Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[BIONIC]

messy is such a loser for taking ree stuff offsite

The big homie is in YouTube comments preaching that shid

You would think after getting a wife bought for him to end his inceldom he would tone it down a bit

I’ll never forget randomly finding him hitting on a guy in the YT comments of an Eric Andre subway skit.

[BIONIC]

So, tonight was an unpleasant shock, to say the least. After taking stock of things I want to apologize on behalf of the team, particularly to the trans community. Black Chamber was able to fool us and in hindsight he shouldn’t have been able to get as far as he did. This was a massive oversight on our part, and one that's completely unacceptable on our behalf.

When the staff initially approached Black Chamber about how we were planning to handle the Cyberpunk OT and other threads, we expected a confrontation with a superfan. We were surprised when he said all the right things and seemed very eager to cooperate. It was the kind of attitude we wished more fans of controversial media would have. Because of this, we did not do the due diligence that we might otherwise have done, and we missed or accepted explanations for red flags that should've cost him the benefit of the doubt.

I know it must be incredibly frustrating for the members who raised concerns about Black Chamber that not only were they not heeded, he turned out to be even worse than anyone knew - but many of you clearly suspected, and we should've listened. This is especially true in regards to the trans members of the community, who openly voiced their concerns and were talked down to, instead of being heard. We know the community relies on us to catch this kind of thing, and in this case we fucked up, plain and simple. Again, I apologize for that.

Apologies require action, to ensure that mistakes are not repeated. Going forward, as we noted earlier, due diligence will be done in the future when this kind of situation arises. No exceptions. We haven’t made a habit of digging for members’ social media in the past, but when serious suspicion exists that's going to become more regular. We are very determined that this sort of incident will never happen again. We will be personally handling OTs for controversial releases, and we will be vetting the entire contents of them and running them by the appropriate minority staff. And once more, from myself, and from everybody else on the team: We're sorry.

On that note, I have taken a personal initiative to reach out to TransEra and start discussions with them. Their concerns were not heard. As a trans woman, and as a person in a position of power, I have failed them on this, and I wish to make that right. I am hoping we will be able to have a direct line of communication with TransEra so their concerns are heard.

You dumb fucking cunts 

[cosmicblizzard]

Seems like Era is about to get a lot more paranoid, which will make posting there an even more miserable experience for normal people.  I feel like Harry Potter is going to kill the site entirely.

[Boredfrom]

Some hate forum really suspects that lamptramp is also a troll (ala Enzom). Are they going to spy her social media?

[team filler]

I originally wanted black chamber to win, now I see this is the best possible outcome 

[Boredfrom]

those tweets feel in line with the same guy who genuinely just wanted to post about a game he was looking forward to

tbf what are you doing on resetti then. Maybe he wasn't trolling, but just stupid.

I mean, being stupid is a default being a Trump supporter. But he being able to hide it made him smarter than most braindead alt right trolls.

[BIONIC]

Unironic Red Scare McCarthyism is not only site policy, but encouraged to all users 

[Borealis]

He was definitely too passionate about Cyberpunk 2077, but I mean was BC really a troll? Dude just got them heated and if he hadn't shared usernames across platforms, they would've stewed for the rest of eternity. Is Era going to keep the same energy for all these incoming problematic games?

These goofs are simultaneously shocked at being exposed as laughing stocks and sounding gleeful at "outing" a supposed Neo-Nazi troll.

I still love how out of all this, ElfLore coped a stray haha.

[Rahxephon91]

Is Era going to keep the same energy for all these incoming problematic games?

Yes

[Borealis]

Also, the fuck is this ban message?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-48#post-53240362

User banned (1 week): Too defensive for such a sensitive thread.

Goofy fuckers really in that stickied thread talking about how they're reeling from these events? C'mon.

[Tuckers Law]

from a reply in that tweet thread

https://outrageousfacts.wordpress.com/2020/12/06/blog-029-reseteras-trans-community-consists-of-toxic-assholes-but-so-dont-trans-people-in-general/

Not All Trans people are toxic assholes like Resetera’s trans community would make one believe!

