Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[Boredfrom]

Is the staff dumb enough to get another mod from TransEra after SweetNicole and Robin/KetKat shitshows? The fact that they still entertain TransEra at all is already playing Russian Roulette.

[BIONIC]

Frankly, after multiple botched patch jobs, the mod team would just be spitting in the community's face by denying upgrading 1 or 2 of you up to mods.

Sophia’s tag says ‘On Break’ now btw.

Edit:
Wait, she came back already 

[VomKriege]

The nightmare never ends.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/it-starts-with-you.339166/

Hey ResetERA,

I usually lurk and chime in from to time. I would love to be a more active poster, but I generally do not believe I have anything of substance to add.

But, this is not why I sit here typing this right now.

This year has been rough on many of us for a variety of reasons. Some of our loved ones did not make it. Some of the members of this very community did not make it. And some others are struggling with physical health, mental health, or both.

I believe that this site's original premise was an inclusive place to discuss games and other topics of interest. It started from a very public meltdown in NeoGAF, and many of us distanced ourselves from that to build something new. Something better.

But, it seems we have learned nothing. Or very little at least. We’ve become a parody of ourselves. How many times have we thought ourselves superior to that place, or even to people outside this bubble?

This year alone, we have had countless threads highlighting how certain members of ERA are treated, and how some topics are brushed under the rug.

Off the top of my head:
Racism
Transphobia
Bigotry
Sexism
Ableism
And I am sure there are others that I have missed.

We are rightly mocked because we fail at self-moderation, we routinely fail at discussing sensitive topics constructively, and we fail at growth. This isn’t a case of some bad apples spoiling the bunch. It has become somewhat normalized (to varying degrees).

I do not expect us to be completely infallible, and paragons of fairness, justice, and so on at every single turn. I, myself, was banned for the first time on how to address people in a group: “hey guys”, vs. “hey all”. On the surface, it does seem insignificant, but it does affect how someone feels.

At the time, I struggled to understand my ban. Partly, because I juggle many languages. Partly because I deal with many that do not have English as a first, second, or even their language. I don’t necessarily expect them to understand the nuances from the get-go, especially in light of the culture they come from.

My ban finished, and I sat and read through more replies and understood where I went wrong. And when dealing with someone learning English, I have adjusted how to get them to address groups appropriately. It wasn’t hard.

Is it difficult to just shut up and listen? Is it difficult to try and understand what people who are different from you go through? If the answer to any of these is yes (to you), what is difficult about it?

There have been countless work done by members here to shed light on issues that concern them (and others). I often see these important threads slowly fall from the first page, and into the deep dark corners of the forum. Hell, I’ll tell you that as a Black African man, there is far more to be done about talking about African issues. But, I have learned to pick my battles because I am exhausted. I highly commend those here who keep fighting the good fight in an effort to bring positive and sustainable change. And this is important because this is one of the most popular gaming forums on the internet.

On a good day here:
I pick up life protip;
Learn about an issue I never realized before;
Discover a hidden gem
Laugh at some of the hilarious memes that have become a fabric of this community, or the ridiculous threads that show up on the weekend.

What was usually joyous, has been replaced with a sense of sadness and disappointment.

We’re years into the experiment, and if anything…this place feels like a long-lost sequel to the old place. It sucks, and as much as we say we want to do better, we keep messing it up when it counts.

“The performatively woke person takes up a lot of space. The ally makes space. It’s a crucial difference.” - Eric Peterson.

[team filler]

 

[BIONIC]

On a good day here:
Laugh at some of the hilarious memes that have become a fabric of this community, or the ridiculous threads that show up on the weekend.

This is the worst thing I’ve ever read.

[benjipwns]

Meanwhile, the daily suicide thread...

https://www.resetera.com/threads/toxic-positivity-is-the-worst.339088/

Fourth,

what the hell is the talk in the OP about never being good enough and no one being desperate enough to like you?

OP, have you. . .have you been on some kind of incel forum? Because that absolutely smacks of the kind of rhetoric batted around in those environments.

ummmm

[team filler]

[benjipwns]

Speaking of incels, the Cyberpunk thread from incelsiorlef's post on is almost entirely about nothing but the game for almost an entire page now:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/cyberpunk-2077-night-city-wire-episode-5-ot-time-moves-in-one-direction-memory-in-another-media-impressions-console-footage-discussion.328655/post-53288173

Credit to the mods for their great work quelling this rebellion by doing nothing and letting the instigators all go to sleep.

[BIONIC]

I’m ashamed to admit that I’ve been part of an incel community for over 3 years now. It’s called www.resetera.com and it’s terrible.

[benjipwns]

stay safe

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I propose the official theme song for all resettis standing between the lines and just talking about the game

transera theme

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

That's not a real option. Constant politeness in the face of apathy, microaggressions, trolling, doesn't accomplish anything. It just burns people out and drives them away. The effort has to be made by everyone, even outside of the community. If we see stuff like what went down here tonight we can't play the both sides were equally at fault card.

