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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #300 on: March 15, 2020, 06:52:38 PM »
lol dow futures hit limit down, stocks going up lol

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« Reply #301 on: March 15, 2020, 06:57:05 PM »
they went up the last time fed cut rates, can't blame me for guessing they would again :trumps I'm still right that the real level should be much lower regardless.
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« Reply #302 on: March 15, 2020, 06:58:40 PM »
shosta, kindly :camby

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« Reply #303 on: March 15, 2020, 07:01:27 PM »
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« Reply #305 on: March 15, 2020, 08:21:07 PM »
They should halt the market for 3 weeks so they can keep this 'ammo' for the recovery.

As james would put it, they just masturbated another 700 billion into a forest fire.
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« Reply #306 on: March 15, 2020, 08:35:04 PM »
They should halt the market for 3 weeks so they can keep this 'ammo' for the recovery.

As james would put it, they just masturbated another 700 billion into a forest fire.

That quote should be on a tshirt
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« Reply #307 on: March 16, 2020, 03:50:01 AM »
https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/fjb79b/thank_you_wsb_for_all_you_have_done_in_my_life/


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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #308 on: March 16, 2020, 04:43:26 AM »
james, would you advise to go anywhere near energy stocks right now?

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« Reply #309 on: March 16, 2020, 09:37:06 AM »
james, would you advise to go anywhere near energy stocks right now?

Be like Bernie don't support that

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« Reply #310 on: March 16, 2020, 09:52:46 AM »
down 2700 pts

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« Reply #311 on: March 16, 2020, 09:58:39 AM »
Market is going to go below what it was when Trump took office

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« Reply #312 on: March 16, 2020, 12:52:32 PM »
Blue Apron stock up 70% today

Come on guys, this is the type of easy money we should have been on.

Their stock was under $3 yesterday, so a super easy entry point.

GET ON THE FUCKING BALL SHOSTA


Edit: holy shit their stock cost $140 at one point  :doge :doge :doge
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« Reply #313 on: March 16, 2020, 03:45:08 PM »
Dow down -2683

Im old enough to remember when -1000 was big and scary

Im looking at a $2,066.46 profit on my spy put  :doge
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« Reply #314 on: March 16, 2020, 06:12:09 PM »
Stock market :neogaf
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« Reply #316 on: March 17, 2020, 08:08:48 AM »
I don't understand this shit at all so help me understand the actual process going on here

everyone going nuts saying "buy puts buy puts" but that's just one action, what's the full trade taking place here

do they not even necessarily own stock in the thing, they're just buying a put so they can sell it later

or do they own stock and are buying puts against it so they can sell it at that price later and that's when they make bank

what is the initial setup and then the timetable of what they're doing, is it literally spend $1000 on puts and then a couple hours later sell the puts for $3000 or w/e
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« Reply #317 on: March 17, 2020, 08:41:31 AM »
what is the initial setup and then the timetable of what they're doing, is it literally spend $1000 on puts and then a couple hours later sell the puts for $3000 or w/e

Yes.

This is what we in the business call printing tendies
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« Reply #318 on: March 17, 2020, 08:47:18 AM »
but selling puts gives someone else the right to force you to buy at that price

it's not like you made your money and the transaction is done

or is the implication that things went your way and they would have to be stupid to make you buy


edit: wait you're not selling the put, you're exercising the option of the put you bought to force some other schmuck to buy at that price?  from you?  so you do have to own the stonk first
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« Reply #319 on: March 17, 2020, 08:58:09 AM »
Sounds like one big scam to me.
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« Reply #320 on: March 17, 2020, 09:35:41 AM »
but selling puts gives someone else the right to force you to buy at that price

it's not like you made your money and the transaction is done

or is the implication that things went your way and they would have to be stupid to make you buy


edit: wait you're not selling the put, you're exercising the option of the put you bought to force some other schmuck to buy at that price?  from you?  so you do have to own the stonk first

Be like this guy who went from 800 to 120000

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/fjtneo/18_yo_800_to_115000_in_2_months/

And no most of this doesn't involve buying or selling the stock. The trick is to do everything before the strike date. Then it's someone else's problem.

I don't know what happens on strike date and I don't care to ask.
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« Reply #321 on: March 17, 2020, 10:26:43 AM »
Boeing (BA) down 20% today alone

Theyve gone from $391 a year ago to $105 right now.

