Corona Thread |OT| Nu variant, who dis?

[thisismyusername]

I feel you're overthinking it a little. Patrons take the risk in showing up/being with other folks. Unless the venue KNOWINGLY has someone on staff (or the venue books someone that KNOWINGLY has it), someone infecting others at their venue is out of their hands. They didn't know the status of the person they let in.

I don't think there's liability here beyond "you swim show up at your own risk" like beaches without lifeguards. People still go.

[ToxicAdam]

Ok, thanks for the clarity.





https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/g2ci8d/angela_merkel_explains_why_opening_up_society_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Merkel breaks down the thin line we are treading on

[Mandark]

I listened to the New Zealand PM addressing her country and I have no idea how well they're actually handling the details of this or whether their plan is better or worse than other countries, but holy hell was I envious at the idea of someone projecting adult competence in the middle of this situation.

[team filler]

marianne was right again!

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1251000502231408641

 

[bluemax]

https://twitter.com/MayorOfLA/status/1250944155649486849

[OnlyRegret]

is it getting better or worse in the states, I can't fucking tell anymore

[VomKriege]

did you just google "india poor coronavirus"

Nintex why would you like this.

Beast Mode activation has an intermittent short circuit caused by faulty wires.

[VomKriege]

is it getting better or worse in the states, I can't fucking tell anymore

Depends on the curve of the dozen of states behind NYS. It seems they may have plateau but I'm not sure for all the others behind. Not all states report on what happens in long term care homes yet too, so there's probably some backlog that will be dumped on the total.
USA will probably stay at 1500-2000 deaths in hospitals a day for a while. There, hopefully, will not be anywhere that can get as catastrophic as New York City but if others places hit their peaks later, the plateau at the national level may last longer than Italy/Spain/France.

Seems certain the US will be at 50-60k total fatalities by May 1st.

Considering we know 88% of those deaths included 23 comorbidities, are actually not COVID but an obvious ploy to get Fed grant money by greedy Demonrats because it's much more efficient to destroy the economy and not collect taxes on it, the MetaCritic user score is sitting at 5.6, that diarrhea kills 1,8m worldwide and is it even flu season anymore...? Pretty good job by Trump.

[Fifstar]

is it getting better or worse in the states, I can't fucking tell anymore

The US is more like multiple countries, so it's tough to say. I would still expect some states/regions to develop somewhat larger outbreaks, so some regional spikes in infections and deaths could still be coming. Also the deaths are delayed by 14 -20 days, so there could still some waves be coming from states that are behind New York.  But since the most important safety precautions like social distance and closure of big events have been in place for some time in most states, there is a solid chance that there won't be another super spread. So from that point of view, the US could be at the peak and in control for now.

[Occam]

Ok, thanks for the clarity.





https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/g2ci8d/angela_merkel_explains_why_opening_up_society_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Merkel breaks down the thin line we are treading on

And that was just her reply to the question of a reporter according to reddit. It's nice when there are adults in the room discussing these topics.

[VomKriege]

China issued a correction of its COVID stats.

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[Nintex]

did you just google "india poor coronavirus"

Nintex why would you like this.

I give sympathy likes to mandark 

Think of it as like welfare benefits for the less fortunate.

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[Nintex]

We're farting ourselves to death. This whole thing is just a south park LARP that all of society participates in

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[VomKriege]

Stopcovid, the tracing app the French government is working on, will "probably not be ready" when it will debated at the Assembly on April 28 and 29.

 

[pilonv1]

I listened to the New Zealand PM addressing her country and I have no idea how well they're actually handling the details of this or whether their plan is better or worse than other countries, but holy hell was I envious at the idea of someone projecting adult competence in the middle of this situation.

It's even worse when they're your neighbour. Our PM looks like Trump compared to Adern, she's been fantastic. We've just been really lucky that all the stupid decisions our PM has made haven't backfired, except for whoever let 2700 cruise passengers off a ship in Sydney, which accounts for about 1/3 of all our cases/deaths.

