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benjipwns

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31140 on: December 05, 2020, 05:44:33 PM »
They're mad because the other OT person only got a three day ban for this https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53240362
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User banned (3 days): Too defensive for such a sensitive thread.

Had we proudly announced that we would be acknowleding the transphobia in the OT of this game, we probably would have been accused of being performatively woke or something as at the end of the day, we're still working on the OT of this game.

Considering I haven't said anything on this particular topic until now, in my opinion it would have rung more genuine if you saw the OT and what we have been doing behind the scenes but it is what it is.

I've been lurking this thread ever since it went up, Android Sophia knows how I feel about all of this and Black Chamber has reiterated his support for this community over multiple posts. Sorry if this is a little bit blunt, but I can understand Black Chamber not wanting to engage both certain posts and certain posters after the way he's been treated. I don't log into Era every day to be interrogated about x, y, or z and I'm sure you don't either.

Black Chamber's comment of everyone being welcome makes perfect sense in the context of what we've been doing and that includes the Trans community. The fact that someone attempted to twist that into some All Lives Matter shite pissed me the fuck off, and I say that as someone who's Black.

It would do some of you wonders to assume we aren't coming into this with ill intentions. We've been caught between a rock and a hard place and dealing with it the best we can. This is our spare time after all, and people have lives to lead.

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53258677
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I know mods don't like when we question bans in posts, but since the ban is on a few pages ago and various people may wonder the same, I want to ask: if vestan had to be banned, and considering the reason they were, why only three days? It feels like the only thing this accomplishes is making them avoid posting here moving forward because they won't want to get banned again, and can simply be ready to talk about the game when it releases, as the ban will be lifted by then.

I don't know, I'll let the trans members say something about it, but it doesn't seem to help the community that needs to be heard.
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Vestal only getting three days is pretty laughable because they'll still be around for the game release. "Between a rock and a hard place" for creating an OT. Oh woe is them.
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...yeah, while we're talking bans that happened in here, not even just the length of it but also the reasoning- is "Too defensive for such a sensitive thread." really the angle to be taking on this post? I do not know if that's the problem I'd point to about a post where someone accuses trans people of being out to get them and claims that they need to understand how the OT creators feel (as if it wasn't an entirely voluntary position), while very clearly showing how little effort they've put into understanding trans users' feelings. What they said would be dismissive and insulting - and proof that after months, they still don't understand the situation they've very willingly put themselves in - in any thread.

Like mod action at all on that is certainly appreciated. I hope that's obvious. But I don't think that quite covers what down here, and it certainly did the opposite of reassuring me personally that the OT will be handled well if these 2 users are still involved. Not that I ever thought it would, but... y'know.
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This. Lemme find a nano-violin for this poor person trying to hype a video game that has repeatedly denigrated trans people in its marketing and advertised content. Does his being involved with the OT have any influence on his ban length, I wonder?

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31141 on: December 05, 2020, 05:44:45 PM »
They are really STILL playing the victim...after the mods repeatedly bend over backwards for them, day after day after day and despite the fact they shit on the mods when the mods dare slap their hands from time to time.

Wow. If today doesn't make people posting in the Cyberpunk OT put these lunatics on ignore, nothing will.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31142 on: December 05, 2020, 05:46:32 PM »
"Too defensive"!? WHAT!?

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31143 on: December 05, 2020, 05:49:52 PM »
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Yes. If ResetEra would not be so fast on calling people horrible stuff, it would enjoy a much higher reputation in other social networks like Twitter and thus, opinions of Era would be more heard. It's pretty logical.
When I can get out of my car with out a drunk man coming up to me and telling me they know what I am than maybe.

When I can go shopping with my SO and a male doesn’t comes up to my face and ask if this is really my Halloween costume maybe.

When I can go outside with out fear of being attacked or the knoweldge that half my fellow Americans voted for a fucking Nazi maybe.

These examples are not from my life time, they are from the last 60 days. When we are met with dodging and nonsense when we ask if someone will show us support for we and our allies have right to be fucking angry.

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These are the worst things you've experienced in the last 2 months of a fucking pandemic?

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31144 on: December 05, 2020, 05:50:08 PM »
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I have an internet friend that figured out she was trans through Azur Lane (so she says at least)

 :doge  :doge :doge

Wah

Don't ask me.  I know literally nothing about Azur Lane beyond them being boat girls, it being banned on Era, and the game having a lot of Hololive partnerships.