...

oh not all of them?

I still contend that this is the case.  Those people are severely unwell mentally, using their trans identity as an argumentative cudgel in defense of their reprehensible behavior so much that a random outsider looking at it may very well associate that as a natural aspect of the trans population, particularly if they’ve never encountered someone before who is trans.  My impression from trans people I’ve personally interacted with and have had as coworkers is that your average trans person would recoil in horror and disgust/anger at what goes on from that specific cabal.

[SmokyDave]

At this point I would honestly suggest that Black Chamber be banned, CDPR and Cyberpunk chat should be banned outside of criticism, and then let the chips fall where they may. Just for once, actually stand for something. Even if it’s something spiteful and pointless.

So this is what happened then. Far and away the best outcome for future chuckles. Now watch as countless innocent posters wander into the OT thinking they can discuss the game, only to be chewed up and spat back out.

Great work transera, hope you’re all feeling much safer now.

[Bore Expert]

Pro tip: I just got financial advice from evilore and he advised me to invest in MySpace.

 

[Tuckers Law]

You can add music to your page, isn’t that neat!

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-79#post-53364463

Black Chamber,
buddy.

If you ever so much as think to touch the mouse to step in this place again, god help you. There is no room in hell for my wrath right now. You are not the arbiter of what a 'real trans person' is. You don't get to say what does and does not hurt the cause. All these people on the site? The people you hurt, the people you are calling pretenders. You think it matters for one GODDAMN SECOND to us where they are at in their personal lives? FUCK NO. They now and forever have my unwavering support. See that's the difference between us: you think making claims of pretenders on this site is going to tear us apart? I have news for you buddy. We have never been closer as a community than we are now. Now that you've taken off the mask and shown us all what a little shitstain you are.

You are a goddamn bootlicker who went running back to the people you truly identify with in an instant. I'm surprised even they took you back when you obviously have no spine or loyalty to speak of, you fucking coward. You hop in that general lee and drive off into the neon lights you longed for so much. You won't be missed.

 

[Transhuman]

Black Chambers says he doesn't support Trump and I believe him, both of those tweets are incredibly flimy evidence. The first one he is replying to a Trump supporter, that's why he says "my MAGA hat off to you". It'd be be like replying to Johnny Depp and saying "my pirate hat off to you". The second one is him thinking Michael Rapaport's anti-Trump rant is deranged/performatively deranged and telling him to shutup.

That user has clearly just searched Black Chambers tweets for "Trump" and "MAGA" and those two comments were the most damming they could find. If that's the worst of it, he's basically as pure as the driven snow.

[Bore Expert]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/era-what-do-you-do-for-a-living.339355/#post-53319553

Poor Hobbes. Banned. Life ain’t easy for a community manager

 

[Transhuman]

I have to assume he doesn't know how intolerant the rest of NeoGaf is if he intends to be keep posting there though. I don't think anyone could be that apolticial.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/its-interesting-how-modern-star-wars-media-has-in-universe-slurs-for-different-factions.339610/#post-53356150

Yes, next time some white dude calls me a Beaner, ill feel exactly like a Mandalorian.

[VomKriege]

Cheebo ded
https://www.resetera.com/threads/bernie-sanders-says-opposing-biden-is-%E2%80%98irresponsible%E2%80%99.185016/post-31515804

[BIONIC]

Probably in witness protection. Just wait for a new member who just happens to be a mega TLJ cocksucker.

[Pissy F Benny]

It’s a long shot but I think the funniest endgame of this is cyberpunk being widely praised for being inclusive. Would transera be willing to admit they got it wrong and take the L?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

not a chance in hell

[close]

[jorma]

Probably in witness protection. Just wait for a new member who just happens to be a mega TLJ cocksucker.

yeah, he probably realised that his sus past here on the bore would bite him in the ass one day

i vaguely remember that someone said he was scrubbing his posts somewhere after he went after james arnold taylor on ree and it blew up?