The OP and people who congratulated them actively hurt a group of marginalized posters today, and has likely driven many of them away from this site. They had their concerns dismissed and ignored. This thread should not have been reopened the way it was. Meanwhile trans members were being trolled in a thread that was specifically made to educate people about CDPR's transphobia. You can't expect people to take that and not be frustrated, to not be hurt, to not be human.

Literally amazing to play the "im. so. tired. of being polite" card when Black Chambers response to an orchestrated dogpile aimed directly and personally at him has been 🙏 I love you all 💯 with the end result its made them look like a bunch of unreasonable bullying assholes, and thats what they're now mad about 

[BIONIC]

stay safe

Fuck offf with your toxic positivity.

[benjipwns]

Have the mods considered doing their job for once? It'd be nice if they didn't hide behind their token trans mods, either. this is cowardly and I'd be fucking ashamed if I was this incompetent. Black Chamber is such an obvious shill AND he's breaking the rules of the forum under your noses. What gives, are you scared of retaliation? Don't want to lose that fat stack from the traffic? C'mon, just tell the truth.

[Averon]

Have the mods considered doing their job for once? It'd be nice if they didn't hide behind their token trans mods, either. this is cowardly and I'd be fucking ashamed if I was this incompetent. Black Chamber is such an obvious shill AND he's breaking the rules of the forum under your noses. What gives, are you scared of retaliation? Don't want to lose that fat stack from the traffic? C'mon, just tell the truth.

 

STOP HIDING BEHIND THE TOKEN TRANS MODS, B-DUBS.

[benjipwns]

and now the thread is business as usual, the cycle continues until the next thing some member/ CDPR does against the Trans community that will get people angry for a little bit until the massive sea of “ HYYYYYPE” posts drown them out.So disappointing

STOP POSTING ABOUT THINGS I DON'T WANT YOU TO POST ABOUT

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/twitch-removes-blind-playthrough-tag-after-disability-criticism.338899/

alright, who told them?

[benjipwns]

I have mostly stayed out of this debacle, but I will say this: a forum can't survive having its marginalized communities blow up every few months because they are ignored, condescended to, sidelined, and banned for speaking truth to power. The changes that need to be made have to be drastic and systemic for it to work. Once is bad enough, but this has happened again, and again, and again.

More needs to be done than pleasantries and a rearrangement of the guard. Much, much more.

Seize the means of forum production comrade!

[SmokyDave]

At this point I would honestly suggest that Black Chamber be banned, CDPR and Cyberpunk chat should be banned outside of criticism, and then let the chips fall where they may. Just for once, actually stand for something. Even if it’s something spiteful and pointless.

[benjipwns]

Just for once, actually stand for something.

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-60#post-53292754

Okay, so I know I said I was done posting here and I know this post isn't even directed at me, but.....

 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Like a lot of folks, been lurking these threads for a bit now, but given how things have gone tonight, just wanted to speak up to voice solidarity with TransEra. Hope that mods can see through the empty calls for civlity and take solid action to re-affirm the value of marginalized members of this community.

Editor-in-Chief at Waypoint?
What's waypoint? Some venture capitalist firm according to google

[Snoopycat_]

The Ree trans meltdowns and rage fits are probably more entertaining than the game

[Yulwei]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/it-starts-with-you.339166/

Hey ResetERA,

I usually lurk and chime in from to time. I would love to be a more active poster, but I generally do not believe I have anything of substance to add.

But, this is not why I sit here typing this right now.

This year has been rough on many of us for a variety of reasons. Some of our loved ones did not make it. Some of the members of this very community did not make it. And some others are struggling with physical health, mental health, or both.

I believe that this site's original premise was an inclusive place to discuss games and other topics of interest. It started from a very public meltdown in NeoGAF, and many of us distanced ourselves from that to build something new. Something better.

But, it seems we have learned nothing. Or very little at least. We’ve become a parody of ourselves. How many times have we thought ourselves superior to that place, or even to people outside this bubble?

This year alone, we have had countless threads highlighting how certain members of ERA are treated, and how some topics are brushed under the rug.

Off the top of my head:
Racism
Transphobia
Bigotry
Sexism
Ableism
And I am sure there are others that I have missed.

We are rightly mocked because we fail at self-moderation, we routinely fail at discussing sensitive topics constructively, and we fail at growth. This isn’t a case of some bad apples spoiling the bunch. It has become somewhat normalized (to varying degrees).

I do not expect us to be completely infallible, and paragons of fairness, justice, and so on at every single turn. I, myself, was banned for the first time on how to address people in a group: “hey guys”, vs. “hey all”. On the surface, it does seem insignificant, but it does affect how someone feels.

At the time, I struggled to understand my ban. Partly, because I juggle many languages. Partly because I deal with many that do not have English as a first, second, or even their language. I don’t necessarily expect them to understand the nuances from the get-go, especially in light of the culture they come from.

