Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[Averon]

The other thing is the ban is completely meaningless. Black Chamber has linked to a Cyberpunk ERA Discord where they will continue to be free to talk about the game with everyone while this ban is being served.

This complaint is so weird. They are mad Black Chamber is allowed to even talk about the game offsite. Do they want to control the man's thoughts and actions for the entirety of the ban?

[BisMarckie]

I mean it's great for him though He can continue enjoying and sharing hype for CP on Discord among peers, while at the same time completely evading and not having to deal with the obvious "dissident" voices in his OT. Mods can handle that, I guess. It's easy to imagine most of the shitshow will be over after a month, which is when he can return welcomed back as the legendary martyr . All the while there's not gonna be a need to apologize, explain or do better, since well, nobody's home.

This just sucks all around, but I can't say it's in any way unexpected.

I just think it would be fair fo Black Chamber to report to one TransEra representative four to five times a day to ensure that doesn't happen.

[ShutUp]

Black Chamber already apologized and they want another apology 

Also, who are all of these “dissident” voices in the OT?

[MMaRsu]

Insanity

[SmokyDave]

Stay safe.

12-6-2020

a date which will live in infamy

12th of June 2020? The day they took that Fawlty Towers episode off-air?

[Clockwork5]

But for real, they got what they wanted, yet they are still whining and angry. Why does it matter to them if the ban was self-requested? You wanted Black Chamber banned and you got your wish.

How did they want Black Chamber to be banned exactly? Have him "slip up" in one of their ban baiting attempts and have him and his supporters labeled as transphobes and perm banned? Have Black Chamber write some transphobic/racist/sexist/alt-right diatribe and eat a perm? Like CDPR and CP 2077, they constructed an image of Black Chamber in their minds and are pissed he isn't acting the part their headcannon says he should.

They wanted a ban summit. “How could you let him decide the terms of his ban without talking to US?” They wanted to shame and humiliate him for his enthusiasm for a vidya. Yet another platform to lecture the Nazis on that site on just how toxic and terrible they are. To drill it into their skulls that they are literally killing trans people when they say they are excited for Cyberpunk. They wanted, laid bare for all to see, the minor transgressions that have so deeply hurt them and have left them feeling unsafe and unhinged.

I mean what good is taking action without all of the splendid theatrics?

[cosmicblizzard]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-61#post-53303758

So Gabe, an apparent journalist, has been banned for racism and it's allegedly led to some consequences for his professional life.

So by that logic, shouldn't the guy literally behind the Halo franchise suffer similar consequences?  His ban was similarly labeled as due to racism, and unlike Gabe, it was permeant.  By standard Era logic, doesn't that make him the scum of the earth, which would usually get a thread or two just like any kind of social media cancellations that public figures go through?  So what's different?  Some indie composers liking a few tweets is worth thousands of posts, but a key player in one of the most important first party franchises out there gets banned for racism of all things (a worse transgression than celebrating death), yet gets to exit the forum without a peep from any of the usual suspects while going back to work on Halo?

Seems kind of inconsistent if you ask me.

[Propagandhim]

"What are you even doing on Resetera..there are so many other places on the internet to talk about Cyberpunk."

"Ok.  I'll take a ban and talk about the game in an off-site discord."

"NO!!!"

[BisMarckie]

mean, everyone else is said it already, but I also want to voice my disappointment about this.

Why are you trying so hard to assure us that they meant well? What does that matter vs the hurt they caused? They're 2 fucking rando users, at the end of the day. Why are they getting special treatment because they worked with you on this stuff? It was a privilege you gave them, collaborating on the OT, allowing the OT to begin with. This stuff should have been a bare minimum requirement you imposed on them, not something to pat them on the back for doing.

And like... if, for whatever bizarre reason, the staff didn't look at what they posted and think it disqualified them from this responsibility, that's already a problem. But frankly, if you wanted to actually make the current situation come across as good faith from staff? Don't tell us that they volunteered for it! Letting them be martyrs - when we already saw exactly how that will play out! - defeats the entire point. Showing how serious they are would be telling the staff "you fucked up by not banning us, give us a ban". Not "let us post the OT and we'll take a month ban cause we're really sowwy". Like not even volunteering to give up making the thread, wow, such a sacrifice.