There is no male/trans characters outside of (probably) the player character (the commander). There is little to none talk about gender issues outside the typical “how I can be more feminine commander” throwaway lines for tomboy characters. At best, I heard that the Anime has some Yuri subtext.

I mean, there is a ton female fans of that game but is the first time I hear someone saying they figured out that they are trans from a waifu gacha franchise. This is not Wandering Son.

That is weird then.  I assumed there was an Astolfo-esque character who I know a lot of trans/nb people love.  Not gonna tell someone that they're wrong for whatever catalyst they had for figuring things out though.

Doesn't really change the fact that Era really only bans "safe" stuff, regardless of what marginalized groups feel about it, so the "but then people will have to talk about it in EVIL places!" mindset is super hypocritical. 

Also another amusing anecdote.  Literally the only people I know that like Nekopara are trans.  Of course this is only 2 people, so not exactly a big sample size, but yeah.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31145 on: December 05, 2020, 05:50:40 PM »
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At the very least, I think those who were making the Cyberpunk OT shouldn't be making it anymore. Have someone else do it or just have the moderation team make a simple one. There is a fine line between being an enthusiastic fan sharing the latest news and trailer and being someone who gives the appearance of a paid promoter. I think that line has been crossed. There was absolutely no reason to get into with the trans community here. It was something that could have easily been avoided but it's clear to me that some people here see criticisms of the game (which isn't even out yet) as personal attacks against them.

Give the OT to someone who isn't so personally and emotionally invested into the success of the game.
:doge

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31146 on: December 05, 2020, 05:52:24 PM »
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Also posting in support of Shiron. It needed to be said. It was hostile, but that hostility was fully earned by vestal.
:lol

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31147 on: December 05, 2020, 05:53:45 PM »
Solidarity to Shiron.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31148 on: December 05, 2020, 05:54:53 PM »
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At the very least, I think those who were making the Cyberpunk OT shouldn't be making it anymore. Have someone else do it or just have the moderation team make a simple one. There is a fine line between being an enthusiastic fan sharing the latest news and trailer and being someone who gives the appearance of a paid promoter. I think that line has been crossed. There was absolutely no reason to get into with the trans community here. It was something that could have easily been avoided but it's clear to me that some people here see criticisms of the game (which isn't even out yet) as personal attacks against them.

Give the OT to someone who isn't so personally and emotionally invested into the success of the game.
:doge

But...TransEra started it with Black Chamber. Who responded respectfully and was then repeatedly attacked.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31149 on: December 05, 2020, 05:55:48 PM »
"If you just shut up and take it, we wouldn't have a problem here!"  :doge

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31150 on: December 05, 2020, 05:56:00 PM »
But...TransEra started it with Black Chamber. Who responded respectfully and was then repeatedly attacked.
No, that may have been the order that events happened in, but the narrative is that Black Chamber attacked the trans community by requiring them to ask him about it and that's what counts.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31151 on: December 05, 2020, 05:59:34 PM »
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Shiron's tone may have been too much for some, but the content was passion, it was frustration, it was sadness and anger. The content was perfect and I stand with them too.

Conversely Vestans tone may have been "polite" (hint it wasn't) but the content was dreck, insulting and tone deaf, and yet one is a slap on the wrist the other is "to be decided".

"It would do some of you wonders to assume we aren't coming into this with ill intentions. We've been caught between a rock and a hard place and dealing with it the best we can. This is our spare time after all, and people have lives to lead. "

Then you have done a piss poor job of dealing with the only thing that truly matters, empathy with your fellow community members, lurking here, not engaging, and your co author refusing to answer a simple question. Doubtless there are tens if not hundreds of hours making it look shiny and PR enough.
:dead

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31152 on: December 05, 2020, 05:59:34 PM »
God the OT is going to be the mother of all shitfests  :rejoice

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« Reply #31153 on: December 05, 2020, 06:02:04 PM »
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Shiron's tone may have been too much for some, but the content was passion, it was frustration, it was sadness and anger. The content was perfect and I stand with them too.

Conversely Vestans tone may have been "polite" (hint it wasn't) but the content was dreck, insulting and tone deaf, and yet one is a slap on the wrist the other is "to be decided".