I didnt want to touch them because as a military contractor, I feel theyre first in line for any bailout.
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« Reply #322 on: March 17, 2020, 10:29:53 AM »
Caesars Entertainment Corporation (CZR) down 30% just today

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« Reply #323 on: March 17, 2020, 10:58:04 AM »
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« Reply #324 on: March 17, 2020, 11:31:17 AM »
but selling puts gives someone else the right to force you to buy at that price

it's not like you made your money and the transaction is done

or is the implication that things went your way and they would have to be stupid to make you buy


edit: wait you're not selling the put, you're exercising the option of the put you bought to force some other schmuck to buy at that price?  from you?  so you do have to own the stonk first

Ok not on mobile anymore so I can give a better reply.

Selling (writing) a put does force you to buy the stock at expiration if you are holding it. This is a good strategy if you actually want to buy the stock.

IE, if the stock costs $15 today, and you think its a good price, but feel it might go lower, you sell (write) a put for $12. Immediately, you collect cash money (the premium). If the stock doesnt go down to 12, thats it, you dont buy the stock and nothing else happens. If it DOES fall to 12 or below, you do buy the stock (so make sure you have the cash to do so).

The big money has been on the other side - buying puts that other people are writing. You dont want the stock and youre betting the price will go down. If the stock keeps falling, you make money. If the stock goes up in price, you lose your bet.

The question right now is where the bottom is. When I started this thread, it was legit free money. There was no way to lose. As this drags on, we will eventually reach some kind of bottom. No one knows where that is though. So you can still make money buying puts, or you could be buying at the bottom and be fucked,
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« Reply #325 on: March 17, 2020, 11:44:15 AM »
I mean, it's essentially been free money for the past 10 years if you don't do day-to-day gambles and manage the odd poorly performing month.    :lol

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« Reply #326 on: March 17, 2020, 12:27:49 PM »
James, not to pry too much, but what was your principal and what's your net return right now? In dollar amounts.
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« Reply #327 on: March 17, 2020, 12:35:47 PM »
James, not to pry too much, but what was your principal and what's your net return right now? In dollar amounts.

I dont know how to generate those cool graphs people keep posting on WSB

My best ones are these, although its down from yesterday:

 $1,550.46  (554.65%)
 $1,548.46  (135.88%) 
 $1,279.46  (387.08%) 

My worst one is technically this one, which is the put I sold for CCL. Its not a real loss though because I wanted to buy the stock anyway, I just overpaid. Everyone loves cruising. I might buy more stock honestly, theyre at $12.93 which is an incredible deal. Ill wait another month though and maybe get in at $10. Same for Royal. Fuck Norwegian though, asshole CEO.

 -$948.56  (-587.56%) 


Had I been the proud owner of bigger balls, all my gains could have been 3x as much.

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« Reply #328 on: March 17, 2020, 12:47:04 PM »
The big money has been on the other side - buying puts that other people are writing

so what you're browsing a giant list of puts for sale and picking some

or are you just saying "I'll buy any puts for this price on this date" and the market is big enough that some mad lad out there is guaranteed to sell to you



And also there has to be a second step in there to actually make the money, yes you buy a put and the value of the put goes up, but how do you cash out without selling that put and therefore forcing yourself to buy those stocks?

or is the difference that you're not creating a new put to sell in this case, you're just passing it along to someone else?  that's sell to close as opposed to selling a put?
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« Reply #329 on: March 17, 2020, 12:59:46 PM »
The big money has been on the other side - buying puts that other people are writing

so what you're browsing a giant list of puts for sale and picking some

or are you just saying "I'll buy any puts for this price on this date" and the market is big enough that some mad lad out there is guaranteed to sell to you

Sort of. You pick a company you think will go down, you pick a future date and then you open whats called an option chain. It looks like this:



The right side is puts (left is calls)

So in this example, Facebook was currently at 111, and you think it will go down to 100, so you go to that row and see that it costs you 0.48 to buy those puts (x100, options are sold in 100s).

Further to the right you see the volume, which is how busy that specific transaction is. If theres no volume, its probably a really bad idea, or youre a genius for being first.

Now at this point, puts arent selling for cents...some puts are going for $10+ dollars (x100) because of the market volatility. So its harder to get in at low risk.

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And also there has to be a second step in there to actually make the money, yes you buy a put and the value of the put goes up, but how do you cash out without selling that put and therefore forcing yourself to buy those stocks?

or is the difference that you're not creating a new put to sell in this case, you're just passing it along to someone else?  that's sell to close as opposed to selling a put?

I am selling the puts I bought to other people. So im not creating new puts, I am just passing them along. Think of it like hot potato.

Something happens at expiration (strike date) and it seems complicated so I am selling before we get to that date so I dont have to worry about it. Potentially Im losing some profit but its not worth the hassle to figure it out honestly.

On the website, you get these options:

Puts:
Buy to open
Sell to close

This is where you buy existing puts and then when youre ready you hand them off to someone else.

Puts:
Sell to open
Buy to close

This is when you create a new put, which is giving you an obligation to buy stock at expiration. If you buy to close, you are passing the potato along.

