You know, Shinji, we really are the End of Evangelion.

[toku]

Who said anything about fucking? We respect waifus in a platonic way here at the bore.

 

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yas kween

[curly]

Misato is manipulative and desperate, and continues on her bullshit after she gets moments of self-awareness.

[Tasty]

[Don Rumata]

Misato is manipulative and desperate, and continues on her bullshit after she gets moments of self-awareness.

Rei >>>

She's got big responsibilities, bud. 
Meanwhile, Rei is basically Ikari's Anime Pillow project. 

[Don Rumata]

Watched EoE.
Animation was really great, and that fight with E02 was baller as fuck, of course.
I went in with the impression that it'd be a sequel to the show, but it's basically a repeat of the last two episodes, just not in storyboard version.

I mean i'll just echo the sentiment i had for the last two episodes, it would've been (more) beautiful, if it didn't feel the need to spell out so much through words, in my opinion.
Cinema is a visual medium, animation in particular, and what is there is very well made, so i don't think it needed so much script to go with it, it just detracts bit by bit from the power of it all.
I'll compare it to Twin Peaks The Return episode 8, even though they're very different, just to point at an example of what i'm talking about (or the ending of 2001 if you prefer).

But this is anime, and as i said in the past page, being over written is sort of part of its essence.
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So ok that aside, one thing that i didn't like, was the character development of Shinji, to me felt like it made a jump into a Flanderization in between ep. 24 (or even 26) and EoE.
The Shinji of EoE is definitely the one i got to know through osmosis all these years, whereas the one in the actual show, just felt more like a mellow but normal kid. I felt like a step was missing between the two, despite him going more and more mad was supposed to be the point of it all.

[Don Rumata]

But the scream/sound effect the Evas make is fucking 
And those white Evas were cool as shit.

At the end of the day, that's all that matters. 

[Tasty]

Shit happened in ep24 that made Shinji the way he was in EoE, I would think...

As for talking vs. showing, I generally agree, but there really isn't much dialog in the last third, and the sandbox scene is baffling yet intriguing.

[Don Rumata]

Shit happened in ep24 that made Shinji the way he was in EoE, I would think...

As for talking vs. showing, I generally agree, but there really isn't much dialog in the last third, and the sandbox scene is baffling yet intriguing.

Yeah however seeing as how 25 and 26 tell the same story (more or less) the transition from 24 to 25/26, compared to the transition from 24 to EoE (character-wise) for Shinji, felt more natural to me.
The opening wack off scene made thematical sense, but still felt a bit forced and out of character for example.

To be honest i'd have to rewatch it to make up my mind, because it's more of a feeling i had while watching than any precise moment i can point out, it felt like they shifted the tone to something darker, despite the final episodes being pretty devoid of humor already, and in doing so, exacerbated one aspect of Shinji's character to arrive at the narrative's thematical conclusion.
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Anyway, the sandbox scene reminded me of the Akira finale (also involving a big ass explosion and an almost "reset" of the universe, lol).
Also, usually i don't care for meta narratives, but the live action shots fit well in here, i thought.

EDIT: Now that i think about it, another problem i have with Shinji's development is that the key shift has to do with Kowaru, but his relationship with him is so brief and rushed, that feels less earned than something like Koji's (more or less equal) scene prior to that.
Of course Kowaru being a supernatural entity has a different function from a plot standpoint, but from Shinji's pov it was yet another character to give him love and validation.

I think a more relaxed pace, spread over double the episodes maybe, could've worked in its favor.

[Tasty]

Live action shots worked because it was still fictional characters in a "fictional" setting. Some of the text was from IRL death threats, but the live action scenes have their own story:



So it wasn't necessarily breaking any kind of fourth wall, instead showing how different and alien alternate realities could be.

[Don Rumata]

Live action shots worked because it was still fictional characters in a "fictional" setting. Some of the text was from IRL death threats, but the live action scenes have their own story:



So it wasn't necessarily breaking any kind of fourth wall, instead showing how different and alien alternate realities could be.

Well, anything is inherently fictional, by the show's own words, once it gets interpreted by one own's mind, and becomes part of their internal "reality"  ; but i'll say the dude giving the thumbs up to the camera, in one of those theater shots counts, as breaking the 4th wall. 