[BIONIC]

I just hope this results in staff trusting the trans community a little more. Certainly more than people with a history of dismissing minority concerns on the forum spanning years. I don't know why it had to take him being a Trump supporter to solidify that, instead of looking at his interactions with members and topics here. Why wasn't the existing history and his actions over the past week enough?

Why despite all of that was the persistent concern around talking down to our community, while lavishing praise upon him and ignoring the extremely obvious signs that there was no good faith involved.

Yasss Queen, get em 

[HaughtyFrank]

Remember that his crime was to say that everyone is welcome 

https://twitter.com/WholesomeMeme/status/1335592330489950208

[SmokyDave]

I love that transera are still losing their shit in the 'CDPR is Evil' thread.

Come on mods, people are literally dying here. How about you step up and make things right? You can't keep trampling all over trans lives like this 

[VomKriege]

Right now? Fuck education.

At this point staff needs to step up and prove they have the backs of the trans members on this site. And I mean actually prove, not another cookie cutter apology and community meeting that never actually do anything. The issues that led to this latest blow-up have been prevalent for years. There's been discussions about it with various communities in the past (including Trans Era) and the issues have been clearly laid out. Nothing ever changes. s it stands it's only a matter of time before the next incident where the site will lose even more good people (whether it happens to Trans Era or another group) and an OT will just accelerate that. The staff needs to get their shit together before even attempting to open an OT.

[BIONIC]

I love that transera are still losing their shit in the 'CDPR is Evil' thread.

Come on mods, people are literally dying here. How about you step up and make things right? You can't keep trampling all over trans lives like this 

Now you have Messy dropping a multi paragraph MLK quote 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

To be fair, a lot of us used very similar "where there's smoke"-intuition justification for not believing Jussie Smollet after he was revealed to have been a fraud. They're right that sometimes you can sort of rely on sharp intuition to guide a more thorough investigation.

But that being said, what they did with that intuition was abhorrent.

Much like a fair few people assumed Jussie was maybe exaggerating to make himself sound better, but didn't think he'd actually fucking paid people to stage things, they might have had an intuition that BC thought that Kyuujis complaints about CDP are mostly bullshit - because basically the entire fuckinng internet thinks that - and he was begrudgingly acquiescing to their demands, but not that he was a full on MAGA

[benita]

Where did Hobbes get got?

[joeboy101]

Right now? Fuck education.

At this point staff needs to step up and prove they have the backs of the trans members on this site. And I mean actually prove, not another cookie cutter apology and community meeting that never actually do anything. The issues that led to this latest blow-up have been prevalent for years. There's been discussions about it with various communities in the past (including Trans Era) and the issues have been clearly laid out. Nothing ever changes. s it stands it's only a matter of time before the next incident where the site will lose even more good people (whether it happens to Trans Era or another group) and an OT will just accelerate that. The staff needs to get their shit together before even attempting to open an OT.

So, on Cyberpunk 2077, the biggest game launch this year and perhaps in the past 5 years, TransEra have browbeaten the mods into the following:

- Restricting the number of pre-release threads to one
- Locking the OT for the day of release
- Pinning their own thread at the top of the gaming forum
- Forced the permabanning of a user who did not even remotely break the ToS and only treated them with politeness
- Forced the OT to be as barebones as possible
- Have their own statement as the first post in the OT
- Have that statement at the top of each page in the OT
- Had reasonable bans of their own members reversed

And these choadloads have the absolute nouse to say they are being ignored and slighted? I'd be impressed if they weren't all suck dickheads.

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

Man... I need to prepare myself for Ghosts winning. Jeez. I really did not vibe with that game at all after. Stopped halfway into second Chapter. I'll be salty for sure

 

[Bore Expert]

Where did Hobbes get got?

Probably some back alley in the middle of the night

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Where did Hobbes get got?

User banned (2 weeks): : Excessive hostility against another member. Previous recent bans for similar behaviour.

Like the war it was based on, hobbes trying to use ban protection privileges he didn't earn

[naff]

going by the tweets bork posted bc is even more of a tool because he pretended to be a trumper for a scrap of e-cred on twitter

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

The only thing that really brings outside attention to Era now are substantial rumours. Because Era vets insiders, rumours are generally seen as more trustworthy than those randomly posted on Twitter or Reddit or 4chan.