[Madrun Badrun]

[VomKriege]

SOS Méditerranée -a NGO who operates ships to save migrants crossing the Med- & Doctors Without Borders have ceased their collaboration as they disagree on if you can carry operations with reasonable health safety in place.

[Akala]

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1251152948651913217

[Madrun Badrun]

Which looks shady except NY and Quebec just did the same thing yesterday. 

[Flannel Boy]

Ontario
Number of cases: 9,525 (+564)
Dead: 478 (+55)
Backlog: 5,993

I'm surprised it's still increasing. Vast majority here are practicing strict social distancing.

[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-emmanuel-macron-questions-china-outbreak-started-in-lab-a9469846.html?utm_source=reddit.com

[Akala]

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/coronavirus/article_34b7cfc8-8037-11ea-a83a-7307f2732ff1.html

As federal funding for small business loans is tapped, local mayors around here are opening up smaller businesses as of today, let's see how this plays out. hopefully people don't rush to buy furniture and not much changes rather than new hospitalization rate go BRR

[Flannel Boy]

This may belong in late-stage capitalism.

http://h4b7a.emailsp.com/f/rnl.aspx/?mgd=touuyc9kh=o2-k0=ovp1_6d1a.=&fd.i2c5:yx&x=pp&ww&x=pv&a2.:76adxa7e=uovuNCLM

Brad J. Lamb is a real estate broker and condominium developer--so the worst kind of scum in Canada. He was precluded from building a condo because two 19-century heritage homes got in the way. The city of Toronto did not give him rezoning approval. Somehow, three weeks ago, these giant abandoned heritage homes caught on fire, with police saying that at least one explosion took place inside. Two days later, there was another fire! It could've been anyone!

Every cause of death should be treated with equal importance, and if 5,000 people die from COVID-19 this year, it will be tragic. It is also tragic that 14,000 people die from drug overdoses as well. We do not quarantine the country to prevent opioid overdoses

If we didn't do this, we'd have hundreds of thousands of deaths in Canada--not 5,000.
You don't get an opiod overdose because someone sneezes on you.

If we had an option to self-isolate for many months, we could look at that, but we do not. More people may die in Canada due to the quarantine that due to the virus. On average, Canadians save $160/month. One third of Canadians have no savings. Many millions in Canada literally live paycheque to paycheque.

Maybe you and your fellow rent-seekers caused this?

(in one year we will add another $180B). Who exactly is being helped by this monster deficit? Well, I can tell you my companies are not being helped.

Your companies have sold billions of dollars worth of condos and earned 100s of millions by being parasites. You don't need help.

I am dubious that any of the largesse will really help people. I am sure that abuses from fraudulent claims will occur in large numbers.

In a random test, it has been reported that as much as 70% of the Lombardy province of Italy has been infected with COVID-19.

Citation needed

What if the mortality rate is 1/10th, 1/20th, or 1/100th of the published mortality rates? What if COVID-19 is similar to the seasonal flu based on mortality rates and overall expected deaths?

New York City has about 2,000 influenza-related deaths in a year. In one month, 8,500 have died of COVID-19--and that's with measures in place that you don't think are necessary.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1251124028359741447

So we reached the bug chaser part of the curve.

[Madrun Badrun]

From the PMs speech going on now:  the government's plan for oil workers is to get them to clean up old wells and stimulus for pollution reduction methods (10000 jobs).  This is really great.  'Just because we are in a health crisis does not mean we can ignore the environmental crisis'.  Alberta is going to be so salty.

In the same speech, he talks about giving money to artists

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/financial-aid-covid19-trudeau-1.5535629

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1251124028359741447

So we reached the bug chaser part of the curve.

https://twitter.com/ASegals/status/1251153646655434752

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/curaffairs/status/1251136595916447744



"Three detainees, as I call them."

[Joe Molotov]

I wonder if she met them in lockdown originally.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1251124028359741447

So we reached the bug chaser part of the curve.

https://twitter.com/ASegals/status/1251153646655434752

Tweet deleted. 

