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Re: Google Stadia: Electric Snoopaloo Sayga Bleemcast 2
« Reply #420 on: June 06, 2019, 10:23:05 PM »
I don't want this to succeed, but I'm starting to have doubts that it'll faceplant. :goty2

Yeah, not too happy about the idea that the future of games is a combination of the worst of console gaming [closed ecosystem, no modding] with the worst of digital gaming [you don't actually own the game and it can go away at any time].

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« Reply #421 on: June 06, 2019, 10:41:22 PM »
This is what we need. Use 1TB of data streaming Fez.

I weep for the people who have monthly data caps.
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« Reply #422 on: June 06, 2019, 10:43:50 PM »
1TB for 65 hours of gameplay actually seems pretty decent
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« Reply #423 on: June 07, 2019, 12:08:23 AM »
This thing is DOA.

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« Reply #424 on: June 07, 2019, 01:28:27 AM »
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This figure suggests that 1080p60 Google Stadia game streaming will have data usage of approximately 9GB per hour
Get the absolute fuck out of here with this shit lul

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« Reply #425 on: June 07, 2019, 06:57:03 AM »
Designed will all this extra power (for next gen) but launches with the same games already available on other platforms.

:confused

You were expecting AAA third party Stadia exclusives?
PS5 and Xbox Too are going to be launching with a mostly "also available on PS4 / X1 / PC / Stadia" lineup outside of any platform owner exclusives too

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« Reply #427 on: June 07, 2019, 08:39:26 AM »
I think no exclusive just shows google is not really all that serious about this.

Look how much heat Xbox gets for for having lackluster exclusives. Now imagine if for Xbox two they said “we decided we just don’t want to do exclusives at all”? They’d rightly get destroyed for that.

Biggest thing with Google Stadia is that it doesn’t seem to have any particular reason to exist. It’s not clear what need it fills that’s not better filled by the existing consoles.

I can sort of see how there might be a market for low-friction gaming.... like the “i saw a commercial for Red Dead 2, and I don’t really play video games but like westerns and ‘oh I can just click on this YouTube link and play it’”  it But that reality doesn’t exist yet, and it’s not really clear that it ever will. It sort of sounds like the google controller will remain mandatory even after the free version comes out.

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« Reply #428 on: June 07, 2019, 08:44:33 AM »
at their first reveal i believe they said it'll work with PS4 and X1 controllers. if that's the case, then this thing has a much better chance of becoming a big deal. just being able to plug into a laptop or pair a bluetooth controller to play a game vs a $500 box to play the same games is gonna be appealing to a pretty large audience.

assuming the tech works of course

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« Reply #429 on: June 07, 2019, 09:46:17 AM »

up against $500 all new boxes from Sony and MS, with the same third party support, and there's no reason to expect stadia games are going to look or perform any worse than those new boxes do

A local box will always out perform a virtual one.

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« Reply #430 on: June 07, 2019, 10:26:55 AM »

up against $500 all new boxes from Sony and MS, with the same third party support, and there's no reason to expect stadia games are going to look or perform any worse than those new boxes do

A local box will always out perform a virtual one.

you need to define your terms about 'performance', because any random summer blockbuster I can stream looks better than anything any gaming rig I can ever dream of owning can perform in realtime.

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« Reply #431 on: June 07, 2019, 11:30:52 AM »
Streaming a game will add latency and additional input lag that you don't get with a local box. It's an exciting prospect and should work great for some games. I'm still skeptical of performance in games where timing is key like in some sports games and multiplayer shooters.
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« Reply #432 on: June 07, 2019, 11:44:13 AM »
Summer blockbusters?  Wut

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« Reply #433 on: June 07, 2019, 11:57:33 AM »
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This figure suggests that 1080p60 Google Stadia game streaming will have data usage of approximately 9GB per hour
Get the absolute fuck out of here with this shit lul

Game streaming is not video streaming.

Good compression relies on a couple of factors;  time and predictability.  That's why a pre-recorded video can get the max compression with the max quality;  an encoder can take it's time, and the encoder knows all of the upcoming frames and can analyse them and see that the sky in the background doesn't change for 10 seconds therefore that 10 seconds of data doesn't need to be updated.

