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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #300 on: March 17, 2020, 01:00:10 PM »
The big money has been on the other side - buying puts that other people are writing

so what you're browsing a giant list of puts for sale and picking some

or are you just saying "I'll buy any puts for this price on this date" and the market is big enough that some mad lad out there is guaranteed to sell to you



And also there has to be a second step in there to actually make the money, yes you buy a put and the value of the put goes up, but how do you cash out without selling that put and therefore forcing yourself to buy those stocks?

or is the difference that you're not creating a new put to sell in this case, you're just passing it along to someone else?  that's sell to close as opposed to selling a put?

Yep, that's exactly it: You buy puts at a 'strike', and are buying from a 'giant list', so-to-speak.  If those strikes are out-of-the-money, they're cheaper, but have a lower chance of expiring profitable, because every day they degrade in value:  It's more risky.  In-the-money strikes are the opposite: the expectations are lower, but the cost of the call/put is more.

You buy and sell the contract, not the underlying stock.    You're selling the contract to someone else, with the implication that you've made enough money prior to that handoff.  Option contracts degrade in value over time.  Someone who buys a contract off of you with 1 day left of time decay will hope to profit from a very short-term move.

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« Reply #301 on: March 17, 2020, 01:36:07 PM »
thank you guys so much for being helpful and informative, that makes sense  :brain

and these are probably all market orders for speed I assume

regular stonks is a lot easier to wrap your head around than options
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« Reply #302 on: March 17, 2020, 01:47:28 PM »
thank you guys so much for being helpful and informative, that makes sense  :brain

and these are probably all market orders for speed I assume

regular stonks is a lot easier to wrap your head around than options

It's one of those things that is a lot simpler when you get some hands-on experience.    The real complexity comes from understanding the pricing model, it's a partial differential equation called the Black–Scholes equation, that big-brained math guys have been using to take advantage of arbitrage opportunities.  IE: Nassim Taleb who autistically scoured the market for years finding specifically underpriced Out-of-the-money puts (when the conventional wisdom was that they were overpriced), and just hoarded them until Black Monday to make $40 million in a day.  Now the guy just starts fights on Twitter, which is pretty funny as well.   :lol

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« Reply #303 on: March 17, 2020, 02:04:02 PM »
Yeah I still dont get any of the greek words but it doesnt appear to matter
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« Reply #304 on: March 17, 2020, 03:03:40 PM »
James, do you think Boeing is a good buy?



Cons
  • Make planes that aren't capable of flight
  • With the collapse of air travel, no airline will be able to afford or will want to buy new planes
  • Point 2 actually make point 1 irrelevant when you think about it, so there are no cons

Pros
  • Lot of AMERICAN jobs
  • Make AIR FORCE 1 FUCK YEAH
  • Make fighter jets and choppers to SHOOT DOWN IRANIAN ATTACKERS

Take a look at this prediction - should be back to $400 once this corona shit blows over



Also
Trump wants to bailout boeing too, seems a nobrainer?


Maybe Boeing will code MCAS but for their share price? Guaranteed tendies?
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« Reply #305 on: March 17, 2020, 03:08:39 PM »
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« Reply #306 on: March 17, 2020, 03:14:06 PM »
James, do you think Boeing is a good buy?

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Cons
  • Make planes that aren't capable of flight
  • With the collapse of air travel, no airline will be able to afford or will want to buy new planes
  • Point 2 actually make point 1 irrelevant when you think about it, so there are no cons

Pros
  • Lot of AMERICAN jobs
  • Make AIR FORCE 1 FUCK YEAH
  • Make fighter jets and choppers to SHOOT DOWN IRANIAN ATTACKERS

Take a look at this prediction - should be back to $400 once this corona shit blows over

(Image removed from quote.)

Also
Trump wants to bailout boeing too, seems a nobrainer?


Maybe Boeing will code MCAS but for their share price? Guaranteed tendies?

I posted my analysis earlier today:

Boeing (BA) down 20% today alone

Theyve gone from $391 a year ago to $105 right now.

I didnt want to touch them because as a military contractor, I feel theyre first in line for any bailout.

So does that mean theyll go up?