"It would do some of you wonders to assume we aren't coming into this with ill intentions. We've been caught between a rock and a hard place and dealing with it the best we can. This is our spare time after all, and people have lives to lead. "

Then you have done a piss poor job of dealing with the only thing that truly matters, empathy with your fellow community members, lurking here, not engaging, and your co author refusing to answer a simple question. Doubtless there are tens if not hundreds of hours making it look shiny and PR enough.
:dead

Era suddenly having a problem with hype threads and such. I also guess being fine with a ban on the OT the day after the game releases plus making sure to highlight the rage CDPR has against trans people in the OT isn't showing empathy or anything.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31154 on: December 05, 2020, 06:02:21 PM »
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if I were running a gaming forum predicated on being a progressive and safe space for people I would simply not bend over backwards in every possible way to ensure we could have a massive PR-styled official thread for a game that has repeatedly shown to dehumanize transgender people
Now where would one get the idea that ResetERA.com is a gaming forum predicated on this? :teehee

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« Reply #31155 on: December 05, 2020, 06:06:49 PM »
i'm behind the curve but when did the game show itself to repeatedly dehumanize trans people? i thought we were still waiting for hobbes' review ???
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31156 on: December 05, 2020, 06:17:16 PM »
i'm behind the curve but when did the game show itself to repeatedly dehumanize trans people? i thought we were still waiting for hobbes' review ???

You don't see it?  It literally wants them dead.

"If you just shut up and take it, we wouldn't have a problem here!"  :doge

But don't shut up too much.  They see you and know that not responding is a tactic to incite and ban bait them.
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31157 on: December 05, 2020, 06:21:38 PM »
I love the "you can always just put people on ignore" comments I've seen here and there. Someone literally did this to Kyuuji when they said they didn't see the stickied thread last month and it sent TransEra into a rage.

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« Reply #31158 on: December 05, 2020, 06:26:19 PM »
i'm behind the curve but when did the game show itself to repeatedly dehumanize trans people? i thought we were still waiting for hobbes' review ???
Uh, the ad. Did you not see the ad? Transphobia is INTEGRAL to the game.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31159 on: December 05, 2020, 06:29:21 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53260840
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I hope it’s just a coincidence and we’re not actually factoring game release dates into ban lengths for people talking down to the trans community.
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Shiron was banned for 2 weeks.
Then Vestan's ban should equal that. The passive-aggressive ☮ should have earned them a harsher ban than 3 days alone, not even getting into the text of their post.
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Shiron will be taking a two week ban, as his post was in violation of the thread rules in addition to being an escalation on previous priors. By his own admission he knew he was breaking the rules and knew he would be banned.

Vestan's duration has nothing to do with the OT's release date (he will still be banned when the OT goes up).
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A slap on the wrist for someone who would rather look "neutral" than back up basic human rights? And two weeks for the person calling them out on their bullshit behavior? Staff definitely have their priorities straight.

Fuck Vestan and fuck Black Chamber
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I sure hope this isn't going to go like back in the situation which led to the Constructive Community Discussion thread being made. Where the ones refusing to acknowledge the issues minorities on this site run into get a slap on the wrist and the people actually targeted or calling it out got duration pending bans that end up being longer.

And with that I mean I very much think that's how it's going to go in the long run, would be pleasantly surprised if not. It's astounding to me how much Asian, Muslim, and now Trans Communities have to endure on here given that this forum is supposed to be a safe space.
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only 3 days for someone who decided to take a big shit in a thread regarding transphobia is a bad look
I feel sorry for all the marginalized groups on this website who have to walk on eggshells around bigots because they'll get punished as much if not more as evidenced in this thread.
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Oh thank goodness, I was really concerned that his being involved in the OT was the reason for the short ban. Turns out it's just because coming into a thread about trans issues to paint yourself as the real victim is only worth a slap on the wrist instead. Thanks for the clarification.
:lol free shots at the mods time

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31160 on: December 05, 2020, 06:30:19 PM »
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So if the inclusion of trans representation in the OT was planned the whole time (per the mod post in that thread), then Black Chamber needlessly prodded the trans community with dismissive non answers to the simple question because????
:dead

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31161 on: December 05, 2020, 06:33:21 PM »
"EVERYONE is welcome in the OT" = prodding the ones attacking them, apparently

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« Reply #31162 on: December 05, 2020, 06:34:40 PM »
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A slap on the wrist for someone who would rather look "neutral" than back up basic human rights? And two weeks for the person calling them out on their bullshit behavior? Staff definitely have their priorities straight.

