season 6
6. Rest of Season 1
7. Season 5

Super accurate. Pretty much every odd number season is great to mostly great. I don't think I would put 3 that high (is that the one with neal mcodnough villain? it was wild) but it had the hard task of following up the best season. Hard act to follow. Show is great tv all throughout and a really good ending.

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We dug coal together

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Tripon · « **Reply #582 on:** July 17, 2019, 01:19:08 AM »

https://twitter.com/xmarx360/status/1151297291250208774

benjipwns · « **Reply #583 on:** July 17, 2019, 01:45:45 AM »

Quote from: toku on July 17, 2019, 01:12:57 AM

Super accurate. Pretty much every odd number season is great to mostly great. I don't think I would put 3 that high (is that the one with neal mcodnough villain? it was wild) but it had the hard task of following up the best season. Hard act to follow. Show is great tv all throughout and a really good ending.

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Yeah, season three is Quarles plus the first Limehouse, also the episode where Dewey Crowe had his kidney removed. I liked Quarles coming in as a brutal enforcer but not at all ready for Harlan County as it all starts falling apart.

Season six is just packed with too many plots and characters, even introduces another (Boon) late in the game unnecessarily, when it should have been kept more to just Mary Steenburgen and let Boyd do his thing. Or done the heist instead of the Crowe's the season before. Then done Ava and Boyd for the finale.

Season two had that perfect balance, that perfect villain, perfect Boyd getting involved almost unintentionally. But all the seasons were great. Lots of memorable moments even with the smaller characters, season four moves up for me because it's got a lot of clever ones, Raylan and Winonia in the baby room, when Tim realizes it's a sniper trap and they circle the wagons, the whole High School misdirect.

Show theme was too good

benjipwns · « **Reply #584 on:** July 17, 2019, 01:51:26 AM »

In the deep, dark hills of eastern Kentucky
That's the place where I trace my bloodline
And it's there I read on a hillside gravestone
"You will never leave Harlan alive"

Well my grandad's dad walked down Katahrin's Mountain
And he asked Tillie Helton to be his bride
He said, "Won't you walk with me out of the mouth of this holler
Or we'll never leave Harlan alive"

Where the sun comes up about ten in the morning
And the sun goes down about three in the day
And you fill your cup with whatever bitter brew your drinking
And you spend your life just thinking how to get away

No one ever knew there was coal in them mountains
Til a man from the northeast arrived
Waving hundred dollar bills, he said "I'll pay you for your minerals"
But he never left Harlan alive

Well Granny, she sold out cheap and they moved out west to Pineville
To a farm where Big Richland River winds
And I'll bet they danced them a jig, and they laughed and sang a new song
"Who said we'd never leave Harlan alive?"

But the times, they got hard and tobacco wasn't selling
And old Granddad knew what he'd do to survive
He went and dug for Harlan coal and sent the money back to Granny
But he never left Harlan alive

team filler · « **Reply #585 on:** July 18, 2019, 03:22:43 PM »

https://twitter.com/RosieGray/status/1150803528857862145

Kara · « **Reply #586 on:** July 18, 2019, 03:27:22 PM »

Quote from: Esch on July 17, 2019, 01:34:11 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/cdmcvl/richard_d_wolff_here_professor_of_economics_radio/

Great comment section, 10/10 would read all the shitposts again

Kara · « **Reply #587 on:** July 18, 2019, 03:37:50 PM »

Quote from: Esch on July 16, 2019, 12:41:27 PM

Me wondering if I want to spend 85 on the entire Buttigieg Prison Notebooks set ....

I have a clipped version with selections but it's ehhhh

(Image removed from quote.)

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I know I have to get back to this...

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team filler · « **Reply #588 on:** July 18, 2019, 04:15:20 PM »

https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/status/1151947540759269376

Oblivion · « **Reply #589 on:** July 18, 2019, 06:26:51 PM »

it was really nice and considerate of the magazine funded by the koch bros. to give amber and anna a platform to help spread their marxist take on feminism

team filler · « **Reply #590 on:** July 18, 2019, 06:51:51 PM »

https://twitter.com/the_bernie_bro/status/1151984649133940737

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #591 on:** July 18, 2019, 07:02:08 PM »

Quote from: Kara on July 15, 2019, 12:54:37 PM

jakefromstatefarm and benji circa 2015 vindicated.

https://twitter.com/communoah/status/1150233321416396800

https://twitter.com/Orbizzz_/status/1150409933684453378

Oblivion · « **Reply #592 on:** July 18, 2019, 07:23:25 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on July 05, 2019, 06:47:38 PM

Him getting banned at the same time as Assimilate was like when Farrah Fawcett died on the same day as Michael Jackson.

i'm aware this transpired, but i was off the bore when this happened. can someone fill me in on the deets?

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #593 on:** July 18, 2019, 07:34:52 PM »

Quote from: Oblivion on July 18, 2019, 07:23:25 PM

Quote from: Mandark on July 05, 2019, 06:47:38 PM
Him getting banned at the same time as Assimilate was like when Farrah Fawcett died on the same day as Michael Jackson.

i'm aware this transpired, but i was off the bore when this happened. can someone fill me in on the deets?

Assy McGee and Floptimus were garbage posters so I perm'd them even though bork said not to.

Rufus · « **Reply #594 on:** July 18, 2019, 07:42:55 PM »

Oh?

That's an interesting detail.

Kara · « **Reply #595 on:** July 18, 2019, 07:43:33 PM »

Andrew Yang went on Chapo

What world is this.

shosta · « **Reply #596 on:** July 18, 2019, 07:49:05 PM »

Did Will say we should just make automation illegal like he did the first time they talked about Yang

Oblivion · « **Reply #597 on:** July 18, 2019, 08:00:16 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 18, 2019, 07:34:52 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on July 18, 2019, 07:23:25 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 05, 2019, 06:47:38 PM
Him getting banned at the same time as Assimilate was like when Farrah Fawcett died on the same day as Michael Jackson.

i'm aware this transpired, but i was off the bore when this happened. can someone fill me in on the deets?

Assy McGee and Floptimus were garbage posters so I perm'd them even though bork said not to.

the dial of ideas just got set to the 'low' position

authoritarian leftism

Oblivion · « **Reply #598 on:** July 18, 2019, 08:14:29 PM »

Quote from: Esch on July 06, 2019, 07:42:55 PM

Quote from: Mandark on July 05, 2019, 06:16:26 PM
A heuristic I've found useful is when someone says the left/liberals/Dems should make concessions and meet the people where they are on issue X, that person probably doesn't care about issue X or lowkey agrees with the right wing position on issue X.

Our own Optimus (pbuh) said the left needed to drop the PC bullshit because it turned off voters, then gradually revealed that he had Some Thoughts on Muslim immigration, racial IQ gaps, false rape accusations, etc.
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1147403313047953409

team filler · « **Reply #599 on:** July 18, 2019, 08:30:06 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 18, 2019, 07:34:52 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on July 18, 2019, 07:23:25 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 05, 2019, 06:47:38 PM
Him getting banned at the same time as Assimilate was like when Farrah Fawcett died on the same day as Michael Jackson.

i'm aware this transpired, but i was off the bore when this happened. can someone fill me in on the deets?

Assy McGee and Floptimus were garbage posters so I perm'd them even though bork said not to.

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Author Topic: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry. (Read 226099 times)