The problem is, Trump and friends are so corrupt I could see them doing something like cratering Boeing so Jared can buy it, rename it Trump Air, and then shower that in bailout cash

So theres some risk.
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« Reply #307 on: March 17, 2020, 03:17:11 PM »
My bad for missing that, I am a moron

I guess that also means I should buy leveraged puts on my CC
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« Reply #308 on: March 17, 2020, 03:26:52 PM »
My bad for missing that, I am a moron

I guess that also means I should buy leveraged puts on my CC

Take out a student loan and put it all on the market. When the gov forgives our loans its free money
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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #309 on: March 17, 2020, 03:49:23 PM »
James, do you think Boeing is a good buy?

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Cons
  • Make planes that aren't capable of flight
  • With the collapse of air travel, no airline will be able to afford or will want to buy new planes
  • Point 2 actually make point 1 irrelevant when you think about it, so there are no cons

I mean your list alone makes it sound like a bad buy. :yeshrug

James' post about them being down also confirms it. I don't really see Boeing in the next quarter actually picking things up. Not with the virus, anyway.

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« Reply #310 on: March 17, 2020, 05:24:23 PM »
Bayer cratered at 47 Euro Dollars. Shouldn’t have been so biasé about them when I bought at 80.  :doge

Please invent some corona medication, please invent some  corona medication.... :existential
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« Reply #311 on: March 18, 2020, 06:20:00 AM »
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« Reply #312 on: March 18, 2020, 07:53:09 AM »
so james is actually part of hillarys network with his highly suspicious trades?

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« Reply #313 on: March 18, 2020, 08:14:21 AM »
plz continue education

why do people buy several puts like this, what is the later strategy in getting money out of them

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« Reply #314 on: March 18, 2020, 08:22:28 AM »
plz continue education

why do people buy several puts like this, what is the later strategy in getting money out of them

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Likely, they can't get a fill order for 600 on one strike: it's a $700,000+ trade. I dunno.  I'd have to check the amount of open interest and volume.   There's nothing strategic about it outside of that context. 
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« Reply #315 on: March 18, 2020, 08:29:28 AM »
also james is all about the squid kids and doesn't even have an opinion on NTDOY :confused

like someone else said they about to sell 50 million animal crossings to shut ins globally
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« Reply #316 on: March 18, 2020, 08:31:13 AM »

I don't even think Nintendo's stock trades as options, at least not on any US or European exchange

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« Reply #317 on: March 18, 2020, 08:36:46 AM »
 :neogaf

they're not risky enough to fuck with
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« Reply #318 on: March 18, 2020, 09:28:52 AM »
Yeah foreign companies are risky and Nintendo stock has too many emotional buyers and sellers
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« Reply #319 on: March 18, 2020, 10:25:09 AM »
This guy has $450k on the line, with options expiring Friday

He bet SPY goes under 240. Its at 242 right now

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/fkc6i4/all_in_full_autism_this_is_what_the_people_come/

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« Reply #320 on: March 18, 2020, 10:46:40 AM »
This guy has $450k on the line, with options expiring Friday

He bet SPY goes under 240. Its at 242 right now

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/fkc6i4/all_in_full_autism_this_is_what_the_people_come/

These people are animals

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« Reply #321 on: March 18, 2020, 11:26:20 AM »
Canadian oil at $10 a barrel.  :cancry

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« Reply #322 on: March 18, 2020, 12:26:16 PM »
Bayer cratered at 47 Euro Dollars. Shouldn’t have been so biasé about them when I bought at 80.  :doge

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« Reply #323 on: March 18, 2020, 01:08:10 PM »
This guy has $450k on the line, with options expiring Friday

He bet SPY goes under 240. Its at 242 right now

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/fkc6i4/all_in_full_autism_this_is_what_the_people_come/

Did it hit? Apparently the market is frozen right now.

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« Reply #324 on: March 18, 2020, 01:16:40 PM »
This guy has $450k on the line, with options expiring Friday

He bet SPY goes under 240. Its at 242 right now

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/fkc6i4/all_in_full_autism_this_is_what_the_people_come/

Did it hit? Apparently the market is frozen right now.

Well, spy is at 234 right now so the mad man is now a very very rich boi
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« Reply #325 on: March 18, 2020, 01:21:46 PM »
Blue Apron stock up 70% today

Come on guys, this is the type of easy money we should have been on.