Even for a "live video stream" you still can act on a delay;  you can delay the video for as long as you need to satisfy some reasonable expectation of compression against a reasonable expectation of what is "live."

A game can't do that;  the video encoding needs to be as immediate as possible;  every frame you wait for to calculate compression is a frame delay to the end user.   Every millisecond the compression takes and thus the decompression on the other end takes is a millisecond added to the delay the user experiences.    You'd target a bandwidth goal, and compress only the minimum possible.

People need to generally stop thinking about video streaming in terms of game streaming;  the business is entirely different, the costs are different, the tech is different, etc. 

Your pirated 4k Blu-Ray rips have little to do with what it takes to quickly get the frames of a game from server to client.  Advancements in encoding and compression are part of why game streaming is possible, but it will never be as efficient as a pre-recorded video can be.

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« Reply #434 on: June 07, 2019, 01:01:43 PM »
at their first reveal i believe they said it'll work with PS4 and X1 controllers. if that's the case, then this thing has a much better chance of becoming a big deal. just being able to plug into a laptop or pair a bluetooth controller to play a game vs a $500 box to play the same games is gonna be appealing to a pretty large audience.

assuming the tech works of course

What’s the overlap of people that have PS4 and x1 controllers lying around but don’t game on PC, Xbox, or Playstation already?

Certainly there is some market there, but the experience better be awesome.

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« Reply #435 on: June 07, 2019, 01:07:03 PM »
It's more what will those people get next-gen or after imo. If MS and Sony charge whatever they charge ($500 + 2nd controller + online sub) and Google says "You can play those games with the shit you already have" it'll probably tempt some people, especially if there's cross-save/cross-play and they can still play with their friends.

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« Reply #436 on: June 07, 2019, 01:23:26 PM »
It's weird being the "Google guy" of the forum and seeing basically everyone else get more fired up about it than you are :doge

For me I'm just waiting and (anticipating) seeing.
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« Reply #437 on: June 07, 2019, 01:26:03 PM »
It's more what will those people get next-gen or after imo. If MS and Sony charge whatever they charge ($500 + 2nd controller + online sub) and Google says "You can play those games with the shit you already have" it'll probably tempt some people, especially if there's cross-save/cross-play and they can still play with their friends.

Exactly, and I can't help but feel there's a decent chunk of people who've felt burnt on how this gen panned out with its mandatory online fees, mandatory downloads of huge amounts of data prior to playing a game even if you own the disk, and 'mid-gen upgrade' shenanigans.

As predominantly a PC gamer, Stadias existence is nothing but upside; at worst I get a reference level hardware spec thats guaranteed to hit 4k 60fps come my next upgrade cycle, because thats the hardware studios target for the stadia builds.

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« Reply #438 on: June 07, 2019, 03:56:47 PM »
I’m open minded about it. Like I’m sure I’ll check it out to see how it works if I can just do it from my pc... I’m just not expecting too too much.

Unless google really cares about this and really tries to compete it will be a hard sell.

Sony and MS will come out guns blazing to at least timed-exclusive the best games off of stadia and for various reasons it’s probably more expensive to maintain than Steam so they might not have as much pricing flexibility.


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« Reply #439 on: June 07, 2019, 04:11:21 PM »
It's weird being the "Google guy" of the forum and seeing basically everyone else get more fired up about it than you are :doge

For me I'm just waiting and (anticipating) seeing.
Personally I'm just fed up with MS/Sony consoles after this gen, that's the main reason I'd like this to be good and take off.

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« Reply #440 on: June 07, 2019, 04:13:48 PM »
Data caps in 2019 :lol :lol

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« Reply #441 on: June 07, 2019, 04:30:33 PM »
I don't want this to succeed, but I'm starting to have doubts that it'll faceplant. :goty2

Yeah, not too happy about the idea that the future of games is a combination of the worst of console gaming [closed ecosystem, no modding] with the worst of digital gaming [you don't actually own the game and it can go away at any time].