I can't think of any big news broken by Era, or any big news broken on twitter or 4chan that didn't get play everywhere (including era)

[benita]

Where did Hobbes get got?

User banned (2 weeks): : Excessive hostility against another member. Previous recent bans for similar behaviour.

Like the war it was based on, hobbes trying to use ban protection privileges he didn't earn

Holy shit even the mods must fuckin hate him to get banned for something that innocuous.

[benita]

Right now? Fuck education.

At this point staff needs to step up and prove they have the backs of the trans members on this site. And I mean actually prove, not another cookie cutter apology and community meeting that never actually do anything. The issues that led to this latest blow-up have been prevalent for years. There's been discussions about it with various communities in the past (including Trans Era) and the issues have been clearly laid out. Nothing ever changes. s it stands it's only a matter of time before the next incident where the site will lose even more good people (whether it happens to Trans Era or another group) and an OT will just accelerate that. The staff needs to get their shit together before even attempting to open an OT.

So, on Cyberpunk 2077, the biggest game launch this year and perhaps in the past 5 years, TransEra have browbeaten the mods into the following:

- Restricting the number of pre-release threads to one
- Locking the OT for the day of release
- Pinning their own thread at the top of the gaming forum
- Forced the permabanning of a user who did not even remotely break the ToS and only treated them with politeness
- Forced the OT to be as barebones as possible
- Have their own statement as the first post in the OT
- Have that statement at the top of each page in the OT
- Had reasonable bans of their own members reversed

And these choadloads have the absolute nouse to say they are being ignored and slighted? I'd be impressed if they weren't all suck dickheads.

NOBODY LISTENS TO US!

I can't fucking wait for CP to be declared ineligible for Reeee's GOTY.

[Uncle]

from a reply in that tweet thread

https://outrageousfacts.wordpress.com/2020/12/06/blog-029-reseteras-trans-community-consists-of-toxic-assholes-but-so-dont-trans-people-in-general/

Not All Trans people are toxic assholes like Resetera’s trans community would make one believe!

...

oh not all of them?

I still contend that this is the case.  Those people are severely unwell mentally, using their trans identity as an argumentative cudgel in defense of their reprehensible behavior so much that a random outsider looking at it may very well associate that as a natural aspect of the trans population, particularly if they’ve never encountered someone before who is trans.  My impression from trans people I’ve personally interacted with and have had as coworkers is that your average trans person would recoil in horror and disgust/anger at what goes on from that specific cabal.

oh yeah of course

when someone says "not all" the answer isn't to double down and say "yes, all" like era have taught us

nor "a hit dog hollers" etc

people should direct their criticism at the specific people who are misbehaving

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Like, if nothing else broad undirected generalisations are intellectually lazy and inherently undermine any point you're trying to make.

[BIONIC]

I can't fucking wait for CP to be declared ineligible for Reeee's GOTY.

Didn’t even think of that.

The fuckery 

[Pissy F Benny]

PC gamers will love it and push it to number 1 like they did the witcher 3

I’ve seen that sentiment posted there and the implication is

[Pissy F Benny]

Just remember though brehs, this is merely the starter and Harry Potter will be the main course, especially if it turns out to be a good to great game

[Yulwei]

Just remember though brehs, this is merely the starter and Harry Potter will be the main course, especially if it turns out to be a good to great game

Praying that it's a goty contender 

[Pissy F Benny]

To be fair there’s a valid reason to rail against that with the whole JK Rowling fiasco, but if Bigot Gamers look past that, separate the art from the artist and get hyped for the game this will look like child’s play. Like all out beef and drama between the gamers and the off topic posters

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Why Era, specifically gaming side, has such a strong air of self importance is beyond me, but in reality it has a fairly shitty reputation.

it's about time you reconsider this weird "off-site drama" stance y'all have at management. When someone brings in a user's twitter account that admits or reveals their malintent, don't punish the person who exposes the troll, ffs. You can't separate what someone posts here and what they do elsewhere, it's all connected and sooner or later it will spill over.

