River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[agrajag]

a red and a yellow light at the same time? Why are your country's traffic lights gaslighting me?

[agrajag]

One of my biggest driving pet peeves is people who see green lights kinda far ahead, and start slowing down, because they fear hitting a yellow light.

Once you notice people doing this, you can't un-notice it.

When I see a red light far away, I let go of gas and just cruise on momentum. By the time I roll up to it, it's green and gotta go fast again. Save gas that way.

 

[BisMarckie]

a red and a yellow light at the same time? Why are your country's traffic lights gaslighting me?

Because efficiency is more important than your feelings.

[Occam]

Countries without this sequence.
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Why doesn't every country have this? It makes so much sense.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

None of this indicates EGS can't support these payment methods, and Sweeney himself is suggesting precisely how they could (processing fee.)  edit: In fact he's saying they do support them.. sooo..

WTF?

No, the EGS adds on those costs directly to the customer, where they do supply products. It is not covered by their cut. Some places they just don't fucking bother.
Valve eat those additional costs as part of their existing retailer cut, meaning certain territories their 'take' is significantly lower than 30%. Because they pay all of those additional overheads.
And before you "well you can't know that", they literally outlined that that is exactly what they do at GDC, and that - for example - ~90% of all Japanese purchases are done via the costlier to valve steam card route paid for by cash, rather than by credit card.

Like... Tim Sweeny literally fucking says that a 12% cut is 'impractical' for developing world sales.

[Occam]

Is the Red+Yellow a warning that the green light is coming?

"In Germany, the Czech Republic and some other Central European countries, a combination of red and orange [yellow] lights is illuminated just before the green phase."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_light#Europe

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

You literally used a statement by Time Sweeney explaining how they support the expensive payment types you claimed they didn't as proof that they couldn't support said payment times.

breh... read what I'm saying.
They DON'T support those territories and payment methods because it makes their 12% unfeasible.
They are able to call out other storefronts that DO support that, because they know that 12% is unfeasible.

You said I had no way of knowing that, when... horses mouth.
The '12%' is a fucking magic number. its not based on Epics actual existing costs, or potential future costs. its literally "Whats lower than the other guys?"

Either way the vast, vast majority of sales on both platforms do not have anything to do with the sales in these territories with those payment methods.  And if Tim Sweeney is admitting that they couldn't do it with a flat 12% fee in those regions, do you think he'd expect Valve to to meet his statement about them changing their policy?

Like not sure WTF you are getting at... Tim Sweeney is admitting a flat 12% across the board in all regions isn't possible so clearly he wouldn't expect Valve to do that.

No, its - see above - just PR bullshit. As for the 'vast majority' of sales not having additional costs; again, valve gave a huge fucking talk at GDC about regions and payments methods.

If valve went to a - again, totally fucking arbitrary - 12% for PR shine, they either drop a chunk of their userbase, or actively lose money in keeping their existing userbase.

Tim Sweeney fucking knows all of this dude.
He's not calling out Valve for not only charging 12% because thats the scientifically derived objective figure of optimal return for all parties involved.
He's doing it for PR reasons and so idiots go "oh yea, should be 12%"

[ResetBanBot]

You're doing God's work Sage.

[Momo]

Countries without this sequence.

what the fuck is that?

This seuence alerts you that you gonna have a green light in a second. So you are ready for the green light and don‘t waste precious seconds like an idiot.

vietnam has the best i've seen, there's literally a clock where you can see the seconds count down for each phase

[team filler]

rouitous keeps dadsplaining, he's turning into his father 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

He quite literally says in those tweets that they support some of those payment methods and territories lol, they do so by charging a fee.    I'm just making fun of you for that, because it's funny.   

They are able to call out other storefronts that DO support that, because they know that 12% is unfeasible.

Except he's blatantly admitting that in the tweets;  which means unless he's just a complete sociopath when he calls for Valve to change their fees he's including the fact that they couldn't necessarily do it in all regions.

Do you really think he'd admit that and then go "Nope when I said for Valve to change their fees they have to do it WORLDWIDE IN ALL REGIONS EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THEY CANT BUWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!"