I bet you still buy CD's too grandpa.
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« Reply #442 on: June 07, 2019, 07:57:49 PM »
"Clearly Unfinished": Google's Gaming Platform Faces Uphill Battle in Marketplace
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/googles-stadia-platform-faces-uphill-battle-marketplace-1216320
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« Reply #443 on: June 07, 2019, 10:25:27 PM »
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« Reply #445 on: June 13, 2019, 11:42:39 AM »
https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/13/google-stadia-vs-microsoft-project-xcloud-battle-streaming-services-9932338/

Here’s another impression of both that and cloud. Sounds like the stadia version of doom is not exactly the same as the pc or console versions but some kind of port.

From the impressions the tech seemed to mostly work, but graphics were noticeably worse and limited to 1080P and game was very buggy with missing AI and geometry issues.

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« Reply #446 on: June 13, 2019, 11:47:53 AM »
Stadia is its own platform, running on Linux and OpenGL. So yeah almost definitely some kind of dedicated port.
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« Reply #447 on: June 13, 2019, 11:51:45 AM »
Stadia is its own platform, running on Linux and OpenGL. So yeah almost definitely some kind of dedicated port.

It's Vulkan not OpenGL;  I imagine if it was OpenGL ports would be easier.

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« Reply #448 on: June 13, 2019, 11:53:53 AM »
From the impressions the tech seemed to mostly work, but graphics were noticeably worse and limited to 1080P and game was very buggy with missing AI and geometry issues.

neither of those are things that it being streaming rather than locally processed would be responsible for, so I'd have to assume the stadia port just isn't as ready as the console ports are yet

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« Reply #449 on: June 13, 2019, 11:55:20 AM »
Stadia is its own platform, running on Linux and OpenGL. So yeah almost definitely some kind of dedicated port.

It's Vulkan not OpenGL;  I imagine if it was OpenGL ports would be easier.

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« Reply #450 on: June 13, 2019, 12:11:06 PM »
Yeah I shouldn't say ports would be "easier";  it's probably just that the Doom team maybe did a Vulkan "port" to mess around with Stadia at some point but hadn't updated that build in a while hence the old shit.

Hoping Stadia w/ Destiny 2 is at PAX West this year.  I imagine by September that can't be testing with only half-baked ports lol.

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« Reply #451 on: June 13, 2019, 12:30:17 PM »
Any "hands-on" reports done for something like Stadia in the context of an environment like E3 is: :lol

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« Reply #452 on: June 13, 2019, 01:08:22 PM »
Any "hands-on" reports done for something like Stadia in the context of an environment like E3 is: :lol

Eh;  I likely have at least as good of a connection at my house as E3 does.

So unless they are completely faking it with a server on the LAN or something it's not that unrealistic.

And really conventions like that sometimes have shit internet;  they should advertise what ping they are getting though to let people know what to expect vs. their home connection.

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« Reply #453 on: June 13, 2019, 01:14:59 PM »
from that arse piece:
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Google invited me out to its downtown LA YouTube Gaming creator's space—away from the Internet-congested E3 show floor—to try out the latest build of Stadia. My demo was running locally on a Pixelbook with the Chrome browser, connected to a TV via HDMI, and remotely to data centers more than 300 miles away in San Francisco. The Pixelbook had a wired Internet connection that I was told was running at "about 25 Mbps" (Google wouldn't let me run a speed test to confirm the connection quality).

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« Reply #454 on: June 13, 2019, 01:37:25 PM »
A bit suspicious they didn't let him run a speed test and only mentioned Mbps.    And of course they wired the connection lol.

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« Reply #455 on: June 13, 2019, 02:18:25 PM »
A bit suspicious

You reckon??!?!? :ohhh

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« Reply #456 on: July 09, 2019, 02:11:58 AM »
A bit suspicious they didn't let him run a speed test and only mentioned Mbps.    And of course they wired the connection lol.

Suspicious, sure, but them ensuring reliable connection at this point isn't unreasonable, and it very quickly could have become the main talking point of the demonstration.

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« Reply #457 on: July 09, 2019, 11:09:48 AM »
A bit suspicious they didn't let him run a speed test and only mentioned Mbps.    And of course they wired the connection lol.

Suspicious, sure, but them ensuring reliable connection at this point isn't unreasonable, and it very quickly could have become the main talking point of the demonstration.

Yeah of course it's not unreasonable;  but not even letting the guy do a speed test when he explicitly asked is kind of lame.   

