Playstation 5

[Nintex]

No way they have Hellblade 2 for launch.
I don't even think it's a 2021 title.

The game just swiutched engine to UE5, which isn't even coming out till end of 2021, now ofc. thay have preferential treatment, but if they're still that early as to be able to switch around engine, there's no way they're out by the holidays.

Forza Motorsport and Halo Inf. are the only big titles i think are plausible for launch (and Forza is still a niche product).
And tbh, 343 still has to demonstrate the ability to do a decent Halo experience, not a sure fire hit at all.
By comparison Guerrilla, Naughty Dog, Insomniac, are much better established studios.

MS Flight Sim looks amazing, but it's also super niche.

Thing is, even in the nostalgia department, they don't all that much.

If they cultivate these studios well, i think we'll see the benefits by halfway through the gen.

Ah I missed the UE5 for Hellblade 2. That won't ship until 2021 then.

[Don Rumata]

After reading a lot of stuff about the PS5 load times and their new UI that loads in milliseconds. Am I the only weirdo who isn't bothered by load times and the current UI's response time all that much? Sure, it would be nice to have everything instantly, but it's not as big a deal to me, especially compared to people who say it's a game changer. 

https://twitter.com/ThePrimaryGamer/status/1271656533957332993

But her SSDs...

[naff]

After reading a lot of stuff about the PS5 load times and their new UI that loads in milliseconds. Am I the only weirdo who isn't bothered by load times and the current UI's response time all that much? Sure, it would be nice to have everything instantly, but it's not as big a deal to me, especially compared to people who say it's a game changer. 

it's more that it will allow higher definition texture streaming, devs won't need to be as creative with load time workarounds and everything will just be more responsive. it's not a minor effect, if you've used a pc with an ssd vs. without you must surely get it.

[naff]

try replaying HL2, even with an SSD, and lmk afterward how much you think load times dont matter.

[mormapope]

The most next gen thing possible would be something like Elder Scrolls with no load times, not short or instant load times, straight up you walk into every building and dungeon with no interruptions.

If that's achievable next gen, I'd be impressed beyond belief. It's not about doing an old process at lightning speed, it's about new processes made possible with the technology.

[naff]

that's clearly achievable. whether devs will put in the effort to do that will be done on a game by game basis.

This thing isn't even pushing a brand-new physical media format

  eh whatchu talking about?

[BisMarckie]

it's not a minor effect, if you've used a pc with an ssd vs. without you must surely get it.

I have a SSD in my PC, have had one for like over 5 years. I still put games on my HDD because I just don't care that much

[naff]

like, if asset complexity (read: size on disk) is increased relative to the increase in ssd streaming speeds then they'll be in a similar/the same place they were last gen. it will continue to be a balancing act. ssd's aren't magic. goddamn console technology hyperbole is cringe

[headwalk]

i love the idea that every cost analysis metric tells them $599 is the magic price, but every time they run it upstairs they get met with "no, no we don't want to hear that number. come back with another one"

[naff]

it's not a minor effect, if you've used a pc with an ssd vs. without you must surely get it.

I have a SSD in my PC, have had one for like over 5 years. I still put games on my HDD because I just don't care that much

unless you're using high def texture packs or the game is specifically optimised for it most games will load pretty fast/at a similar speed off an ssd relative to an old platter drive after initial boot. having the tech included as a standard part of every sku between both manufacturers will significantly ease the io bottleneck on consoles though. idk how exactly devs will take advantage of it with "game changing" features, mostly it will be quality of life stuff like less/zero load times and higher quality textures 

[naff]

what i was getting at before with the HL2 quip (and it's the same with many old games) even with an ssd, the load times are copious and shite (but marginally better with an ssd vs without). the big gains come when hardware is standard as the target for everything. with m$ and sony standardising with nearly like for like hardware we (incl. pc only ppl) will be rewarded with lots of great games over the coming decade. thank fucking jebus console manufacturers have stopped being stupid fucks and everyone's just using the same hardware now (except nintendo of course, but switch is pretty sweet and the difference p justifiable)

[Don Rumata]

As long as PC ports of multiplatforms, have an SSD storage as a minimum requirement.

[Ghoul]

My mind literally melts when I think of a PC gamer not using an SSD. But I know there are probably some weirdos that probably only have HDD’s in. And if so, fuck em let them spend $100 on an SSD. I think The pricing on the PS5 is gonna be high because I’ve never seen a company hold onto a price for this long before when releasing a console. I will imagine that Xbox will release the price at the July event, so hopefully we’ll know how much the PS5 is by end of august. Which is absolutely crazy, considering it’ll be out three month-ish later. Will also be interesting to see who will release first. Most likely Sony again but who knows. Also if Halo is a launch title then it has to be finished within five months... Which considering they’re all working from home unless it’s just bug fixes etc I don’t see that happening, but we’ll see in July I guess...