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https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1251179905678577664

 

[Leadbelly]

did you just google "india poor coronavirus"

Nintex why would you like this.

Beast Mode activation has an intermittent short circuit caused by faulty wires.

oh... that was in response to my post. And yeah obviously I googled that article. I had seen a BBC article previously which is why I googled India specifically though.

I have actually read a lot of shit about coronavirus that informs my opinion. Nothing better to do right now. So today for instance, I was reading this article from professor John Ioannidis. Basically talking about how unreliable the data is for Covid-19, which is why we need to get large-scale testing under way to see exactly what we are dealing with.

A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data

The data collected so far on how many people are infected and how the epidemic is evolving are utterly unreliable. Given the limited testing to date, some deaths and probably the vast majority of infections due to SARS-CoV-2 are being missed. We don’t know if we are failing to capture infections by a factor of three or 300. Three months after the outbreak emerged, most countries, including the U.S., lack the ability to test a large number of people and no countries have reliable data on the prevalence of the virus in a representative random sample of the general population.

This evidence fiasco creates tremendous uncertainty about the risk of dying from Covid-19. Reported case fatality rates, like the official 3.4% rate from the World Health Organization, cause horror — and are meaningless. Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.

The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.

Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%. But since this estimate is based on extremely thin data — there were just seven deaths among the 700 infected passengers and crew — the real death rate could stretch from five times lower (0.025%) to five times higher (0.625%). It is also possible that some of the passengers who were infected might die later, and that tourists may have different frequencies of chronic diseases — a risk factor for worse outcomes with SARS-CoV-2 infection — than the general population. Adding these extra sources of uncertainty, reasonable estimates for the case fatality ratio in the general U.S. population vary from 0.05% to 1%.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

[Madrun Badrun]

Postman just rung my buzzer to tell me he'll be back in 15 mins and will ring my buzzer again.  I don't know what is going on in the world anymore. 

[Nintex]

Honestly, I think it's somewhat safe to open up.

We know where the big outbreaks are/were and we know how to mitigate the effects (social distancing, masks, no large meetings, shield the elderly).
It should be safe enough for functioning adults to go to work that can't work from home. Especially if you mostly work with the same people and travel by car.

Schools are an entirely different story. Kids are fucking stupid, so they will just run about infecting everyone.

I don't see how going back to work with precautions in place is any different from people doing their weekly shopping.

We don't yet have all the data, which is true, but we also don't have a lot of unexplained deaths.
So far it all fits the same pattern which we can adapt to.

[Pissy F Benny]

dutch directness

[toku]

If nintex was admin Creepy Stalker would still be here

[Nintex]

We never went to the phase to close down all businesses. We kept construction and a few other things going.

We've managed to keep it within our ICU limits and no new big outbreaks have occurred.
The deaths that keep rising are those dramatic stories of the elderly in care homes, who are far away from this somewhat 'open' society.

There is for example no known massacre among car mechanics or truck drivers while most car dealerships and transport companies in The Netherlands remained open.
Plus we only do the social distancing and very few people wear masks/gloves etc. . So if you have a country that pushes for masks in public places your results are probably even better.

[jorma]

Sweden never closed primary schools and we have better stats than denmark when it comes to that age group. Both countries have 0 deaths in the <19 age brackets though.

Keeping the schools open was probably the least controversial thing we did, and failing to protect the homes for the elderly the worst mistake.

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If nintex was admin Creepy Stalker would still be here

but I am still he... oh you meant the other guy 

[Nintex]

The UK ran out of *checks notes* gowns

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1251193050946297859

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1251124028359741447

So we reached the bug chaser part of the curve.

https://twitter.com/ASegals/status/1251153646655434752

Tweet deleted. 

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1250983840505630723

The next tweet full of Facebook comments dunking on them is even better:

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1251184623322882051

Now if only we could get these folks to vote for their best interests...