yeah, weirdos with your basic ass anti-dox measures you barely uphold anyway

[Lonewulfeus]

Why Era, specifically gaming side, has such a strong air of self importance is beyond me, but in reality it has a fairly shitty reputation.

it's about time you reconsider this weird "off-site drama" stance y'all have at management. When someone brings in a user's twitter account that admits or reveals their malintent, don't punish the person who exposes the troll, ffs. You can't separate what someone posts here and what they do elsewhere, it's all connected and sooner or later it will spill over.

yeah, weirdos with your basic ass anti-dox measures you barely uphold anyway

There’s absolutely no chance that could go wrong at all, none.  What’s to stop someone with turboautism from creating social media accounts impersonating prominent resetera posters but posting racist or phobic shit?  This is not going to end how they think it will. 

[paprikastaude]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-79#post-53364463

Black Chamber,
buddy.

If you ever so much as think to touch the mouse to step in this place again, god help you. There is no room in hell for my wrath right now. You are not the arbiter of what a 'real trans person' is. You don't get to say what does and does not hurt the cause. All these people on the site? The people you hurt, the people you are calling pretenders. You think it matters for one GODDAMN SECOND to us where they are at in their personal lives? FUCK NO. They now and forever have my unwavering support. See that's the difference between us: you think making claims of pretenders on this site is going to tear us apart? I have news for you buddy. We have never been closer as a community than we are now. Now that you've taken off the mask and shown us all what a little shitstain you are.

You are a goddamn bootlicker who went running back to the people you truly identify with in an instant. I'm surprised even they took you back when you obviously have no spine or loyalty to speak of, you fucking coward. You hop in that general lee and drive off into the neon lights you longed for so much. You won't be missed.

 

gatdamn, imagine how big of a complete pussy they have to be in real life to compensate with this faux-fighting persona in a shitty irrelevant echochamber

And I love how they have exactly zero influence on the rest of internet gaming discourse (let alone real world). They whine like crazy children, with fake delusions of changing the world, yet simply no one gives a single shit, even when they scream fullthroated about the only topic their forum is slightly known for (gaming).

[SmokyDave]

So now we move on to the bit where Black Chamber was assembling a secret cabal of russian gamergate trump supporters to overthrow Era. Thank goodness they caught him in time.

I have to assume he doesn't know how intolerant the rest of NeoGaf is if he intends to be keep posting there though. I don't think anyone could be that apolticial.

Dude, he's just been run off Era for no good reason, having been the target of incessant bullying for days. I don't think GAF is going to seem particularly intolerant in comparison. Seems like he just wants to talk about a game, not dig through every off-topic thread for political opinions to get upset about.

[knux-future]

the simple fact that no gaming press sneak has even brought up "the issues" says it all.

They love the drama clicks and even they are avpiding the shit

[BIONIC]

Why Era, specifically gaming side, has such a strong air of self importance is beyond me, but in reality it has a fairly shitty reputation.

it's about time you reconsider this weird "off-site drama" stance y'all have at management. When someone brings in a user's twitter account that admits or reveals their malintent, don't punish the person who exposes the troll, ffs. You can't separate what someone posts here and what they do elsewhere, it's all connected and sooner or later it will spill over.

yeah, weirdos with your basic ass anti-dox measures you barely uphold anyway

Fuck, I hope they don’t ban our shared riotous account 

[Snoopycat_]

Ree's dregs acting like BC running back to Gaf is a victory is some funny shit. They all act like they chose to be on Gaf, when we all know they were forced back there because Ree kicked them out.

[BIONIC]

I don't think there's a need for an OT when folks have already shared their completed impressions of the game and the trans issues in the game.

Hobbes' impressions:
"As far as main story and what I've experienced, the game does not address the transphobia or manticore stuff aside from the manticore posters just existing as ads. There seems to be no characters in the main story line that I can remember encountering that were openly or alluded to being trans or anything but male / female.
Racial stereotyping - I'm not sure. I had previously read that the Voodoo Boys, their accents, dialect etc was very authentic towards Haitian culture, so I can only really say it seems like it.
Most of the "political" aspects of the game are more focused on class than anything else. That's very apparent in pacifica."