[Bebpo]

A friend of mine just watched Eva for first time on Netflix including EoE. I told them they should watch the sequel series Eva Rebuild next, but it doesn't look like it's available legally anywhere online? They don't play videogames so don't have a BD player, so dunno best way for them to watch them.

[Momo]

watch the dubs 

[recursivelyenumerable]

Friendly Reminder: The span of time between the first episode of Evangelion and Evangelion 1.0 was ~12 years. This is almost the same amount of time that's passed between Evangelion 1.0's release and now.

wat
is Time just trolling all of us??? what is ur deal Time???

[Don Rumata]

It's not just about Kaworu. I think some reflection on what Shinji goes through between episodes 19 (da best episode) and 25 is called for. When Shinji talks to Kaji in Episode 19, that's the last time until the movie that Shinji mans up and decides for himself that he has a responsibility to pilot Evas - even though only bad things ever happen to him while he does. It's all downhill from there, significantly worse than the stress he went through for the first 75% of the show. He's stuck in quantum limbo for a month. Asuka becomes comatose. Rei dies in front of him. Everyone in the GeoFront is evacuated - the only normal part of his life (school, having non-NERV friends) disappears. Kaji dies. Misato becomes completely emotionally distant because of that. Shinji finds out that the new Rei is a clone. He has everything in his life taken away from him all over again just after he decided that he would put up with being a pilot for the sake of humanity.

That's the context of episode 24. He has nothing, and then suddenly he has a friend. And then he has to kill his friend. It's like killing the only possibility of him having a life outside of Nerv with any semblance of emotional closeness to someone else. So given that, I didn't feel a disconnect between ep 24 and the movie's despondent, defeated Shinji. That would break any kid.

Yeah it's why i'm saying i need a rewatch, 'cause in the second half there's so much shit you're trying to pay attention to, that i feel like i want to watch it again to digest it better.
That said, it was more of a criticism of the pace with which the information and (character) development is doled out, than the events themselves.
That's what i meant, when i said that it felt like they skipped a step.

However the last act of the show it's also supposed to feel very overwhelming and confusing.

[brawndolicious]

What the fuck is wrong with you people? This show had no fucking ending. No one warned me the last two episodes are complete gibberish. I get that they needed long monologues to save animation budget but they don't explain a fucking thing. In fact it's just an excuse to repeat the same lines over and over like a mixture of pop psychology with anorcho-agitprop written by someone who heard the word nihilist one time. Fuck this show, I'm having to google what, how and why everything happened.

Just goddamn.

[toku]

[Vizzys]

What the fuck is wrong with you people? This show had no fucking ending. No one warned me the last two episodes are complete gibberish. I get that they needed long monologues to save animation budget but they don't explain a fucking thing. In fact it's just an excuse to repeat the same lines over and over like a mixture of pop psychology with anorcho-agitprop written by someone who heard the word nihilist one time. Fuck this show, I'm having to google what, how and why everything happened.

Just goddamn.

congratulations

[Kara]

What the fuck is wrong with you people? This show had no fucking ending. No one warned me the last two episodes are complete gibberish. I get that they needed long monologues to save animation budget but they don't explain a fucking thing. In fact it's just an excuse to repeat the same lines over and over like a mixture of pop psychology with anorcho-agitprop written by someone who heard the word nihilist one time. Fuck this show, I'm having to google what, how and why everything happened.

Just goddamn.

Great news, brawndolicious! End of Evangelion is available on Netflix now!

 

[Don Rumata]

At the very start of Ep.26 they almost literally say "It'd take too long to show all this shit, so we'll focus on Shinji some more". 
They certainly weren't trying to shy away from the fact that they ran out of funds.

[VomKriege]

What the fuck is wrong with you people? This show had no fucking ending. No one warned me the last two episodes are complete gibberish. I get that they needed long monologues to save animation budget but they don't explain a fucking thing. In fact it's just an excuse to repeat the same lines over and over like a mixture of pop psychology with anorcho-agitprop written by someone who heard the word nihilist one time. Fuck this show, I'm having to google what, how and why everything happened.

Just goddamn.

I told you about the stairs.

[BIONIC]

Friends, just finished the show. Is there any reason to watch the recap movie? Or should I just skip to End of Evangelion?

[Momo]

watch the dubs

[BIONIC]

Good to know, thanks.