In making it clear that the staff didn't come up with this, a point you are weirdly insistent on, all that you're making clear is that staff is unwilling to do anything but bend your actions to what these 2 random guys want. And I am extremely confused as to why that's the case. Over and over we've had incidents happen where you had to rigidly stick to policy, even now you're banning people for silly reasons because context doesn't matter to you, and... yet these guys get a ridiculous benefit of the doubt for what they pulled? They get full 100% control over the punishment? Is there something I'm missing here? What the hell is going on?
 

THE HURT THEY CAUSED

[ShutUp]

It's strange that y'all have had extensive communication with the OT creators but no indication that you've done the same with the TransERA community that has been voicing their concerns and frustration at the way this has been handled.

This is inadequate, cowardly, and pathetic.
It might not be immediately clear that this is the case, but the end result of this site's handling of CDPR's transphobia will only embolden transphobes and eventually normalize transphobia. That's not what any of us signed up for and you must do better.

NOTHING.
IS.
GOOD.
ENOUGH.

I do believe they don’t know what transphobia actually is.

[MMaRsu]

lol morons there arent even any transphobes on Era, they wouldnt be caught dead there

[ShutUp]

mean, everyone else is said it already, but I also want to voice my disappointment about this.

Why are you trying so hard to assure us that they meant well? What does that matter vs the hurt they caused? They're 2 fucking rando users, at the end of the day. Why are they getting special treatment because they worked with you on this stuff? It was a privilege you gave them, collaborating on the OT, allowing the OT to begin with. This stuff should have been a bare minimum requirement you imposed on them, not something to pat them on the back for doing.

And like... if, for whatever bizarre reason, the staff didn't look at what they posted and think it disqualified them from this responsibility, that's already a problem. But frankly, if you wanted to actually make the current situation come across as good faith from staff? Don't tell us that they volunteered for it! Letting them be martyrs - when we already saw exactly how that will play out! - defeats the entire point. Showing how serious they are would be telling the staff "you fucked up by not banning us, give us a ban". Not "let us post the OT and we'll take a month ban cause we're really sowwy". Like not even volunteering to give up making the thread, wow, such a sacrifice.

In making it clear that the staff didn't come up with this, a point you are weirdly insistent on, all that you're making clear is that staff is unwilling to do anything but bend your actions to what these 2 random guys want. And I am extremely confused as to why that's the case. Over and over we've had incidents happen where you had to rigidly stick to policy, even now you're banning people for silly reasons because context doesn't matter to you, and... yet these guys get a ridiculous benefit of the doubt for what they pulled? They get full 100% control over the punishment? Is there something I'm missing here? What the hell is going on?
 

HURT THEY CAUSED

“They are two rando users why the special treatment?” Yes TransEra, why the special treatment indeed.

“Bend your actions to what these two want” posted without a hint of self-reflection 

[BIONIC]

mean, everyone else is said it already, but I also want to voice my disappointment about this.

Why are you trying so hard to assure us that they meant well? What does that matter vs the hurt they caused? They're 2 fucking rando users, at the end of the day. Why are they getting special treatment because they worked with you on this stuff? It was a privilege you gave them, collaborating on the OT, allowing the OT to begin with. This stuff should have been a bare minimum requirement you imposed on them, not something to pat them on the back for doing.

And like... if, for whatever bizarre reason, the staff didn't look at what they posted and think it disqualified them from this responsibility, that's already a problem. But frankly, if you wanted to actually make the current situation come across as good faith from staff? Don't tell us that they volunteered for it! Letting them be martyrs - when we already saw exactly how that will play out! - defeats the entire point. Showing how serious they are would be telling the staff "you fucked up by not banning us, give us a ban". Not "let us post the OT and we'll take a month ban cause we're really sowwy". Like not even volunteering to give up making the thread, wow, such a sacrifice.