Shosta, is this all correct?
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« Reply #330 on: March 17, 2020, 01:00:10 PM »
The big money has been on the other side - buying puts that other people are writing

so what you're browsing a giant list of puts for sale and picking some

or are you just saying "I'll buy any puts for this price on this date" and the market is big enough that some mad lad out there is guaranteed to sell to you



And also there has to be a second step in there to actually make the money, yes you buy a put and the value of the put goes up, but how do you cash out without selling that put and therefore forcing yourself to buy those stocks?

or is the difference that you're not creating a new put to sell in this case, you're just passing it along to someone else?  that's sell to close as opposed to selling a put?

Yep, that's exactly it: You buy puts at a 'strike', and are buying from a 'giant list', so-to-speak.  If those strikes are out-of-the-money, they're cheaper, but have a lower chance of expiring profitable, because every day they degrade in value:  It's more risky.  In-the-money strikes are the opposite: the expectations are lower, but the cost of the call/put is more.

You buy and sell the contract, not the underlying stock.    You're selling the contract to someone else, with the implication that you've made enough money prior to that handoff.  Option contracts degrade in value over time.  Someone who buys a contract off of you with 1 day left of time decay will hope to profit from a very short-term move.

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« Reply #331 on: March 17, 2020, 01:36:07 PM »
thank you guys so much for being helpful and informative, that makes sense  :brain

and these are probably all market orders for speed I assume

regular stonks is a lot easier to wrap your head around than options
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« Reply #332 on: March 17, 2020, 01:47:28 PM »
thank you guys so much for being helpful and informative, that makes sense  :brain

and these are probably all market orders for speed I assume

regular stonks is a lot easier to wrap your head around than options

It's one of those things that is a lot simpler when you get some hands-on experience.    The real complexity comes from understanding the pricing model, it's a partial differential equation called the Black–Scholes equation, that big-brained math guys have been using to take advantage of arbitrage opportunities.  IE: Nassim Taleb who autistically scoured the market for years finding specifically underpriced Out-of-the-money puts (when the conventional wisdom was that they were overpriced), and just hoarded them until Black Monday to make $40 million in a day.  Now the guy just starts fights on Twitter, which is pretty funny as well.   :lol

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« Reply #333 on: March 17, 2020, 02:04:02 PM »
Yeah I still dont get any of the greek words but it doesnt appear to matter
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« Reply #334 on: March 17, 2020, 03:03:40 PM »
James, do you think Boeing is a good buy?



Cons
  • Make planes that aren't capable of flight
  • With the collapse of air travel, no airline will be able to afford or will want to buy new planes
  • Point 2 actually make point 1 irrelevant when you think about it, so there are no cons

Pros
  • Lot of AMERICAN jobs
  • Make AIR FORCE 1 FUCK YEAH
  • Make fighter jets and choppers to SHOOT DOWN IRANIAN ATTACKERS

Take a look at this prediction - should be back to $400 once this corona shit blows over



Also
Trump wants to bailout boeing too, seems a nobrainer?


Maybe Boeing will code MCAS but for their share price? Guaranteed tendies?
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« Reply #335 on: March 17, 2020, 03:08:39 PM »
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« Reply #336 on: March 17, 2020, 03:14:06 PM »
James, do you think Boeing is a good buy?

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Cons
  • Make planes that aren't capable of flight
  • With the collapse of air travel, no airline will be able to afford or will want to buy new planes
  • Point 2 actually make point 1 irrelevant when you think about it, so there are no cons

Pros
  • Lot of AMERICAN jobs
  • Make AIR FORCE 1 FUCK YEAH
  • Make fighter jets and choppers to SHOOT DOWN IRANIAN ATTACKERS

Take a look at this prediction - should be back to $400 once this corona shit blows over

(Image removed from quote.)

Also
Trump wants to bailout boeing too, seems a nobrainer?


Maybe Boeing will code MCAS but for their share price? Guaranteed tendies?

I posted my analysis earlier today:

Boeing (BA) down 20% today alone

Theyve gone from $391 a year ago to $105 right now.

I didnt want to touch them because as a military contractor, I feel theyre first in line for any bailout.

So does that mean theyll go up?

The problem is, Trump and friends are so corrupt I could see them doing something like cratering Boeing so Jared can buy it, rename it Trump Air, and then shower that in bailout cash

So theres some risk.
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« Reply #337 on: March 17, 2020, 03:17:11 PM »
My bad for missing that, I am a moron

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« Reply #338 on: March 17, 2020, 03:26:52 PM »
My bad for missing that, I am a moron

I guess that also means I should buy leveraged puts on my CC

Take out a student loan and put it all on the market. When the gov forgives our loans its free money
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« Reply #339 on: March 17, 2020, 03:49:23 PM »
James, do you think Boeing is a good buy?