You do get how PR works, right?
He might as well say "We'll stop moneyhatting exclusives the day gabe newell can fit into a skinny jeans".
He can boast "We only charge 12%*" because thats the headline people read.
Not the *go suck a dick poors and foreigners

[Jenkem]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-maximilian-doods-intro-the-best-youtube-gaming-channel-intro-out-there.118166/post-20981341

It's great.

I just hope the people involved were compensated adequately.

I AM SOCIALLY CONSCIENTIOUS!

chinginguished changinguished distinguished black fellow dagger 

[nachobro]

riotous just can't ever stand to be Wrong On The Internet

[Jenkem]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chick-fil-a-banned-from-san-antonio-international-airport-for-its-legacy-of-anti-lgbtq-behavior.107353/post-20996022

resetti mods gonna start banning people for eating fast food wasn't that a thing on gaf as well near the end?

someone please explain to me the hate boner for chik-fil-a.. the owners are christian and said they value traditional marriage and are thus against gay marriage. so fucking what? have you ever seen a gay person denied service at a chik-fil-a?

why is civil marriage seen as some ultimate fucking goal.. so many fucking statists in this thread and on gaf/era. disgusting.

[nachobro]

what you gonna do, insist you are right for like 50 posts

[Jenkem]

[team filler]

   Get my dick out of your mouths, jesus christ.

[nachobro]

Just today I admitted I was wrong about something the post after I said something wrong.  You guys are obsessed with building some narrative about me, it's gotten really pathetic.

even on this you gotta insist you're right

[agrajag]

what you gonna do, insist you are right for like 50 posts

Just today I admitted I was wrong about something the post after I said something wrong.  You guys are obsessed with building some narrative about me, it's gotten really pathetic.

I agree, it can be really frustrating when people push an unearned narrative.

[nachobro]

also i've never commented on this before, please check your facts

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Like what am I missing here?

I said that they don't support non-CC payments and developing countries, and expected - from the context of the other words that I also wrote - it was clear that I meant they do not support paying for that within the cut they take as other retailers do, not that they refuse to accept money from people.
they don't 'support' them as in they just say "fuck it" and pass the costs directly onto a customer. Not 'don;t support' as in BEEP BOOP UNEXPECTED LINE TERMINATION BOOP BEEP

Go reread my post breh. Its unedited.

[nachobro]

also also i never said i had a problem with it. everyone wants to be right, it's natural. just something i noticed

[ResetBanBot]

This was never about the cut to developers. If it was they'd be telling people to buy direct from the developers website (which I do), where you'll still get a Steam key. Ask any indiedev about Steam and they'll tell you they sell more copies on a single day via Steam than all of their direct sales combined, that 30% is totally worth it to them.

The reason it's such a contentious issue is because gamejournos (and by extension, ResetEra mods) hate Valve for refusing to deplatform games, and allowing customers to write reviews, especially when relating to anti-consumer business practices. They actively want to restrict who is allowed to make games, and who is allowed to sell them. It's effectively a form of gate-keeping. Note how they all applauded Epic when they said they'd be more restrictive than Valve, hanging a giant "no indies welcome" sign from the start (triple III not included).

[team filler]

*Dadtisty 

[HaughtyFrank]

Is the Red+Yellow a warning that the green light is coming?

Yeah, if you time it right you get a turbo boost

[nachobro]

I'm totally the one here who can't just admit wrong and move on...

it can be both of you, but sage got the same problem. i argued with that dude about notch not being in the minecraft credits for like 15 posts when i could have done something more productive instead, like hanging myself.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Like what am I missing here?

I said that they don't support non-CC payments and developing countries, and expected - from the context of the other words that I also wrote - it was clear that I meant they do not support paying for that within the cut they take as other retailers do, not that they refuse to accept money from people.

Epic just don't fucking bother with these territories or payment methods at all.

Yeah super clear you meant they do actually bother with these territories and payment methods but with a fee.  That's why you said "don't fucking bother"... and "at all".
 
I'm totally the one here who can't just admit wrong and move on...

breh.