[benjipwns]

Anyhow, another reason why I think these boys will be expensive is their size:
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Both PS5 and Xbox Series X are quite large compared to earlier consoles hinting at not only expensive hardware but also expensive cooling solutions.

We know what the Series X cooling solution is, Microsoft even let DF take the thing apart.

[Nintex]

SSD's are only part of what causes consoles to load.
Disk I/O and of course filling up the memory with all those gorgeous 4K textures takes time as well.

Loading times will be shorter, like they are on PC. And honestly that's a nice improvement but they won't disappear altogether unless it's some small indie game that fits into the entire memory.

[Rufus]

The PS5's SSD has a throughput of 5.5GB/s raw, 8 to 9GB/s with compression.
The XSX' SSD can do 2.4GB/s raw, 4.8GB/s with compression.

Both have 16GB of GDDR6, i.e. they can fill their RAM in 2-4 seconds.

If you see load screens or transition animations that are longer than this (or any streaming hitches whatsoever), someone fucked up.

[Mr Gilhaney]

you could see the streaming hitches in the ratchet demo when it changed from world to world. but hey, showed that it was actually real. 

[Rufus]

Yeah, that was unfortunate. I wonder what the bottleneck is.

[bork]

i cant get over how ugly this thing is

its just... ugly

its so fucking uglyyyyyyyy AAAAAAAH

The Colonel showing 'em how it's done.
https://twitter.com/kfcgaming/status/1271487675929890816

[Tasty]

Anyhow, another reason why I think these boys will be expensive is their size:
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Both PS5 and Xbox Series X are quite large compared to earlier consoles hinting at not only expensive hardware but also expensive cooling solutions.
They're basically just PC's now.

You forgot one.

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Stadia

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[Tasty]

that's clearly achievable. whether devs will put in the effort to do that will be done on a game by game basis.

This thing isn't even pushing a brand-new physical media format

  eh whatchu talking about?

Like the PS3 was. PS3 including one of the first Blu-ray (movie) drives IMO offered way more value at launch, even at $600, than the PS5 does. Cheap 4K Blu-ray players abound, and Blu-ray isn't a brand-new format anymore. The value proposition is way less.

[Svejk]

Apparently Astro's Playroom comes pre-installed on all PS5's. 

[Svejk]

The top 100 most played games according to this site....

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS4/comments/acpu37/ourps4life_100_most_popular_ps4_games_ranked_by/

Man... Gamers suck.
 

[MMaRsu]

You mean casuals

Most if not all on that list is casual trash

[Pissy F Benny]

I played all of those feefers and NBA’s

[Cerveza mas fina]

that's clearly achievable. whether devs will put in the effort to do that will be done on a game by game basis.

This thing isn't even pushing a brand-new physical media format

  eh whatchu talking about?

Like the PS3 was. PS3 including one of the first Blu-ray (movie) drives IMO offered way more value at launch, even at $600, than the PS5 does. Cheap 4K Blu-ray players abound, and Blu-ray isn't a brand-new format anymore. The value proposition is way less.

And the PS2 pushed dvd

[Cerveza mas fina]

The top 100 most played games according to this site....

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS4/comments/acpu37/ourps4life_100_most_popular_ps4_games_ranked_by/

Man... Gamers suck.
 

Wow whst a drop for Fifa 19 compared to 16/17/18

Ouch!

Edit: ok numbers are for mid november 2018 so just after fifa 2019 launch, im sure these numbers surge after xmas

[Svejk]

I was expecting certain titles like Sekiro, Dark Souls 3, Yakuza 0 or even Def Stranding.. 
Just hope the PS5 BC isn't basically a FIFA/Dooty machine based off those stats. 

I just want to play a Soulsborne game I already paid for on a PS system that doesn't run like doodoo.   

[MMaRsu]

[MMaRsu]

I don't see a single gay furry high schooler interactive book.

Casual morans!

Yup cause thats what casuals play 

[Cerveza mas fina]

I was expecting certain titles like Sekiro, Dark Souls 3, Yakuza 0 or even Def Stranding.. 
Just hope the PS5 BC is basically a FIFA/Dooty machine based off those stats. 

I just want to play a Soulsborne game I already paid for on a PS system that doesn't run like doodoo.   

FIFA is what makes Sony nr 1 since the 90s

Champions League is sponsored by Playstation since 97

Every football fan knows where to play it

[Nintex]

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sshh don't tell Microsoft 

[MMaRsu]

I don't see a single gay furry high schooler interactive book.

Casual morans!

Yup cause thats what casuals play 

Not what I was saying; words R hard for you.

Having to decipher your meaning is quite hard indeed.

[Pissy F Benny]

 

[Joe Molotov]

Apparently Astro's Playroom comes pre-installed on all PS5's. 

Truly the U2's Songs of Innocence of video games.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Now geometry wars 

[Raist]

Anyhow, another reason why I think these boys will be expensive is their size:
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It's hilarious to see people spending so much time trying to decipher dimensions with the "super accurate" USB port and disk tray comparisons.