[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/south-koreas-ruling-party-wins-election-landslide-amid-coronavirus-outbreak

[Nintex]

 

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[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-this-pandemic-should-be-a-nationalist-dream-it-hasnt-worked-out-that/

[Ghoul]

lol the UK is fucked, they're now saying that one time use PPE can be used multiple times.....

My mum who is a front line nurse had Dominic Raab (acting PM) at work today

alas she was out, doing rounds in care homes but if she'd known he was coming in, she'd had told him to get rid of the health secretary as he's useless.

It's utter chaos, they need 150k to survive a weekend, yet there is only 50k PPE gowns to go around.

Nurses get paid shit here, and now it's like lol, just go to work with no protective gear. Fuck off.

Hancock is a fucking liar, and they clearly didn't prepare shit. We have factories waiting on dimensions so they can make them, but they've heard fuck all for over a month.

[Mandark]

I have actually read a lot of shit about coronavirus that informs my opinion. Nothing better to do right now. So today for instance, I was reading this article from professor John Ioannidis. Basically talking about how unreliable the data is for Covid-19, which is why we need to get large-scale testing under way to see exactly what we are dealing with.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

If you've read a lot about COVID19, maybe share a deeper cut than an article that Elon Musk tweeted out a month ago?

[Madrun Badrun]

Hope your mom stays safe.

[Nintex]

lol the UK is fucked, they're now saying that one time use PPE can be used multiple times.....

My mum who is a front line nurse had Dominic Raab (acting PM) at work today

alas she was out, doing rounds in care homes but if she'd known he was coming in, she'd had told him to get rid of the health secretary as he's useless.

It's utter chaos, they need 150k to survive a weekend, yet there is only 50k PPE gowns to go around.

Nurses get paid shit here, and now it's like lol, just go to work with no protective gear. Fuck off.

Hancock is a fucking liar, and they clearly didn't prepare shit. We have factories waiting on dimensions so they can make them, but they've heard fuck all for over a month.

It seems that the politicians across Europe didn't realize that they haven't yet shipped all the production to China.

A Dutch company had a production line for construction PPE's which could quite easily be converted to produce N95 masks and other healthcare items (he had already supplied such things in the past).
But the owner never got called back by the department of health so instead he had to close his business due to a lack of orders.

Plenty of stories like these all across Europe. Companies want to help out with the effort but either can't get passed certain regulations or can't get in touch with anyone who can arrange orders.
And if orders are arranged they sit idle waiting for instructions of specifications that never arrive.

[Ghoul]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/south-koreas-new-coronavirus-twist-recovered-patients-test-positive-again-11587145248

Fucking hell.

[Tripon]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/south-koreas-new-coronavirus-twist-recovered-patients-test-positive-again-11587145248

Fucking hell.

Yeah, seems like the coronavirus can basically lower itself to the point where a person can test negative within a 48 hour period and then flare up again. I don't think people are being re-infected, but I hope not.

[Occam]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/south-koreas-new-coronavirus-twist-recovered-patients-test-positive-again-11587145248

Fucking hell.

Yeah, if this happens frequently, we are screwed.

[Madrun Badrun]

Not really - it seems to be pretty rare or we would have noticed it before (and would be confirmed instead of speculated) - and we seem to be moving towards mass production within-an-hour tests which means we will be track 'recovered' cases much more closely and for longer periods into recovery. 

[Madrun Badrun]

What is up with the US mortality rate

95,723
Cases which had an outcome:
59,147 (62%)
Recovered / Discharged

36,576 (38%)
Deaths

[Ghoul]

What is up with the US mortality rate

95,723
Cases which had an outcome:
59,147 (62%)
Recovered / Discharged

36,576 (38%)
Deaths

And that's just hospital deaths

[Nintex]

What is up with the US mortality rate

95,723
Cases which had an outcome:
59,147 (62%)
Recovered / Discharged

36,576 (38%)
Deaths

And that's just hospital deaths

I'm disappointed at how poorly you've managed your death