Other storefronts swings-and-roundabouts the various costs associated with supporting non-standard payment methods, or supplying product to smaller 'riskier' territories.
Epic just don't fucking bother with these territories or payment methods at all. Literally due to the costs involved meaning their cut is untenable in providing games to those people.

When I say "look at what I said, and see what I meant in context", don't fucking edit out the actual context of the fucking sentence, you goddamn reseterian

[BisMarckie]

The trick is to never get involved in a discussion yourself. Instead you use weaponized likes to dunk on the poster you disagree with.

[Boredfrom]

This was never about the cut to developers. If it was they'd be telling people to buy direct from the developers website (which I do), where you'll still get a Steam key. Ask any indiedev about Steam and they'll tell you they sell more copies on a single day via Steam than all of their direct sales combined, that 30% is totally worth it to them.

The reason it's such a contentious issue is because gamejournos (and by extension, ResetEra mods) hate Valve for refusing to deplatform games, and allowing customers to write reviews, especially when relating to anti-consumer business practices. They actively want to restrict who is allowed to make games, and who is allowed to sell them. It's effectively a form of gate-keeping. Note how they all applauded Epic when they said they'd be more restrictive than Valve, hanging a giant "no indies welcome" sign from the start (triple III not included).

I think it has more to do with devs telling their journos friends how nasty Valve is in not giving them a bigger cut. I seriously doubt the average video game reviewer cares about user reviews outside YouTubers eating their pie.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

The reason it's such a contentious issue is because gamejournos (and by extension, ResetEra mods) hate Valve for refusing to deplatform games, and allowing customers to write reviews, especially when relating to anti-consumer business practices. They actively want to restrict who is allowed to make games, and who is allowed to sell them. It's effectively a form of gate-keeping. Note how they all applauded Epic when they said they'd be more restrictive than Valve, hanging a giant "no indies welcome" sign from the start (triple III not included).

I don't even think its that deep.
Epic make fortnite, and thats pretty cool. I played it on my playstation.
Valve don't even make games, they haven't done anything since the orange box.
this is a hypothetical paraphrased statement, this is not me saying this, in case that is not clear via context

[nachobro]

Sage: You can't be serious.  That context changes absolutely nothing.

nachobro:  I agree waste of time lol.. but seriously... I'll admit wrong if I'm wrong, it's a dumb ass thing to accuse me of.

fair enough, just noticed something recently but i'm not reading everything on the board so i probably just missed stuff

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

jesus dude

Sage: You can't be serious.  That context changes absolutely nothing.

Epic just don't bother (with some of these territories that other storefronts support and swings-and-roundabouts the associated costs for, but instead pass additional charges onto the purchaser) or (with non standard payment methods that they do not support at all)

[Boredfrom]

Sage: You can't be serious.  That context changes absolutely nothing.

nachobro:  I agree waste of time lol.. but seriously... I'll admit wrong if I'm wrong, it's a dumb ass thing to accuse me of.

fair enough, just noticed something recently but i'm not reading everything on the board so i probably just missed stuff

Dude, Riotous is gaslighting you. 

[team filler]

The trick is to never get involved in a discussion yourself. Instead you use weaponized likes to dunk on the poster you disagree with.

autistys hate him

[BIONIC]

Maybe the riotous sr. is the one we made along the way 

[ResetBanBot]

I wonder which gamejourno's twitter account I could search to verify my claims...





(it's the one that posts on ResetEra)

bonus: shocking twist that the person replying to him is another journo

[PogiJones]

Like the users it's based on, EraClear doesn't work.

You still got acne?

I post here, don't I?

[team filler]

Like the users it's based on, EraClear doesn't work.

You still got acne?

I post here, don't I?

ban him, then answer with "nope" 

[agrajag]

Pogi, TIMU has a topical protein-based skin cream he would like to apply to your face

[Jansen]

You're doing God's work Sage.

If care posting about storefronts is doing the Lord's work then you need to fucking kill yourself

[PogiJones]

Riotous, if you don't stop using literally for emphasis, I'm going to literally splice your dick down the middle and tie each half around each of your legs.

[PogiJones]

At least he put his in a post too long and boring to read.