My ban finished, and I sat and read through more replies and understood where I went wrong. And when dealing with someone learning English, I have adjusted how to get them to address groups appropriately. It wasn’t hard.

Is it difficult to just shut up and listen? Is it difficult to try and understand what people who are different from you go through? If the answer to any of these is yes (to you), what is difficult about it?

There have been countless work done by members here to shed light on issues that concern them (and others). I often see these important threads slowly fall from the first page, and into the deep dark corners of the forum. Hell, I’ll tell you that as a Black African man, there is far more to be done about talking about African issues. But, I have learned to pick my battles because I am exhausted. I highly commend those here who keep fighting the good fight in an effort to bring positive and sustainable change. And this is important because this is one of the most popular gaming forums on the internet.

On a good day here:
I pick up life protip;
Learn about an issue I never realized before;
Discover a hidden gem
Laugh at some of the hilarious memes that have become a fabric of this community, or the ridiculous threads that show up on the weekend.

What was usually joyous, has been replaced with a sense of sadness and disappointment.

We’re years into the experiment, and if anything…this place feels like a long-lost sequel to the old place. It sucks, and as much as we say we want to do better, we keep messing it up when it counts.

“The performatively woke person takes up a lot of space. The ally makes space. It’s a crucial difference.” - Eric Peterson.

this forum that is the laughing stock of the internet due to its hysterical social justice warriors is not woke enough. gentlemen, we gotta get more woke.

[Yulwei]

I come to resetera mostly about gaming news and also to read people different opinions about my hobby but honestly don't feel like participating/ posting much anymore cause whenever an post is not aligned to people's liking you get attacked or outed as a monster for not contributing to a cause. (And it starting to feel more general, not Cyberpunk/CDPR specific)

I'm surprised people that are doing OT out of their own free time are getting attacked especially after welcoming everyone. And the Vestan ban?! I'm sorry but they owe you, me or anyone else for that matter anything.

A previous poster said that they don't feel safe here anymore well I'll equally say that it doesn't feel "safe" here for wanting to discuss about Cyberpunk without engaging into taking a stance against CDPR. I put the quotes around the word safe cause we are on a forum after all, and far bigger issues out there in the world than getting banned and shut out from discussion.

My post here will be considered "a bad/awful take" Iike most of the replies nowadays and I'll probably be banned too for saying as much but hopefully all parties can keep it civil in the future. How about you all respect one another?

He wants to talk about video games in the video games forum. Ban this fucking bigot

You drawing any kind of equivalence between you being free to discuss CP2077 without fear of criticism and the concerns of a constantly maligned group that's being exploited and dehumanized by said game is just mind boggling. You don't seem to truly understand the first thing about the issue or even really what making a place a safe space is.

Games are not more important than people.

Should mention that to all of the Kyuuji types who have been railing against the game and CDPR for so long but still fully intend to buy and play the game 

[headwalk]

how would you describe the style of writing that every RE OP conforms to? nerd histrionics? asperger monologuing?

[HardcoreRetro]

What are they even complaining about. They can't even see the damn tag.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

how would you describe the style of writing that every RE OP conforms to? nerd histrionics? asperger monologuing?

malignant narcissism

[BisMarckie]

Yeah I got time today....

What a pathetic situation overall. I’ve been monitoring and watching it slowly devolve into the shitshow that’s currently taking place over this game on this forum and it’s nothing short of embarrassing.

I’ve been listening and reading and now I’m ready to speak.

There was nothing difficult about finding a solution to the origin of this fallout. The problem is that some of you just don’t fucking care. Everyone involved would have a much easier time if the actors involved would just admit that instead of putting on this fake as fuck “ally” mask charade and then turning it to a victim complex.

It’s annoying as hell because the solutions were so easy, the fact people listed them in this thread proves it didn’t take a speck of brain power to come up with them, just an ounce of actually giving a damn.

1. Start the OT thread with a “A Word from Kyujii/TransERA. You already reserve posts in the an OT thread to set up your graphic formatting, right?

Oh so you have space.. put a goddamn forward to frame the situation. If you can’t write it, someone from TransERA would have no problems doing that for you. Add a link that goes back to Kyujiis thread for reference. This is completed in one fucking PM

2. Ask a mod to add a Staff Comm with a brief detail that can link back to the OT Forward and Kyujiis Thread. This is completed in one fucking PM

What is so damn difficult about that? Why could it not be agreed to on the first ask? That’s why this all blew up, because it was the most basic bottom line olive branch one could do and it was met with political non answer bullshit. That shows character and intent. It’s clear as day that something so small bothered Chamber so much, but yet some wanna come after the fact and say this was always the plan.

Theres 0 reason why it couldnt be agreed to in public outside of just lack of interest. It’s a goddamn Video Game OT, not some NDA contract with barred info till release day like BC wants to pretend it is.

And then people want to parade his “effort” like it’s some hard job requiring sacrifice. Get real. You’re a fan on a forum like the rest of us.