Fuck Vestan and fuck Black Chamber
Guess it wasn't free shots at the mods time, they did ban this guy: https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53260939
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User banned (permanent): History of hostility to members and staff, just returned from 3 month ban, was on a final warning

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« Reply #31163 on: December 05, 2020, 06:35:34 PM »
They upgraded vestan's ban too!
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User banned (1 week): Too defensive for such a sensitive thread.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31164 on: December 05, 2020, 06:39:35 PM »
what the fuck is going on

how many man hours have been spent

talking about the op creator                                        about how he responded to trans-concerned posters                                                                                and how others responded to the people who responded to him                                                                                                                        regarding a single thread                                                                                                                                                                for a single video game                                                                                                                                                                                                        by one of many video game companies                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                localized entirely within a couple weeks at the end of 2020


in two years people will be saying "oh yeah I think I remember that game it was pretty neat"
Uncle

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31165 on: December 05, 2020, 06:44:53 PM »
what the fuck is going on

how many man hours have been spent

(Image removed from quote.)talking about the op creator(Image removed from quote.)                                        about how he responded to trans-concerned posters(Image removed from quote.)                                                                                and how others responded to the people who responded to him(Image removed from quote.)                                                                                                                        regarding a single thread(Image removed from quote.)                                                                                                                                                                for a single video game(Image removed from quote.)                                                                                                                                                                                                        by one of many video game companies(Image removed from quote.)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                localized entirely within a couple weeks at the end of 2020


in two years people will be saying "oh yeah I think I remember that game it was pretty neat"

Imagine their rage when the game sells like hotcakes  :lawd

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« Reply #31166 on: December 05, 2020, 06:45:10 PM »
I wish ketkat was alive to see this :(

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« Reply #31167 on: December 05, 2020, 06:52:39 PM »
LOL at all these allies prostrating themselves and catching bans while the trans members go unscathed.
Oi Oi

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31168 on: December 05, 2020, 06:55:18 PM »
You know instead of banning Cyberpunk it might be time to ban Trans Era.

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« Reply #31169 on: December 05, 2020, 06:55:43 PM »
lol at peeps immediately returning to normal and even "daring" to continue to not bend the knee

you'd think they'd realize that people don't give a fuck about them at this point

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« Reply #31170 on: December 05, 2020, 06:59:28 PM »
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A slap on the wrist for someone who would rather look "neutral" than back up basic human rights? And two weeks for the person calling them out on their bullshit behavior? Staff definitely have their priorities straight.

Fuck Vestan and fuck Black Chamber
Guess it wasn't free shots at the mods time, they did ban this guy: https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53260939
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User banned (permanent): History of hostility to members and staff, just returned from 3 month ban, was on a final warning
https://www.resetera.com/threads/watch-dogs-legion-playstation-5-vs-xbox-series-x-series-s-graphics-performance-ray-tracing.333395/page-3#post-52542074
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« Reply #31171 on: December 05, 2020, 07:02:30 PM »
You know instead of banning Cyberpunk it might be time to ban Trans Era.

The community was a shit show since Gaf days, but they are as protected as BCT si never is gonna happen.

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« Reply #31172 on: December 05, 2020, 07:02:50 PM »
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I would really want to know BlackChamber's response is why he through multiple posts of people asking him to confirm if it would be in the OT, why despite trans members get more upset did he consistantly be vague? It was through multiple posts

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53261842

He repeatedly chose not to say something ban worthy to us.  Why don't the mods do something about this?


Also, is there some alt-right association to this?    I don't get why they are having a conniption fit over what I assumed just meant "many," or "lots."
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« Reply #31173 on: December 05, 2020, 07:03:12 PM »
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And now the other thread is a bunch of people thanking Black Chamber for doing the bare minimum after antagonizing the trans community.

This site is a fucking joke.
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I've said this before, but regardless of the justification given for any other thread being allowed: I would certainly hope that that the review thread, a thread where people obsess over how uncritical reviewers are, would be banned. Because if you aren't, you're going to need to as soon as a review brings up their transphobia and/or racism anyway, given how people will react. Particularly if it has a score.

Review threads already invite gross behavior on a regular basis, but this one particularly so.
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Yeah. Can anyone from the management team clarify if a review thread will be allowed?

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« Reply #31174 on: December 05, 2020, 07:04:01 PM »
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Okay, I just had this shower thought:

I haven't seen any advertisement in the game that is objectifying male or female appearing characters.