In making it clear that the staff didn't come up with this, a point you are weirdly insistent on, all that you're making clear is that staff is unwilling to do anything but bend your actions to what these 2 random guys want. And I am extremely confused as to why that's the case. Over and over we've had incidents happen where you had to rigidly stick to policy, even now you're banning people for silly reasons because context doesn't matter to you, and... yet these guys get a ridiculous benefit of the doubt for what they pulled? They get full 100% control over the punishment? Is there something I'm missing here? What the hell is going on?
 

THE HURT THEY CAUSED

Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg... And my arm... even my fingers... The body I've lost... the comrades I've lost... won't stop hurting... It's like they're all still there. You feel it, too, don't you?

[ShutUp]

Got what they wanted, still miserable.

Glorious misery porn 

[Klelk]

If someone find Black Chamber's steam account and sees him playing the game, will they use it as an example of aggressively playing the game to literally hurt TransEra 

[Yulwei]

Stay safe.

12-6-2020

a date which will live in infamy

12th of June 2020? The day they took that Fawlty Towers episode off-air?

  you brits have had hundreds of years to catch up. get with the program

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

It is goddamn fascinating watching them reconfigure reality into Black Chambers definitely banworthy transgressions getting an admin delay until they can post the cyberpunk OT, because they're such a protected user

[Nintex]

Gabe is a raging fucking racist, good riddance

[Uncle]

53 guests now?  what the fuck 

[Nintex]

Hello everyone,

I wanted to let you all know that we spoke with Black Chamber again today and there are going to be some changes with how the OT is handled.

1. First of all, right after the thread is posted, Black Chamber will be taking a one month ban to acknowledge the role that his communication (and lack thereof) played in things escalating as far as they have. I want to make it clear that the staff did not propose this; Black Chamber himself wants to serve this ban to show that he's serious about being sorry and about wanting to support the trans community. Vestan has also asked to extend his ban to a month for the same reason.

[Lonewulfeus]

User banned (2 weeks): : Excessive hostility against another member. Previous recent bans for similar behaviour.

Why do troll and alt accounts out themselves for the dumbest things?

[Uncle]

Don't they realize that if they ban Black Chamber now he'll also be a martyr? Actually far more so because he'd get banned for saying "Everyone is welcome"

Mob: Let's go kill this trash.
Mob murders him.
Mob: I can't believe this trash orchestrated this so he could be a martyr.

[BIONIC]

I guess we won’t be seeing the results of Hobbes’ extensive investigation of problematic in-game ads included in his collectors edition of the game 

[MMaRsu]

On Twitter some woman was complaining about how Reee was almost Neogaf. I was like uuh have u been to Ngaf lately? I also said Resetera was inclusive to transgenders.

She said Transgenders is a horrible outdated term

So I asked whats the preferred term then?

She said Transgender

i was like even in plural? Are you sure?

Then she blocked me because according to her I was throwing a tantrum. Oh yeah she got banned on Reee btw for "defending transphobia"

[Uncle]

 

[Don Rumata]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-61#post-53303758

So Gabe, an apparent journalist, has been banned for racism and it's allegedly led to some consequences for his professional life.

So by that logic, shouldn't the guy literally behind the Halo franchise suffer similar consequences?  His ban was similarly labeled as due to racism, and unlike Gabe, it was permeant.  By standard Era logic, doesn't that make him the scum of the earth, which would usually get a thread or two just like any kind of social media cancellations that public figures go through?  So what's different?  Some indie composers liking a few tweets is worth thousands of posts, but a key player in one of the most important first party franchises out there gets banned for racism of all things (a worse transgression than celebrating death), yet gets to exit the forum without a peep from any of the usual suspects while going back to work on Halo?

Seems kind of inconsistent if you ask me.

Being behind the Halo franchise IS the punishment.

[Straight Edge]

what does that kind of ban even accomplish?

a hero's welcome in a month

[HaughtyFrank]

Glad to read about the OP changes -- these mod posts at the bottom are really bad at leading discussion.