CDPR isn’t over Chamber’s shoulder beating him with a stick to make a hype train. Let alone the fact that if he didn’t do it, it’s not like it would never exist seeing this is one of the biggest releases in a long time for the industry. He chose to do this on his own. And the reality is, he chose to do it for a game in which both the game and the developers have a shit track record towards TransFolk. You can’t just ignore that. It’s baked into the product. So I’m not understanding why the thought process is “La La La, I wanna enjoy the game”

The game marginalizes and exploits Transpeople for its setting. This shit doesn’t exist in a bubble. Far too many people base their shitty worldviews off media they consume, and damaging portrayals of TransPeople only helps to further that marginalization and discrimination they already face.

It doesn’t even make sense from a self preservation angle. This game will be parsed through with a fine tooth comb. If there are more examples of Transphobia or even Racism.. this little nerd party definitely won’t have a pot to piss in nor a leg to stand on in regards to criticism. (One could argue they already don’t)

Why in the hell would you not try to jump in front it? Why not acknowledge the problems that are there and pledge to create a dialogue to counter those issues? That’s why this shit blew up, because some just dont fucking care

The victim complex being developed over this is fucking laughable.

“I wanna enjoy the game!”

You already are and it’s not even out yet. You comb every fucking site for every speck and crumb of information for this game. You watch every video. You joined your CP Discord server (which that’s where y’all will be during the Launch Day OT Ban, you’re most likely complaining about this situation now in there) You preordered the Collectors Edition, You preloaded the game. You will obsess over the Review Scores, and whine endlessly about outlets that score low...

Where the fuck are you not enjoying the game?

Oh, it’s when People remind you about CDPRs shitty behavior and conduct, that’s when you feel not allowed to enjoy the game.

What a fucking joke, that’s transphobic as fuck to even dare make that statement. To even try to simulate oppression over being reminded that a video game you enjoy has shitty hurtful elements.

So many posters in this thread come across as baby shit soft. TransFolk live their lives on a daily basis with constant threats of outright Violence and Murder, Fetishization, Lack of Access to Medical Care, Discrimination, Ostracization not just from greater society but their own racial groups even. Quite simply damn near hated by everyone..

but y’all have the gall to whine about your entertainment being ruined over a real discussion?

A lot of you clearly wouldn’t last a fucking day in the life of a transgender person.

Im not Trans. I don’t have to be to fucking give a shit about their plight. I don’t subscribe to this “ally” bullshit y’all love so much. I’m a part of the fight. I’m a part of the struggle for TransPeople to be seen and heard. I listen when I need to listen, I will speak when I need to speak. I don’t talk over or talk for TransPeople, I echo them. And if one day I ever get it wrong, I will damn well make sure I don’t ever make that fucking mistake again.

My only suggestion to TransERA, if anything, is that they are being TOO NICE. They spoke too obvious off site trolls at face value and good faith. They have constantly controlled their language to make the discussion more tolerable. They reached their hand out and some of you spat in it. You actually tried to take them for fools. And some of you had the fucking nerve to even go ahead and try to tone police them further. Absolutely utter bullshit.

I’m incensed over this shit, I hate seeing bigotry and the apathy over it with every fiber of my being. It’s this lack of giving a fuck that leads to these situations in the first place. And the Gaming “Community” is full of this shit.

Gaming is not a little white boys club anymore (it never was). The industry and its patrons will continue to become more and more diverse. If studios and game products don’t want to account for that, expect more “criticism” and “outrage”. That “duck your head and stay in your lan bullshit is over. People will speak out. This entire forum is based off that concept but clearly for some it’s a pick and choose thing. Y’all wanna scream about game pricing and dlc controversies, but bury your head in the sand over shit that affects real people

Fuck all of that.

It’s situations like this that make people not want to associate with being a “Gamer”. There’s just too many people who portray themselves with infantile understanding, obsessive consumerism and absolute lack of empathy to make any association with that word appealing.

When will y’all actually mature into adults? Call me when that happens

Everyone is welcome to do so 💯
 

[Klelk]

These nibbas really spending their weekend writing word salads about this and feeling unsafe on the most overmoderated forum online 

[HaughtyFrank]

How can they keep bitching about feeling unsafe or not welcome when they try their fucking hardest to drive people like black chamber away .

They even banned the other guy who tried to explain why Black Chamber felt hesitant to engage with those loonies

[Yulwei]

Being an adult is about having meltdowns on internet video game forums 

[Averon]

Looks like they've switched goals from getting Black Chamber banned to having his CP 2077 OT making privileges taken away. These are the same people, by the way, who were (and still are) bad mouthing the mods just yesterday. Anything to hurt Black Chamber seems to be their goal now.

All this just because Black Chamber refused to be baited by legit harassers. Who knew just merely ignoring them was so hurtful to them in their eyes 

[Boredfrom]

Yeah I got time today....

What a pathetic situation overall. I’ve been monitoring and watching it slowly devolve into the shitshow that’s currently taking place over this game on this forum and it’s nothing short of embarrassing.