I am gonna confirm this, but it seems REALLY odd that I can't remember seeing those, and I would expect that if they are going to do the manticore posters, they are going to do the same thing with others, right? Time to look into this.
:lol great journalism hobbes

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« Reply #31175 on: December 05, 2020, 07:05:10 PM »
i'd like to again register my extreme disappointment that CDPR would continue to sexualize milfs.
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« Reply #31176 on: December 05, 2020, 07:05:21 PM »
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Yeah. Can anyone from the management team clarify if a review thread will be allowed?
:lol
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31177 on: December 05, 2020, 07:09:59 PM »
Their anger with Black Chamber is like when a guy puts up his hands and backs away and some Karen yells "Rape!  Rape!  Rape!"
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31178 on: December 05, 2020, 07:10:41 PM »
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And now everyone's just replying in there as if nothing happened.
:yikes

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31179 on: December 05, 2020, 07:13:01 PM »
Mods need to grow some balls and just ban the game or ban TransEra.  :-*

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31180 on: December 05, 2020, 07:13:11 PM »
lol Black Chamber returns and only responds to the posts thanking him.

dude has to be doing this on purpose at this point lol.

they are going to be so maaaad

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31181 on: December 05, 2020, 07:14:55 PM »
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I am extremely disappointed at the reactions I'm seeing in this thread. Not surprised, though. The OT creators didn't need to worry about being called performatively woke.

This thread, all the other OTs and hype threads... All of that show that ResetEra is, indeed, performatively woke.

This place was originally created as a form of support for marginalized groups. But what kind of support is that when you allow anything that is polite enough to thrive here, no matter how much it hurts minorities?

I'm not trans, but I do not feel safe here. Multiple marginalized members do not feel safe here. Is this the place you wanted it to be? Unsafe for the same people who felt unsafe in the old place?

It's sad, hurtful, frustrating, and disappointing.
:hmph
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This is 100% how I feel as well.

Yes continue to shit up everything bois :rash
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31182 on: December 05, 2020, 07:15:42 PM »
You don't need to ban TransEra because they all say they'll just leave if Cyberpunk isn't banned. Problem solves itself. As long as they're telling the truth of course and I don't know why anyone would think they aren't posting in good faith...

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31183 on: December 05, 2020, 07:16:38 PM »
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Seeing the main thread is already back to just willfully and obviously ignoring everything remotely negative and just pretending the posts, and trans Era members, don't exist or aren't noteworthy in any way, shape or form:

How on Earth do you, mods and admins, STILL think your plan of closing the OT for one whole day and then continueing this giant mess as per usual will do ANYTHING but drive away trans members and allies? Can you actually tell me to my face that you think this is a good idea? Are you really saying "yes game bad, but it's more important than the tiny trans community that's being completely ridiculed and ignored by handling this game this way? I just don't get it. Wasn't Era built on inclusivity and support of minority groups? Is there, like, a size requirement of these groups that has to be weighted against the size of a particular offensive game's audience? Do you not see what's going on right now?

Or, tl;dr, how do you actually, in clear words, justify putting advertisement for this game, that is very clearly attacking trans people and other minorities over the happiness of said minorities, in particular obviously the trans community, while still insisting to frame Era as being honestly inclusive and welcoming?

I don't even want to start an argument, I honestly do not get it. You MUST see how bad all of this is. I don't expect a real answer to this, but I still have som

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31184 on: December 05, 2020, 07:17:02 PM »
The moment that they ban TransEra is the moment they lost any leftie woke gamer support that they had.
That is not a lot, mind you, I don’t remember another Gamergate esque controversy outside Ion Fury.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31185 on: December 05, 2020, 07:17:08 PM »
They should just start bombing every thread until the mods ban Cyberpunk. :rash

Fight the good fight TransEra :salute


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This hits the nail on the head for me. I just don't understand how you can allow that sort of thing and it's happened before with other communities within Era that have had large portions of their population bail because this place continually fails to provide a safe space. In the case of CP2077, I am not a trans person myself and the attitude here is getting to me. I can't imagine what it would be like to be a trans person trying to feel heard and welcomed right now, and for those in here still trying you are crazy strong.
:rofl
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31186 on: December 05, 2020, 07:19:25 PM »
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This hits the nail on the head for me. I just don't understand how you can allow that sort of thing and it's happened before with other communities within Era that have had large portions of their population bail because this place continually fails to provide a safe space.
Demand the impossible, be surprised when it doesn't happen.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31187 on: December 05, 2020, 07:19:55 PM »
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Well, I don't know if this belongs here but as an asexual, I'm not too excited about the fact that there is a sex scene that's apparently required in the main story. It's rather...minor compared to the transphobia but also...yick.
:lol
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31188 on: December 05, 2020, 07:20:14 PM »
The moment that they ban TransEra is the moment they lost any leftie woke gamer support that they had.
That is not a lot, mind you, I don’t remember another Gamergate esque controversy outside Ion Fury.

would improve the board 100%.