Also excited to play this game. cdpr is evil but i love big rpgs.

 

[BIONIC]

Glad to read about the OP changes -- these mod posts at the bottom are really bad at leading discussion.

Also excited to play this game. cdpr is evil but i love big rpgs.

Resetera.gif

[Straight Edge]

Hobbes is such a sniveling little cunt.

[ShutUp]

So evil but eh I can let it slide because I love RPG's 

[paprikastaude]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/yakuza-series-creator-toshihiro-nagoshi-says-nintendo-switch-is-hardware-for-kids-and-teens.339310/

Another blow for nintenbabies after being declared the least intelligent console userbase    And they thought they'd have some ease while the rest of the forum destroys itself over Cyberpunk

[Transhuman]

If you're lurking because you're looking for anyone here to say something original or insightful about this sad tawdry affair, I have to warn of the long odds against it. I don't think i've seen topic talked to death this thoroughly before

[BIONIC]

Absolutely. But we already do ban games. We already do ban developers and public figures, influencers and Youtubers. So going by the slippery slope logic, we can't just stop at Jontron or Hatred but give a pass to transphobia, in this case.

See, what I mean is basically this.
Yes, hardware manufacturers are outsourcing to companies producing in China, using basically slave camps to construct parts for their toys. This is shitty, and it should be mentioned again and again, it should be discussed and it should be denounced.
However, promoting games from companies being directly okay with racism (Warhorse, banned) or transphobia and likely also racism (CDPR, not banned), is not only shitty and apprehensive and reprehensible like the use of Uighur internment camps is, it also directly and immediately is attacking, insulting and ignoring our own community on Era and actively showing them "we care about you, but you see, not really." I think it is possible to draw a line here without waxing that slope. Of course, I might be wrong.

Imagine thinking that an in-game ad of a chick with a strap on in a fictional dystopia is comparable to having literal concentration camps in the real world 

[VomKriege]

I mean this in all seriousness: the staff really needs to come out and clarify whether any money has been exchanged for specific users making the OT (or generally doing any “influencer” marketing here). A lot of people are understandably jumping to that conclusion due to the absurdity of watching mods bend over backwards to protect one user’s right to make an OT, something no one can remember happening before, and if that’s what’s going on, people deserve to know. If not... just have someone else make the OT, good lord, how is this so hard.

 

[VomKriege]

It really is amazing how mods keep fucking up over this. Have they ever bended over backwards this much for an individual poster before at the expense of an entire community before?

 

[ShutUp]

 

Attack the mods! Again! We got what we wanted but ATTACK!

[Tasty]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-are-your-thoughts-on-dmc-devil-may-cry.339337/post-53317852

[DmC: Devil May Cry] is the least revolting game of the franchise. The pure sexism and garbage objectification of women in the other games is just ugh.

[VomKriege]

Also I guess everyone at RE just discovered the weird fetishism for "|OT|" they have had for years.

[paprikastaude]

I mean this in all seriousness: the staff really needs to come out and clarify whether any money has been exchanged for specific users making the OT (or generally doing any “influencer” marketing here). A lot of people are understandably jumping to that conclusion due to the absurdity of watching mods bend over backwards to protect one user’s right to make an OT, something no one can remember happening before, and if that’s what’s going on, people deserve to know. If not... just have someone else make the OT, good lord, how is this so hard.

 

When your only contact to the real world is children's movies, videogames and people represented by cartoon avatars. Then this is something that you would believe.

[VomKriege]

Staff, the moment people start to consider if there's money involved or if it's because of traffic, you know it's not people who are being hard with you. They are genuinely hurt. And today they were hurt again.

 

[Don Rumata]

If you're lurking because you're looking for anyone here to say something original or insightful about this sad tawdry affair, I have to warn of the long odds against it. I don't think i've seen topic talked to death this thoroughly before

People are here to laugh at the shit show, dummy.

[paprikastaude]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-are-your-thoughts-on-dmc-devil-may-cry.339337/post-53317852

[DmC: Devil May Cry] is the least revolting game of the franchise. The pure sexism and garbage objectification of women in the other games is just ugh.