I’ve been listening and reading and now I’m ready to speak.

There was nothing difficult about finding a solution to the origin of this fallout. The problem is that some of you just don’t fucking care. Everyone involved would have a much easier time if the actors involved would just admit that instead of putting on this fake as fuck “ally” mask charade and then turning it to a victim complex.

It’s annoying as hell because the solutions were so easy, the fact people listed them in this thread proves it didn’t take a speck of brain power to come up with them, just an ounce of actually giving a damn.

1. Start the OT thread with a “A Word from Kyujii/TransERA. You already reserve posts in the an OT thread to set up your graphic formatting, right?

Oh so you have space.. put a goddamn forward to frame the situation. If you can’t write it, someone from TransERA would have no problems doing that for you. Add a link that goes back to Kyujiis thread for reference. This is completed in one fucking PM

2. Ask a mod to add a Staff Comm with a brief detail that can link back to the OT Forward and Kyujiis Thread. This is completed in one fucking PM

What is so damn difficult about that? Why could it not be agreed to on the first ask? That’s why this all blew up, because it was the most basic bottom line olive branch one could do and it was met with political non answer bullshit. That shows character and intent. It’s clear as day that something so small bothered Chamber so much, but yet some wanna come after the fact and say this was always the plan.

Theres 0 reason why it couldnt be agreed to in public outside of just lack of interest. It’s a goddamn Video Game OT, not some NDA contract with barred info till release day like BC wants to pretend it is.

And then people want to parade his “effort” like it’s some hard job requiring sacrifice. Get real. You’re a fan on a forum like the rest of us.

CDPR isn’t over Chamber’s shoulder beating him with a stick to make a hype train. Let alone the fact that if he didn’t do it, it’s not like it would never exist seeing this is one of the biggest releases in a long time for the industry. He chose to do this on his own. And the reality is, he chose to do it for a game in which both the game and the developers have a shit track record towards TransFolk. You can’t just ignore that. It’s baked into the product. So I’m not understanding why the thought process is “La La La, I wanna enjoy the game”

The game marginalizes and exploits Transpeople for its setting. This shit doesn’t exist in a bubble. Far too many people base their shitty worldviews off media they consume, and damaging portrayals of TransPeople only helps to further that marginalization and discrimination they already face.

It doesn’t even make sense from a self preservation angle. This game will be parsed through with a fine tooth comb. If there are more examples of Transphobia or even Racism.. this little nerd party definitely won’t have a pot to piss in nor a leg to stand on in regards to criticism. (One could argue they already don’t)

Why in the hell would you not try to jump in front it? Why not acknowledge the problems that are there and pledge to create a dialogue to counter those issues? That’s why this shit blew up, because some just dont fucking care

The victim complex being developed over this is fucking laughable.

“I wanna enjoy the game!”

You already are and it’s not even out yet. You comb every fucking site for every speck and crumb of information for this game. You watch every video. You joined your CP Discord server (which that’s where y’all will be during the Launch Day OT Ban, you’re most likely complaining about this situation now in there) You preordered the Collectors Edition, You preloaded the game. You will obsess over the Review Scores, and whine endlessly about outlets that score low...

Where the fuck are you not enjoying the game?

Oh, it’s when People remind you about CDPRs shitty behavior and conduct, that’s when you feel not allowed to enjoy the game.

What a fucking joke, that’s transphobic as fuck to even dare make that statement. To even try to simulate oppression over being reminded that a video game you enjoy has shitty hurtful elements.

So many posters in this thread come across as baby shit soft. TransFolk live their lives on a daily basis with constant threats of outright Violence and Murder, Fetishization, Lack of Access to Medical Care, Discrimination, Ostracization not just from greater society but their own racial groups even. Quite simply damn near hated by everyone..

but y’all have the gall to whine about your entertainment being ruined over a real discussion?

A lot of you clearly wouldn’t last a fucking day in the life of a transgender person.

Im not Trans. I don’t have to be to fucking give a shit about their plight. I don’t subscribe to this “ally” bullshit y’all love so much. I’m a part of the fight. I’m a part of the struggle for TransPeople to be seen and heard. I listen when I need to listen, I will speak when I need to speak. I don’t talk over or talk for TransPeople, I echo them. And if one day I ever get it wrong, I will damn well make sure I don’t ever make that fucking mistake again.

My only suggestion to TransERA, if anything, is that they are being TOO NICE. They spoke too obvious off site trolls at face value and good faith. They have constantly controlled their language to make the discussion more tolerable. They reached their hand out and some of you spat in it. You actually tried to take them for fools. And some of you had the fucking nerve to even go ahead and try to tone police them further. Absolutely utter bullshit.

I’m incensed over this shit, I hate seeing bigotry and the apathy over it with every fiber of my being. It’s this lack of giving a fuck that leads to these situations in the first place. And the Gaming “Community” is full of this shit.