There needs to be a zone between GAF EUGENICS OR BUST nature and Era's ANYONE WHO DISSAGREES IS A NAZI.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31189 on: December 05, 2020, 07:20:39 PM »
Xaszatm sees a popular thread not about them: https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53264980
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Well, I don't know if this belongs here but as an asexual, I'm not too excited about the fact that there is a sex scene that's apparently required in the main story. It's rather...minor compared to the transphobia but also...yick.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31190 on: December 05, 2020, 07:21:32 PM »
Xaszatm sees a popular thread not about them: https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53264980
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Well, I don't know if this belongs here but as an asexual, I'm not too excited about the fact that there is a sex scene that's apparently required in the main story. It's rather...minor compared to the transphobia but also...yick.

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yeah I also saw that in the spoiler thread. Made me feel real uneasy, that stuff should 100% not be part of a required step in any main story
:lol
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31191 on: December 05, 2020, 07:22:13 PM »
They should just start bombing every thread until the mods ban Cyberpunk. :rash

Fight the good fight TransEra :salute


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This hits the nail on the head for me. I just don't understand how you can allow that sort of thing and it's happened before with other communities within Era that have had large portions of their population bail because this place continually fails to provide a safe space. In the case of CP2077, I am not a trans person myself and the attitude here is getting to me. I can't imagine what it would be like to be a trans person trying to feel heard and welcomed right now, and for those in here still trying you are crazy strong.
:rofl

Crazy strong enough to demand a guy be banned whose biggest offense is that his pro-trans support isn't in the correct style
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31192 on: December 05, 2020, 07:23:24 PM »
are you fucking kidding me

yes THANK you for the support

i can't lol
cross-thread drama :wag

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31193 on: December 05, 2020, 07:24:24 PM »
The moment that they ban TransEra is the moment they lost any leftie woke gamer support that they had.
That is not a lot, mind you, I don’t remember another Gamergate esque controversy outside Ion Fury.

would improve the board 100%.

There needs to be a zone between GAF EUGENICS OR BUST nature and Era's ANYONE WHO DISSAGREES IS A NAZI.

Would be great, but I don't think it's possible with this level of mental illness/trolls. At least it's entertaining to watch. OT gonna be lit.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31194 on: December 05, 2020, 07:24:47 PM »
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I have never felt more mute or unwelcome than the posts immediately following the reopening of this thread.

"THANKS OP, HYPE!!!" without a hint of introspection or empathy, made me sad to be a member.
never?

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31195 on: December 05, 2020, 07:25:40 PM »
Xaszatm sees a popular thread not about them: https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53264980
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Well, I don't know if this belongs here but as an asexual, I'm not too excited about the fact that there is a sex scene that's apparently required in the main story. It's rather...minor compared to the transphobia but also...yick.

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yeah I also saw that in the spoiler thread. Made me feel real uneasy, that stuff should 100% not be part of a required step in any main story

 :awesome

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31196 on: December 05, 2020, 07:26:01 PM »
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Well, I don't know if this belongs here but as an asexual, I'm not too excited about the fact that there is a sex scene that's apparently required in the main story. It's rather...minor compared to the transphobia but also...yick.
:lol

 :nsfw
https://godofwar.fandom.com/wiki/Topless_Women

 :yuck

ban all sony games
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31197 on: December 05, 2020, 07:27:14 PM »
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Genuinely asking: what makes you feel "unsafe" about being here?
Genuine concerns coming from marginalized people are being ignored, dismissed, buried, and even attacked by other members. As long as the tone is considered polite, nothing happens to those causing such harm. At that point, others and I can't help but wonder if we truly have a place here if we want to talk about these issues and not just the fun aspects of gaming. Except that we joined this forum with the promise that this would be encouraged.

I think it's okay to be excited about a game. I also think it's important to show empathy, give space, and support people being hurt by this game and the company behind it. The latter isn't happening at all. People are just trying to silence genuine concerns by showing support to the OT creators and hyping the game infinitely. The message is clear: "we don't want that kind of talk in this thread."

And the OP's response to what is happening is a perfect example of what I just described. That's why we feel unsafe and unwelcomed.
UNSAFE

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31198 on: December 05, 2020, 07:27:58 PM »
I don’t think being asexual should be find sex icky by default. Didn’t other user said he was asexual but masturbated daily and had many kinks?

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #31199 on: December 05, 2020, 07:28:33 PM »
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About as tone deaf as you could get.
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All that back slapping camaraderie, makes me physically ill.