(Image removed from quote.)

90% of the other games is sword fighting gameplay in haunted castles with a few cutscenes that have sexy J-Pop men flexxing.

[Lonewulfeus]

If you're lurking because you're looking for anyone here to say something original or insightful about this sad tawdry affair, I have to warn of the long odds against it. I don't think i've seen topic talked to death this thoroughly before

People are here to laugh at the shit show, dummy.

Yea, if there’s one thing transhuman is unfamiliar with its laughter

[VomKriege]

He decided to work on it for months of his own choice. That extra effort is not a requirement of making an OT. It means nothing. There is no world in which "but he worked hard on it", should ever enter the equation. Him making the OT is a privilege he volunteered for and was given, not an obligation, and not something only he can do. It can be taken away freely.

Like, let me be clear to you. The Cyberpunk OT itself is a privilege. It shouldn't exist. We were assured a long while back that the main reason it existed is because there were marginalized people here who still wanted to discuss the game, that more broadly discussion was allowed so that information about its issues would spread, and that it would be handled carefully. Whether you like it or not, that is the terms the staff laid out.

And in the past couple days, Black Chamber and Vestanet very very clearly showed that - even if they didn't do banworthy things (which Vestanet did! and is still involved) - they were not up for this big responsibility that they volunteered for! For all their good intent, they did not understand the trans community on this site enough to handle this respectfully. And in light of that, there's plenty of other people who can take over the OT from them. There's 0 reason to give them a second chance. Let someone more capable of handling it well do the job. Because it's more important to handle this respectfully than to have this one user be the OP of the thread.

Much italics.

Whether you like it or not, that is the terms the staff laid out.

 

[Tasty]

Staff, the moment people start to consider if there's money involved or if it's because of traffic, you know it's not people who are being hard with you. They are genuinely hurt. And today they were hurt again.

 

I'm so tired from crying all the time.

[Pennywise]

Absolutely. But we already do ban games. We already do ban developers and public figures, influencers and Youtubers. So going by the slippery slope logic, we can't just stop at Jontron or Hatred but give a pass to transphobia, in this case.

See, what I mean is basically this.
Yes, hardware manufacturers are outsourcing to companies producing in China, using basically slave camps to construct parts for their toys. This is shitty, and it should be mentioned again and again, it should be discussed and it should be denounced.
However, promoting games from companies being directly okay with racism (Warhorse, banned) or transphobia and likely also racism (CDPR, not banned), is not only shitty and apprehensive and reprehensible like the use of Uighur internment camps is, it also directly and immediately is attacking, insulting and ignoring our own community on Era and actively showing them "we care about you, but you see, not really." I think it is possible to draw a line here without waxing that slope. Of course, I might be wrong.

Imagine thinking that an in-game ad of a chick with a strap on in a fictional dystopia is comparable to having literal concentration camps in the real world 

CDPR is clearly the force of all evil.
Meanwhile he worked as community manager for a pay to win mobile company that got alot of flack for several questionable things.

[Don Rumata]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-are-your-thoughts-on-dmc-devil-may-cry.339337/post-53317852

(Image removed from quote.)

[DmC: Devil May Cry] is the least revolting game of the franchise. The pure sexism and garbage objectification of women in the other games is just ugh.

(Image removed from quote.)

"revolting"... 
Imagine if they watched Salò.
Especially funny considering DICE has been making military porn shit for the last 15(?) years.

[BIONIC]

Folx, I've said this before and I'll say it again: nobody wants you to not enjoy the game. The trans community simply want to be listened. Yes, sometimes that means letting a discussion happen for a bit so it doesn't get buried because it might be important. You can always wait to post. Sometimes, it may be about pointing people to Kyuuji's thread, or simply voicing your support before talking about the game again. I mean, even Kyuuji has been participating in the game's discussion outside of its problematic content. She said she wasn't encouraging a boycott. She's going to play the game. There are people who are actively discussing the issues and will still buy the game.