Gaming is not a little white boys club anymore (it never was). The industry and its patrons will continue to become more and more diverse. If studios and game products don’t want to account for that, expect more “criticism” and “outrage”. That “duck your head and stay in your lan bullshit is over. People will speak out. This entire forum is based off that concept but clearly for some it’s a pick and choose thing. Y’all wanna scream about game pricing and dlc controversies, but bury your head in the sand over shit that affects real people

Fuck all of that.

It’s situations like this that make people not want to associate with being a “Gamer”. There’s just too many people who portray themselves with infantile understanding, obsessive consumerism and absolute lack of empathy to make any association with that word appealing.

When will y’all actually mature into adults? Call me when that happens

Everyone is welcome to do so 💯
 

Great post, co signed, excellent read.

[Yulwei]

Looks like they've switched goals from getting Black Chamber banned to having his CP 2077 OT making privileges taken away. These are the same people, by the way, who were (and still are) bad mouthing the mods just yesterday. Anything to hurt Black Chamber seems to be their goal now.

All this just because Black Chamber refused to be baited by legit harassers. Who knew ust merely ignoring them was so hurtful to them in their eyes 

Remember how that one actress from that one TV show (very specific, I know) was called out by a twitter mob for being an evil TERF and then it turned out that a bunch of twitter users had been harassing her via DMs for a while and demanding that she put pronouns in her bio? That was brushed aside very quietly and quickly

But I guess it's not harassing if you're doing it for a right and just™ cause

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

🙏 Everyone is welcome! 💯

 

[Boredfrom]

This thread's kinda uncanny seeing all the hype posts ignoring the whole issue. Creepy, even. 

“Is like they don’t want to be ban baited.”

[ShutUp]

Thiiiiis so much, like I know folks put their heart into it and all — but if they could take that same energy and apply to actual avenues of genuine discourse and facilitate conversations that mean something... but nah, let me act as a officially hired community manager/brand ambassador for said company.

Edit: I also agree the OT should be handed off given the natural of how things have been handled this far...

Suddenly being hyped for a game means you are a brand ambassador for a company. Hope they keep this exact same energy when the next Sony exclusive comes out, complete with hype and a massive OT hyping the game.

Gonna have to agree with this. I'm sure both Black Chamber and vestan have put a lot of work into the OT, but their responses have been just dreadful and since apparently the whole point of having an OT for the game is to have a "safe" environment for everyone to discuss/criticize/etc. it, I'm sure it'd be fine if the OT was a more barebones one.

"dreadful" a stunning takeaway from some good posts that included an apology. I guess defending yourself and calling out bullying is dreadful in the eyes of those STILL bullying BC, despite being told when the thread reopened to knock it off.

[ShutUp]

DigitalOP The Racist chiming in only to be ignored from everyone except those saying "great post!" "Nothing more to say so seconded wow!" 

That's the extent of the discussions they want to have. Transphobia is bad. Yeah, we all know it. Now point out the actual trans phobia in the game and by the company who made the game. No, a poster in the game of a chick with a dick being a sexy advert in game isn't transphobia. Oh the "assume my gender" Twitter comment months ago? Person responsible for that tweet was fired.

And people in the sole thread allowed to be excited for the game have long since wised up to the baiting and for anyone who still didn't see it was bait, the bullying of Black Chamber yesterday made it clear for all to see what they are doing.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

It's a parody about gaming so this will not go over well with gamers.

 

[ShutUp]

One of the problems for me is that it is incredibly obvious that a number of people come into the thread to express their "excitement" for the game as a subtle way of giving a middle finger to the trans community on Era. Those who randomly come into the thread just to say, "I'm so excited for this game!!" and then immediately bounce. It can't be proven and they know they won't be banned because, after all, they're just announcing their excitement for a video game. But it's also very clear that that is what some people are doing.

This is pretty damn obvious to me as a cis man so I can only imagine how heightened these posts must be to the trans community here.

They are "popping in" and leaving because they can see sticking around to get baited into a ban isn't worth it. They use the thread exactly what its for and leave, probably go over to the discord where they can actually have fun talking about the game.

But keep inventing these conspiracies in your head about them "being subtle" for using a video game message board thread to express excitement about a game. 

[Averon]

One of the problems for me is that it is incredibly obvious that a number of people come into the thread to express their "excitement" for the game as a subtle way of giving a middle finger to the trans community on Era. Those who randomly come into the thread just to say, "I'm so excited for this game!!" and then immediately bounce. It can't be proven and they know they won't be banned because, after all, they're just announcing their excitement for a video game. But it's also very clear that that is what some people are doing.

 

There's a whole territory of these "I'm not touching you" style microaggressions that are all very common when certain kinds of topics come up, which suggests that there's a gap in moderation policy that fails to combat these behaviours.

 
  Ignoring bait is now a microaggression.

[ShutUp]

The one thing I absolutely don't understand, 'ambush' (lol) or no.....why the refusal to answer the question, that, yes, there will be a section on trans' rights/transphobia in the OP of the OT, if it was always the plan, as Vestan stated prior to being banned? There were multiple chances to answer, before things got 'antagonistic'.