So you’re saying the game shouldn’t have an OT even though it’s not transphobic? 

[knux-future]

I don't think there's a need for an OT when folks have already shared their completed impressions of the game and the trans issues in the game.

Hobbes' impressions:
"As far as main story and what I've experienced, the game does not address the transphobia or manticore stuff aside from the manticore posters just existing as ads. There seems to be no characters in the main story line that I can remember encountering that were openly or alluded to being trans or anything but male / female.
Racial stereotyping - I'm not sure. I had previously read that the Voodoo Boys, their accents, dialect etc was very authentic towards Haitian culture, so I can only really say it seems like it.
Most of the "political" aspects of the game are more focused on class than anything else. That's very apparent in pacifica."

So you’re saying the game shouldn’t have an OT even though it’s not transphobic? 

Black Chamber said the Trump word and thus all gloves are off.

They never wanted an OT only a thread for whining and sniping at other users. They got their pound of flesh to do so now.

I hope they realize this only makes the TransEra community's rep even lower. For all of the "leaving in droves" memes, this has only served to make people wary of supporting or engaging them...which is bad for the cause.

Not that they care

[Transhuman]

Dude, he's just been run off Era for no good reason, having been the target of incessant bullying for days. I don't think GAF is going to seem particularly intolerant in comparison. Seems like he just wants to talk about a game, not dig through every off-topic thread for political opinions to get upset about.

Yeah but for that there's twitter, reddit, discord, e.c.t. No-one's forcing Chamber to rub shoulders with Tyler, that's 💯% a choice. One of you needs to tell him that, I don't have a neogaf acct.

[knux-future]

yeah they did tell him that on the discord.  Dude is just full of salt at the moment lol.

[joeboy101]

So let’s go to the tape on this. Overall, a real titan battle between BC and TransEra. BC played the margins well by keeping out of the fray and showing consideration. Also, he worked with another user and one of the mods so that it would give some further credibility.

The turning point was his strategy of avoidance when TransEra came with the blitz. By being the OT author, he couldn’t avoid not commenting, and he stumbled when he did have to respond, compounding with the failed ‘💯’ maneuver. Like linebackers starved for four days, TransEra went after BC like he was made out of ham.

BC made a good goal line stand by making a contrite statement and taking a voluntary ban, but he tripped over his own Twitter missteps and didn’t not recognize how the mod refs would not rule objectively.

I have to say though, I’m puzzled but BDumbs and the other mods responses. They are dropping full throated apologies, and it’s going to go over with TransEra like blood to sharks.

[Chim Richalds]

Oh damn, Hobbes banned again.  Gonna go see how he's doing on that Avengers game subreddit he moderates.

[joeboy101]

Oh damn, Hobbes banned again.  Gonna go see how he's doing on that Avengers game subreddit he moderates.

Probably will be the first view that subreddit gets this month.

[Uncle]

So now we move on to the bit where Black Chamber was assembling a secret cabal of russian gamergate trump supporters to overthrow Era. Thank goodness they caught him in time.

I have to assume he doesn't know how intolerant the rest of NeoGaf is if he intends to be keep posting there though. I don't think anyone could be that apolticial.

Dude, he's just been run off Era for no good reason, having been the target of incessant bullying for days. I don't think GAF is going to seem particularly intolerant in comparison. Seems like he just wants to talk about a game, not dig through every off-topic thread for political opinions to get upset about.

against all logic and reason I subjected myself to scrolling through a few hundred posts of the neogaf cyberpunk ot and they're literally just hyping for the game, it's not some opposite world where they're excited about all the transphobia

I guess it's opposite world in the sense that they're actually able to talk about the game without the undercurrent of hostility and walking on eggshells

so if black chamber felt the need to participate in an old gaf style massive hype discussion thread,* that seems to be as intact as ever, just staying out of the politics forum


*

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]