Those are way off. The Xbone is slightly larger than the PS3, for instance. But according to that pic it's significantly smaller.

Same thing with the early pics comparing the PS5 and XxXbOxXx Series XxX. According to those, the DS5 (Dualsense, whatevs) was gigantic compared to the Xbox controller

[Nintex]

It doesn't look like the S, but it doesn't look like the final Xbox One unit either.
In some renders it looks thinner than it actually was.

[Raist]

Anyhow, another reason why I think these boys will be expensive is their size:
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It's hilarious to see people spending so much time trying to decipher dimensions with the "super accurate" USB port and disk tray comparisons.

Those are way off. The Xbone is slightly larger than the PS3, for instance. But according to that pic it's significantly smaller.

Same thing with the early pics comparing the PS5 and XxXbOxXx Series XxX. According to those, the DS5 (Dualsense, whatevs) was gigantic compared to the Xbox controller

I think they are just using the Xbox One S instead of the OG.

Which still wouldn't make sense since the One S and One X have pretty much the exact same width, so in that pic they should be just as tall.

[Nintex]

It's the original Xbox One, without the slanted bottom. Which makes it look more aesthetically pleasing than the thicc boi originally was

Still, PS5 and Xbox Series X don't differ much in terms of volume. One is tall and slim, the other blocky and thicc.

[Raist]

I said One S and One X you muppet.


edit: and stop using distinguished mentally-challenged fellow units.

[Nintex]

They used all sorts of visual trickery to make it look less thicc like displaying it at an angle.



Or give it an all dark background so you couldn't see the bottom

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But then you got it

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[close]

This is the bullshot render used for the comparison it seems.

[Raist]

I remember the reveal, people were like "shit that looks big". Then websites etc got their units, and were like "so huh yeah... it's bigger than the Phat 3".



Then teardowns were published and the thing was 50% empty space

[Pissy F Benny]

They made it massive so it would cool better and they wouldn’t have another red ring fiasco on their hands iirc.

[bork]

I was expecting certain titles like Sekiro, Dark Souls 3, Yakuza 0 or even Def Stranding.. 

Hey...you got a PC- all of those are on there.  And run better than the PS4 versions. 

This is your time to make the switch

[Tuckers Law]

The most next gen thing possible would be something like Elder Scrolls with no load times, not short or instant load times, straight up you walk into every building and dungeon with no interruptions.

If that's achievable next gen, I'd be impressed beyond belief. It's not about doing an old process at lightning speed, it's about new processes made possible with the technology.

I’ve been wanting this for something like Zelda for ages.

[Nintex]

I was expecting certain titles like Sekiro, Dark Souls 3, Yakuza 0 or even Def Stranding.. 

Hey...you got a PC- all of those are on there.  And run better than the PS4 versions. 

This is your time to make the switch

Time to join the kings

[MMaRsu]

I was expecting certain titles like Sekiro, Dark Souls 3, Yakuza 0 or even Def Stranding.. 

Hey...you got a PC- all of those are on there.  And run better than the PS4 versions. 

This is your time to make the switch

For real

[Nintex]

Even Microsoft and Sony just gave up and built PC's 

[Raist]

This still cracks me up




You can almost hear the iFixit guy going "... what?"


The 360 was a thing of beauty too. It's like it was slapped together with whatever they could find in a random warehouse.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Now wonder the towel trick worked

[Nintex]

Not every console can be perfectly designed



And all you could hear was the prrrr of the disk drive 

 

[Svejk]

I was expecting certain titles like Sekiro, Dark Souls 3, Yakuza 0 or even Def Stranding.. 

Hey...you got a PC- all of those are on there.  And run better than the PS4 versions. 

This is your time to make the switch

Spend over $1000 to reach "next-gen" levels only to buy those games all over again.     With children invested in my PS library now, I might be in a hole I can't dig myself out of...
My work PC has a decent card, but it's still putting along with an i3.    Upgrading that alone will be at least $200ish..


Unless I win some sort of lotto. 

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1272611309641760769

[Don Rumata]

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1272611309641760769

I gotta make a financial plan if i want to order take out, instead of eating frozen broccoli.
To get a PS5, i'll have to organize meetings with the bank. 

[Let's Cyber]

God fucking damn that's a rough lookin' 36

[paprikastaude]

Apparently Astro's Playroom comes pre-installed on all PS5's. 

3D platformer comeback finally reality next gen

[Joe Molotov]

God fucking damn that's a rough lookin' 36

At least tell me I'm brave for posting this picture of myself.

[Tasty]

God fucking damn that's a rough lookin' 36

Most Sony fans

[headwalk]

what % of load times is shuffling raw data from the HDD into the RAM? surely there's a bunch more processes needed to be done if you're loading an entirely new environment that are going to ruin the "no load times ever" dream?