I guess having stated their support before, more then once, wasn't enough. I guess we can't use common sense and think it through that yes, there will be something about it in the OT, which is literally just days away from going up, have some patience and you get your answer.

Android Sophia and the mod who posted the message (that's been totally ignored) right after the reopening of the thread saying how supportive Black Chamber and vestan have been has made them look like such assholes and its obvious how much its pissing them off.

[Lonewulfeus]

American theaters aren’t bad, era just mostly has users that take anything like fun and excitement as a bad thing.

[ShutUp]

A few pages back Cripterion dared challenge them and the ones who totally don't bait or bully anyone proceeded to quote him or talk about him a combined dozen or so times in one page.

"its so creepy how they keep ignoring us and our concerns are not talked about"

[Yulwei]

One of the problems for me is that it is incredibly obvious that a number of people come into the thread to express their "excitement" for the game as a subtle way of giving a middle finger to the trans community on Era. Those who randomly come into the thread just to say, "I'm so excited for this game!!" and then immediately bounce. It can't be proven and they know they won't be banned because, after all, they're just announcing their excitement for a video game. But it's also very clear that that is what some people are doing.

 

There's a whole territory of these "I'm not touching you" style microaggressions that are all very common when certain kinds of topics come up, which suggests that there's a gap in moderation policy that fails to combat these behaviours.

 
  Ignoring bait is now a microaggression.

One of the problems for me is that it is incredibly obvious that a number of people come into the thread to express their "excitement" for the game as a subtle way of giving a middle finger to the trans community on Era. Those who randomly come into the thread just to say, "I'm so excited for this game!!" and then immediately bounce. It can't be proven and they know they won't be banned because, after all, they're just announcing their excitement for a video game. But it's also very clear that that is what some people are doing.

This is pretty damn obvious to me as a cis man so I can only imagine how heightened these posts must be to the trans community here.

They are "popping in" and leaving because they can see sticking around to get baited into a ban isn't worth it. They use the thread exactly what its for and leave, probably go over to the discord where they can actually have fun talking about the game.

But keep inventing these conspiracies in your head about them "being subtle" for using a video game message board thread to express excitement about a game. 

good lord man this was literally a running joke in this thread a few weeks/months ago and it has now become reality in resetera. what a wonderful community

[ShutUp]

To you and all the people, who just want to talk about video games, why are you on resetera? Any other forum or reddit is exactly what you want and this forum
was created, at least to my knowledge, to be no that. For some time now people have been leaving and feel like if things go on as they are now, this will just end up as another video game forum.

Posted on the video game part of the site. Like, what the fuck do you think the VIDEO GAME DISCUSSION portion of the board is for? 

[ShutUp]

Yeah even just scrolling a couple pages i can see how some folks are stopping in here for a reason and others who are just trying to be a grain of sand in someone’s eye.

People using the thread what's it for? They ain't slick.

People shitting up the thread when they already have a separate thread to discuss the issues? SLAY KING! YAAASSSSS

[ShutUp]

For what it's worth they've had the past year and a half to do so and instead chose to double down on it.

By firing the person who made the assume my gender tweet, they've shown more backbone just by doing that than you Kyuuji. Not to mention donating to a charity fighting against homophobia, having trans artists on the soundtrack.

But hey a sexy advert of a chick with a dick in a Cyberpunk game! So transphobic.

[HaughtyFrank]

To you and all the people, who just want to talk about video games, why are you on resetera? Any other forum or reddit is exactly what you want and this forum
was created, at least to my knowledge, to be no that. For some time now people have been leaving and feel like if things go on as they are now, this will just end up as another video game forum.

Posted on the video game part of the site. Like, what the fuck do you think the VIDEO GAME DISCUSSION portion of the board is for? 

To you and all the people, who just want to talk about video games, why are you on resetera?

Newsfeed

[ShutUp]

Reading the thread about Twitch not using the word blind anymore and that thread is exactly why CDPR bending the knee exactly how they want also wouldn't be good enough. Many just calling it "empty corporate woke points", which yeah, probably. But CDPR doing exactly what they want would get the exact same response. Nothing will ever be good enough for these miserable assholes, they get what they want and then immediately dig up another problem.

Black Chamber apologizing and explaining themselves yesterday and then almost immediately a private PM from August makes its entrance to the discussion, like they had it ready to go.

Also a wonderful contrast of people in that thread going "is anyone REALLY offended by the term blind? Who asked for this?" and then going into the CDPR thread and seeing some of the same people act like there is this huge transphobia problem with the game/company".

[Chim Richalds]

For what it's worth they've had the past year and a half to do so and instead chose to double down on it.

By firing the person who made the assume my gender tweet, they've shown more backbone just by doing that than you Kyuuji. Not to mention donating to a charity fighting against homophobia, having trans artists on the soundtrack.

But hey a sexy advert of a chick with a dick in a Cyberpunk game! So transphobic.