There's no hard answer for this. Just be empathetic. Listen. Read the room. Still enjoy the game if you want to. All of that is possible.

 

[team filler]

transera wants black chamber cucked and sissified or they leave!!

[maninthemirror]

You know maybe if you stop complaining about everything, stopped giving members rope for having a litmus testing the forum would have less drama, less childish behavior and less suicides
Era nutjobs want everything to be 1 or 0. The hive mind never left GAF exodus . GAF is now only right wing nuts and era and now only left wing nuts . One side is nazi and the other has a suicide or a tantrum every day because someone didn’t pass their litmus test . Grow the fuck up

[team filler]

Black Chamber. You are a hero good sir. Getting T-Era this worked up and blood thirsty, eating a 1 month ban as though you are Saint Sebastian himself, and coming away from this looking like a regular dude while the loonies show how psychotic and miserable they are and now that it is obvious that they have been played, they’re just pissed about how foolish they were FORCED to look and demand retribution. You did it, my man.
💯

Shout out to Kyuuji too! The original shit stirrer who has kinda just sat back and watched all of this unfold while secretly securing their copy of the game and claiming “That thread is just for like... awareness.”
💯

[ShutUp]

"Nobody says you can't enjoy the game" fucking really? Because people are being dog piled and banned for exactly that.

"trans people just want to be listened to" they literally are repeatedly being fucking listened to. It's impossible for them not to be listened to taking over the thread yet again.

This is what happens when the inmates run the asylum.

[BisMarckie]

The solution is not to say, "if you are not trans shut up and you don't get to talk about the game".

Even has "gamer" as a part of his username. Ban this filth.

[Averon]

So TransERA don't even want the OT to be about the game other than discussing the game's transphobia. Basically, they want the OT to be an endless bitchfest about the supposed gross transphobia in the game. No talk about gameplay. No talk about characters. No talk about music. The OT should be an exclusive outlet for TransERA to shit on CP 2077 and CDPR.

And these are the same people that also says they don't want/get special treatment

[maninthemirror]

Era should purge all toxic transera and ally folks.
You will have a forum then with less transphobia, less racism and less sexism
I won’t be surprised if transera is only tolerated not supported . You can tell by the lack of member posts in support and those who just stay quiet

[ShutUp]

Seeing at least a few asking for the Cyberpunk discord makes me think the OT will end up being a ghost town after all.

[ShutUp]

I’m not a mod. I don’t know how I would handle it. But ignoring the conversation for a month, ignoring transEra, still creating the OT, and then taking a self ban as you talk about it on the era Cyberpunk discord which you just created and posted a link to earlier in this thread before your scheduled ban doesn’t really solve anything either.

Now the discord was just created as a way to still talk about the game, even though the Discord has been up for awhile now! 

They honestly think Black Chamber can't talk about the game at all. The audacity, I applaud it.

[Transhuman]

If you're lurking because you're looking for anyone here to say something original or insightful about this sad tawdry affair, I have to warn of the long odds against it. I don't think i've seen topic talked to death this thoroughly before

People are here to laugh at the shit show, dummy.

Yea, if there’s one thing transhuman is unfamiliar with its laughter

Nah I do real good tbh. I've never felt apprehensive of my material or bombed (unintentionally). Life is milk and honey.

[cosmicblizzard]

So TransERA don't even want the OT to be about the game other than discussing the game's transphobia. Basically, they want the OT to be an endless bitchfest about the supposed gross transphobia in the game. No talk about gameplay. No talk about characters. No talk about music. The OT should be an exclusive outlet for TransERA to shit on CP 2077 and CDPR.

And these are the same people that also says they don't want/get special treatment

In their alternate reality where CDPR are the world's 2nd-largest exporters of transphobia after JK Rowling, this actually would be the best solution.  A criticism thread to talk about something big without actually condoning it, similar to the women sexualization thread.

If the staff actually considered themselves or their userbase mature adults, this would be the stance for everything that is currently barred from discussion there, whether it be banned games or big personalities (though I guess they do have that stance for Jordan Peterson?).