[BisMarckie]

At least he put his in a post too long and boring to read.

You are literally the last person who should complain about boring long ass careposts. You literally wrote posts of a million words or more literally every day. 

[PogiJones]

I didn't complain 

[Boredfrom]

I wonder which gamejourno's twitter account I could search to verify my claims...

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(it's the one that posts on ResetEra)

bonus: shocking twist that the person replying to him is another journo
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Well, you just proved that Patrick Klepeck is an idiot and has a lot of idiot journo friends. Not exactly difficult.

Jim Sterling usually spergs about games getting on the store but when Steam tried to ban anime game he suddenly  was championing this games like a lot of RE did (the ones that work or have friends working on porn games). Journos and RE are not that deep.

[benjipwns]

have you ever seen a gay person denied service at a chik-fil-a?

If they're demonstrating proof of their homosexuality then I hope they are being asked to leave the premises.

Unless they were asked by the manager to demonstrate this proof, in which case, that's all on them.

[pancakesandsex]

I wonder which gamejourno's twitter account I could search to verify my claims...

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(it's the one that posts on ResetEra)

bonus: shocking twist that the person replying to him is another journo
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Well, you just proved that Patrick Klepeck is an idiot and has a lot of idiot journo friends. Not exactly difficult.

Jim Sterling usually spergs about games getting on the store but when Steam tried to ban anime game he suddenly  was championing this games like a lot of RE did (the ones that work or have friends working on porn games). Journos and RE are not that deep.

When sterling goes off about games getting on steam, it seems internally consistent with his pro-consumer stance on everything else, as he's specifically railing against asset flips and other exploitative, barely functional software.  I happen to enjoy Sterling's schtick, and catch his stuff fairly regularly.  While I think there's some overlap personally between the games he's outspoken about, and the "bad devianart" visual novel / rpgmaker game that has propagated on steam as of late, it's not quite the same thing.  At the very least I haven't heard anything about the devianart games being barely functional messes, and they typically at least use original artwork etc.  I also don't think I've seen him play content police like RE wants to.

[Lonewulfeus]

have you ever seen a gay person denied service at a chik-fil-a?

If they're demonstrating proof of their homosexuality then I hope they are being asked to leave the premises.

Unless they were asked by the manager to demonstrate this proof, in which case, that's all on them.

What about 2 dudes kissing?

[BisMarckie]

have you ever seen a gay person denied service at a chik-fil-a?

If they're demonstrating proof of their homosexuality then I hope they are being asked to leave the premises.

Unless they were asked by the manager to demonstrate this proof, in which case, that's all on them.

What about 2 dudes kissing?

The French do that every day.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

When sterling goes off about games getting on steam, it seems internally consistent with his pro-consumer stance on everything else, as he's specifically railing against asset flips and other exploitative, barely functional software.  I happen to enjoy Sterling's schtick, and catch his stuff fairly regularly.  While I think there's some overlap personally between the games he's outspoken about, and the "bad devianart" visual novel / rpgmaker game that has propagated on steam as of late, it's not quite the same thing.  At the very least I haven't heard anything about the devianart games being barely functional messes, and they typically at least use original artwork etc.  I also don't think I've seen him play content police like RE wants to.

Jim Sterling is fucking populist idiot and the only consumer he actually gives a fuck about is himself, and his definition of "pro-consumer" is "Things I like".
Not only do those "asset flips and other exploitative, barely functional" titles barely even exist, even the shittiest, laziest, recompiled Unity demo package took the author more time and effort to create than any given video he squuezes out after browsing r/gaming controversial, so I don't understand the churlish diktat that somehow those 'shouldn't be allowed' to be sold when he can monetise his low effort turds.

Those games mere existence doesn't fucking harm anyone. If by some miracle you buy one, you can be instantly refunded with no questions asked.
The fact is that most of the amateurish stuff on steam isn;t by people trying to scam money. Its by amateurs devs learning their craft.
Don't Shit Your Pants led to Rogue Legacy.
Keyboard Drumset Fucking Werewolf led to Hotline Miami.

[benjipwns]

have you ever seen a gay person denied service at a chik-fil-a?