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Cons
  • Make planes that aren't capable of flight
  • With the collapse of air travel, no airline will be able to afford or will want to buy new planes
  • Point 2 actually make point 1 irrelevant when you think about it, so there are no cons

I mean your list alone makes it sound like a bad buy. :yeshrug

James' post about them being down also confirms it. I don't really see Boeing in the next quarter actually picking things up. Not with the virus, anyway.

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« Reply #340 on: March 17, 2020, 05:24:23 PM »
Bayer cratered at 47 Euro Dollars. Shouldn’t have been so biasé about them when I bought at 80.  :doge

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« Reply #341 on: March 18, 2020, 06:20:00 AM »
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« Reply #342 on: March 18, 2020, 07:53:09 AM »
so james is actually part of hillarys network with his highly suspicious trades?

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« Reply #343 on: March 18, 2020, 08:14:21 AM »
plz continue education

why do people buy several puts like this, what is the later strategy in getting money out of them

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« Reply #344 on: March 18, 2020, 08:22:28 AM »
plz continue education

why do people buy several puts like this, what is the later strategy in getting money out of them

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Likely, they can't get a fill order for 600 on one strike: it's a $700,000+ trade. I dunno.  I'd have to check the amount of open interest and volume.   There's nothing strategic about it outside of that context. 
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« Reply #345 on: March 18, 2020, 08:29:28 AM »
also james is all about the squid kids and doesn't even have an opinion on NTDOY :confused

like someone else said they about to sell 50 million animal crossings to shut ins globally
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« Reply #346 on: March 18, 2020, 08:31:13 AM »

I don't even think Nintendo's stock trades as options, at least not on any US or European exchange

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« Reply #347 on: March 18, 2020, 08:36:46 AM »
 :neogaf

they're not risky enough to fuck with
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« Reply #348 on: March 18, 2020, 09:28:52 AM »
Yeah foreign companies are risky and Nintendo stock has too many emotional buyers and sellers
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« Reply #349 on: March 18, 2020, 10:25:09 AM »
This guy has $450k on the line, with options expiring Friday

He bet SPY goes under 240. Its at 242 right now

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/fkc6i4/all_in_full_autism_this_is_what_the_people_come/

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« Reply #350 on: March 18, 2020, 10:46:40 AM »
This guy has $450k on the line, with options expiring Friday

He bet SPY goes under 240. Its at 242 right now

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/fkc6i4/all_in_full_autism_this_is_what_the_people_come/

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« Reply #351 on: March 18, 2020, 11:26:20 AM »
Canadian oil at $10 a barrel.  :cancry

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« Reply #352 on: March 18, 2020, 12:26:16 PM »
Bayer cratered at 47 Euro Dollars. Shouldn’t have been so biasé about them when I bought at 80.  :doge

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« Reply #353 on: March 18, 2020, 01:08:10 PM »
This guy has $450k on the line, with options expiring Friday

He bet SPY goes under 240. Its at 242 right now

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/fkc6i4/all_in_full_autism_this_is_what_the_people_come/

Did it hit? Apparently the market is frozen right now.

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« Reply #354 on: March 18, 2020, 01:16:40 PM »
This guy has $450k on the line, with options expiring Friday

He bet SPY goes under 240. Its at 242 right now

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/fkc6i4/all_in_full_autism_this_is_what_the_people_come/

Did it hit? Apparently the market is frozen right now.

Well, spy is at 234 right now so the mad man is now a very very rich boi
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james

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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #355 on: March 18, 2020, 01:21:46 PM »
Blue Apron stock up 70% today

Come on guys, this is the type of easy money we should have been on.

Their stock was under $3 yesterday, so a super easy entry point.

GET ON THE FUCKING BALL SHOSTA


Edit: holy shit their stock cost $140 at one point  :doge :doge :doge

I bought 100 of these bad boys yesterday and Im up 307.67%

 :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge
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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #356 on: March 18, 2020, 01:22:57 PM »
My disney puts:

921.32%

 :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge
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Uncle

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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #357 on: March 18, 2020, 02:00:55 PM »
My disney puts:

921.32%

 :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge

strike and exp?
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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #358 on: March 18, 2020, 02:19:19 PM »
After this, me, James and the German are millionaires.

Then afterwards we sell the movie script and book rights and become billionaires  :success

Me, James and the German is the book title btw.
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Dickie Dee

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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #359 on: March 18, 2020, 02:30:32 PM »
Canadian oil at $10 a barrel.  :cancry

Good thing Alberta just passed an austerity budget based on $60/bbl  :birb
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