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« Reply #458 on: July 09, 2019, 11:21:16 AM »
Some new deets:

- Local co-op of up to four players is supported
- The Stadia controller supports USB HID so can be used as a USB controller for anything that supports it
- They explicitly recognize that while games may be "delisted," a "purchase" is for the life of the Stadia service in general, "barring unforeseen circumstances"
- VR support is TBD
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« Reply #459 on: July 09, 2019, 11:22:35 AM »
If I can't get The Evil Within 1 + 2 and GhostWire Tokyo on Switch, I'm going to pray for Stadia ports instead. 🙏🏻
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« Reply #460 on: July 09, 2019, 05:02:45 PM »
Stadia is its own platform, running on Linux and OpenGL. So yeah almost definitely some kind of dedicated port.

It's Vulkan not OpenGL;  I imagine if it was OpenGL ports would be easier.

OpenGL is damn near depreciated. Everything going Vulkan for Stadia means non-Streaming Linux gaming is fucking possible finally.

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« Reply #461 on: July 10, 2019, 02:04:33 AM »
Linux gaming has been great for a while now  :trumps

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« Reply #462 on: July 10, 2019, 09:45:52 AM »
Linux gaming has been great for a while now  :trumps

Facts. I remember having a pretty pleasant experience back in 2012.
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« Reply #463 on: July 19, 2019, 11:34:06 AM »


Both tiers seem decent. :idont
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« Reply #464 on: July 19, 2019, 11:44:16 AM »
It's a good deal if you have a solid connection to their server.

I'm curious how stuff like UPlay+ will work with the free tier though;  I doubt you'll be able to use it for that.

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« Reply #465 on: July 19, 2019, 01:37:06 PM »
destiny 2 is not the game to give away. Isn’t it going free to play like two months before this launches?

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« Reply #466 on: July 19, 2019, 02:19:32 PM »
yeah i think the base game will be free. they are giving the base game + expansions, so that's something i guess.

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« Reply #467 on: July 19, 2019, 03:10:40 PM »
This is what we need. Use 1TB of data streaming Fez.

I weep for the people who have monthly data caps.
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« Reply #468 on: July 20, 2019, 06:01:04 AM »
Both tiers seem decent. :idont

The value proposition they are offering seems so obvious and easy to explain - even just by comparison to how you can buy a movie online and only stream it or buy a bluray player and a disk and 'own' it - that the way some media outlets are still talking about 'netflix of games' and 'you cant even buy games unless you subscribe, and you lose your whole library if it lapses!' makes you wonder if they're actively trying to kill it with capital-g-gamers pre-launch because playing a game within seconds of watching a YT review is a pretty fucking terminal scenario for some of the games press.

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« Reply #469 on: July 21, 2019, 05:16:43 PM »
lol good grief

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« Reply #470 on: July 21, 2019, 06:33:48 PM »
i would def get this for the lounge if i was an american in an area that supported this  :doge
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« Reply #471 on: July 22, 2019, 08:30:40 AM »
Linux gaming has been great for a while now  :trumps

Numerous Anti-cheat says "lol."

When I can play Battlefield 3-4 on Linux without bending over backwards to do it, that's when Linux gaming will be "great."

Is it better than the dumpster fire it was in the 90-00's? Sure, but being able to play 20+ year old titles on a niche OS isn't suddenly better.

When a AAA title day-and-dates on Linux, we can say things are "great."

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« Reply #473 on: August 19, 2019, 12:44:14 PM »
Stadia Directo starting in ~15min


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« Reply #474 on: August 19, 2019, 12:56:40 PM »
setting expectations to underwhelmed, captain

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« Reply #475 on: August 19, 2019, 01:00:42 PM »


Starting now.
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« Reply #476 on: August 19, 2019, 01:31:34 PM »


Will probably be the best-looking version.
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« Reply #477 on: August 19, 2019, 01:33:30 PM »
this seems kinda bunk, i figured it'd be more than just a bunch of old trailers

e: new watch dogz trailer at least

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« Reply #478 on: August 19, 2019, 01:38:13 PM »
that was it?

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« Reply #479 on: August 19, 2019, 01:39:09 PM »
It was pretty on-the-nose for "What if a nintendo direct, but for Pc games?"

Pretty solid lineup of developer support though