Their stock was under $3 yesterday, so a super easy entry point.

GET ON THE FUCKING BALL SHOSTA


Edit: holy shit their stock cost $140 at one point  :doge :doge :doge

I bought 100 of these bad boys yesterday and Im up 307.67%

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« Reply #326 on: March 18, 2020, 01:22:57 PM »
My disney puts:

921.32%

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« Reply #327 on: March 18, 2020, 02:00:55 PM »
My disney puts:

921.32%

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strike and exp?
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« Reply #328 on: March 18, 2020, 02:19:19 PM »
After this, me, James and the German are millionaires.

Then afterwards we sell the movie script and book rights and become billionaires  :success

Me, James and the German is the book title btw.
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« Reply #329 on: March 18, 2020, 02:30:32 PM »
Canadian oil at $10 a barrel.  :cancry

Good thing Alberta just passed an austerity budget based on $60/bbl  :birb
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« Reply #330 on: March 18, 2020, 02:57:42 PM »
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« Reply #332 on: March 18, 2020, 05:18:49 PM »
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« Reply #333 on: March 18, 2020, 05:28:20 PM »
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« Reply #334 on: March 18, 2020, 05:46:42 PM »
Yeah foreign companies are risky and Nintendo stock has too many emotional buyers and sellers

I don't feel like a real Nintendie would ever sell Nintendo stock

Thats the thing. Nintendo fans keep buying. The Nintendo-is-doomed folks keep selling. Whole market is out of whack
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« Reply #335 on: March 18, 2020, 06:24:32 PM »
Once again my best performer is still UA (Under Armor) now up 1358.55%

Stonks.
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« Reply #336 on: March 18, 2020, 06:52:55 PM »
Someone on wsb made $500,000 and now I am sad :(
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« Reply #337 on: March 19, 2020, 12:52:19 AM »
https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1240417047860764672

TFW Corporations get to gamble free of consequence because they secure decades-long contracts w/ the government, and I have to play the market like a shit-eating nerd.

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« Reply #338 on: March 19, 2020, 02:07:35 AM »
Im buying crypto aawww yeah

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« Reply #339 on: March 19, 2020, 07:25:54 AM »
The stock markets aren’t acting rational, so let’s buy crypto where the market has never acted rational to begin with  :brain

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« Reply #340 on: March 19, 2020, 07:30:05 AM »
Someone on wsb made $500,000 and now I am sad :(

Stop jacking off to underage Squids, and you too could be autistic enough to make tendies. :doge

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« Reply #341 on: March 19, 2020, 09:52:07 AM »
ECB just wasted 750 billion Euros, should have invested in the james fund instead :karen

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« Reply #342 on: March 19, 2020, 10:06:38 AM »
edit: meh
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« Reply #343 on: March 19, 2020, 10:34:09 AM »
Ive gotten more PMs since I opened the JAMES FUND than in the previous 8 years of having an account here

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« Reply #344 on: March 19, 2020, 11:05:55 AM »
i guess people are more into money than they are into underage squidgirls  :doge

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« Reply #345 on: March 19, 2020, 11:08:25 AM »
Can't have one without the other.

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« Reply #346 on: March 19, 2020, 11:09:42 AM »
Can't have one without the other.

that might very well be true, looking at my own dumpster fire of a portfolio  :(

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« Reply #347 on: March 19, 2020, 11:11:54 AM »
JCPenny stock is the saddest thing Ive seen this week :(

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/JCP/options?p=JCP

How do you even make money if the lowest price put, 50 cents, is higher than their current stock?
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« Reply #348 on: March 19, 2020, 11:14:08 AM »
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« Reply #349 on: March 19, 2020, 11:24:05 AM »
According to wsb, you can buy puts on India, and India is probably fucked, so I went ahead and did that
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« Reply #350 on: March 19, 2020, 11:31:03 AM »
 :drudge :drudge :drudge

Serious help needed.

I have a theory that no one will be going into the pool this summer. Ergo, the pool business will be in a bad place.

Enter Pool Corporation
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/POOL?p=POOL&.tsrc=fin-srch

They havent gone down much, which means theres room to fall.