[Great Rumbler]

What the fuck is wrong with you people? This show had no fucking ending. No one warned me the last two episodes are complete gibberish. I get that they needed long monologues to save animation budget but they don't explain a fucking thing. In fact it's just an excuse to repeat the same lines over and over like a mixture of pop psychology with anorcho-agitprop written by someone who heard the word nihilist one time. Fuck this show, I'm having to google what, how and why everything happened.

Just goddamn.

[Tasty]

[BIONIC]

Disgusting.

[Joe Molotov]

What the fuck is wrong with you people? This show had no fucking ending. No one warned me the last two episodes are complete gibberish. I get that they needed long monologues to save animation budget but they don't explain a fucking thing. In fact it's just an excuse to repeat the same lines over and over like a mixture of pop psychology with anorcho-agitprop written by someone who heard the word nihilist one time. Fuck this show, I'm having to google what, how and why everything happened.

Just goddamn.

congratulations

congratulations

[toku]

[Tasty]

Androids 17 and 18: *laughs*

[kingv]

Watched the first two episodes and that scene where old boy nuts for Asuka.

I question his devotion, a 2 roper at best.

Interested in the rest of the series, but I though the sexy time anime shot was sort of over the top even in the first 2 episodes. Like the adult chick that Shinji is staying with leaning over the table at him and shit.

[Joe Molotov]

Watched the first two episodes and that scene where old boy nuts for Asuka.

I question his devotion, a 2 roper at best.

Interested in the rest of the series, but I though the sexy time anime shot was sort of over the top even in the first 2 episodes. Like the adult chick that Shinji is staying with leaning over the table at him and shit.

Asuka isn’t even in the first two episodes, did you watch End of Evangelion first or something?

[Momo]

Androids 17 and 18: *laughs*

They arent robots though

[Tasty]

Androids 17 and 18: *laughs*

They arent robots though

Machine Mutants?

[Momo]

Androids 17 and 18: *laughs*

They arent robots though

Machine Mutants?

They're just genetically engineered humans, no robotech.

[Tasty]

I was making a GT reference

[Momo]

I never watched GT, well a few eps when i was a kid, but i immediately formatted that part of my brain. 

[Tasty]

You're better off than me then, I still have bits of GT lodged in there

[kingv]

Watched the first two episodes and that scene where old boy nuts for Asuka.

I question his devotion, a 2 roper at best.

Interested in the rest of the series, but I though the sexy time anime shot was sort of over the top even in the first 2 episodes. Like the adult chick that Shinji is staying with leaning over the table at him and shit.

Asuka isn’t even in the first two episodes, did you watch End of Evangelion first or something?

Just that particular scene from it. Sounded really weird, so I had to check it out. Will watch the full thing once I actually get there

[Don Rumata]

Wait, there's more to watch after EoE? Give me a quick guide/rundown.

[BIONIC]

Wait, there's more to watch after EoE? Give me a quick guide/rundown.

From Wikipedia, it seems like a reboot of the series consisting of 4 movies. Last one is supposedly coming out next year.

[TEEEPO]

lol if you've watched evangelion for the first time as an adult and not an impressionable and vulnerable teen 

[Kara]

Wait, there's more to watch after EoE? Give me a quick guide/rundown.

Kaworu is gay... but in SPACE on THE MOON.

Asuka-chan has an eyepatch and is 28 but looks 13 still.

Gendo wears some baller Geordi La Forge visor instead of his grandpa transition lens specs.

There's another child who's British and parachutes to school in the morning.

It's glorious.

[Great Rumbler]

Wait, there's more to watch after EoE? Give me a quick guide/rundown.

There are 4 movies [1.0, 2.0, 3.0, and 3.0+1.0]. The first movie is basically a remake of the first third of the series. The second movie is basically a remake of the middle third of the series. The third movie goes in a very different direction. Nobody really knows how things are going to play out in the fourth movie.

[VomKriege]

Considering the last film will def release in the near future, I would wait for that and watch all 4 even if the first one is very close in plot with the first major arc.

[Don Rumata]

Can't they do one thing simple?  :'(

"Evangelion 2", there you go.

Instead of all this remaking, 3.0+1.0=4.0, "you will (NOT) advance" shit that confuses my blue collar brain.

[Tasty]

Can't they do one thing simple?  :'(

"Evangelion 2", there you go.

Instead of all this remaking, 3.0+1.0=4.0, "you will (NOT) advance" shit that confuses my blue collar brain.

That's Eva though...