If they're demonstrating proof of their homosexuality then I hope they are being asked to leave the premises.

Unless they were asked by the manager to demonstrate this proof, in which case, that's all on them.

What about 2 dudes kissing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_fraternal_kiss

[BisMarckie]

have you ever seen a gay person denied service at a chik-fil-a?

If they're demonstrating proof of their homosexuality then I hope they are being asked to leave the premises.

Unless they were asked by the manager to demonstrate this proof, in which case, that's all on them.

What about 2 dudes kissing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_fraternal_kiss

Every self-respecting American restaurant should ask socialists to leave the premises.

[pancakesandsex]

When sterling goes off about games getting on steam, it seems internally consistent with his pro-consumer stance on everything else, as he's specifically railing against asset flips and other exploitative, barely functional software.  I happen to enjoy Sterling's schtick, and catch his stuff fairly regularly.  While I think there's some overlap personally between the games he's outspoken about, and the "bad devianart" visual novel / rpgmaker game that has propagated on steam as of late, it's not quite the same thing.  At the very least I haven't heard anything about the devianart games being barely functional messes, and they typically at least use original artwork etc.  I also don't think I've seen him play content police like RE wants to.

Jim Sterling is fucking populist idiot and the only consumer he actually gives a fuck about is himself, and his definition of "pro-consumer" is "Things I like".
Not only do those "asset flips and other exploitative, barely functional" titles barely even exist, even the shittiest, laziest, recompiled Unity demo package took the author more time and effort to create than any given video he squuezes out after browsing r/gaming controversial, so I don't understand the churlish diktat that somehow those 'shouldn't be allowed' to be sold when he can monetise his low effort turds.

Those games mere existence doesn't fucking harm anyone. If by some miracle you buy one, you can be instantly refunded with no questions asked.
The fact is that most of the amateurish stuff on steam isn;t by people trying to scam money. Its by amateurs devs learning their craft.
Don't Shit Your Pants led to Rogue Legacy.
Keyboard Drumset Fucking Werewolf led to Hotline Miami.

Opinions on his content quality aside, sure, the really bad stuff is a drop in the bucket, and I'll go further to say it probably gets more attention via rubbernecking due to clamoring about it than it would have on it's own.

There's a difference between amateurish content and exploitative content.  Like I said above, I think there's some (small) overlap, but my point was the aggressively bad flips are not the same as a "indie anime game" that was being defended.

[Lonewulfeus]

have you ever seen a gay person denied service at a chik-fil-a?

If they're demonstrating proof of their homosexuality then I hope they are being asked to leave the premises.

Unless they were asked by the manager to demonstrate this proof, in which case, that's all on them.

What about 2 dudes kissing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_fraternal_kiss

Every self-respecting American restaurant should ask socialists to leave the premises.

Hah socialists don’t even go to restaurants, they order through grubhub.  Germans should stick to what they’re good at, getting their asses handed to them in world wars!   

[BIONIC]

Patrick Klepek is the Riotus of Games Journalism.

Get Patrick Sr. on the line

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/BenjiSales/status/1131061325042315264

Oh noes, resetera going to cancel Benji next.

[BIONIC]

https://twitter.com/BenjiSales/status/1131061325042315264

Oh noes, resetera going to cancel Benji next.

Those pedophile rape dungeons really rake in the dough.

Is Sabrina Ms. Galaxy okay?

[benjipwns]

I like all the people talking about this 80 games thing when it basically means nothing other than the company is doing well. It could be everything from small prototypes to preproduction ideas to games they're looking to publish (since in Yurop they publish gobs of stuff from other companies, one of the things that complicated ResetERA.com's boycott was when the non-Americans started mentioning the games they'd have to boycott) to mobile junk to things that actually have whole teams in place and could show you a slice next week.

Every major publisher probably has 3-5 times the number of games "in development" in the pipeline than they will actually ever publish from that batch. Unless the publisher is relying solely on internal studios and current franchises.

[BisMarckie]

Delta Force coming soon to Nintendo Switch!

[benjipwns]

Now you're trying to get THQNordic to publish U.S. military propaganda along with child pornography?