It says a lot that their idea of “transgender” boils down to a chick with a dick in the first place.

[knux-future]

The whole issue is horseshit.

The Gaming Press lives off of outrage clicks and even they haven't touched this. They touched the crunch culture and the constant delays but for some reason they avoid the transphobic issue....hmmm I guess those checks only covered that?

They fired the guy who made the poor joke; the ad is there to show how fucked the setting is; and while it was tone death to have the cosplayer do it; its not the end of the world. Hell the game apparently doesn't even touch on it much (which I am sure will now be a big issue to keep the outrage going until Harry Potter starts its rollout). So this whole shitshow is based off of poor PR at best...and yet it dominates the conversation.

But this is a problem with the whole board. So much space is wasted on small scale shitshows like "random voice actor says a bad word once" by Neoxon.

I just hope that most people continue to simply not engage and maybe they will finally make good on their word and fucking leave lol.

[Uncle]

We found Ree's limit for compassion.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/twitch-removes-blind-playthrough-tag-after-disability-criticism.338899/

oh no no no no

the actual limit for era's compassion:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/toxic-positivity-is-the-worst.339088/page-2#post-53280661

I'm a cynical bastard, so excuse the following.

Just curious, are you an actual Bastard? As in a child born out of wedlock, likely to be partially unwanted or abandoned by at least one party, possibly maligned by “legitimate” siblings and extended family, by some interpretations of the Bible automatically condemned to hell (and even up to 10 generations of their offspring), most likely to be aborted; or just the cool and still totally acceptable and fun derogatory use of the term (I.e a sneaky, untrustworthy, overall bad person?) that even after years of wokeness now, I’ve yet to see anyone once give a shit about (as demonstrated by you feeling just fine using the word in this context on Era of all places), and I hear used by liberals far more than conservatives. Bastards probably can’t be pandered to by a political party for votes in any meaningful way, and let’s be real, they are bastards after all, so I get they are a low priority. But how the fuck does the word blind get labeled as unnecessarily derogatory before Bastard? This is pretty much the literal definition of what you claim to be fighting for in your word control, and not a peep.

Think about how the derogatory meaning of the word probably came about, by legitimate heirs to malign and keep illegitimate heirs down and away. Take the sentence “Bastards are bad and not to be trusted”. That you can’t know which definition of the word I’m using (a sneaky shitty person or a child simply born out of wedlock through no fault of their own) without my telling you, is also at the core of the problem. If the derogatory usage of the term is ok’d, as it clearly is right now, using the literal term for a child born out of wedlock also inherently applies all the negative connotations of the derogatory usage of the word to them as well.

Lets compare some of the top definitions, all for the same word. Would you want all of these applied to you:
-something that is irregular, inferior, or of questionable origin
-an offensive or disagreeable person (used as a generalized term of abuse)
-abnormal shape or irregular size
-of a kind similar to but inferior to or less typical than some standard
-lacking genuineness or authority

If you were simply:
-an illegitimate child

I’ve brought this up nicer before and been met with nothing but ridicule, fully expecting the same this time, so please excuse any rudeness. Feel free to just go back to whatever the fuck the point of this thread about “toxic positivity” was supposed to be, though it seems to just be the OP saying they hate life and everything it? I’m sorry if you are depressed and need help OP, nothing against you here. I don’t think I can create topics yet, I’m not active online much, but decided to just post something after again seeing that word used just fine here. If mods feel there is any merit to this discussion and want to give me permission to create this as its own thread, I would be happy to. My past experience anywhere else is that this will just buried and possibly get me banned, probably enough technicalities, that I’m derailing a thread, to do so, so no problem.

User Banned (1 week): inappropriate off-topic derail in a sensitive thread

[Averon]

I just hope that most people continue to simply not engage and maybe they will finally make good on their word and fucking leave lol.

Doubtful. You already had one of them backing off their grandiose declaration of leaving ERA and just asking for a 90-day ban. They won't leave because they know there's nowhere else where their bullshit and whining and hysterics is coddled and tolerated. They will only leave if they are forced to by mods. Basically pulling a Ketkat by becoming so toxic even the pussy-whipped mods can't stand you.

[HaughtyFrank]

quoting this for the next page, well said! Sadly, people won't care and place us on ignore if they haven't already. It's tragically clear that most of the one's posting here truly don't give a shit about transera or their human rights.

What in the flying fuck does this have to do with human rights? Seriously what the fuck?

[blame space]

earthbound actually converted me to not casually using the word bastard with that post.

[Vertigo]

People are wiser now. Dont even engage these loons unless you want to get dog piled and banned.

Each time I've visited that thread to read about CP2077 its pages of off topic talk. I look forward to next week to see what posters who have been 'militant' for months end up still buying the game.

 

[Uncle]

They fired the guy who made the poor joke; the ad is there to show how fucked the setting is; and while it was tone death to have the cosplayer do it; its not the end of the world.

modifying terminology to avoid ableist language