[Rahxephon91]

Well it’s not really Evangelion 2. It’s a reimagining and originally anyway was supposed to be a new version of Eva for new fans.

It for sure seems to have morphed into something else and regardless of fan theories it will still be it’s own thing. It also has a radically different tone and feel then the tv show.

[brawndolicious]

Wait, there's more to watch after EoE? Give me a quick guide/rundown.

There are 4 movies [1.0, 2.0, 3.0, and 3.0+1.0]. The first movie is basically a remake of the first third of the series. The second movie is basically a remake of the middle third of the series. The third movie goes in a very different direction. Nobody really knows how things are going to play out in the fourth movie.

So they remade something that didn't have a real ending because they ran out of money but they changed the ending? This is why Japan has been in a permanent recession.

[Rahxephon91]

End of Eva is a pretty definite ending.

[VomKriege]

End of Eva is a pretty definite ending.

Yeah. They made the films because it was big money pretty much guaranteed and started spinning a crazy alternative story as they went along.

[Great Rumbler]

yeah the first movie is basically shot for shot so far, wondering if I should skip to the third.

2.0 is different enough that you should watch it.

[Tasty]

2.22's ending

[Great Rumbler]

2.22's ending

[Don Rumata]

So only a fraction of these movies are actually set AFTER EoE, but not really because in retelling the plot, they changed it, so it's actually a sequel to their own story/version of the story?

[Don Rumata]

Gotcha.
Then i'll wait for the final (?) movie to come out, and watch em all back to back.

[Joe Molotov]

How dare you? Watch the movies now, and then wait 10 years to watch the last movie, like the rest of us.

[Rahxephon91]

I feel it's a definitive ending because I feel like it says all they wanted at that point while also offering a conclusion to the surface plot.

I know people like to rag on the show because anime fans in thier teens probably use to proclaim the show was deep and "smart". No the show may not be the most incredibly written show ever and it's psychological stuff can maybe be amtuer at best. But I feel that is such a narrow minded version of criticism, this "does the writing hit this level or not". The show is very rough around the edges and in that it honestly feels like a very honest expression of brokenness and issues that people who have a hard time self-identifying or relating to the others feel. And in a way I do feel the show is pretty well done with some pretty well developed characters and storylines they find themselves in.

Saying all that, what I'm trying to get it as to me Evangelion is about people trying to connect and live and so while the tv show offer's an ending thats fine, I also think the movie does the same. I dont actually think it's that vauge and really concludes what I think the show is about. Shinji make's peace with himself and realizes that that world that SELLE wanted, where you can't be hurt because everyone is one being is wrong. Running away from others is wrong and while life is painful, life can be great. It can be great anywhere, you just have to self-realize and be at peace with it and yourself. And this all happens plot wise. He's tempted with the choice, realizes it's wrong, and then rejects Third Impact. Comes back to a shitty world, but maybe it can work. We don't know for sure, but that seems to be the point.

So for me EoE concludes all the themes the show was trying to say. And it concludes the plot stuff too. People give Evangelion shit or look too deeply into the Biblical stuff. It's pretty clear now to a fan of Japanese stuff that the bible stuff is just a style for the robot show. Like how sentai shows have different styles and themes for thier seasons.Or how jrpgs borrow from Norse or whatever else mythology. They just went all in with the Christian Imagery.  Lot of that stuff is just a vehicle for whatever the writers wanted to explore. Which is what Third Impact was. It's not really important to me how you get to Third Impact, but more so what it's about. Which is basically yeah the human condition. Self vs others and whatnot. Would it be better if we all did'nt exist and where one being so we wouldn't hurt each other. You see Shinji's life and maybe it would be. So in EoE you really get to see all of what Evangelion was leading to. And it's a great ending to this really rough and rumble show.

You can argue if the tv show meets the same conclusion or not. If completion happens or doesn't. I don't know. I think last time I watched it, I thought it basically was the same ending. It's just clear that they did'nt have the the time or money to show the character and plot stuff. So they just went with the character stuff. I like EoE, because I feel you get both.

[kingv]

I have been watching about an episode per night and I can see why people really like it... but also how it might be both too subtle and hit you over the head too hard, depending on the scene and/or character.

[kingv]

One thing I will give the show credit for is that the terminology and explanation for the nuclear reactor in that episode where the robo-Eva goes on it’s walking spree was pretty accurate.

Much more accurate than most shows.

[Momo]