The thing is, there zero (0) volume on their options. That means I could be a first mover, but it also means I could be missing something.

Thoughts?
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« Reply #351 on: March 19, 2020, 12:00:31 PM »
:drudge :drudge :drudge

Serious help needed.

I have a theory that no one will be going into the pool this summer. Ergo, the pool business will be in a bad place.

Enter Pool Corporation
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/POOL?p=POOL&.tsrc=fin-srch

They havent gone down much, which means theres room to fall.

The thing is, there zero (0) volume on their options. That means I could be a first mover, but it also means I could be missing something.

Thoughts?

Watch that actually be a company offering tools for office sports pools and James still makes bank as all the leagues stay closed
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« Reply #352 on: March 19, 2020, 12:33:11 PM »
everyone staying indoors hitting 8 ball in the corner pocket and it skyrockets
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« Reply #353 on: March 19, 2020, 02:17:44 PM »
Stonks 101

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« Reply #354 on: March 19, 2020, 03:42:32 PM »
So Im going to pass on the POOL company because Im scared.

But heres my YOLO of the day. Im literally the only one trading this bad boy  :doge

Yes, the bid-ask spread was painful but....yolo?



Hopefully Ill find a sucker on the other side next month...
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« Reply #355 on: March 19, 2020, 10:42:53 PM »
ok so tomorrow is apparently a super special fancy day I think they call it the witcher 3 day or something

every definition I can find of it just says it's when "stock index futures, stock index options and stock options all expire on the same day" and doesn't elaborate beyond that

so like uh

every put and call option that everyone owns expires tomorrow?  what the fuck
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« Reply #356 on: March 19, 2020, 11:42:16 PM »
ok so tomorrow is apparently a super special fancy day I think they call it the witcher 3 day or something

every definition I can find of it just says it's when "stock index futures, stock index options and stock options all expire on the same day" and doesn't elaborate beyond that

so like uh

every put and call option that everyone owns expires tomorrow?  what the fuck

Sort of.

Remember the strike date? Almost all the March ones expire tomorrow. So it's a big day. Every month, on the 3rd Friday, this is the case. In the image above your post, you can see the date is April 17 and July 17.

Now apparently you can also buy options that expire on other fridays, but I was told to avoid those. I guess the volume is too low or something, but theyre bad news.
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« Reply #357 on: March 20, 2020, 12:00:26 AM »
I think the general logic is that since a lot of people bought futures contracts with the expectation of a downturn, there may be a pump up in price to lower the payout on those contracts. So we'll see, if that happens then I expect a big drop on Wednesday once the market stops sucking its belly in.

And AKSHUALLY, it's called a quadruple witching day. :brain

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« Reply #358 on: March 20, 2020, 12:13:49 AM »
ok so tomorrow is apparently a super special fancy day I think they call it the witcher 3 day or something

every definition I can find of it just says it's when "stock index futures, stock index options and stock options all expire on the same day" and doesn't elaborate beyond that

so like uh

every put and call option that everyone owns expires tomorrow?  what the fuck

Sort of.

Remember the strike date? Almost all the March ones expire tomorrow. So it's a big day. Every month, on the 3rd Friday, this is the case. In the image above your post, you can see the date is April 17 and July 17.

Now apparently you can also buy options that expire on other fridays, but I was told to avoid those. I guess the volume is too low or something, but theyre bad news.

oh it's the options that most of the public already specifically selected to expire on that day

every resource bluntly says "it's the day when options expire" which could easily imply "all currently open options regardless of strike date"

goddamn terminology needs to be more specific
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« Reply #359 on: March 20, 2020, 01:40:52 PM »
Blue Apron stock up 70% today

Come on guys, this is the type of easy money we should have been on.

Their stock was under $3 yesterday, so a super easy entry point.

GET ON THE FUCKING BALL SHOSTA


Edit: holy shit their stock cost $140 at one point  :doge :doge :doge

You fuckers dont listen.

When I posted this, Blue Apron cost $3.

Yesterday it reached $26!

Now its down to $11, which is still 3x what I paid.

And this is your basic stock folks, no messing with options

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/APRN?p=APRN&.tsrc=fin-srch
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